| [00:53] <bryce> superm1: see my comment to 214840 - does that look okay? If so, I'll do that on all 2.6.22 and 2.6.24 fglrx bugs | |
| [05:30] <superm1> bryce, yeah that should leave people with a warm fuzzy feeling too | |
| [05:30] <superm1> sounds good | |
| [05:31] <superm1> well maybe not fuzzy, but at least warm | |
| [05:35] <bryce> ok, that hit about 70 bugs | |
| [05:58] <wgrant> bryce: Wow, you got -synaptics down to 40 bugs. Nicely done. | |
| [05:59] <bryce> wgrant: unfortunately it was a script error | |
| [05:59] <bryce> closed all Incomplete bugs, not just ones that were >60 days | |
| [06:00] <bryce> silly python. | |
| [06:00] <wgrant> bryce: It left some untouched... | |
| [06:00] <wgrant> And those that were closed had been incomplete for a while. And the reporter can always reopen them. | |
| [06:01] <bryce> wgrant: ok, I'm just spot checking and definitely have found some errors | |
| [06:01] <wgrant> I love some users. | |
| [06:01] <wgrant> user: "Ubuntu 8.10 should focus on making input devices work." | |
| [06:01] <wgrant> dev: "Well then, please try your touchpad in Intrepid" | |
| [06:02] <wgrant> user: "I think you should fix it in Ubuntu 8.04" | |
| [06:02] <wgrant> Well, thanks. | |
| [06:02] <wgrant> Don't actually bother to confirm that it's at all fixed. | |
| [06:02] <wgrant> That would be too easy. | |
| [06:04] <bryce> heh | |
| [06:05] <bryce> my favorites are, "This is a complete showstopper. It is unacceptable that <blah blah>." | |
| [06:06] <wgrant> I'M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS! | |
| [06:07] <bryce> :-D | |
| [06:08] <bryce> heh, a lot of these it appears I set to Incomplete on the 10th, so 20 days to respond isn't _too_ bad. I think I can leave a lot of these expired, and hand wave something about it being release day, so I meant to do that. no really | |
| [06:09] <wgrant> Heh. | |
| [06:09] <bryce> ironically, I'd deliberately put a "dry run" option into these scripts, but I was literally in a hurry to get to a release party and rushed the script changes. | |
| [06:10] <wgrant> You have release parties in your part of the world? :( | |
| [06:12] <bryce> well, really just dinner with co-workers who are here in portland | |
| [06:12] <wgrant> Hmm, I hope there's some provision in XI properties to reset some property to the default. | |
| [06:13] <wgrant> Ah. Even so... | |
| [06:14] * wgrant might seek out GNOMEish people today. | |
| [06:14] <wgrant> I need to see if I can get that g-s-d SRU approved. | |
| [06:29] <bryce> bug 184027 - heh, I'm not the only one with out of control scripts this evening | |
| [06:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 184027 in mesa "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in viaXMesaWindowMoved()" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184027 | |
| [06:29] <wgrant> I wonder if we need a tag for bugs that should be looked at for the input config utility. | |
| [06:30] <bryce> how do you mean? | |
| [06:30] <wgrant> There are lots of bugs which complain about missing options for Synaptics touchpads and other input devices. | |
| [06:31] <wgrant> They should all be able to be seen together somewhere, I think. | |
| [06:41] <bryce> ah, gotcha, yeah good idea | |
| [06:44] <bryce> ok whew, the vast bulk of these were expired appropriately | |
| [06:45] <wgrant> Excellent. | |
| [06:45] <wgrant> I wonder what will die if I throw -synaptics master into my PPA. | |
| [06:55] <tjaalton> morning | |
| [06:55] <wgrant> Morning tjaalton. | |
| [06:59] <tjaalton> wow, bug count down to ~1900 from 2150+ | |
| [07:01] <wgrant> In X? | |
| [07:01] <tjaalton> yep | |
| [07:03] <bryce> \o/ | |
| [07:03] <bryce> tjaalton: yeah my expire script lost its mind and closed pretty much all the Incomplete bugs | |
| [07:04] <tjaalton> bryce: aww, keep it that way :) | |
| [07:04] <bryce> :-) | |
| [07:05] <bryce> actually the vast bulk of these had been sitting as New, and I had a script request more info on the 10th, and there's been no response | |
| [07:05] <bryce> so 20 days ought to be enough time to justify expiring them | |
| [07:05] <tjaalton> yep | |
| [07:05] <bryce> plus it's Release Day. :-) | |
| [07:06] <tjaalton> "nothing we can do about it - neext!" | |
