| [00:55] <davidm_> hmm seems to work | |
| [00:56] <ogra> why shouldnt it ? :) | |
| [01:33] <davidm> ogra, I was testing a CD image | |
| [01:34] <davidm> so that was kde in kvm | |
| [01:34] <ogra> ah | |
| [01:34] <ogra> well, umpc is good for release | |
| [02:09] <StevenK> Hmmm. My -mid install is behaving wierd | |
| [02:10] <ogra> how ? | |
| [02:11] <StevenK> "client 1 rejected from local host" | |
| [02:11] <ogra> xorg ? | |
| [02:11] <ogra> i didnt have that | |
| [02:12] <stgraber> did you break your .Xauthority or /etc/hosts ? | |
| [02:12] <stgraber> (I had similar issues when NM went crazy and rewrote my hosts file) | |
| [02:12] <ogra> it doesnt do that anymore though | |
| [02:13] <stgraber> indeed | |
| [02:14] <StevenK> Hmm | |
| [02:14] <StevenK> Let me boot it again | |
| [02:14] <ogra> was that in the livefs ? | |
| [02:14] <StevenK> No, the installed system | |
| [02:18] <StevenK> /etc/hosts looks fine | |
| [02:18] <StevenK> I didn't touch .Xauthority | |
| [02:18] <ogra> still the error ? | |
| [02:19] <StevenK> Right | |
| [02:19] <ogra> bah | |
| [02:20] <ogra> whats the falout of that error ? do you get the desktop ? | |
| [02:20] <StevenK> Nope | |
| [02:20] <StevenK> Just the X cursor | |
| [02:24] <ogra> weird | |
| [02:24] <ogra> it defintely worked for me | |
| [02:24] <StevenK> On an installed system? | |
| [02:24] <ogra> as well as for loic | |
| [02:24] <ogra> ye | |
| [02:24] <ogra> s | |
| [02:25] <StevenK> I'm happy to put it down to me doing something dumb and trying again | |
| [02:39] <davidm> StevenK, let me know your results when you retest | |
| [02:40] <StevenK> davidm: Shall do. Finding lunch first. | |
| [04:22] <davidm> StevenK, status? | |
| [04:25] <StevenK> davidm: Watching the install | |
| [04:25] <davidm> OK | |
| [04:34] <StevenK> davidm: Reproducable on second install. :-( | |
| [04:36] <davidm> StevenK, what is different for you? | |
| [04:36] <StevenK> davidm: I'm not sure -- I went through the install like usual | |
| [04:36] <davidm> I'm confused why you have issues and lool and ogra did not | |
| [04:37] <StevenK> As am I | |
| [04:37] <davidm> Try and debug and keep me posted | |
| [04:46] <StevenK> davidm: Right. Setting tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda1 and rebooting helped. | |
| [04:47] <StevenK> davidm: Which is just a fault of the device I'm installing on having so little drive space. | |
| [04:50] <davidm> Ah | |
| [04:50] <davidm> df -h | |
| [04:51] <StevenK> davidm: Before the tune2fs, available was 0 | |
| [04:51] <davidm> Ah, tht could be the problem then | |
| [04:52] <StevenK> Right. So, setting the reserved percentage to 0% gave 70 odd MB free and after a reboot, X worked | |
| [04:58] <davidm> did we have a howto to convert the USB image to a iso image? | |
| [04:59] <StevenK> I'm not sure that we can do that. | |
| [05:00] <davidm> Ah, OK. Seems like it should be possible but maybe not tonight | |
| [05:01] <StevenK> It's probably doable, we just don't provide tools or a howto | |
| [05:48] <pururu> is release date for ubuntu-mobile same as ubuntu ? | |
| [05:49] <pururu> ... and wtf is ubuntu-umpc lol | |
| [05:55] <Burgundavia> pururu: a version of ubuntu mobiile for things like eee | |
| [05:57] <pururu> wow cool, is it optimized for SSD by default? (like disabling logging to ssd and such) | |
| [05:58] <pururu> and mounting ext2 with noatime | |
| [05:58] <pururu> also midbrowser shoulbe replaced with firefox | |
| [05:59] <pururu> imho | |
| [06:00] <pururu> mmm... and how netbook remix mix into these distros? lol | |
| [06:14] <Burgundavia> netbook remix is a canonical thingy, not an ubuntu one | |
| [06:14] <Burgundavia> some technologies are crossing over | |
| [11:28] <crevette> hello | |
| [11:29] <ogra> hey crevette | |
| [11:29] <persia> hey crevette | |
| [11:29] <ogra> happy release day ! | |
| [11:29] <ogra> persia, to you too | |
| [11:29] <crevette> hello ogra & persia | |
| [11:29] <crevette> is it allowed to push fixes or not ? because I have a bug in gnome-user-share due to a bug in obex-data-server | |
| [11:29] * ogra sees #ubuntu-release-party slowly moving over the 400 ppl mark | |
| [11:30] <crevette> I laready reported the bug upstream few days ago and it was fixes | |
| [11:30] <ogra> crevette, it will need an SRU bug | |
| [11:30] <persia> crevette, The issue with not being able to send from the phone to the PC? | |
| [11:30] <crevette> persia, not this one, but a minor one | |
| [11:30] <persia> crevette, Which bug? | |
| [11:30] <crevette> no notification on file reception | |
| [11:30] <crevette> I didn't had time to opena bug in LP I was doing it right now | |
| [11:31] <crevette> blame me | |
| [11:31] * crevette would lie to be an OSS company unemploye :) | |
