| === asac_ is now known as asac | |
| === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung | |
| [13:36] <asac> crimsun: so you have any instructions what I should ask when I get bugs like: bug 279346 | |
| [13:36] <asac> in intrepid? | |
| [13:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 279346 in flashplugin-nonfree "no sound in youtube in intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279346 | |
| [13:36] <asac> e.g. what debugging informationn do you want to get collected up front? | |
| [13:37] <asac> i regular see such bugs, but have no idea what to ask for :) | |
| [14:24] <fta> hi | |
| [14:27] <asac> hi fta | |
| [14:27] <asac> i made the 17k ;) | |
| [14:27] <asac> bug karma | |
| [14:28] <fta> :) | |
| [14:36] <sebner> asac: installing lame hardy version also didn't fix it :\ , but /me already prepared a SRU for another package today ^^ | |
| [17:04] <fta> mozilla bug 448680 | |
| [17:04] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 448680 in Video/Audio "Starting <video> playback causes master volume to jump to max" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448680 | |
| [17:06] <fta> crimsun, sound is broken once again in ff3.1, i get 1 sec of sound then silence, yet the video continues | |
| [17:06] <fta> crimsun, playing http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/test1.html | |
| [17:08] <fta> mozilla Bug 461344 | |
| [17:08] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 461344 in Storage "abort if the version of sqlite we are using is not new enough" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461344 | |
| [17:12] <fta> asac, my total is still below 17k :P | |
| [17:16] <asac> fta: yeah. but srsly i did about 40h bug triaging in the last 58h or so ;) | |
| [17:17] <asac> and probably gained at max 1k for that really heroish work | |
| [17:17] <asac> if not only 600K | |
| [17:17] <asac> err 600 | |
| [17:17] <fta> complain to lp guys | |
| [17:17] <fta> my definition of karma is different from theirs | |
| [17:18] <fta> a karma should not decrease after 6 months if you continue to work at the same pace | |
| [17:19] <fta> basically, our drops are the reflection of our past activities, this is non sense | |
| [17:20] <asac> yeah. ... its more like a trailing average | |
| [17:20] <fta> karma should only decrease if you're doing nothing, not if you worked harder in the past | |
| [17:21] <asac> welll ... you could have a long term average (which probably is more what you have now) | |
| [17:21] <asac> and a "current" pace indicator | |
| [17:22] <asac> the current approach is about "defeating" karma you earned in the past and if you are brave even building on top | |
| [17:22] <fta> well, today, if you earn 10 points for something, in 6 months from now, it will be divided by 10, then expire | |
| [17:23] <asac> fta: well but think that you do a bunch of work 6 month ago ... and then you only do a bit work | |
| [17:23] <asac> karma should then decrease right? | |
| [17:24] <asac> if you never decrease as long as some work is happening you can easily keep your karma and rest forever ;) | |
| [17:24] <fta> yes but not proportionally to what you've gained | |
| [17:24] <asac> yeah. its difficult ;) | |
| [17:25] <fta> do a wonderful job for zillions of stuff, then stop for a year, you're back to zero, same as someone doing nothing | |
| [17:26] <asac> yeah | |
| [17:26] <fta> yet, i feel your karma should be higher | |
| [17:26] <asac> i think it shouldnt be that bad | |
| [17:26] <asac> i mean ... the decreaes should be slower than the increase | |
| [17:26] <asac> but i think that was in the past | |
| [17:26] <fta> indeed | |
| [17:27] <asac> and people like seb and pitti had karma more than a million | |
