| [00:00] <TheSheep> I usually share files via a server | |
| [00:00] <khan12234232> question, why is thunar copying instead of moving when i drag and drop (yes i know shift changes this) | |
| [00:00] <TheSheep> khan12234232: because you drag between different partitions | |
| [00:01] <TheSheep> or different disks | |
| [00:01] <khan12234232> no, from home folder (same partition) and desktop, again same partition | |
| [00:01] <TheSheep> shouldn't do that :/ | |
| [00:02] <aLeSD> maybe I have the solution | |
| [00:02] <aLeSD> I can't mount the folder cause it's an extern device | |
| [00:02] <khan12234232> ?? | |
| [00:02] <aLeSD> an usb - hd | |
| [00:03] <TheSheep> I really don't know, I wonder if there is a #samba channel | |
| [00:03] <aLeSD> sorry | |
| [00:03] <aLeSD> I was thinking to be in samba client | |
| [00:03] <aLeSD> lol | |
| [00:04] <TheSheep> no, I'm just saying that here doesn't appear to be anyone knowledgable, so maybe there is someone on #samba or even ##windows | |
| [00:04] <TheSheep> or #ubuntu | |
| [00:14] <khan2352453> how do i browse network shares (and mount them) in xubuntu | |
| [01:05] <self> http://tinyurl.com/249rjg | |
| [05:07] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to fix the bug where you have to disable/enable the ubuntu addon for ff3 in order to connect to sites? | |
| [05:07] <slimjimflim> should i just remove the addon? | |
| [06:45] <owen1> how to set xterm to it's defaults, using .Xdefaults file? | |
| === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla | |
| [08:43] <owen1> i try to use monaco fonts as my xterm default by setting .Xdefaults. I read about the command xfontsel that open dialog with all the options of fonts and help in creating the line in .Xdefaults. from some reason i don't see monaco there eventhough i installed Monaco_Linux on my machine. any idea? | |
| === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla | |
| [09:21] <deus__> Ok | |
| [09:21] <deus__> how do i configure synaptics now? | |
| [09:21] <deus__> im not talking to the frontend of apt | |
| [09:21] <deus__> but the controlling of tbe touchpad to laptops | |
| [11:07] <deus__> my update of the packages is stuck on | |
| [11:07] <deus__> 40% [Connecting to no.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:700:300:1800::b)] | |
| [11:07] <deus__> but i can ping it with no problem | |
| [11:08] <deus__> anybody know anything about that? | |
| === rubix__ is now known as magic_ninja | |
| [12:05] <thekanclub> hi | |
| [12:14] <bad-wire> hi there, sound trouble on xubuntu 8.04 with a santa cruz soundcard (Sound Fusion CS46xx): 1- it plays , then keeps on playing but sounds stop 2- I can hear sound from line in, but trying to recordwith audacity does not show any volume . anyone got a clue? | |
| [12:55] <sinbox> if anyone has an answer for bad-wire give it to me please :) | |
| [12:56] * bad-wire is out of here | |
| === web_know1 is now known as web_knows | |
| [14:51] <sinbox> on the same question from bad-wire: after installing ubuntu-desktop: playback works fine on there. | |
| [15:05] <ubd> how do i add a program to startup | |
| [15:28] <juanantonio> Hello, my friends. I am trying Xubuntu Live CD, it's really simple but very accurate and very logical | |
| [15:38] <djohngo_> I'm having some sound troubles. | |
| [15:38] <djohngo_> root has sound, but users don't unless I change the permissions to /dev/snd to 777. | |
| [15:39] <djohngo_> All my users are members of "audio'. | |
| [15:39] <djohngo_> I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting this. | |
| [15:40] <djohngo_> Any suggestions would be appreciated. | |
| [15:42] <sinbox> not the easiest version for sound xubuntu unfortunately, been having problems since this morning and no answer so far, but patience should pay | |
| [15:46] <juanantonio> One thing, how can I make to connect to my WiFi net? | |
| [15:46] <juanantonio> Or maybe if I am using the CD Live version the feature is not working? | |
| [15:46] <neozen> juanantonio: depends on the wireless card you're using | |
| [15:47] <juanantonio> Conceptronic | |
| [15:48] <juanantonio> very usable, even in Windows Xp and Suse | |
| [15:48] <neozen> ubd: in the settings manager Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager look for "Autostarted Applications" | |
| [15:48] <neozen> juanantonio: you familiar w/ network-manager-gnome? | |
| [15:49] <neozen> juanantonio: lives in your system tray, lets you handle network connections | |
| [15:49] <juanantonio> I do not know, in this PC I have Kubuntu | |
| [15:50] <neozen> juanantonio: ahh... perhaps the #kubuntu channel then | |
| [15:50] <juanantonio> Yes, it is up in my Xfce Desktop, 0.7.0 version | |
| [15:50] <juanantonio> Neozen, the PC I have problems in is ruuning Xubuntu 8.10 | |
| [15:50] <neozen> juanantonio: am confused... do you have a connection on the computer with xfce, or not? | |
| [15:51] <juanantonio> I have no connection | |
| [15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: ok... | |
| [15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: you should see a networking icon in the system tray | |
| [15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: I believe xubuntu puts it in the top right by default | |
| [15:52] <juanantonio> Yes, I can see two PCs with a red X close to the espeaker icon | |
| [15:52] <juanantonio> Yes, it is in the top | |
| [15:52] <neozen> juanantonio: wonderful, if you click it do you see wireless networks? | |
| [15:54] <juanantonio> Yes, I can see my net. I was clicking right button, I just clicked left one | |
| [15:54] <juanantonio> What must I do? Justo to click and everything will be working? | |
| [15:54] <neozen> juanantonio: still can't get a connection? | |
| [15:55] <neozen> juanantonio: or was just a left-click vs right-click confusion? | |
| [15:55] <juanantonio> One second, I am typing my password | |
| [15:56] <neozen> juanantonio: k | |