| [11:32] <crevette> persia, moving obex-data-server to 0.4.1 solved my problems in file recption | |
| [11:32] <crevette> :) | |
| [11:32] <crevette> it is extrem but efficient in my case | |
| [11:33] <persia> Yeah. My thought was to do that for Jaunty. For the new small issue, do you think it's worth fixing in intrepid? | |
| [11:35] <crevette> file recption seems to not work for some people, I would like if it affect only nokia user | |
| [11:35] <crevette> Mine is nokia, and I seen another nokia user | |
| [11:36] <ogra> who has nokia phones anyway :) | |
| [11:36] <crevette> yeah, just some foolish people | |
| [11:50] <persia> Team meeting in 10 minutes | |
| [11:51] <ogra> really ? | |
| [11:51] <ogra> do we really hold one on release day ? | |
| [11:53] <persia> Should be short :) | |
| [11:54] <ogra> right ... | |
| [12:26] <crevette> persia, not being able to receive files is not a small issue for me | |
| [12:26] <crevette> :) | |
| [12:27] <persia> crevette, heh. Makes sense. Did you open the bug? | |
| [12:27] <crevette> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/obex-data-server/+bug/289487 | |
| [12:27] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 289487 in obex-data-server "Unable to received files" [Undecided,New] | |
| [12:29] <persia> crevette, Does it need the full upgrade, or can a patch be extracted? | |
| [12:29] <Burgundavia> the latest ubuntu-umpc image hangs in QEMU when it hits the desktop | |
| [12:30] <crevette> persia, that what I would like to know too, I try to extract a diff between our snapshot and the current version, but I'm unable do that | |
| [12:30] <crevette> I"m using the web interface cause I'm using windows now | |
| [12:30] <crevette> :) | |
| [12:30] <persia> crevette, Aha! ping me when you have a chance to look at it in better circumstances, and I'll help try to get the patch into intrepid. | |
| [12:31] <crevette> perhaps the easiest thing is too find the root cause of the problem, and see if a fix is applicable on top of our snapshot | |
| [12:32] <crevette> because moving to 0.4.1 will bring us on unknow road :) | |
| [12:32] <crevette> I think fedora is using 0.4. | |
| [12:33] <crevette> persia, as said before, my available time is tiny, I'm on lucnh break now, that's why I have some time now | |
| [12:33] <crevette> tonight I won't have time to look to this | |
| [12:35] <persia> crevette, Understood. A few days either way isn't critical, as we're hard-frozen for release anyway. | |
| [12:35] <crevette> yep | |
| [12:35] <CaPriCoRN^80> hi | |
| [12:35] <crevette> but I don't think this is possible to change version during a stable release | |
| [12:35] <crevette> right? | |
| [12:36] <CaPriCoRN^80> i like to join ubuntu team to work with them through some mean . I have network experience like LAN/WAN , router , switches and configuration of different servers on linux and solaris | |
| [12:37] <Burgundavia> crevette: getting a new version would require a SRU and I don;t see one being granted for a whole new version | |
| [12:37] <persia> crevette, It's possible, but finding the specific change we want is easier to get approved. | |
| [12:37] <crevette> yeah I understand | |
| [12:37] <persia> None of the people here can approve any patch, so it's best to minimise it before we submit it. | |
| [12:59] <lool> CaPriCoRN^80: Which image did you try out so far? | |
| [13:00] <persia> CaPriCoRN^80, As you raised this during the Mobile meeting, did you want to work on stuff for the MID and UMPC flavours, or just help out more generally? | |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-afk | |
| [13:22] <CaPriCoRN^80> lool: image ? | |
| [13:22] <CaPriCoRN^80> sorry i didnt know about the meeting | |
| [13:22] <CaPriCoRN^80> sorry for disturbing | |
| [13:23] <CaPriCoRN^80> persia: i dont know about MID and UMPC | |
| [13:24] <persia> CaPriCoRN^80, OK. What sort of thing do you want to do? | |
| [13:29] <crevette> :) | |
| [13:29] <CaPriCoRN^80> persia: well i am not sure what type of work is available | |
| [13:29] <CaPriCoRN^80> little confused on that | |
| [13:30] <CaPriCoRN^80> but i am not a good developer | |
| [13:30] <CaPriCoRN^80> so perhaps i can cut that thing | |
| [13:31] <persia> CaPriCoRN^80, Maybe you could help track down bugs? | |
| [13:31] <CaPriCoRN^80> persia: that will be good | |
| [13:31] <CaPriCoRN^80> persia: i have to do this along with my studies | |
| [13:32] <persia> CaPriCoRN^80, I'm going to suggest you join #ubuntu-bugs, and read the contents of the /topic. That's a great way to get started. | |
| [13:32] <CaPriCoRN^80> persia: ok | |
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| === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 | |
| [15:55] <ian_brasil> @all: congrats on the release! | |