| [17:27] <asac> which was perceived as demotivating for people that cannot spend that much time | |
| [17:27] <fta> true | |
| [17:27] <asac> so current approach gives more incentive to short term contributors | |
| [17:27] <asac> than long term | |
| [17:27] <asac> e.g. if you start it goes up quick | |
| [17:27] <asac> afterwards it fighting against decay ;) | |
| [17:29] <Nafallo> asac: the main Swedish translator was number one, since all his work got committed via tarballs ;-) | |
| [17:32] <asac> heh | |
| [17:32] <asac> but i think that rosetta isnt that fruitful anymore | |
| [17:32] <sebner> asac: ripping is working again (you have to activate "Create Wave Header" in the config. but the result is only noise :( | |
| [17:33] <asac> good | |
| [17:33] <asac> most likely a compression thing then | |
| [17:33] <sebner> asac: apachelogger told me that something inside k3b responsible for that is pretty b0rken ^^ damn :( | |
| [17:37] <asac> k | |
| [17:46] <asac> fta: is tbird 3 from your archive usable for reading imap stuff? | |
| [17:47] <asac> damn ... archive.u.c is still completely utilized | |
| [17:47] <asac> hmm 70k now | |
| [17:47] <asac> thats more or less ok | |
| [17:47] <Nafallo> really? :-P | |
| [17:47] <asac> at least to not fall asleep before it finishes ;) | |
| [17:48] <asac> Nafallo: well better than the 980B/s i had in the beginning | |
| [17:48] <Nafallo> I got like my 4Mbps before... | |
| [17:48] <asac> hmm | |
| [17:48] <fta> asac, try it | |
| [17:48] <asac> Nafallo: so you say its on my side or you are directly in the center? | |
| [17:49] <asac> fta: Need to get 12.1MB of archives. | |
| [17:49] <asac> After this operation, 36.9MB of additional disk space will be used. | |
| [17:49] <asac> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! thunderbird-3.0 | |
| [17:49] <Nafallo> asac: hehe. not on the switch now, no. from home. | |
| [17:49] <asac> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y | |
| [17:49] <asac> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main thunderbird-3.0 3.0~b1~hg20081031r785+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta2 [12.1MB] | |
| [17:49] <asac> Nafallo: so its my sucky provider again | |
| [17:49] <asac> but i think i found a new provider that provides cable stuff here | |
| [17:50] <Nafallo> 9 hops to the archive.... SRSLY! | |
| [17:50] <asac> well it wasnt possible before in my particular hous ;) | |
| [17:50] <fta> still slow for me too Fetched 17.8MB in 35s (506kB/s) | |
| [17:50] <asac> fta: well 500K is still ok | |
| [17:50] * Nafallo turns on name resolution | |
| [17:50] <asac> i usually have ~1000K | |
| [17:50] <Nafallo> baah. Level3. ✁☹ | |
| [17:50] <asac> fta: does tbird 3 do the same profile wisdom we do for other previews? | |
| [17:51] <asac> or should i backup my profile? | |
| [17:51] <Nafallo> lol. drescher :-) | |
| [17:51] <fta> it's a clone | |
| [17:51] <Nafallo> nice | |
| [17:51] <asac> fta: well. so it creates a copy? | |
| [17:51] <fta> yes | |
| [17:51] <asac> ok ... just starting then | |
| [17:51] <asac> "Starting Schredder" | |
| [17:52] <fta> damn, i broke xul | |
| [17:53] <asac> fta: what can i do with the tab? | |
| [17:54] <fta> open more ? :) | |
| [17:55] <fta> why is my prerm thing not ok... | |
| [17:58] <asac> fta: how to open more tabs? | |
| [17:59] <asac> ok cool | |
| [17:59] <asac> i think i can use shredder for bug stuff now | |
| [17:59] <asac> only feature i am missing is to show a full threawd inline | |
| [17:59] <asac> e.g. click on one threawd element and get all messages displayed in message view | |
| [18:00] <fta> yep | |
| [18:00] <fta> is prerm called after install ?? | |
| [18:01] <asac> fta: which prerm? | |
| [18:01] <fta> generally speaking | |