| [07:06] <bryce> yep, 1900 bugs is still plenty for us | |
| [07:07] <wgrant> What is the distribution across the various packages? | |
| [07:07] <tjaalton> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+packagebugs | |
| [07:07] <wgrant> Oh, your instance of that page might actually be usable. | |
| [07:08] <wgrant> My other teams that could make use of that have hundreds of packages with no bugs, so it's entirely useless. | |
| [07:08] <tjaalton> xorg needs cleaning, since it's what people use when filing/triaging bugs | |
| [07:08] <tjaalton> heh | |
| [07:09] <tjaalton> probably some of the input drivers will be dropped when upstream does the same | |
| [07:09] <bryce> wgrant: yeah we actually use that page as our listing of packages we support. My scripts screenscrape that page to get the list of packages to process | |
| [07:09] <bryce> when we drop the l-r-m's we'll be able to cut out a lot of irrelevant bugs too | |
| [07:10] <wgrant> Yep. | |
| [07:10] <wgrant> Most of -synaptics are being sent to Incomplete now. | |
| [07:11] <bryce> heh, I triaged bug 261197 so quick, I asked for info the day before it was filed ;-) | |
| [07:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 261197 in xorg "my screen brightness decreases with ubuntu 8.4" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261197 | |
| [07:12] <wgrant> Stupid slow Internets! | |
| [07:12] <wgrant> Did you have a bogus date header on it? | |
| [07:12] <wgrant> Ah, not, just two months later. | |
| [07:12] <wgrant> But LP has a habit of trusting nasty bogus Date mail headers, making things confusing. | |
| [07:14] <tjaalton> ok, bug 267241 is real, getting multiple dupes too | |
| [07:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 267241 in xorg-server "[intrepid] X11: no device detected" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267241 | |
| [07:14] <tjaalton> the xserver can't decide which device to use | |
| [07:18] <bryce> heh | |
| [07:19] <bryce> Hi hamsterzombie-deactivatedaccount, | |
| [07:19] <bryce> ... | |
| [07:40] <tjaalton> hehe | |
| [08:00] <bryce> wgrant: wow you've been busy | |
| [08:00] <wgrant> bryce: Have I? | |
| [08:01] <bryce> with the Incompletes | |
| [08:01] <wgrant> Ah, yes... there's too many changes to not do that, I'm afraid. | |
| [08:02] <bryce> yep | |
| [08:02] <wgrant> And I might get all the people with speed issues to try master, as that is completely different. | |
| [08:07] * wgrant blinks. | |
| [08:07] <wgrant> 'Invalid whois information' phishing. | |
| [08:07] <wgrant> Nice. | |
| [08:12] <tjaalton> oh great, the problem with multiple devices seems to be 64bit specific | |
| [08:14] <wgrant> More!? | |
| [08:14] <wgrant> X does have more than its fair share of 64-bit unsafeness. | |
| [08:14] <tjaalton> this is with multiple graphics devices | |
| [08:15] <tjaalton> compare these logs for instance: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17352098/xorg.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18858927/XorgLog.txt | |
| [08:15] <tjaalton> the part where it lists the PCI devices | |
| [08:15] <tjaalton> on 64bit you have "(!!) More than one possible primary device found | |
| [08:15] <tjaalton> " | |
| [08:15] <tjaalton> on x86 it picks the first | |
| [08:16] <wgrant> Hmmm. | |
| [08:22] <wgrant> Oh look, a GNOME person. | |
| [08:25] <wgrant> seb128: Hi. | |
| [08:25] <seb128> hey wgrant | |
| [08:26] <wgrant> seb128: You are lord of gnome-settings-daemon, aren't you? | |
| [08:26] <seb128> hum, I don't master the code but I do the updates and the bug triage usually | |
| [08:26] <wgrant> Right. | |
| [08:26] <seb128> why? | |
| [08:27] <wgrant> Well, bug #280148 | |
| [08:27] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 280148 in gnome-settings-daemon "g-s-d needs to set mouse properties when a new device appears" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280148 | |
| [08:27] <wgrant> Since we moved to input hotplug in Intrepid, mouse settings don't affect hotplugged devices. | |
| [08:28] <wgrant> Which means that settings drop after suspend on some machines, or when Bluetooth devices are reattached, or even when some devices go idle (if they're particularly braindead). | |
| [08:28] <seb128> g-s-d is likely applying settings on session start only | |