| [15:56] <juanantonio> Everything is allright, Neozen. Thank you, I am so new, hehehe | |
| [15:57] <neozen> juanantonio: fyi ... you'd do the same thing to connect to a wireless network in regular ubuntu (GNOME) | |
| [15:57] <neozen> juanantonio: hehee... np | |
| [15:58] <juanantonio> Ok, my friend, I am getting used to Kubuntu just because in my beginning in Linux I installed SuSE 10.1 | |
| [15:59] * neozen nods | |
| [15:59] <juanantonio> and now I want to know everything about Xubuntu to see if I can resurrect some PIII I have in my old house to download | |
| [15:59] <neozen> juanantonio: I started w/ xu a few years ago when I was new to linux w/ a working gui | |
| [16:00] <neozen> juanantonio: (messed w/ Redhat WAYYYYYYY back in the day (2000) for about 3 weeks trying to get X to work) | |
| [16:00] <juanantonio> Hehehe. And what is your opinion about X 8.10? | |
| [16:00] <neozen> juanantonio: I've found it to be quite speedy | |
| [16:01] <sinbox> just onstalled Xubuntu on a P3, works fine appart from that sound problem | |
| [16:01] <neozen> juanantonio: I like the modifications they've made to network manager | |
| [16:01] <juanantonio> I see it with less applications than Kubuntu, but all I need | |
| [16:01] <neozen> juanantonio: *pulled in from upstream on network manager | |
| [16:02] <neozen> juanantonio: nice to have more then one simultaneous connection (ie... both wireless and wired) supported and visible in the gui | |
| [16:02] <juanantonio> Ok, I didn't know it before. But do you think it is a very competent distro? | |
| [16:03] <neozen> juanantonio: I believe so. | |
| [16:03] <juanantonio> Yes, I understand what you mean; I saw it when I was connecting | |
| [16:03] <neozen> juanantonio: I don't agree with some of their choices for default video applications, etc | |
| [16:04] <juanantonio> For example? | |
| [16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: but they're understandable given licensing concerns | |
| [16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: I'm an mplayer user | |
| [16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: tends to work w/o prompting me to pull down alot of codecs | |
| [16:05] <juanantonio> Yes, I downloaded it in this PC | |
| [16:05] <neozen> juanantonio: vlc is a second choice | |
| [16:05] <juanantonio> but I am getting used to Kaffeine | |
| [16:05] <juanantonio> In Xubuntu appears...let me see | |
| [16:05] <neozen> juanantonio: in my experience, if one won't play an encrypted dvd, the other will | |
| [16:06] <juanantonio> "Reproductor de películas", hehehe | |
| [16:06] <neozen> juanantonio: never used Kaffeine... or KDE actually | |
| [16:06] <juanantonio> I am in a Spanish PC and everything is default, hehehe | |
| [16:06] <juanantonio> Xubuntu comes with Totem | |
| [16:06] <neozen> juanantonio: hehehe | |
| [16:07] <juanantonio> and uses some of the GStreamer | |
| [16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: yep | |
| [16:07] <juanantonio> no idea of what this program will make, hehehe | |
| [16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: never really liked totem... am more a fan of minimal interfaces and keyboard shortcuts | |
| [16:07] <juanantonio> but I am not using DVD in the Xubuntu PC | |
| [16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: thus mplayer-nogui ;) | |
| [16:08] <juanantonio> Ok. But MPlayer is in the Ubuntu repos, ins't it? | |
| [16:09] <neozen> juanantonio: yep | |
| [16:10] <juanantonio> I am checking them, my God, there are programs even for treating your bad knee ;) | |
| [16:11] <juanantonio> One question, Xubuntu says acts in some way when you connect a PDA to it. Can I synchronize it? | |
| [16:13] <juanantonio> No fear, going to connect it, hehehe | |
| [16:13] <neozen> juanantonio: don't know... depends on the pda and how it interfaces to linux in general | |
| [16:14] <juanantonio> Yes. It is an HTC 3300 | |
| [16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: I use an ancient palm IIIc (go ahead, laugh ;) ) and link it periodically with the pilot-link suite | |
| [16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: but that's me | |
| [16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: and yeah, the repositories have a TON of programs | |
| [16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: for everything | |
| [16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: including KDE if you want it.... | |
| [16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: any desktop can be installed from any other | |
| [16:15] <juanantonio> Hehehe. One program for linking it? Because with Kubuntu I am not very sure about what | |
| [16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: all packages that end in -desktop so xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc | |
| [16:16] <neozen> juanantonio: don't know of the HTC | |
| [16:16] <juanantonio> Yes, I am re-new in Linux but I did know it ;) | |
| [16:17] <neozen> juanantonio: weren't sure of which app? | |
| [16:18] <juanantonio> Yes, I am not sure about the app needed | |
| [16:18] <neozen> juanantonio: ah... worst case try googling your pda model and 'linux' | |
| [16:19] <juanantonio> Good idea, thank you | |
| [16:21] <juanantonio> I was adviced to install Xubuntu with LXDE desktop, what do you think about it? | |
| [16:23] <dcolish> juanantonio: I remember you asking about lxde before. I honestly think you should stick with xfce for now. | |
| [16:24] <juanantonio> Yes, dcolish, I asked because I wanted to know the biggest amout of opinions | |
| === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla | |
| [16:30] <juanantonio> One question, how can I stablish a net between 2 or 3 linux PCs? | |
| === rheflin is now known as neozen | |
| [16:35] <neozen> juanantonio: sry bout that... cellular link went boom (dratted windows mobile phone :P) | |
| [16:36] <juanantonio> Ok, ma, I know this error and all Vista errors...that is why I am getting started with Linux | |