| [18:01] <asac> i think in some situation prerm is called | |
| [18:01] <asac> let me think ;) | |
| [18:02] <fta> i thought prem was called against the old version during upgrades, before new files are installed | |
| [18:02] <asac> fta: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html 6.5 | |
| [18:03] <asac> in general yes. but in error cases this can become tricky i think | |
| [18:03] <asac> e.g. see 6.6 | |
| [18:03] <asac> i think prerm is unlikely to be called after install | |
| [18:04] <fta> then there's a bug | |
| [18:04] <asac> if you have a simple test case let me know ;) | |
| [18:04] <fta> xulrunner-1.9.1.prerm: | |
| [18:04] <fta> if [ "$1" = "remove" ] || [ "$1" = upgrade ]; then | |
| [18:04] <fta> rm -f /etc/gre.d/1.9.1b2pre.system.conf | |
| [18:04] <fta> fi | |
| [18:05] <asac> fta: we shouldnt do that | |
| [18:05] <asac> we should use the configure status | |
| [18:05] <fta> i upgrade a b2pre to another b2pre, the file is gone | |
| [18:05] <asac> and only remove those that are obsolete and dont have a md5sum mismatch | |
| [18:05] <asac> fta: well if you remove it that way, dpkg will think the user removed it | |
| [18:05] <asac> and will hold back the "new" file | |
| [18:05] <fta> oh | |
| [18:06] <asac> fta: look at dpkg --status xulrunner-1.9.1 | |
| [18:06] <asac> the conffile should be modified by user there | |
| [18:07] <asac> fta: i think what we have to do is in postinst | |
| [18:07] <asac> and there we have to check the status and remove all Obsolete configs | |
| [18:07] <asac> that are not modified | |
| [18:07] <asac> everything else will be handled by dpkg | |
| [18:08] <fta> currently, it's not; i have zillions of files in /etc/gre.d/ | |
| [18:08] <asac> fta: there is a good wiki page in debian on that | |
| [18:08] <asac> fta: yes i know | |
| [18:08] <asac> thats on my list | |
| [18:08] <asac> if you want to fix it, parse the status and check md5sums in postinst for Obsolete config files | |
| [18:08] <asac> and remove them if they are not modified | |
| [18:10] <asac> james_w: where is that debian wiki page for config file handling in maintainer script again? | |
| [18:10] <asac> james_w: nevermind have it | |
| [18:10] <asac> fta: http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling | |
| [18:10] <asac> thats the basic approach | |
| [18:10] <fta> ok, i'll have a look | |
| [18:10] <asac> what we should do is always check all xulrunner-1.9.1 and xulrunner-1.9 conffiles that way | |
| [18:10] <asac> and remove them with that pattern | |
| [18:10] <asac> fta: e.g. copy rm_conffile from there | |
| [18:10] <asac> and use that | |
| [18:12] <asac> fta: cool. | |
| [18:12] <asac> fta: we also want those on the 1.9 branches | |
| [18:12] <asac> in case you are at it ;) | |
| [18:12] <asac> but probably not in stable branches | |
| [18:12] <asac> otoh ;) | |
| [18:20] <asac> fta: you think its impossible to build dom-inspector for tbird? | |
| [18:20] <asac> i mean as a -dom-inspector package? | |
| [18:20] <asac> i think i dumped that at some point during 2.0 | |
| [18:20] <asac> as it was broken since late 1.5 | |
| [18:21] <asac> but now that i use shredder for bugs i would like to add some features and DOM inspector would help ;) | |
| [18:21] <fta> the xul one should work | |
| [18:21] <asac> hmm | |
| [18:21] <fta> providing maxversion is fine | |
| [18:21] <asac> fta: do we ship that with targetapplication toolkit@mozilla.org? | |
| [18:21] <asac> fta: we should fix that. instead of adding all the targetapps just add that | |
| [18:22] <fta> oh, i didn't add the xuladdon path | |
| [18:23] <fta> let me fix xul 1st | |
| [18:23] <asac> fta: ok works fine | |
| [18:23] <asac> fta: while you are at it :) ... replace the ffox targetapplication with toolkit@mozilla.org and min 1.9.1a1 and max 1.9.1.* | |