| [15:57] <p0rky> есть кто из русскоязычных? | |
| [15:59] <ian_brasil> p0rky:no, its english here | |
| [17:25] <lool> amitk: Would it make sense to switch initrd to squashfs? | |
| [17:25] <lool> It would mean building the module in the kernel, but I don't think it's a big deal | |
| [17:25] <lool> However I think it could help performance from USB key and hard disk; not sure about ssd | |
| === fta_ is now known as fta | |
| [18:45] <smp4488> when will the next image be released? | |
| [18:46] <ogra> in 6 months | |
| [18:46] <ian_brasil> ha ha | |
| [18:46] <smp4488> no i heard the new kernel was released today | |
| [18:47] * ogra still had no chance to check the ubuntu-umpc final url | |
| [18:47] <ogra> there is no way to get to cdimage.ubuntu.com | |
| [18:52] <ian_brasil> nor me...but that is not suprising | |
| [18:59] <ogra> well, i'D like to know its where it belongs :) | |
| [19:02] <tonyyarusso> Hi, could someone explain the process that was used in preparing the MID img? I'd like to make bootable USB keys of other architectures and versions. | |
| [19:09] <ogra> tonyyarusso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageCreation | |
| [19:09] <tonyyarusso> excellent | |
| [19:41] <persia> tonyyarusso, You may also be interested in the usb-creator utility, for flavours that come on CD | |
| [19:41] <ogra> well, that wont get him MID :) | |
| [19:43] <tonyyarusso> That actually looks fairly promising. | |
| [19:50] <lool> tonyyarusso: What arch(es) are you interested in? | |
| [19:51] <tonyyarusso> lool: i386 and amd64 primarily. (I know, I'm boring) | |
| [19:51] <tonyyarusso> Basically just wanting to make live and/or install CDs in USB stick format | |
| [19:52] <lool> tonyyarusso: I'm not sure building an i386 image is a good idea | |
| [19:52] <lool> tonyyarusso: Oh you just want to use an ISO on an USB stick? | |
| [19:52] <lool> tonyyarusso: There's a tool for that in intrepid | |
| [19:52] <lool> tonyyarusso: usb-creator | |
| [19:53] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'm thinking I'll try that. | |
| [20:19] <amitk> lool: squashfs for intrepid or jaunty? | |
| [20:19] <lool> amitk: jaunty!! | |
| [20:20] <lool> amitk: I was thinking that it was kind of sad to use the ancient cramfs for initrd | |
| [20:20] <lool> When squashfs is theoritically superior | |
| [20:21] <amitk> lool: we already have squashfs as a module, so building it in shouldn't be a problem | |
| [20:22] <lool> amitk: Hmm I wonder whether the kernel knows mounting initrd when they are squashfs? | |
| [20:39] <ogra> lool, i doubt that | |
| [20:39] <ogra> and i'D expect more overhead | |
| [20:39] <lool> ogra: How so? | |
| [20:40] <ogra> no idea, would need tests, just a guess | |
| [20:40] <lool> Well it's faster than cramfs in benchmarks I've seen | |
| [20:40] <lool> See squashfs inclusion in this week's lwn | |
| [20:41] <ogra> haha, fedore moves the X server | |
| [20:42] <ogra> s/e/a/ | |
| [20:42] <ogra> i havent had time this week to look at lwn yet | |
| [20:42] <lool> Yeah, and I'm afraid it makes sense | |
| [20:44] <ogra> sure it does | |
| [20:46] <ogra> well, i'm a big squashfs fan, we use squashfs images in ltsp because of this ;) i wouldnt object having update-initramfs using a -squash switch :) | |
| [20:46] <ogra> but i assume ram and CPU requirements might be higher than cramfs | |
| [20:46] <ogra> booting the current -generic kernel requires about 48M (including initramfs) | |
| [20:47] <lool> ogra: The initrd is thrown away, so I'm not worried about ram | |
| [20:48] <ogra> well, wearing my ltsp hat i am :) | |
| [20:48] <lool> and concerning cpu, I'd expect it to be a net win in the end in terms of boot speed as we have CPU at this stage usually | |
| [20:48] <lool> ogra: We're only speaking of initrd here | |
| [20:48] <ogra> right | |
| [20:48] <lool> I wouldn't expect ram usage to be anywhere high during initrd | |
| [20:48] <ogra> with early compcache in initrd i am able to boot a 32M client | |
| [20:49] <ogra> without it i need at least 48M | |
| [20:49] <ogra> the kerne alone takes about 10M before even loading initrd into ram | |
| [20:50] <ogra> or even more, its a while ago that i looked | |
| [20:50] <ogra> for mobile i fully agree its a good thing | |
| [20:50] <ogra> since we will rarely see 32M devices :) | |
| === ogra changed the topic of #ubuntu-mobile to: Ubuntu Mobile | FAQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ | UMPC img http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/release/ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img | MID img http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img | |
| [21:32] <ogra> .oO( fixed the image links to the proper release files ) | |
| === merriam_ is now known as merriam | |