| [16:37] <neozen> ma? | |
| [16:37] <juanantonio> man ;) | |
| [16:37] <neozen> ah | |
| [16:39] <juanantonio> I am very impressed with general configuration of Xubuntu, and I am using CD Live version | |
| [16:39] <meggark> yeh its great i run it on most of my systems | |
| [16:40] <meggark> great on the netbook and on the desktop | |
| [16:40] * neozen ndos | |
| [16:40] <neozen> *nods | |
| [16:40] <neozen> use it on my thinkpad from work | |
| [16:40] <juanantonio> For sure. It must be around 30% faster than Kubuntu with all the services it runs, don't you think so? | |
| [16:40] <neozen> haven't needed to install anything else yet (though work keeps pushing for office 2007)... | |
| [16:40] <neozen> that..... won't be fun | |
| [16:41] <meggark> office 07 is a bitch | |
| [16:42] <meggark> i write a lot of technical reports for uni, with some mental equations, every one else uses mathtype so i have to use it now and again for group reports | |
| [16:42] <neozen> meggark: "its like little gnomes tore apart my office suite and moved things where I'd never think to put them" --one of our devs | |
| [16:42] <juanantonio> I am going to install 2003 if needed only because I have the key and to sync with my PPC Phone | |
| [16:42] <meggark> lol | |
| [16:42] <neozen> as I see it, best way to install office or corel wp is in a windows virtual machine | |
| [16:43] <meggark> yeh took me ages to get used to the UI, its actually quite nice to use when u get used to it but its such a resource hog | |
| [16:43] <meggark> prefer openoffice anyday | |
| [16:43] <juanantonio> Neozen, you are right | |
| [16:43] <juanantonio> Meggark, definitely it is mucho better and faster | |
| [16:44] <juanantonio> One question, | |
| [16:44] <dcolish> neozen: you ever try wine? | |
| [16:44] <juanantonio> can I make one key open my applcations menu, just as the Start key does in Windows? | |
| [16:44] <neozen> dcolish: yeah | |
| [16:45] <neozen> dcolish: use for starcraft ;) | |
| [16:45] <dcolish> ah, nice, hows the perfomance? I've never been blown away by it | |
| [16:45] <neozen> dcolish: depends on what you're running in it | |
| [16:45] <dcolish> lets say starcraft | |
| [16:46] <neozen> dcolish: seemed snappy to me | |
| [16:46] <neozen> dcolish: aside from the battle.net gui going all screwy of course | |
| [16:47] <neozen> dcolish: main problem w/ wine is that app is not always supported | |
| [16:48] <dcolish> neozen: thats good to hear, there was a while when wine was really bad | |
| [16:48] <dcolish> The crossover guys have done a lot for the project | |
| [16:48] <neozen> dcolish: don't think I ever encountered it in that time | |
| [16:48] <neozen> dcolish: first time was ~ 2006-2007 | |
| [16:49] <dcolish> yeah its been good for the past few years | |
| [16:49] <neozen> dcolish: used it to run IE for a while since work had a web-based app for timesheets that only worked in ie6 | |
| [16:49] <neozen> (yuk) | |
| [16:50] <dcolish> neozen: I feel your pain, i still have to support ie6 | |
| [16:52] <meggark> thats the only thing that annoys me about using xubuntu, the inability to watch streaming media from five on demand and a few other broadcasters who use that damn windows media plugin | |
| [16:53] <meggark> other than that i've found plenty alternative for everything else id do | |
| [18:15] <brewmaster> how can I get xubuntu's default x terminal to display special characters properly? like spanish and french characters with accents | |
| [18:54] <TheSheep> brewmaster: it does so by default | |
| [18:56] <brewmaster> TheSheep, hrm, not mine... | |
| [18:56] <brewmaster> could it be a pine issue? | |
| [18:57] <TheSheep> brewmaster: is it run on the same host? | |
| [18:57] <brewmaster> Yeah | |
| [18:57] <TheSheep> what does the line 'echo $LANG' say? | |
| [18:57] <brewmaster> so yeah, i can see special character in vim, but not in pine | |
| [18:58] <brewmaster> en_CA.UTF-8 | |
| [18:58] <TheSheep> brewmaster: try to configure pine to use utf-8 for output | |
| [18:58] <TheSheep> although it should do so by default | |
| [18:59] <TheSheep> but maybe it's not configured properly on ubuntu, it's not commonly used program after all on desktop distributions | |
| [19:01] <brewmaster> TheSheep, yeah, it looks like I need a patch of some kind | |
| [19:01] <TheSheep> try mutt :) | |
| [19:03] <brewmaster> blashemy! that's like telling a vi user to user emacs :P | |
| [19:03] <TheSheep> better than telling them to use MS Word | |
| [19:04] <TheSheep> besides pine is more emacs-like and mutt more vi-like ;) | |
| [19:04] <TheSheep> or rather pine is more nano/pico-like :P | |
| [19:12] <dcolish> brewmaster: you might not mind sup then? | |
| [19:15] <brewmaster> dcolish, yeah, it looks pretty nice | |
| [19:15] <dcolish> yeah its all in ruby, uses the ncurses bidnings | |
| [20:59] <xanxor> hi everyone | |
| [20:59] <xanxor> I wonder if anybody could help me with a quick question I have about xubuntu? I'm new to the OS. | |
| [21:00] <neozen> salutations xanxor | |
| [21:00] <xanxor> hi neozen | |
| [21:02] <xanxor> might you be able to help me with something? I imagine it's pretty simple, I'm just new at this. | |
| [21:02] <dcolish> just ask it already | |
| === neozen_ is now known as neozen | |
| [21:02] <xanxor> yeah okay, you don't have to be like that. for some reason my whole file system seems to be read-only. when I open it I can't create or rename anything and when I open properties it says read-only and I am unable to uncheck that. | |
| [21:03] <xanxor> I can only create things on the desktop. | |
| [21:04] <neozen> hmmm... can you create things in your users home directory? | |
| [21:04] <neozen> xanxor: (parent directory of Desktop) | |
| [21:04] <xanxor> hmm let me see. | |
| [21:04] <dcolish> you'll need to use the command line to verify permissions. open a terminal and type ls -lrt in the window that opens then place that in pastebin and send the link | |
