| [00:07] <Riddell> hugs to rgreening and a|wen for testing! | |
| [00:07] <Riddell> and whoever adder1972 is | |
| [00:07] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: My 14 year old daughter is doing a dist-upgrade test for us. | |
| [00:08] <Riddell> hugs to ScottK-laptop's daughter! | |
| [00:08] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: She could follow the instructions just fine and she's not very technical. | |
| [00:08] <rgreening> np. still doing more.. just waiting fer dl to complete on DVD and CD | |
| [00:08] <rgreening> gj Riddell on the clear/concide docs | |
| [00:09] * a|wen hugs rgreening, Riddell, ScottK-laptop's daughter :) | |
| [00:09] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: You stay away from my daughter. | |
| [00:09] * ScottK-laptop doesn't allow that sort of thing. | |
| [00:09] <ScottK-laptop> ;-) | |
| [00:12] * a|wen is scout troop leader for kids that age ... they deserve a hug when they do something good :P | |
| [00:12] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: and dist-upgrade testing surely is in that category :) | |
| [00:13] <ScottK-laptop> That's abusive parenting. Different issue. | |
| [00:13] <a|wen> haha | |
| [00:14] <ScottK-laptop> If launchpad is serving unsigned .dsc files, that's a problem, right? | |
| [00:14] <ScottK-laptop> Someone tell me if they see a gpg signature on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/spamassassin/3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1/+files/spamassassin_3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1.dsc | |
| [00:16] <JontheEchidna> that looks pretty much like plaintext to me | |
| [00:16] <ScottK-laptop> OK. | |
| [00:17] <a|wen> at least it is sent over a SSL connection with proper certificates | |
| [00:19] <ScottK-laptop> Actually it isn't. | |
| [00:19] <ScottK-laptop> That link will redirect to launchpadlibrarian which is http. | |
| [00:20] <a|wen> oh ... that's bad then | |
| [00:20] * a|wen thinks he should be notified by that by kate | |
| [00:34] <a|wen> hmm; opening a http link from konversation doesn't work on a fresh 8.10 install ... after installing firefox opening links now works (they open in firefox) | |
| [00:41] <Riddell> how strange | |
| [00:42] <a|wen> Riddell: seems ScottK know it as well, bug 271598 | |
| [00:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271598 | |
| [00:45] * NCommander needs someone to beat me | |
| [00:45] <NCommander> I broke KDE on lpia :-/ | |
| [00:46] <NCommander> ScottK, you floating around | |
| [00:47] <NCommander> wait | |
| [00:47] <NCommander> WOOO | |
| [00:47] <txwikinger2> Where die the cube effect go? | |
| [00:47] <txwikinger2> did | |
| [00:47] <NCommander> I'm not responsible for the kde4bindings FTBFS! | |
| [00:48] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger2: patch was causing regressions so it was reverted | |
| [00:48] <txwikinger2> Ah | |
| [00:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah :( | |
| [00:49] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, well, at least I determined I didn't break the lpia KDE (Soyuz did that on its own) | |
| [00:50] <JontheEchidna> hehe | |
| [00:50] * Hobbsee glares at the uni | |
| [00:50] <txwikinger2> What's wrong with the Uni? | |
| [00:50] <Hobbsee> looks like they've put in a harder firewall | |
| [00:51] <Hobbsee> looks like they're only allowing 80, 443, and 22 only inside uni | |
| [00:51] <txwikinger2> A firewall is just an invitation for circumvention | |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | |
| [00:52] <Hobbsee> that's true | |
| [00:52] <a|wen> Hobbsee: ssh -D is your friend then | |
| [00:52] <Hobbsee> but I can't even ping outside the uni... | |
| [00:52] <txwikinger> well.. stopping ping is easy | |
| [00:53] <Hobbsee> a|wen: how exactly do I use that? | |
| [00:54] <a|wen> Hobbsee: "ssh -D 8080 example.com" ... you now have a socks proxy on localhost:8080 through your ssh-connection | |
| [00:54] <txwikinger> you can also an ajax ssh aplication | |
| [00:55] <txwikinger> run | |
| [00:55] <Hobbsee> a|wen: but, what port do i use to get into the example? | |
| [00:55] <txwikinger> the one that goes through the Uni proxy | |
| [00:55] <Hobbsee> so 80 or 443. right. | |
| [00:56] <txwikinger> Or are you saying that they allow no surfing outside the uni anymore? | |
| [00:56] <a|wen> Hobbsee: start by issuing the command (replacing example.com with whatever your server outside uni is called) ... now open interned settings, tick socks proxy and write "localhost:8080" | |
| [00:57] <a|wen> s/interned/internet/ | |
| [00:57] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: they only do on 80 and 443. | |
| [00:58] <a|wen> Hobbsee: oh ... the ssh -D only solves your problem if port 22 is open | |
| [00:58] <Hobbsee> a|wen: that's what I thought. | |
| [00:58] <txwikinger> Well, you need to have a server outside that runs sshd on port 80 | |
| [00:59] <txwikinger> or 443 | |
| [00:59] <txwikinger> that's how I did it before | |
| [00:59] <txwikinger> or that has a firewall that does the reverse translation | |
| [00:59] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: do i need to do anything special if i put it on 443? | |
| [01:00] <txwikinger> No | |
| [01:00] <txwikinger> You can configure sshd on any port | |
| [01:00] <txwikinger> As usual, only root can allocate ports <1000 | |
| [01:00] <txwikinger> but that is the same as 22 | |
| [01:01] <Hobbsee> still no dice. | |
| [01:01] <Hobbsee> debug1: Connecting to hobbsee.com [64.62.190.244] port 443. | |
| [01:02] <txwikinger> what is running on that port on hobbsee.com? | |
| [01:03] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: sshd, it should be. | |
| [01:03] <txwikinger> and you do ssh -p 443 <username>@hobbsee.com ? | |
| [01:04] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: yes | |