| [18:23] <asac> or | |
| [18:24] <asac> 1.9.1.0a1 ... not sure | |
| [18:24] <asac> fta: until we use system xul we could then ship a tbird-dom-inspector package that just adds a link | |
| [18:25] <asac> fta: do we have thunderbird-addons too? | |
| [18:25] <asac> fta: hmm. we should do that at least i guess | |
| [18:29] <asac> fta: hmm gnome-support isnt working? | |
| [18:29] <asac> it doesnt honour my gnome preferred browser | |
| [18:29] <asac> ok installing it would help ;)( | |
| [18:30] <asac> hmm still doesnt work | |
| [18:30] <fta> what is $LASTVERSION in http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling ? | |
| [18:31] <asac> fta: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/components/libnkgnomevfs.so | |
| [18:31] <asac> that is missing in tbird gnome support | |
| [18:31] <asac> fta: for our case LASTVERSION doesnt matter ... does it? | |
| [18:32] <asac> fta: thats only an example ... usually you do this migration stuff only once | |
| [18:32] <asac> e.g. when you upgrade from something lower or equal the last version | |
| [18:32] <asac> butin our case we want to remove all obsolete configs all the time | |
| [18:32] <asac> if they dont have md5sum mismatch of course | |
| [18:32] <asac> fta: so just dont if dpkg ---compare-version | |
| [18:33] <asac> fta: hmm | |
| [18:33] <asac> fta: now that i look ... its a bit different for us | |
| [18:33] <fta> yep | |
| [18:33] <asac> fta: i think you will figure. we want to remove all obsolet that are not modified | |
| [18:33] <asac> shoudl be simple ;) | |
| [18:33] <asac> dpkg-query is a good start i guess | |
| [18:34] <crimsun> asac: RE bug 279346, ask that the reporter does not have an ~/.asoundrc, that the reporter has libasound2-plugins installed. It /can/ be a pulseaudio issue; please ask the reporter to try the pulseaudio deb in my PPA. [If it in turn is a pa issue, then it's better in luke's 0.9.13 PPA debs.] | |
| [18:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 279346 in flashplugin-nonfree "no sound in youtube in intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279346 | |
| [18:34] <asac> fta: $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}' xulrunner-1.9 | grep obsolete | |
| [18:35] <asac> those we want to check with md5sum and remove | |
| [18:35] <asac> and 1.9.1 of coruse | |
| [18:38] <fta> yeah, already done, testing now | |
| [18:39] <asac> crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/FlashAnswers | |
| [18:39] <asac> ;) | |
| [18:39] <crimsun> :-) | |
| [18:39] <asac> crimsun: anything the people should add? e.g. like sound card or so? | |
| [18:40] <crimsun> asac: I don't think so | |
| [18:40] <asac> crimsun: so what should happen i nwhat case? if your packages fix it -> alsa-plugins bug? | |
| [18:41] <asac> if themuso fixes it -> pulseaudio | |
| [18:41] <asac> if 1. or 2 -> invalid ;) | |
| [18:42] <crimsun> asac: well, it's always tied to pulseaudio somehow. intrepid's pa has stability problems (known); luke's PPA debs resolve many of those crashers. sometimes reporters have stale ~/.asoundrc*, which mucks up things. | |
| [18:42] <asac> fta: we have official branding in desktop menu, but the ugly letter as window icon ...is that a bug in packaging (e.g. gnome official icon) or in tbird? | |
| [18:45] <fta> i don't remember, i'll check. i'm multi-tasking by 4 right now :S | |
| [18:45] <asac> crimsun: ok i will do the first round then only i gues ... just wanted to do something instead of just reassigning somewhere ;) | |
| [18:45] <asac> fta: thats good ... multi stuff keeps you younger than felt ;) | |
| [19:04] <fta> damn, the file is now removed for good | |
| [19:09] <asac> fta: i need gnome support quick ;) | |