| [21:05] <xanxor> oh, yes I can. | |
| [21:05] <neozen> xanxor: hmmm ...sounds ok to me... | |
| [21:06] <neozen> xanxor: when you said you were new to the os, did you mean new to linux in general... or just to xfce/xubuntu | |
| [21:06] <xanxor> no yeah linux in general. I tried to use ubuntu a few years ago when it was much less user-friendly and it stumped me completely, and now I'm trying it for real. | |
| [21:06] <neozen> xanxor: ok... that explains it | |
| [21:06] <xanxor> but yeah it seems to be working, I guess I just have to go via the home folder, not straight into 'file system'. | |
| [21:07] <neozen> xanxor: standard root file system isn't owned by your user | |
| [21:07] <xanxor> okay. | |
| [21:07] <neozen> xanxor: only your home directory | |
| [21:07] <xanxor> is there a way to modify that? it seems weird that you can't. | |
| [21:07] <xanxor> it feels a bit windows XP to me. : P | |
| [21:07] <neozen> xanxor: NO | |
| [21:07] <xanxor> I mean there's nothing I want to change, I'm sure it'd destroy things, I'm just curious. | |
| [21:07] <neozen> xanxor: this is part of unix's security model | |
| [21:07] <xanxor> fair enough. | |
| === K3R is now known as rerobins | |
| [21:08] <xanxor> oh I had another question. I installed a program using the add/remove program and it doesn't seem to be in my application list. add/remove assures me it's installed, but where do I find it? | |
| [21:08] <neozen> xanxor: the idea being that if some process you run gets out of hand and starts blowing things away.... only your users files are vulnerable to it | |
| [21:08] <xanxor> I realise these are crazy newbieish questions but I can't find this information in the documentation on the web site, maybe that just means I'm bad at research. | |
| [21:09] <neozen> xanxor: perhaps ;) I'll send you a linke | |
| [21:09] <neozen> *link | |
| [21:10] <neozen> xanxor: what was the application? | |
| [21:12] <xanxor> it's the ekiga softphone. | |
| [21:12] <xanxor> but it's something I don't understand in general, like if you install something from a tar file as well. | |
| [21:12] <neozen> I think it shows up under the internet section | |
| [21:12] <xanxor> (which I did find the instructions for and am attempting now : P) | |
| [21:12] <xanxor> it didn't though, and add/remove says it was installed. | |
| [21:13] <neozen> xanxor: installing from a tarball..... as in a source tarball? | |
| [21:13] <neozen> xanxor: try opening a terminal and running ekiga from there | |
| [21:13] <xanxor> I... don't know? haha. it's a .tar.bz2? but the instructions say this is how to compile and install it if necessary. | |
| [21:13] <xanxor> okay | |
| [21:13] <neozen> xanxor: yeah that's a source tarball | |
| [21:14] <neozen> xanxor: generally there are packages pre-built for most common apps... thinks to keep in mind are when you want to install an application system wide you'll need to sudo things that modify system locations | |
| [21:15] <xanxor> okay, I have no idea what that means. I gotta work through this one step at a time. this isn't a common app, I need something to convert .psw files to .doc. | |
| [21:15] <xanxor> as I have a PDA and no way to sync it, which I don't care about, but I have class notes on the CF card which need to be converted. | |
| [21:15] <neozen> xanxor: ok... as you said... one step @ a time | |
| [21:15] <xanxor> yep. | |
| [21:16] <xanxor> but I do need to work out how to do this tonight, as I have work due tomorrow based on these notes haha. | |
| [21:16] <xanxor> but yeah not your problem! : ) | |
| [21:16] <neozen> xanxor: oh... goody | |
| [21:16] <neozen> hehe | |
| [21:16] <xanxor> : P thanks for your help | |
| [21:16] <dcolish> xanxor: try looking at the .psw files in vim | |
| [21:16] <xanxor> now it's just me vs the terminal | |
| [21:17] <xanxor> vim? | |
| [21:17] <xanxor> what's vim? | |
| [21:17] <xanxor> sorry | |
| [21:17] <dcolish> a text editor | |
| [21:17] <neozen> dcolish: easy mon, he's just getting started | |
| [21:17] <neozen> dcolish: don't go throwing vim @ him right away ;) | |
| [21:17] <xanxor> okay. do I have to download and install that separately? I mean, is that hard? haha | |
| [21:17] <dcolish> xanxor: goto your menu and look for mousepad | |
| [21:17] <xanxor> uh... | |
| [21:17] <xanxor> oh yeah opened that | |
| [21:18] <xanxor> and you think that'll open psws? | |
| [21:18] <xanxor> trying now | |
| [21:18] <neozen> xanxor: well... if you're lucky... psw files contain plain text | |
| [21:18] <xanxor> it just gave me a weird symbol | |
| [21:18] <xanxor> {\pwi | |
| [21:18] <neozen> binary file eh? | |
| [21:18] <dcolish> looks like it | |
| [21:18] <xanxor> if you say so. : P | |
| [21:19] <xanxor> what are the implications of that? | |
| [21:19] <neozen> xanxor: in terminal, switch to directory where you saved the tarball | |
| [21:19] <xanxor> that's cd right? | |
| [21:19] <neozen> xanxor: means we'll probably need to compile some application to read it... | |
| [21:19] <neozen> xanxor: not any cd I've ever heard of | |
| [21:19] <xanxor> well, the one I downloaded claims it can do that. | |
| [21:20] <xanxor> oh I thought cd was change directory? | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: k | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: yep | |
| [21:20] <xanxor> oh you were mocking me haha I get it | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: so cd to that directory | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: no.... | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: you in the directory? | |
| [21:20] <xanxor> uh. super dumb question: how do you tell it to go to the home directory? | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: cd | |
| [21:20] <neozen> xanxor: with no args | |
| [21:21] <dcolish> xanxor: there should be a utility that you can use in this link. http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux_palm.html | |