| [01:04] <txwikinger> well.. that should usually work | |
| [01:04] <Hobbsee> that's what I would have thought. | |
| [01:04] <a|wen> Hobbsee: you changed /etc/ssh/sshd_config and not /etc/ssh/ssh_config right? | |
| [01:05] <Hobbsee> a|wen: yes. | |
| [01:05] <txwikinger> and restarted it | |
| [01:05] <Hobbsee> yees | |
| [01:05] <txwikinger> :) | |
| [01:05] <Hobbsee> :) | |
| [01:06] <Hobbsee> oh, i suck. | |
| [01:06] <txwikinger> Am I allowed to test it with my sniffer on? | |
| [01:06] * txwikinger does not ping other peoples machines without permission | |
| [01:06] * Hobbsee pokes a hole in the firewall | |
| [01:10] <Hobbsee> i win. Thanks guys! | |
| [01:10] <txwikinger> you are welcome | |
| [01:11] <Hobbsee> so I can tunnel over 443. | |
| [01:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh, nice konversation :) | |
| [01:12] <a|wen> no problem | |
| [01:12] <Hobbsee> for future reference, sudo ssh -p443 -fND 3456 user@host.com works. | |
| [01:13] <a|wen> :) | |
| [01:14] * Hobbsee has an evil thought | |
| [01:14] <Hobbsee> now that i've proxied out...perhaps time to rsync the iso's again? :) | |
| [01:15] <txwikinger> Hehe | |
| [01:15] <a|wen> remember it should be the dvd iso ;) | |
| [01:16] <NCommander> how goes things Hobbsee | |
| [01:16] <Hobbsee> NCommander: well, now thta i've managed to poke a hole thru the arcane uni firewall, which has got even *more* restricted before, pretty good. | |
| [01:17] <a|wen> no more testing for me now ... goodnight everyone | |
| [01:19] <rgreening> nite | |
| [01:19] <rgreening> :) | |
| [01:19] <txwikinger> o/ rgreening | |
| [01:20] <rgreening> 'lo | |
| [01:20] <rgreening> :P | |
| [01:21] <txwikinger> why :p? | |
| [01:22] <rgreening> no reason. just being funny .. | |
| [01:22] <txwikinger> Ah :) | |
| [01:22] <rgreening> \o | |
| [01:23] * rgreening is giving his hard drive a workout installing/testing these iso's | |
| [01:24] <Riddell> anyone got any windows machines? wubi needs testing | |
| [01:24] * txwikinger wonders what a windows machine is :) | |
| [01:24] * txwikinger has only one laptop atm | |
| [01:25] * rgreening windows free since '93 | |
| [01:25] <rgreening> :) | |
| [01:25] <txwikinger> Where is MooDoo when you need him | |
| [01:25] <txwikinger> probably sleeping | |
| [01:27] <rgreening> 2.7 of 3.6 Gig dl of DVD... | |
| [01:27] * txwikinger does not even try that | |
| [01:27] <rgreening> lol | |
| [01:27] <txwikinger> I have only 50kB/s atm | |
| [01:28] <rgreening> 8Mbps at home (Cable Internet) | |
| [01:28] <txwikinger> It is cable here too | |
| [01:28] <txwikinger> 500kbps or so | |
| [01:29] <txwikinger> I need to get my own place again :D | |
| [01:29] <rgreening> I'm gettin 300-400KB on the DVD | |
| [01:30] <txwikinger> I think you can get mobile Internet here with 2Mbps | |
| [01:30] <rgreening> that not bad | |
| [01:30] <txwikinger> and fixed up to 18Mbps or so | |
| [03:26] <nixternal> oi, got a presentation on saturday introducing ibex to chicago...there is a lot of info on Ubuntu 8.10, but not for Kubuntu 8.10 | |
| [03:26] <nixternal> GNOME does much better marketing oriented release notes than KDE does I noticed | |
| [03:26] <rgreening> heh | |
| [03:27] <rgreening> we need writers/marketing doods | |
| [03:32] <nixternal> I am one of the writers, but I think the marketing people control the release notes | |
| [03:32] <nixternal> remember, devs != marketers...that's the problem with FLOSS | |
| [03:51] * rgreening should have said weneed ""more"" | |
| [03:51] <rgreening> :) | |
| [03:59] <nixternal> hehe | |
| [03:59] <ScottK-laptop> "Ubuntu Cruft Cleaner - Now 98% more efficient" | |
| [04:03] <vorian> my head asplode | |
| [04:06] <rgreening> :) | |
| [04:06] * rgreening still testing iso's... iso sore... | |
| [04:17] * ScottK-laptop finally got the kid's computer booted in Intrepid. | |
| [04:17] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks NCommander. | |
| [04:17] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I highly recommend you never turn that machine off :-P | |
| [04:17] <ScottK-laptop> Of course I had to cannabalize the LCD monitor from my wife's computer to do it. | |
| [04:18] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah, well never ship a new kernel and I'll never reboot it. | |
| [04:18] <ScottK-laptop> So I cranked the resolution down. Now I'll switch back. | |
| [04:19] <NCommander> rofl | |
| [04:19] <ScottK-laptop> You promised me a boot option to fix this .... | |
| [04:20] <NCommander> possible | |
| [04:20] <NCommander> I don't know of any offhand | |
| [04:21] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well I either plugged the monitor back in or bent a bunch of pins. I'll know in a minute | |
| [04:22] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: There's a BIOS option for hard disk pre-delay. Does cranking that up help here? | |
| [04:25] <ScottK-laptop> And how is it usplash knows enough to determine the right display mode, but X doesn't? | |
| [04:27] <ScottK-laptop> It's back to display out of range again after the reboot. | |
| [04:27] * ScottK-laptop reads man xrandr | |
| [04:30] <ScottK-laptop> Urgh | |
| [04:31] <ScottK-laptop> xrandr only works when you're in the running X session. | |
| [04:31] * ScottK-laptop is running short on ideas. | |
| [04:35] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Monitor specs say Max Resolution - 1600 x 1200 / 75 Hz | |
| [04:37] <NCommander> ScottK, it reads it from a config file | |
| [04:37] <NCommander> ScottK, you might need to manually hack your xorg file | |
| [04:37] <ScottK-laptop> Urgh. | |
| [04:37] <ScottK-laptop> But I don wanna | |
| [04:39] <ScottK-laptop> Once it boots again I'll look through the old ones and see if anything seems appealing. | |
| [04:39] * NCommander nods | |