| [19:09] <asac> i cannot select a binary manualkly because file dialog crashes ;) | |
| [19:10] <fta> strange, noone reported that to me | |
| [19:10] <asac> fta: click link so you get asked for application ... | |
| [19:10] <asac> then in file chooser type | |
| [19:10] <asac> ctrl+l | |
| [19:10] <asac> -> /usr/bin/firefox (hit enter) | |
| [19:10] <asac> freeze + crash | |
| [19:11] <asac> hmm | |
| [19:11] <asac> this reminds me of bugs i read against ffox 3.0 today in launchpad | |
| [19:11] <asac> they said that they cannot save files anymore because file chooser freezes stuff | |
| [19:13] <asac> bug 274661 | |
| [19:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 274661 in flashplugin-nonfree "Firefox freezes with various Flash Uploaders from different web pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274661 | |
| [19:13] <asac> but thats not the bug i ment | |
| [19:15] <asac> strange cant find it anymore .) | |
| [19:33] <fta> asac, $ wget -qO- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19186453/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b1~hg20081031r785%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | zgrep -c nkgnomevf | |
| [19:33] <fta> 0 | |
| [19:34] <fta> so libnkgnomevfs.so is not even built | |
| [19:59] <asac> fta: hmm | |
| [19:59] <asac> fta: and gnome-vfs? | |
| [20:00] <asac> fta: maybe we need to enable gnomevfs | |
| [20:00] <asac> fta: usually it was --eanble-gconf --eanble-gnomevfs | |
| [20:01] <fta> i'm sure i had that.. strangely, it's gone | |
| [20:01] <fta> how could i force my gre file to be reinstalled ? | |
| [20:02] <asac> fta: --purge | |
| [20:02] <asac> install ;) | |
| [20:02] <asac> (old) | |
| [20:03] <asac> fta: or try to be hacky and manipulate Conffiles in dpkg status file | |
| [20:03] <asac> manually | |
| [20:03] <asac> and reinstall after that | |
| [20:03] <asac> /var/lib/dpkg/status | |
| [20:03] <asac> but if it breaks dont blame me ;) | |
| [20:04] <fta> there's no api to add a file in there ? | |
| [20:05] <asac> fta: mvo said "dpkg comes from hell" ;) | |
| [20:06] <asac> that made me believe keeping it as a blackbox might be beneficial | |
| [20:21] <asac> fta: here is the crasher bug :) ... i think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288529 | |
| [20:22] <asac> the file dialog thing | |
| [20:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 288529 in firefox-3.0 "firefox, nautilus, transmission " [Medium,Confirmed] | |
| [20:24] <asac> renamed now ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288529 | |
| [20:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 288529 in firefox-3.0 "firefox, nautilus, transmission crash when using gtk file dialog" [Medium,Confirmed] | |
| [20:29] <asac> fta: also track seb128 for karma ;) | |
| [20:29] <asac> i want to detect manipulation ;) | |
| [20:29] <fta> done | |
| [20:38] <asac> fta: tomorrow is meeting ;) | |
| [20:38] <asac> in case you forgot | |
| [20:38] <fta> yep, got the remainder | |
| [20:57] <fta> ix:~$ lsb_release -c | |
| [20:57] <fta> Codename: jaunty | |
| [21:28] <fta> asac, libnkgnomevfs.so is a browser thing, not xul, hence not tb | |
| [21:37] <fta> mozilla bug 461399 | |
| [21:37] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 461399 in Installer: XPInstall Engine "xpinstall.whitelist.add preferences should be extensible" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461399 | |
| [21:42] <Jazzva> asac, I'll skip the meeting :(. I have to go to a friend... | |
| [22:24] <fta> [reed], is hg.m.o dead? | |
| [23:34] <fta> asac, > 45k | |
| [23:35] <fta> asac, i just passed 13k :( | |
| [23:52] <fta> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xul-explorer/xul-explorer.head | |