| [21:21] <xanxor> ook | |
| [21:21] <xanxor> er, ok | |
| [21:21] <dcolish> xanxor: also try looking in synaptic, its under menu-> system | |
| [21:21] <xanxor> well, this program says it does it so I guess I'll try it since I have it? | |
| [21:21] <dcolish> you will have a tough time doing this compile, but if you're ready to learn go for it | |
| [21:22] <dcolish> just saying you might find a precompiled binary in synaptic, always check their first | |
| [21:22] <xanxor> well, I found instructions that say | |
| [21:22] <xanxor> # tar xvzf package.tar.gz (or tar xvjf package.tar.bz2) # cd package # ./configure # make # make install | |
| [21:24] <xanxor> haha first line of that and I get an error. I'll check synaptic. : P | |
| [21:24] <xanxor> just thought I could feel proud of myself it it worked | |
| [21:24] <xanxor> haha | |
| [21:24] <dcolish> well its simple enough, but yeah synaptic is nice | |
| [21:25] <xanxor> well you say it's simple but I'm proud if I can do anything with the terminal. cuz that's pretty much never happened. | |
| [21:26] <dcolish> you'll get better with time. If you can't find anything I can step you through the build | |
| [21:26] <xanxor> well I really appreciate that. | |
| [21:26] <xanxor> ubuntu people are nice. I can stumble in here all "oh god halp" and you guys are being nice haha | |
| [21:28] <dcolish> np, good luck | |
| [21:28] <xanxor> okay so I looked through synaptic and couldn't find anything. the link you send is just for palm, mine is windows mobile 2003... | |
| [21:29] <xanxor> I did tar xvzf unoconv-0.3.tar.bz2 to the file and it gave me the error gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors | |
| [21:29] <dcolish> yeah because a bz2 is not a gzip, you need to run tar xjf | |
| [21:29] <xanxor> oh okay | |
| [21:30] <xanxor> okay sweet no error, I'll do the next steps and see how that goes | |
| [21:31] <xanxor> okay I got to the step that says ./configure and it said bash: ./configure: No such file or directory | |
| [21:32] <knome> xanxor, what are you trying to install? | |
| [21:32] <xanxor> something called unoconv, it's supposed to convert between all sorts of files but particularly psw to doc which is what I need | |
| [21:34] <xanxor> but ./configure doesn't seem to make sense to my terminal. | |
| [21:35] <knome> !unoconv | |
| [21:35] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unoconv | |
| [21:35] <knome> !info unoconv | |
| [21:35] <ubottu> unoconv (source: unoconv): converter between OpenOffice.org document formats. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3-3 (intrepid), package size 14 kB, installed size 100 kB | |
| [21:35] <knome> is that what you need? | |
| [21:35] <xanxor> yep | |
| [21:36] <xanxor> it said the description on the site I downloaded it from that it converts from psw to doc, which is all I need (urgently). | |
| [21:36] <knome> so, why don't you install it from synaptic/apt? | |
| [21:36] <xanxor> oh. because I didn't find it there? I'll have another look I guess. | |
| [21:36] <knome> you don't have to D/L from any sites. | |
| [21:36] <xanxor> oh haha there it is | |
| [21:36] <xanxor> go figure | |
| [21:36] <xanxor> : P | |
| [21:38] <xanxor> okay, that brings me to my other question: when I've installed an application, where do I find it and how do I run it if it doesn't appear in the Applications menu? | |
| [21:39] <xanxor> I'd run it from the terminal but I don't know where it is. | |
| [21:40] <xanxor> I mean I don't know where the application installed to. | |
| [21:42] <volo> hi | |
| [21:42] <xanxor> hi volo | |
| [21:42] <dcolish> xanxor: open a terminal and typ unoconv | |
| [21:44] <xanxor> unoconv: you have to provide a filename as argument Try `unoconv -h' for more information. | |
| [21:45] <KlrSpz> i'm tryin to get synaptic to stop upgrading a package i've custom installed, but i've forced a version and locked it, and it always wants to upgrade.. .what gives? | |
| [21:47] <dcolish> xanxor: follow the instructions that are output by the application | |
| [21:47] <xanxor> you mean when you do unoconv -h? | |
| [21:48] <volo> bye | |
| [21:50] <xanxor> sorry, I gotta go for about 15 minutes. I'll be back pestering you guys soon I'm sure. | |
| [21:55] <Sister_Blue> hello could someone help me out Does xubuntu run on a machine that has 128 ram? | |
| [21:56] <knome> Sister_Blue, it can be quite slow, but it will run. you want most probably use the alternative cd to install. | |
| [21:56] <Sister_Blue> where can i find the alternative cd to download ? | |
| [21:57] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/get | |
| [21:57] <knome> you will get to select the cd to download after you've chosen your mirror | |
| [21:57] <Sister_Blue> knome thank you i am checking that link out | |
| [21:58] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimum "supported" ram is 192 though so you can experience some problems... | |
| [21:58] <knome> Sister_Blue, and the min recommended is as much as 256 | |
| [21:59] <Sister_Blue> knome which version should I go with it has a 8.04.1 and 8.10 version out there ? | |
| [22:00] <knome> Sister_Blue, i suppose you could have a better experience with the 8.04.1 one | |
| [22:01] <Sister_Blue> knome I think i read somewhere of a .... umm.... lightweight version of xubunu ? | |
| [22:01] <knome> Sister_Blue, if you want absolute lightweightness, use the ubuntu minimal cd | |
| [22:01] <knome> !minimal | |
| [22:01] <ubottu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | |
| [22:02] <Sister_Blue> i believe it said something about 64 mb ram requirement for install ? | |
| [22:02] <knome> Sister_Blue, yes, alt. cd requires only 64 megs of ram to install, but running the system after installing needs more | |
| [22:02] <Sister_Blue> knome how much to run the system after install without lags ? | |
| [22:03] <knome> Sister_Blue, uhh... 512? | |