| [04:40] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: boot into safe mode, go into system settings, and then advanced, and then services...uncheck that randr crap | |
| [04:40] <NCommander> You probably need to set the resolution | |
| [04:40] <nixternal> that fixed my issues this week | |
| [04:40] <nixternal> krandr == shit | |
| [04:40] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: What did you install instead? | |
| [04:40] <nixternal> I just disabled randr monitor checking in system settings and my monitor came back to life | |
| [04:40] <rgreening> intel vid cards rule in Linux | |
| [04:40] <nixternal> that they do :) | |
| [04:41] <rgreening> never an issuew 4 me | |
| [04:41] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: That's what I've got. | |
| [04:41] <nixternal> I had one, but that was a krandr issue | |
| [04:41] <rgreening> bizarre | |
| [04:41] <rgreening> amy xorg error | |
| [04:41] <nixternal> krandr couldn't configure itself to save its own ass | |
| [04:41] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: I can't get into a kdm session to do that without switching monitors. | |
| [04:42] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: I've been throught reconfiguring | |
| [04:42] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: you can't even set a bogus modeline in xorg.conf to let you in? | |
| [04:42] <rgreening> oh, is it a855 gm or older? | |
| [04:42] <ScottK-laptop> D945 | |
| [04:42] <rgreening> hmm.. should auto fine | |
| [04:43] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: grep 'kcmrandrrc_display_applyonstartup' ~/.kde/share/config | |
| [04:43] <nixternal> does it return true or false? | |
| [04:43] <ScottK-laptop> Auto's fine with the LCD off my wife's computer. Not with the monitor that's normally on it. | |
| [04:43] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Will check | |
| [04:43] <rgreening> oh..nthatd edid | |
| [04:43] <nixternal> yowsers, what does that say? :) | |
| [04:43] <rgreening> thats edid probing. disable it | |
| [04:44] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: False | |
| [04:44] <nixternal> hrmm | |
| [04:45] <rgreening> Tomb Raider Anniversary rox... oh Laura... | |
| [04:46] <ScottK-laptop> Well none of the old xorg.conf's laying around do anything other than specif keyboard. | |
| [04:47] <ScottK-laptop> specif/specify | |
| [04:48] <nixternal> see if the kcmrandrrc [Screen...] lines are commented out in ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig | |
| [04:49] <nixternal> it is one of them damn randr settings..has to be | |
| [04:49] <nixternal> mine are commented out in startupconfig....if that doesn't help, then boot up with the lcd and then try disabling that setting in system settings (re: my blog for details as well) | |
| [04:49] <ScottK-laptop> those are all commented out | |
| [04:49] * nixternal crashes | |
| [04:49] <nixternal> lovely | |
| [04:51] <nixternal> ooh, ScottK-laptop try killing kded4 and then trying | |
| [04:51] <ScottK-laptop> Switching to the LCD now. | |
| [04:51] <nixternal> oh :) | |
| [04:52] <nixternal> alrighty, good luck on that...I am going to bed...have a stupid awards banquet to go to tomorrow night | |
| [04:52] <ScottK-laptop> Bah. | |
| [04:52] <ScottK-laptop> Sleep is for the weak. | |
| [04:52] <rgreening> 42in Laura Croft oh my | |
| [04:52] <nixternal> that it is, and I am damn weak | |
| [05:36] <Greenery> did kubuntu update their xv video driver recently? cause when i play video on dragon player, it show black spots all over it | |
| === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx | |
| [09:32] <davmor2> Riddell: you know the wubi install that failed was that on you intel gfx system? | |
| [09:35] <Riddell> davmor2: no, ati machine | |
| [09:35] <Riddell> davmor2: have you tried it? | |
| [09:40] <Riddell> davmor2: it's very likely down to the lack of disk space, but I need someone to confirm that | |
| === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey | |
| [10:34] <Riddell> nixternal: lastfm tells me you're listening to severed fifth :) | |
| [10:53] <Riddell> kwwii: seen http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=88 ? | |
| [10:59] <kwwii> Riddell: that is somewhat silly | |
| [10:59] <kwwii> picking certain icons which just so happen to fit is not reality either | |
| [10:59] <kwwii> and how many large tango icons are there? and why are they not in the same theme? | |
| [10:59] <kwwii> I could go on and on | |
| [11:00] <kwwii> seems like andreas is trying to justify his fear away | |
| [11:26] <nixternal> Riddell: always listening to severed fifth :) | |
| [11:27] <nixternal> just updated rockbox on my sansa, uploading my new tunes...getting ready for a busy day at work | |
| [11:51] <seele> hmm.. can you guys start gwenview by clicking on an icon? | |
| [11:52] <seele> "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/gwenview'" | |
| [11:53] <seele> it looks like gwenview is in /usr/bin/ | |
| [12:15] <Nightrose> jcastro: http://pastebin.com/m46404696 <- wanted to give gwibber a try :/ | |
| [12:17] <rgreening> lol. no svg | |
| [12:33] <rgreening> ~topic | |
| [12:33] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help topic' | |
| [12:33] <rgreening> kubotu: help topic | |
| [12:33] <kubotu> topic add(at)|prepend|del(ete)|replace|sep(arator)|learn|restore|clear|set|undo: manipulate the topic of the current channel; use topic <#channel> <command> for private addressing | |
| [12:35] <rgreening> ~topic set "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" | |
| [12:35] <kubotu> rgreening, you don't have 'topic' permissions here | |
| [12:35] <rgreening> dam | |
| [12:35] <rgreening> lol | |
| [12:35] <rgreening> Riddell/apachelogger... I though someone said we weren't elitist .. lol | |
| [12:36] <rgreening> :) | |
| [12:38] * Hobbsee wonders what was wrong with /topic | |