| [08:28] <seb128> and not dynamically | |
| [08:28] <wgrant> I know. | |
| [08:28] <wgrant> And I have a patch to fix it. | |
| [08:28] <wgrant> http://www.qeuni.net/f/1/2008/20_mouse_devicepresencenotify.patch | |
| [08:28] <wgrant> But I wonder what the chances of getting that into Intrepid are. | |
| [08:28] <wgrant> (I plan to seek upstream approval, of course) | |
| [08:29] <seb128> would be nice to bugzilla.gnome.org it | |
| [08:30] <seb128> if it's accepted upstream I see no issue to get it sru-ed in intrepid | |
| [08:30] <wgrant> Sure, I'll do that now. | |
| [08:30] <wgrant> Great, thanks! | |
| [08:30] <seb128> np, thanks for working on that ;-) | |
| [08:31] <seb128> wgrant: bug #223170, do you think there is gtk changes required there? | |
| [08:31] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 223170 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Trackpad scrolling is jerky and difficult to be precise with" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223170 | |
| [08:31] <wgrant> seb128: There are changes all over the stack. | |
| [08:31] <seb128> there is a gtk task open but I'm not sure if it makes sense | |
| [08:31] <wgrant> seb128: I suggest Won't Fixing it. | |
| [08:31] <seb128> ok | |
| [08:31] <wgrant> X doesn't do delta scrolling yet. | |
| [08:32] <wgrant> There was a discussion about it in July, and something might happen once axes can be annotated (XI2) | |
| [08:32] <wgrant> I think we should just wontfix it, as we're certainly not going to fix it here. | |
| [08:32] <seb128> ok | |
| [08:35] <wgrant> I suppose I should actually make the patch relevant to upstream before I submit it. | |
| [09:19] <crevette> hello | |
| [09:19] <crevette> hey it's time to update the topic :) | |
| === wgrant changed the topic of #ubuntu-x to: Ubuntu 8.10 released! | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X | |
| [09:59] <tjaalton> hehe, bug 290249 | |
| [09:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 290249 in xorg "[intrepid] failsafe xorg asks what to do after telling it already" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290249 | |
| [09:59] <tjaalton> a couple of dupes too, but the description on that one is charming | |
| [10:05] <wgrant> tjaalton: Do we have docs for setting resolutions in xorg.conf in Intrepid? | |
| [10:05] <wgrant> It's one of the big issues ATM | |
| [10:06] <wgrant> tjaalton: Haha, nice description. | |
| [10:06] <tjaalton> wgrant: the same as in hardy | |
| [10:07] <wgrant> tjaalton: Wasn't one meant to use displayconfig-gtk in Hardy? | |
| [10:07] <wgrant> I've not seen any docs recently on the wiki about it. | |
| [10:07] <tjaalton> oh | |
| [10:08] <tjaalton> there's no gui for it, that's knonw | |
| [10:08] <tjaalton> -wn | |
| [10:08] <wgrant> I know. | |
| [10:08] <wgrant> But I'd like to be able to get some docs out there. | |
| [10:09] <wgrant> As it is one of the most common questions now. | |
| [10:09] <tjaalton> so unless just setting the Modes isn't enough, it needs a Modeline as well | |
| [10:10] <wgrant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto looks like it should be the relevant page.... but that hurts. | |
| [10:10] <wgrant> That is so old it's not funny. | |
| [10:11] <tjaalton> heh, 915resolution | |
| [10:11] <wgrant> I think that page needs abolition. | |
| [10:11] <wgrant> Exactly. | |
| [10:11] <tjaalton> take it behind the shed | |
| [10:11] <wgrant> Those gconf keys also don't exist any more. | |
| [10:12] <wgrant> I'm going to chop pre-hardy bits out of it and see if anything is left over. | |
| [10:12] <tjaalton> great | |
| [11:05] <wgrant> tjaalton: I killed that page entirely, and added a new section to X/Config: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions | |
| [11:06] <wgrant> How does that latter one look? | |
| [11:07] <tjaalton> wgrant: better. Maybe add something about cvt and modelines? | |
| [11:08] <wgrant> tjaalton: Sure, I'll look that up. | |
| [11:08] <tjaalton> thanks | |
| [11:08] <wgrant> I haven't had to add a modeline for years! | |
| [11:09] <tjaalton> hmm, or force the HorizSync/VertRefresh values | |
| [11:09] <tjaalton> if that doesn't help, then a Modeline should | |