| [22:04] <Sister_Blue> knome will the minimum run on the 128 though ? | |
| [22:04] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimal will need also 192, if you install the complete xubuntu desktop with it | |
| [22:04] <knome> Sister_Blue, but there you have alternatives, for example slim and lxde instead of gdm and xfce | |
| [22:05] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimal cd installs only the core system (not even graphical environment, if you don't want) | |
| [22:05] <knome> Sister_Blue, then you can add stuff into it and of course, every package/thing has it's own requirements | |
| [22:05] <Sister_Blue> knome oh is there a way to select that slim and lxde option on the installation cd | |
| [22:06] <knome> Sister_Blue, i doubt that, but after you have installed the minimal installation, you can install them with "sudo apt-get install slim lxde" | |
| [22:07] <Sister_Blue> knome where would i enter that sudo .... (I am still learning -- newbie here) | |
| [22:08] <knome> Sister_Blue, in the terminal/cli (command line interface) | |
| [22:10] <knome> Sister_Blue, are you on that PC now or is it an another PC? | |
| [22:10] <Sister_Blue> knome i have not installed the other system yet | |
| [22:10] <Sister_Blue> it is not on this pc but i have ubuntu here on this one now | |
| [22:10] <knome> ok, so you can be online at the same time you are installind? | |
| [22:10] <knome> *g | |
| [22:10] <Sister_Blue> yes | |
| [22:10] <knome> ok | |
| [22:11] <knome> then i suggest you that you should try the minimal | |
| [22:11] <knome> there is usually at least somebody who can help | |
| [22:11] <knome> and with the minimal installation, you can ask #ubuntu as well | |
| [22:12] <knome> so it's more likely you will get help soonish | |
| [22:12] <Sister_Blue> knome thank you :) | |
| [22:12] <knome> np. glad you're enjoying *ubuntu | |
| [22:22] <Sister_Blue> knome the minimal package url is ubuntu mini package is this the same package as for the xubuntu minimal package? | |
| [22:23] <knome> Sister_Blue, yes, as the minimal cd doesn't have any WM/DE installed by default. | |
| [22:23] <Sister_Blue> ok just wondering what does wm/de mean ? | |
| [22:23] <knome> window manager/desktop environment, eg. gnome or xfce | |
| [22:24] <knome> xubuntu is basically ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome | |
| [22:24] <Sister_Blue> what is the difference between gnom and xfce ? | |
| [22:25] <knome> hmm. there's no easy answer for that | |
| [22:25] <Sister_Blue> do they look the same ? or work the same ? | |
| [22:26] <knome> nope, they look a bit different and also work a bit different | |
| [22:26] <Sister_Blue> do they both use a gui ? | |
| [22:26] <knome> but in the end, they do the same work | |
| [22:26] <knome> they *are* gui environments :) | |
| [22:26] <knome> gnome/xfce is what controls your desktop | |
| [22:27] <Sister_Blue> whew i thought it was going to be back to the basics of line text type or something like that | |
| [22:27] <knome> with the minimal cd, you can install CLI-only system ;) | |
| [22:27] <dcolish> Sister_Blue: cli is better than gui, always has been always will be! | |
| [22:30] <Sister_Blue> knomedcolish i'd rather use a gui environment -- seems less confusing to me | |
| [22:30] <Sister_Blue> oopsss knome and dcolish | |
| [22:31] <knome> Sister_Blue, dcolish is just trying to confuse you. ;) | |
| [22:31] <Sister_Blue> oh and that is easily done since i am so "green" | |
| [22:32] <dcolish> i prefer shock and awe | |
| [22:33] <Sister_Blue> knome again, thank you for all your, i have downloaded that mini.iso file and am going to burn it now... unless there is something that needs to be done to the file first? | |
| [22:33] <knome> Sister_Blue, nope. just burn it. | |
| [22:33] <Sister_Blue> knome :) thanks | |
| [22:40] <knome> i will sleep now. see you tomorrow | |
| [22:41] <Sister_Blue> knome goodnite and thanks again for your help it is almost finished burning here :) | |
| [22:41] <knome> great. good luck with the installation! | |
| [22:41] <Sister_Blue> :) | |
| [22:43] * neozen pokes dcolish | |
| [22:44] <neozen> dcolish: take it you helped out xanxor? | |
| [22:44] <neozen> dcolish: had something blow up @ work ::sigh:: | |
| [22:45] <dcolish> neozen: he figured it out that synaptic is much easier, i knome helped too or TheSheep not sure | |
| [22:51] <xanxor> hi guys, just as you've been dreading, I'm back | |
| [22:51] <xanxor> if anyone is still here from before | |
| [22:56] <xanxor> anybody want to help me with trying to use a program in the terminal? I'm trying to convert documents with unoconv and none of the commands seem to work. | |
| [22:59] <dcolish> xanxor: did the unoconv have a man page? type man unoconv | |
| [23:01] <xanxor> okay actually I figured out how to execute the command and it claims that it can't convert this file type, even though it specifically says it converts psw files. | |
| [23:01] <xanxor> so basically I'm back to square one looking for a program that can. | |
| [23:03] <dcolish> oh well duh, its only going to export openoffice files, not import them | |
| [23:04] <xanxor> okay, well, it claims it can convert 'between' all the listed files. | |
| [23:04] <xanxor> so I interpreted that to mean it can, you know, convert between them. | |
| [23:04] <xanxor> I can't find anything that can do this. | |
| [23:04] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: you are trying to convert what to what? | |
| [23:05] <xanxor> psw to doc or pdf or anything readable by openoffice | |
| [23:06] <neozen> hello again xanxor | |
| [23:06] <Odd-rationale> what's psw? | |
| [23:06] <xanxor> hi neozen | |
| [23:06] <xanxor> the format used by pocket word | |
| [23:06] <xanxor> I have a PDA which I can't sync on linux | |
| [23:06] <xanxor> and even if I could it's currently not functioning terribly well | |
| [23:06] <xanxor> so I have all these psw files on a CF card | |