| [12:42] <ScottK> rgreening: That's just the bot discriminating. You can change it as Hobbsee says. | |
| [12:42] <rgreening> oh. lol | |
| === rgreening changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: set "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" | |
| [12:42] <rgreening> ah-hah | |
| [12:42] <rgreening> ty. | |
| [12:42] <rgreening> :) | |
| [12:42] <ScottK> Now, in return, please fix my kernel problems ... | |
| [12:42] * rgreening hugs hobbsee | |
| [12:43] * rgreening slaps ScottK | |
| [12:43] * rgreening ducks | |
| [12:43] <rgreening> ScottK: what kernel prob | |
| [12:43] <ScottK-laptop> Fortunately I'm over here. | |
| [12:44] <rgreening> codeweavers is taking a pounding today... | |
| [12:44] <echidnaman> This is my kernel problem: bug 267295 | |
| [12:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 267295 in linux "2.6.27-2.3 fails to boot on Compaq Presario S6010V: " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267295 | |
| [12:44] <rgreening> looking.. | |
| === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna | |
| [12:46] <ScottK-laptop> Mine is Bug 290153 | |
| [12:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 290153 in linux-meta "Fails to find boot device in Intel D945Gnt (with Jmicron ATA controller)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290153 | |
| [12:46] <ScottK-laptop> Looks like I put it on the wrong package though. | |
| [12:47] * Hobbsee hugs rgreening back :) | |
| [12:48] <rgreening> o/ | |
| [12:48] <usr> Hi! I am at Kubuntu 8.10 RC+, and I remember that in the Kubuntu wiki was wrote: Kubuntu 8.10 will come with KPackageKit, but it comes with Adept. Why? | |
| [12:50] <JontheEchidna> usr: nobody said it would come with kpackagekit, at most it was said that we would look in to using it | |
| [12:50] <ScottK-laptop> IIRC it's available if one wants it. | |
| [12:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's true too | |
| [12:51] <usr> ok, JontheEchidna. Thank you :-) | |
| [12:51] <mornfall> usr: Ah, you have mailed me right? | |
| [12:51] <usr> yes, mornfall | |
| [12:52] <ScottK-laptop> .kde only gets touched if a user has logged in, so if I'm going to revert to Hardy, the only user that's screwed is the one I've used, right? | |
| [12:52] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: your bug. could be a pci routing issue. have you tried moving the card to a different slot or enabling some of the apic/pci work-arounds...simply disabling the pci card seems to point in that direction. especially the preempt crash line. If the pci code is hung up, preemp could crash (I think) | |
| [12:53] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: should be correct. yep | |
| [12:53] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks. | |
| [12:53] <rgreening> np. looking at your bug now... | |
| [12:53] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks. | |
| [12:53] <mornfall> usr: Well, to reply here -- I'm not interested in PackageKit. I find it to be fundamentally flawed and I don't want to throw any time on it. | |
| [12:54] <mornfall> Yes, people are trying to come up with ways to make things like searching through slow, crappy dbus interfaces work, but that's something I'd just rather avoid. | |
| [12:54] * rgreening hugs mornfall * thanks for all the work on Adept * +++++mornfall | |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: "Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Only 2 days left! | Test test! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all" | |
| [12:54] <jjesse> well tell me how you really feel about it :) | |
| [12:54] * JontheEchidna wonders how "set" got in the chan topic | |
| [12:54] * rgreening hides... | |
| [12:55] <JontheEchidna> :P | |
| [12:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: my fault | |
| [12:55] <rgreening> lol | |
| [12:55] <rgreening> diff between ~topic and /topic... never removed the "set" from ~topic command | |
| [12:56] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: did this only happen once? or every boot? | |
| [12:57] <ScottK-laptop> Every boot | |
| [12:57] <ScottK-laptop> Except if I boot a hardy live CD, it's fine | |
| [12:57] <ScottK-laptop> Intrepid live CD has the same problem. | |
| [12:57] <rgreening> strange brew indeed | |
| [12:57] <ScottK-laptop> yeah. | |
| [12:58] <rgreening> is it a SATA I or II drive | |
| [13:00] <rgreening> do you have raid or lvm or encryption? or just regular ext3 | |
| [13:00] <rgreening> ScottK: ^ | |
| [13:00] <ScottK-laptop> SATA I I'm pretty sure (it's ~almost 2 years old. | |
| [13:01] <ScottK-laptop> Regular ext3 | |
| [13:01] <rgreening> lots seem to have the issue, but all with lvm/raid | |
| [13:01] <usr> ok, mornfall: thank you you for your answer. Adept 2.0 was slow, but 3.0 is very good, their search filter is very fast. Now it is even faster than synaptic. I think that you are doing a great work with Adept 3.0. | |
| [13:01] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: If you remember the Intel boards that wouldn't work in Linux for a while because Intel planned to ship with no ATA at all and slapped a Jmicron ATA controller on at the last minute? | |
| [13:01] <ScottK-laptop> This is one of those. | |
| [13:01] <rgreening> lol | |
| [13:02] <rgreening> check the old hardy kernel and see if a patch existed for it. maybe it wasn't applied for the new tree... and should be | |
| [13:03] <ScottK-laptop> OK. Got network. | |
| [13:03] <ScottK-laptop> Actually it was an issue back in Gutsy, IIRC. In Hardy it's fine. | |
| [13:04] <usr> mornfall: thank yo | |
| [13:04] <usr> | |
| [13:04] <usr> thanks for giving us a better alternative to synaptic | |
| [13:04] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I wonder if jmicron module isn't in initramfs. can you see if it is? | |
| [13:05] <mornfall> Glad to be of help. | |
