| [00:29] <popey> ogra: don't suppose you know how to switch _off_ the "maximise all windows and have no decorations" feature of ubuntu mobile do you? | |
| [01:26] <superm1> Hi folks, i Had a question regarding ubuntu-mobile. Is there a particular reason that the "dark" look was chosen and deviates from standard Ubuntu look? | |
| [02:27] <persia> superm1, No special reason : mostly to make it look different. There are a couple theme tweaks, but nothing that couldn't be applied to a different theme. | |
| [02:28] <persia> popey, It's a gconf key : I believe it's in /desktop/ somewhere. I can hunt it down later if you don't find it easily. | |
| [02:28] <superm1> persia, so i take it enough apps look well in the dark theme to make it justifiable then? i had assumed that was the reason that standard didn't go dark in the end | |
| [02:29] <persia> At least the basic apps in the image displayed reasonably. I think there was significantly less testing and review than for Ubuntu Desktop, so it may be that some things are unsuitable. | |
| [02:30] <persia> For the most part, a dark theme can work fairly well, at least from listening to reports from Ubuntu Studio users, although it may not work as well for *everything*, and Ubuntu Desktop has a much wider userbase than anything else. | |
| [02:30] <superm1> well for what it's worth, the devices i was mentioning the other day are 1024x600, so those teams will be giving it a look | |
| [02:30] <superm1> but if anywhere that's the resistance that i'd suspect | |
| [02:31] <persia> You might do a diff between NewHuman and NewHumanMobile. I suspect the same changes would work simply if applied against Human rather than NewHuman. | |
| [02:32] <superm1> well the ideal solution will be not having to make any changes :), so i'll just hold off offering that as a suggestion for now to them | |
| [02:35] <persia> Yeah, it's just that with the archive frozen, no changes or updates are being published. | |
| [02:35] <persia> And when SRUs start (Thursday or Friday I think), putting in a new theme package would be tricky. | |
| [02:36] <superm1> well odds are if the only complaint is theming, it will be a factory only change | |
| [02:36] <superm1> but in planning for jaunty, i was mostly curious for if there was a big driving reason behind it | |
| [02:38] <persia> It looked nice? | |
| [02:39] <persia> Really, it's more a collection of input by various interested parties, rather than any specific guided product : the goal is to make something that is interesting and useful for the people that use it. | |
| [02:41] <superm1> well i'll pass on any feedback that I get after they look at it. it will be a little bit until i get it likely though given their current schedule | |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | |
| === persia_ is now known as persia | |
| [10:34] <popey> persia: thanks, I'll have a rummage | |
| [10:36] <ogra> popey, not a gconf key | |
| [10:36] <ogra> go to system->preferences->sessions, uncheck devilspie ... re-login | |
| [10:38] <persia> ogra, devilspie doesn't store that stuff in gconf? | |
| [10:38] <ogra> nope | |
| [10:38] <popey> perfect | |
| [10:38] <ogra> it uses a config file | |
| [10:38] <popey> thanks ogra | |
| [10:38] <popey> I "converted" my ubuntu mobile install on the e900 to an ubuntu desktop install | |
| [10:38] <persia> popey, My apologies for the misdirection. | |
| [10:39] <ogra> it has its own markup language to do anything you want with a WM window | |
| [10:39] <popey> no worries persia - I hadn't got as far as gconf anyway :) | |
| [10:39] <persia> popey, Screen too big for all-maximised-all-the-time ? | |
| [10:39] <popey> it's only a 9" screen, but I prefer gnomey stuff | |
| [10:39] <ogra> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-mobile-default-settings ;) | |
| [10:40] <persia> It is all gnomey stuff, but with gconf fiddling :) | |
| [10:40] <ogra> kill your user .gconf dir and you should mainly have a default ubuntu desktop | |
| [10:40] <popey> if I had a touch screen mini thing then yes, I'd probably go ubuntu mobile but as the eee 900 is kinda a "proper" big boys computer, i prefer a gnome desktop | |
| [10:40] <persia> popey, You *really* want to purge the default-settings package then : that does all the gconf magic to make it look different. | |
| [10:40] <popey> i have manually tweaked everything, turning it into a real web book - removing most of the local apps | |
| [10:41] <popey> yeah, that went early on :) | |
| [10:41] <popey> sorry chaps, don't mean to distract you from important release type stuff with my eee tales :) | |
| [10:41] <ogra> hmm, the devilspie config should have gone with uninstalling ubuntu-mobile-default-settings | |
| [10:41] <persia> At this point, we're just testing images, so not a problem. It's always good to hear from users. | |
| [10:41] <ogra> so you shouldnt have any maximized undecorated windows anymore | |
| [10:41] <persia> popey, You might want to just purge devilspie. | |
| [10:42] <popey> yes, ubuntu-mobile-default-settings is definitely already removed, but devilspie remained | |
| [10:42] <ogra> well, devilspie shouldnt sart without a config file ... and that config sits in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings | |
| [10:42] <ogra> so i wonder whats going on there | |
| [10:43] <ogra> i guess you didnt purge :) | |
| [10:43] <popey> yes, status is rc | |
| [10:43] <ogra> so the configs stay in place | |
| [10:43] <popey> well spotted | |
| [10:44] <ian_brasil> ogra: i tracked down the expensive GTKDrawing call in the NewHumanMobile theme to it setting rgba to TRUE in the murrine engine. | |
| [10:44] <ogra> apt-get remove --purge cellwriter devilspie xautomation xserver-xorg-input-evtounch netbook-launcher ... | |
| [10:44] <ogra> then all mobile specific pieces should be gone | |
| [10:44] <ogra> ian_brasil, ah, might be worth an SRU, though i have to check how the look changes | |
| [10:45] <ian_brasil> setting this to FALSE brins it back in line with the others...you loose opacity but i mthink it looks ok | |
| [10:46] <ogra> s/opacity/transparency/ * | |
| [10:46] <ogra> ? | |
| [10:46] <ian_brasil> yes right transparency...rgba calls it opacity for some reason | |
| [10:49] <ian_brasil> what is SRU? | |
| [10:51] <ogra> stable release update :) | |
| [10:52] <ogra> post release change through an update ... we cant change the image contants anymore | |
| [10:52] <ogra> *contents | |
| === lool changed the topic of #ubuntu-mobile to: Ubuntu Mobile | FAQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ | UMPC img http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current | MID img http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ | |
| [15:02] <vbatts> ogra: ping | |
| [15:02] <ogra> vbatts, pong | |
| === Sciri__ is now known as Sciri | |
| === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away | |
| === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL | |
| === ubott2 is now known as ubottu | |