| [23:06] <xanxor> which I need urgently | |
| [23:07] <neozen> xanxor: thought you'd found something to do it | |
| [23:07] <dcolish> xanxor: according to some forms you can save them as .doc files on your pda | |
| [23:07] <neozen> xanxor: you still have the source? | |
| [23:07] <dcolish> neozen: he was trying to build unoconv | |
| [23:07] <neozen> dcolish: ah | |
| [23:08] <neozen> d'oh | |
| [23:08] <xanxor> yeah, I found unoconv on synaptic and figured out how to use it and it doesn't work.; | |
| [23:08] <xanxor> I could probably save them as doc on my PDA, if my PDA was working. | |
| [23:08] <xanxor> it is currently in a state of Epic Fail | |
| [23:08] <neozen> hmmmm... mother brain to the rescue (goes off to google) | |
| [23:08] <Odd-rationale> that's what happens when you use a proprietary format... :P | |
| [23:09] <xanxor> haha thanks. I've scoured google but as I mentioned before I'm not amazing at research apparently : P | |
| [23:09] <xanxor> yes well, it's not my choice. | |
| [23:09] <xanxor> linux is available for my device but not very well developed | |
| [23:09] <xanxor> and considering the problems I'm having with it on my laptop with a very user-friendly distro, I'm not risking it : P | |
| [23:09] <xanxor> well, not problems so much as learning curve, but still | |
| [23:11] <neozen> xanxor: what does file think the files are? | |
| [23:11] <xanxor> pardon? | |
| [23:12] <neozen> xanxor: in a terminal, type file [nameoffilehere] | |
| [23:12] <xanxor> oh okay | |
| [23:12] <xanxor> 'data' | |
| [23:12] <xanxor> well no kidding | |
| [23:12] <neozen> xanxor: damn | |
| [23:12] <xanxor> very informative | |
| [23:12] <neozen> xanxor: data is what file says when you've fed it something it doesn't know | |
| [23:13] <neozen> xanxor: knows quite a bit | |
| [23:13] <xanxor> ugh | |
| [23:13] <xanxor> I hate proprietary formats | |
| [23:13] <xanxor> they exist to make life harder | |
| [23:13] <neozen> xanxor: and their creators richer | |
| [23:13] <neozen> xanxor: don't forget that | |
| [23:13] <xanxor> that too. | |
| [23:14] <xanxor> sigh. | |
| [23:14] <xanxor> this isn't gonna happen, is it? | |
| [23:14] <dcolish> xanxor: stop it, try this site http://media-convert.com/ | |
| [23:14] <xanxor> at least not until my PDA is up and running again. | |
| [23:14] <xanxor> okay | |
| [23:14] <n1ura> is anybody able to help me get a wireless usb card configured. i am completely new to xubuntu. | |
| [23:15] <neozen> xanxor: does seem to have an input option for psw | |
| [23:15] <xanxor> holy crap dear dcolish you are my new best friend love xanxor | |
| [23:15] <neozen> xanxor: you may just be in luck..... got any classified stuff in there? | |
| [23:16] <neozen> eheh | |
| [23:16] <neozen> n1ura: might | |
| [23:16] <xanxor> it's my physics notes | |
| [23:16] <neozen> n1ura: what kind of card | |
| [23:16] <xanxor> they can do with it what they will | |
| [23:16] <neozen> xanxor: lol | |
| [23:16] <n1ura> it is a Belkin Wireless G Plus MIMO USB Network adapter | |
| [23:16] <xanxor> seriously dcolish thank you so much | |
| [23:16] <dcolish> xanxor: always remember, dr google :) | |
| [23:16] <neozen> n1ura: have you hit the ubuntuforums? | |
| [23:17] <xanxor> haha I tried so hard honestly | |
| [23:17] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: next time. take notes a hard piece of paper :D | |
| [23:17] <n1ura> be warned, I am new to linux, thought I would give it a try. | |
| [23:17] <neozen> n1ura: np | |
| [23:17] <n1ura> no, this is the first place I have turned to. | |
| [23:17] <xanxor> turns out I'm really bad at finding anything on google ever | |
| [23:17] <xanxor> but I knew that already | |
| [23:17] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: do you happen to have the windows drivers disc? | |
| [23:17] <xanxor> Odd-rationale I may start obsessively printing, at least | |
| [23:17] <neozen> n1ura: ok.... is usually a good practice to search the ubuntuforums with the make/model of hardware you're trying to get working... generally someone's already messed w/ it | |
| [23:18] <xanxor> oh | |
| [23:18] <xanxor> haha | |
| [23:18] <xanxor> it converted | |
| [23:18] <xanxor> to ################ | |
| [23:18] <xanxor> etc | |
| [23:18] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: does it open? | |
| [23:18] <xanxor> yeah, as gibberish symbols | |
| [23:19] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: what did you convert it to? | |
| [23:19] <n1ura> the belkin driver disk should be around here somewhere, but it is only for windows 2000 | |
| [23:19] <xanxor> .doc | |
| [23:19] <xanxor> I'll try some other formats I guess | |
| [23:19] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: is that the disc you used when you were using windows? | |
| [23:19] <neozen> xanxor: RTF! | |
| [23:19] <xanxor> okay! | |
| [23:19] <neozen> xanxor: lol | |
| [23:19] <n1ura> no, because i have windows xp not 2000 | |
| [23:20] <n1ura> i had to download the correct driver | |
| [23:20] <xanxor> neozen it's still rubbish | |
| [23:20] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: oh ok... you know where you downloaded the drivers from? | |
| [23:21] <xanxor> I think it'd probably be more useful to keep trying to google the formula I need | |
| [23:21] <xanxor> all I need from my notes is one formula | |
| [23:21] <n1ura> i can find the site again. | |
| [23:21] <xanxor> I was just not finding it because I am apparently the worst at google | |
| [23:22] <n1ura> i plugged in the usb adapter to see what would happen and the green light keeps flashing as if it was trying to make a connection, but that is all it does. | |
| [23:22] <neozen> Odd-rationale: wait... don't tell me.... broadcom based card? | |
| [23:23] <Odd-rationale> neozen: is it broadcom based? i was planning on ndiswrapper... | |
| [23:23] <neozen> Odd-rationale: lol... ndis isn't needed for everything | |
| [23:23] <neozen> n1ura: open a terminal | |