| [13:05] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: or isn't loading... | |
| [13:05] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: It's the SATA one it can't find. | |
| [13:05] <ScottK-laptop> It's a timing issue somehow because if I wait a minute or two and exit initramfs, the boot is fine. | |
| [13:06] <rgreening> yeah, cause something is probing and forcing the right module ot load. might need to force it manually/sooner... or add a rootdelay | |
| [13:07] <ScottK-laptop> OK. If rootdelay does what it sounds like, that sounds workable. | |
| [13:07] <rgreening> try rootdelay=40 on kernel line | |
| [13:07] <rgreening> from bug 278176 | |
| [13:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 278176 in mdadm "Intrepid ubuntu server won't boot RAID1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278176 | |
| [13:09] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: maybe we should add rootdelay to the failsafe kernel line for future... | |
| [13:10] <ScottK-laptop> OK. | |
| [13:10] <rgreening> let me know if it works... | |
| [13:10] <ScottK-laptop> I'd appreciate it if a German speaker would look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/11004 and see if maybe it's relevant to my problem. | |
| [13:12] <ScottK-laptop> It's been a long time since I had to look at menu.lst | |
| [13:13] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I looked over that bug... I didn't see anything that stood out... | |
| [13:14] <ScottK-laptop> OK. Thanks. It was one of the very few hits on D945 | |
| [13:14] <rgreening> but I dun speak it... just looked for the commands, errors and other english bits to decipher... | |
| [13:14] <rgreening> :) | |
| [13:15] <ScottK-laptop> So where do I put rootdelay? | |
| [13:15] <rgreening> rebooting? | |
| [13:15] <rgreening> ah, on the kernel line. try before the quiet | |
| [13:15] <ScottK-laptop> OK | |
| [13:15] * rgreening crosses fingers | |
| [13:16] * ScottK-laptop reboots | |
| [13:19] <ScottK-laptop> Nope | |
| [13:19] <rgreening> dam | |
| [13:19] <rgreening> I even crossed my toes | |
| [13:20] <rgreening> and eyes | |
| [13:20] <rgreening> :) | |
| [13:20] * ScottK-laptop will try 300 just to see if the idea is feasible. | |
| [13:21] <rgreening> lol | |
| [13:21] <rgreening> go spartans go... | |
| [13:23] <ScottK-laptop> Got network automatically on that boot, so that problem is solved. | |
| [13:23] <rgreening> 30 worked? | |
| [13:23] <rgreening> 300? | |
| [13:24] <rgreening> if so, try 60. I think that was one of the suggestions in that bug I ref'd | |
| [13:24] <ScottK-laptop> Waiting now. | |
| [13:24] <ScottK-laptop> BIOS takes a LONG time on this box. | |
| [13:25] <rgreening> brb | |
| [13:25] <ScottK-laptop> Intel D945 was not a good choice. | |
| [13:27] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: 300 worked | |
| [13:29] * ScottK-laptop tries 60 | |
| [13:33] <ScottK-laptop> Nope | |
| [13:33] <rgreening> hehe | |
| [13:34] <rgreening> ok, so, SATA or jmicron module is loaded to late... which is why a longer delay is required,.,. | |
| [13:35] <rgreening> at least you have a work around, just need to report to initramfs dev to look at | |
| [13:36] <ScottK-laptop> So it's an initramfs bug and not a kernel bug? | |
| [13:36] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: ^^ | |
| [13:37] * ScottK-laptop tries 90 | |
| [13:37] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I would suggest... | |
| [13:37] <ScottK-laptop> You suggest it's an initramfs bug? | |
| [13:37] <rgreening> possibly. Try an older initramfs and do the update-initramfs -u with an older one and see if it works. | |
| [13:38] <ScottK-laptop> Seems scary. | |
| [13:38] <rgreening> :) | |
| [13:38] <rgreening> but we devs deal in scary all the time | |
| [13:38] <rgreening> and its halloween | |
| [13:40] <ScottK-laptop> I think for this morning, I'll be happy with rootdelay= some right number. | |
| [13:41] * ScottK-laptop hands NCommander some rootdelay= | |
| [13:41] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: 90 works. Thanks for the help. | |
| [13:42] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: np | |
| [13:42] <NCommander> Ah, so that was it | |
| [13:42] <rgreening> update the bug and assign initramsf to it. | |
| [13:42] <ScottK-laptop> OK. Well it's a work around. | |
| [13:42] <rgreening> see if they can reason why the delay is necessary | |
| [13:42] <ScottK-laptop> I'm also going to release note it. | |
| [13:43] <rgreening> don't send money, just crispy cream donuts... their icing is crack | |
| [13:44] <ScottK-laptop> yeah. | |
| [13:48] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: What package does initramfs live in? | |
| [13:49] <ScottK-laptop> Busybox? | |
| [13:49] <rgreening> 1 se c | |
| [13:49] <rgreening> yes | |
| [13:49] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks | |
| [13:51] <rgreening> dpkg -L busybox-initramfs | |
| [13:51] <rgreening> I think that's the correct one. | |
| [13:56] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: might want to add initramfs-tools too | |
| [13:57] <ScottK-laptop> I started there. That one doesn't exist in Intrepid. | |
| [13:57] <rgreening> what? | |
| [13:57] <rgreening> dpkg -S initramfs-tools | |
| [13:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: we are not, kubotu is | |
| [13:59] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Nevermind. I can't use Launchpad. But we all knew that. | |
| [13:59] <rgreening> lol | |
| [14:03] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: anything in /etc/modprobe.d/initramfs | |
| [14:03] * ScottK-laptop looks | |
| [14:03] <ScottK-laptop> File doesn't exist | |
| [14:03] <rgreening> ok. nothing blacklisted | |
| [14:04] <rgreening> I think the problem is initramfs-tools on further looking. | |
| [14:05] <ScottK-laptop> OK. Added that one. | |
| [14:05] <ScottK-laptop> Eventually something will stick. | |