| [11:10] <wgrant> OTOH, my Internet connection seems to have gone incredibly slow, so I won't be doing any more tonight. | |
| [11:15] <crevette> wgrant, it lack a word in the setion you put "gksudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf" | |
| [11:15] <crevette> I'm correcting that | |
| [11:15] <wgrant> crevette: Blurgh, you're right. | |
| [11:16] <crevette> bah not a big problem :) | |
| [11:16] <wgrant> It should also say to reboot, probably. | |
| [11:16] <wgrant> I seem to be able to get about 20kbps inbound... | |
| [11:34] <Ng> so, on the subject of editing xorg.confs | |
| [11:34] <Ng> should a random person find themselves in need of doing so, chances are that these days they have nothing to work with | |
| [11:35] <Ng> given that X does actually construct a default one internally, and can dump it, could we maybe have it write something out to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.skeleton or so? | |
| [11:35] <Ng> then these "add modelines..." tutorials can start with "copy xorg.conf.skeleton to xorg.conf" | |
| [11:35] <tjaalton> dexconf -o foo | |
| [11:36] <tjaalton> the default installation still creates one | |
| [11:36] <Ng> huh, really? | |
| [11:36] <Ng> as xorg.conf? | |
| [11:36] <tjaalton> if they know how to delete it, they really should know how to bring it back :) | |
| [11:36] <tjaalton> yes | |
| [11:36] <Ng> is it just an empty skeleton? | |
| [11:37] * Ng retracts above wibbling | |
| [11:37] <tjaalton> pretty much | |
| [11:37] <tjaalton> just run that command to see | |
| [11:44] <Ng> yeah, that's fine :) | |
| [11:44] * Ng whistles and goes back to not wasting peoples' time ;) | |
| [11:47] <tjaalton> hehe | |
| [14:56] <Q-FUNK> howdy | |
| [14:56] <Q-FUNK> could someone look at Bug #287462 ? | |
| [14:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287462 in gnome-settings-daemon "Intrepid: left-handed mouse setting forgotten after resuming from sleep/hibernation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287462 | |
| [14:57] <Q-FUNK> I had marked it as g-s-d, but it could also be caused by the new inputdev | |
| [14:57] <Q-FUNK> I wouldn't know for sure | |
| [14:59] <Q-FUNK> seb128: since you're also on the desktop team, would you know which package Bug #287462 should be assigned to? | |
| [14:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287462 in gnome-settings-daemon "Intrepid: left-handed mouse setting forgotten after resuming from sleep/hibernation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287462 | |
| [15:00] <seb128> gsd seems to be correct | |
| [15:01] <Q-FUNK> ok | |
| [15:01] <Q-FUNK> I wasn't sure. | |
| [15:02] <Q-FUNK> for all I know, the migration from x-input-kbd to the generic inputdev might have done it. | |
| [15:02] <seb128> that's similar to the bug wgrant is working on | |
| [15:02] <Q-FUNK> it's pretty much the only thing preventing me from upgrading to intrepid. | |
| [15:02] <seb128> gnome bug #558644 | |
| [15:02] <ubottu> Gnome bug 558644 in plugins "Hotplugged mice not reconfigured" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558644 | |
| [15:02] <Q-FUNK> other than that, intrepid looks like a fantastic release :) | |
| [15:04] <Q-FUNK> seb128: seems to match my problem fairly closely. I'm guessing that on the way back from sleep/hibernate, the mouse is seen as a new device all over again and then loses its settings. | |
| [15:04] <Q-FUNK> should I point my bug to that upstream? | |
| [15:04] <Q-FUNK> even thoguh it's not quite the same, they indeed seem related | |
| [15:05] <seb128> I think there is some bug about that already on launchpad, ask to wgrant | |
| [15:05] <seb128> otherwise add bug watch to this one | |
| [15:08] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: can you confirm or mark as duplicate? | |
| [15:44] <tseliot> mvo, bryce: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19130338/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.gnome-control-center_1:2.24.0.1-0ubuntu7.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | |
| [15:46] <mvo> tseliot: hppa ... | |
| [15:46] <mvo> :) | |
| [15:47] <tseliot> mvo: shall we ignore it? | |
| [15:49] <mvo> yes | |
| [15:49] <mvo> hppa is a bit of a problem currently, a lot of FTBFS | |
| [15:51] <tseliot> ah, ok | |