| [23:23] <neozen> n1ura: type lspci | |
| [23:23] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: can you pastebin the ouput of lsusb | |
| [23:24] <n1ura> let me go grab the computer, i'll be back | |
| [23:24] <Odd-rationale> neozen: well. if it is BC, then b43 might work... otherwise ndis usually does the job... | |
| [23:24] <neozen> bah... am always stuck in verbose mode | |
| [23:25] <neozen> Odd-rationale: perhaps ndis works better now then it used to | |
| [23:25] <neozen> Odd-rationale: used to have nothing but problems w/ one of my cards under ndis | |
| [23:25] <Odd-rationale> neozen: ndis was the way i got some of my cards to work... i guess it depends on your expereince... :P | |
| [23:26] <Odd-rationale> my experience with ndis was pretty good.. :D | |
| [23:26] <xanxor> okay, thanks guys, I'm gonna go try to find this formula. | |
| [23:26] <xanxor> thanks for all your help (and patience) | |
| [23:26] <dcolish> xanxor: good luck | |
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| [23:39] <n1ura> ok, i typed lspci | |
| [23:40] <neozen> n1ura: ok.... did you stick the output in pastebin? | |
| [23:40] <n1ura> is there a certain line you need or do you want all of what it says?? | |
| [23:40] <neozen> !pastebin | |
| [23:40] <ubottu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | |
| [23:40] <n1ura> how do i stick the output in pastebin?? | |
| [23:40] <neozen> n1ura: all of it... we'll find what we're looking for | |
| [23:40] <neozen> n1ura: select text with mouse... right click... say copy | |
| [23:41] <neozen> n1ura: then in webpage say paste... | |
| [23:41] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: are you on that computer right now? or on another? | |
| [23:41] <neozen> heh... | |
| [23:41] <neozen> good point | |
| [23:41] <n1ura> i am on another computer. | |
| [23:41] <n1ura> so i guess i'll have to type it all | |
| [23:41] <neozen> n1ura: nah | |
| [23:41] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: is there a way you can wire that machin up? | |
| [23:42] <neozen> n1ura: lspci |egrep "Network|Ethernet" | |
| [23:42] <neozen> n1ura: run that | |
| [23:42] <neozen> n1ura: that should catch them | |
| [23:43] <n1ura> i wish there was a way to wire it up, that is kind of what i am trying to do in the first place. let me try that command. | |
| [23:43] <neozen> n1ura: oh wait.... damn... its usb | |
| [23:43] <neozen> n1ura: that won't work ::sigh:: | |
| [23:43] <Odd-rationale> lsusb | |
| [23:43] <n1ura> yes usb | |
| [23:44] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: does the device show up in lsusb ? | |
| [23:44] <neozen> n1ura: you have anything in the list that looks like a network card? | |
| [23:45] <neozen> sorry... I'll let Odd-rationale take over | |
| [23:45] <n1ura> there are 8 lines, host bridge, isa brige, ide interface, usb controller, bridge, vga compatible controller, cardbus bridge (listed twice) | |
| [23:46] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: what about the ouput of lsusb? | |
| [23:46] <n1ura> i have not typed the egrep command yet, didn't know if you said that wouldn't work or not | |
| [23:47] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: probably not. | |
| [23:47] <neozen> n1ura: nah ... that won't work... just filters down the lspci list | |
| [23:47] <neozen> n1ura: forgot your card is usb... so it won't show up in output of that command | |
| [23:47] <n1ura> ok | |
| [23:47] <neozen> !lspci | |
| [23:47] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci | |
| [23:48] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: have you done lsusb yet? | |
| [23:48] <neozen> ...they really should add something | |
| [23:48] <n1ura> no, just type lsusb?? | |
| [23:48] <neozen> n1ura: yep | |
| [23:48] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: yeah. in a terminal | |
| [23:48] <Odd-rationale> gtg bbl | |
| [23:48] <neozen> k... I'll keep going then | |
| [23:48] <n1ura> bus 001 device 002: id 050d:905b Belkin Components F5D9050 ver 3 Wireless Adapter | |
| [23:49] <neozen> n1ura: aww goodie | |
| [23:49] <neozen> thanks for typing all that | |
| [23:49] <n1ura> Bus 001 devide 001: ID ld6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub | |
| [23:49] <neozen> n1ura: I'll look in the forums | |
| [23:50] <n1ura> ok, i'll let you look at that while I go feed the backyard critters. I shall return. | |
| [23:50] <neozen> n1ura: usually w/ new hardware I just take whatever lspci or lsusb tells me and search for it on the forums | |
| [23:53] <neozen> n1ura: have you tried clicking network manager icon? | |
| [23:53] <neozen> n1ura: *left-clicking | |
| [23:54] <neozen> n1ura: (small icon in system tray with two computers... and probably a red x) | |
| [23:56] <n1ura> ok i am back | |
| [23:57] <n1ura> i will try left clicking | |
| [23:57] <n1ura> hey, that seems to be doing something constructive! | |
| [23:58] <n1ura> i am now connected. | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: ok... good | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: lol | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: your card may indeed be supported | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: lol | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: your card was supported all along | |
| [23:58] <n1ura> how about that! thank you very much! | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: next time.... check the docs for how to connect to a network | |
| [23:58] <neozen> n1ura: before hitting irc | |
| [23:59] <neozen> n1ura: we're used to the REALLY tough ones ... like cards that don't work out of the box | |
| [23:59] <neozen> n1ura: ehehe | |
| [23:59] <n1ura> i'll have to give my friend a hard time, he should have told me that. he is the one that recommended xubuntu | |
| [23:59] <neozen> n1ura: well.... it won't just connect right off the bat | |
| [23:59] <neozen> n1ura: windows won't either | |