| [14:05] <rgreening> lol | |
| [14:06] * ScottK-laptop moves on to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration | |
| [14:06] * rgreening thinks ScottK-laptop needs to download an older initramfs-tools and update with that one | |
| [14:08] * jjesse is glad his upgrade to intrepid was as painful | |
| [14:09] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: It boots. I'm happy. Currently it only displays with the LCD off my wife's computer. She gets back in town tomorrow ... | |
| [14:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should fix your HTML engine | |
| [14:09] <rgreening> I never seem to have any reall problems (other than the wireless hiccups during alpha) | |
| [14:09] <ScottK-laptop> This is the first time in a long time I've had any trouble. | |
| [14:09] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: :) | |
| [14:10] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: do you get and .xsession-errors or kdm.log or Xorg.0.log with an indication of what is detected/failed? | |
| [14:10] <rgreening> you should pastebin them for me... I'll look | |
| [14:10] <ScottK-laptop> Just starting to look. OK. | |
| [14:12] <ScottK2> I'm multiplying | |
| [14:13] <jjesse> or cloning yourself? | |
| [14:14] <rgreening> Riddell: in the OEM GUI install, should we not link the Add/Remove or Adept in the folderview? and maybe have a quickstart readme on how OEM's can install/customize/brand (or a link to such docs)? Too late for Intrepid, but what about Jaunty | |
| [14:15] <jjesse> rgreening: propose a blueprint? | |
| [14:16] <rgreening> yeah, will likely do that. I need to know what currently exists for OEM's. Then I'll gladly do up a spec. | |
| [14:18] <ScottK2> I think my problem is that the graphics card will do more than the monitor and X is auto configuring based on just the card. | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> ryanakca: can we somehow get rid of the sidebar for the release news? | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> looks pretty supid | |
| [14:25] <apachelogger> maybe create a special content type and do some magic stuff to not display the left region for that type at all? | |
| [14:26] <ryanakca> apachelogger: on the left side? What would happen if a user thinks ``Oh, this is really cool, I want it'' while reading the release news but can't find the prominent download button | |
| [14:26] <apachelogger> then we add a download button | |
| [14:27] <Riddell> rgreening: seems sensible | |
| [14:29] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ok. and, got carried away with other things, before I stick on the planet, any objections to http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/uncategorized/13 ? | |
| [14:30] <apachelogger> ryanakca: 404 is a bit 404 :P | |
| [14:31] <ryanakca> apachelogger: gah, *unticks the private box*... try again | |
| [14:31] <apachelogger> hm | |
| [14:32] <apachelogger> ryanakca: you are aware that we will end up with loads of nerdwork? ;-) | |
| [14:32] <apachelogger> ryanakca: looking good otherwise | |
| [14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the news needs some structure | |
| [14:33] <apachelogger> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | |
| [14:33] <rgreening> Riddell: should I blueprint this up? A more fleshed out OEM spec... and is there any OEM docs out there for Kubuntu (or Ubuntu)? | |
| [14:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: yes. doesn't mean we need to take it all, and if they use [Kubuntu Intrepid], it's good advertising :) | |
| [14:34] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I doubt the advertisyness of nerdwork :P | |
| [14:34] * apachelogger has a unique POV on nerdwork vs. artwork anyway | |
| [14:36] <jjesse> how do you add a screenshot to a wiki? never uploaded an image before | |
| [14:36] <jjesse> was going to upload my dekstop on my dell mini 9 | |
| [14:37] <ryanakca> apachelogger: there, fixed it up, better? | |
| [14:44] <ScottK2> rgreening: It looks like the video driver is reporting back nothing about the display and so if the display can automatically cope, it's OK ... otherwise, not. | |
| [14:44] <nixternal> !info linux-image | |
| [14:44] <ubottu> linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.21.23 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB | |
| [14:44] <nixternal> !info gcc | |
| [14:44] <ubottu> gcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.62ubuntu6)): The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.3-1ubuntu6 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB | |
| [14:44] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yus | |
| [14:45] <rgreening> ScottK2: hmm... can you test the bad monitor on another system, see if problem follows monitor (could be we need to add it to the monitor db/list for detection) | |
| [15:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 211674 that actually sounds more like software-prop crashes which causes as crash in adept | |
| [15:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 211674 in adeptmgr "Adept Manager crashes when you add bad URL of a mirror" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211674 | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> rgreening: sounds like a UDS topic | |
| [15:23] <nixternal> are we gonna do some hacking at UDS in between the partying? | |
| [15:24] * apachelogger giggles about the "partying" | |
| [15:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nah, a bad sources.list crashes adept | |
| [15:25] <Riddell> it's time best used for discussion rather than hacking | |
| [15:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: immediately? | |
| [15:26] <JontheEchidna> back when I tested it, it would crash when reading state | |
| [15:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: bug 242614 | |
| [15:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 242614 in kubuntu-docs "package kubuntu-docs 8.04-3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242614 | |
| [15:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, then this a 2 layer problem | |
| [15:26] <rgreening> Riddell: where should I doc it then, if we want to add for UDS topic? LP Blueprint or elsewhere? | |
| [15:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: I can't do anything about that right now....at work | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> nixternal: note it on your todo :P | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: software-prop should only write valid sources.list and adept shouldn't crash on them | |
| [15:27] <JontheEchidna> brb, resetting router | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> Arby: for bugs fixed for KDE 4.1.3 please set intrepid-updates as milestone | |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | |
| [15:31] <Riddell> rgreening: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | |
| [15:31] <rgreening> ty. I'll add it to the list. | |
| [15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: done | |
| [15:48] <apachelogger> kde bug 53397 | |
| [15:48] <ubottu> KDE bug 53397 in general "KDirLister::OpenURL(_url) don't concern about the FileChanged of "url" itself " [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53397 | |
| [16:23] <rgreening> good bug. hah | |
| [16:58] <rgreening> Riddell: for Jaunty, would it be beneficial to extend update-notifier-kde right-click menu for About, Help, and possibly show the dist/devel upgrade options (maybe via an advanced popup) to allow users to access the upgrade that way? Maybe make a persistant version of the icon for the systray? | |
| [17:03] <jtechidna> rgreening: ideally we would be able to make it into a plasmoid, I'd think | |
| [17:03] <jtechidna> sorta like the new device notifier but one that displays updatable packages maybe? | |
| [17:03] <jtechidna> with clickly-pushy buttons to open up adept :D | |
| [17:05] <Riddell> rgreening: I think it does have a menu option | |
| [17:05] <rgreening> right-click exists, but not populated with anything other than name and exit | |
| [17:06] <rgreening> that's what I was thinking we could extend... | |
| [17:06] <rgreening> if you like the idea, I'll add it to the spec | |
| [17:06] <Riddell> go ahead | |
| [17:07] <rgreening> k. cool. | |
| [17:07] <nixternal> hrmm, is there an issue with kubuntu and dvd's? | |
| [17:12] <Riddell> nixternal: works for me | |
| [17:15] <jcastro> nixternal: last chance for openweek sessions! | |
| [17:15] <jcastro> I know you want one! | |
| [17:20] <KDesk> 9.04 will use KDE 4.2? Then KDE 4.2 will have Extenders, Extenders could be used as a notify method. http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-07/ | |
| [17:38] <Riddell> jcastro: you didn't convince apachelogger to teach us all ruby? | |
| [17:39] <jcastro> hah | |
| [17:47] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: I picked the "Go to #ubuntu-x and beg for help from bryce" approach. | |
| [17:47] <rgreening> lol | |
| [17:48] <rgreening> -1 apachelogger for no ruby | |
| [17:48] * rgreening ducks | |
| [17:48] <ScottK-laptop> jcastro: Just sign him up and if he claims he doesn't remember signing up, tell him you suspect he was drunk when he did it. | |
| [17:49] <jcastro> good idea | |
| [17:49] <ArkoldThos> anyone getting crashes when burning at k3b :S? | |
| [17:49] <ArkoldThos> at intrepid | |
| [17:50] <rgreening> +1 ScottK-laptop for being devious | |
| [17:51] * ScottK-laptop has had a boss who was uncertain of his memory. That can be made to work for you. | |
| [17:52] <ScottK-laptop> gotta run. See you all later. | |
| [17:54] <txwikinger> hi jcastro | |
| [17:55] <jcastro> hi txwikinger | |
| [18:13] <nixternal> jcastro: when is openweek? | |
| [18:13] <jcastro> 3-7 nov | |
| [18:13] <jcastro> nixternal: right after release | |
| [18:16] <nixternal> unless I can do an openweek session at 19:00 or later CST, I won't be able to do one since I am at work | |
| [18:18] <jcastro> dang | |
| [18:22] <jcastro> Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+archive for intrepid and hardy, testing on kubuntu appreciated, if it doesn't blow people's stuff up I'll put those up in the official PPA. | |
| [18:29] <Nightrose> jcastro: if you only changed the dep nothing should blow up here ;-) | |
| [18:29] <jcastro> Nightrose: you'd be surprised the things I can break. | |
| [18:29] <Nightrose> haha | |
| [18:29] <Nightrose> food now - will try testing it later | |
| [18:30] <jcastro> I'll let it bake in there for a while, get some feedback and push it up probably later in the day | |
| [18:30] * jcastro nods | |
| [18:39] <Arby> does anybody have an nvidia card and use kontact calendars regularly? | |
| [18:39] <Arby> if so have you seen anything resembling bug 258611? | |
| [18:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 258611 in kdepim "Korganizer: Terrible delay in mouse action on calendar" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258611 | |
| [18:40] <Arby> I can't reproduce it and no idea what might cause it | |
| [18:46] <rgreening> software mouse rather than hardware? | |
| [18:47] <rgreening> nm. just read the bug. bad description... lol | |
| [18:53] <rgreening> Arby: I have intel vid here. Can't reproduce. Could it be related to compositing/shadows under KDE or Compiz? e.g. one of the plugins causing an issue? | |
| [18:54] <Arby> rgreening: not sure about visual effects, I was wondering of it was an X or graphics problem but then other apps don't do it. | |
| [18:54] <Arby> s/of/if | |
| [18:56] <rgreening> Arby: It's still possible it's in other apps, just not as noticeable. I posted a comment anyway. Get some additional details from the reporters | |
| [18:56] <Arby> thanks | |
| [18:58] <rgreening> I have seen noticable slowdown on my intel with shadow/transparancy both enabled. I have disabled both, and it's all good. | |
| [18:58] <rgreening> could be reasonable to assume they have these on and it could be part of the issue. | |
| [19:01] <Arby> maybe I'm crediting the user with too much intelligence :) | |
| [19:01] <Arby> I'd take it as a given to turn those off | |
| [19:06] <rgreening> cardinal rule #1... | |
| [19:06] <rgreening> ~facts about assume | |
| [19:06] <kubotu> [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me' | |
| [19:06] <rgreening> hah | |
| [19:10] <Arby> heard it before :) | |
| [19:11] <Arby> anybody know at what point ktimetracker replaced Karm? | |
| [19:11] <Arby> start of 4.x? | |
| [19:11] <rgreening> dunno | |
| [19:12] * Arby pokes around in launchpad | |
| [19:14] <Arby> seems to appear around 4.1 | |
| [19:15] <jtechidna> that was when kdepim was introduced, so it makes sense | |
| [19:23] <Arby> here's a fun one :) bug 198458 | |
| [19:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 198458 in kdepim "Installing a network bridge broke kioslaves" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198458 | |
| [19:23] <Arby> I'm with the user, where to start? | |
| [19:24] <Arby> is that really kdepim's fault, and is it a KDE bug at all or should I blame virtualbox? | |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | |
| [19:43] <a|wen> Arby: testing the same within a new virtualbox and see if it changes things could possibly discard kdepim if it works | |
| [19:44] <Arby> a|wen: I have no idea how to configure the sort of network setup he describes | |
| [19:47] <a|wen> Arby: oh ... it is a rather old bug also, so i would consider it reasonable to ask if the same thing happens when using hardy (or newer) as either host or guest or both | |
| [19:48] <Arby> fair enough | |
| [19:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the ping-and-hope-they-don't-respond trick works everytime! ;D | |
| [19:52] <JontheEchidna> except when it doesn't, then, sucks to be the triager | |
| [19:52] <JontheEchidna> :P | |
| [19:56] <a|wen> luckily it is often fixed in the new version; and if it isn't SRU worthy you are done ... | |
| [19:58] <Arby> JontheEchidna: I've done many bugs that way. | |
| [19:58] <Arby> every triager learns it sooner or later :) | |
| [19:58] <JontheEchidna> oh yes, KDE4 is great about not qualifying for an SRU :D | |
| [19:59] <JontheEchidna> of course people get mad when they learn that KDE4 doesn't suck as much as their preconcieved peeves make it out to be | |
| [19:59] <JontheEchidna> and then yell at you to fix it in KDE3 | |
| [20:00] <Arby> a|wen: does bug 163737 sound like anything you've come across already? | |
| [20:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 163737 in kdepim "kaddressbook cannot connect to ldap server if it cannot verify the secure connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163737 | |
| [20:01] <a|wen> Arby: nope, that's a new one ;) | |
| [20:02] <Arby> this would be an example where the ping and hope trick fails then :) | |
| [20:03] <Arby> a) I don't what ldap actually is, b) I have no means of testing it | |
| [20:03] * Arby looks in the wiki | |
| [20:04] <smarter> you don't what ldap is? you totally it! :P | |
| [20:04] <a|wen> Arby: i would try testing agains another SSL/https remote resource ... is not unlikely a generic problem with not getting a popup for non-validated certificates | |
| [20:05] <xerosis> I'm almost certain I have the same setup at work and I get the popup | |
| [20:06] <Arby> smarter: in my world ldap is 'somebody elses problem' | |
| [20:06] <Arby> until now | |
| [20:06] <smarter> in my world, ldap is a boring acronym for something that looks boring :p | |
| [20:07] <Arby> a|wen: thanks I can ask them to check that | |
| [20:07] <a|wen> xerosis: is there a deny and "do not show this anymore" option? | |
| [20:08] <xerosis> a|wen: I think there is | |
| [20:09] <a|wen> Arby: then i might be, that they just hit that one ^^ | |
| [20:09] <Arby> the thought did cross my mind | |
| [20:09] <Arby> is there a way to undo that | |
| [20:09] <Arby> ? | |
| [20:10] <a|wen> Arby: it is probably stored in some file somewhere in the .kde directory | |
| [20:11] <Arby> I thought it might be | |
| [20:11] * Arby digs a bit | |
| [20:39] <smarter> Arby: grep for "[Notification Messages]" in the *rc file of the app where you ticked the don't ask me anymore | |
| [20:39] <Arby> smarter thanks for the hint, I suppose it would be kmail or kontact | |
| [22:13] <Arby> nixternal: ping | |
| [22:13] <Arby> nixternal: do you mind if I close bug 75416, reporter says bug is no longer present. | |
| [22:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 75416 in kdepim "[kmail] doesn't display a signed message, where the key is unknown" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75416 | |
| [22:14] <Arby> just trying to tidy up kdepim bugs and that one's assigned to you. | |
| [22:31] <larsivi> Hi! | |
| [22:32] <larsivi> will the upgrade from hardy to intrepid also migrate my mail accounts? | |
| [22:32] <ScottK-laptop> larsivi: Hardy KDE3 or Hardy KDE4? | |
| [22:32] <larsivi> ScottK-laptop: kde3 | |
| [22:32] <ScottK-laptop> Yes then. | |
| [22:33] <ScottK-laptop> Quote of the day from my 14 year old that I helped upgrade to Intrepid yesterday: | |
| [22:33] <larsivi> ok - that was the main reason for me not going for kde4 earlier | |
| [22:33] <ScottK-laptop> "Dad, guess what? I figured out widgets. They are SO cool!" | |
| [22:33] <larsivi> plus some kopete/xmpp issue ... | |
| [22:34] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: heh | |
| [22:34] <Arby> plasma, kool for kids :) | |
| [22:34] <Arby> sorry *whince* | |
| [22:35] <jussi01> ScottK: hehehe, nice | |
| [22:38] <a|wen> widgets ARE cool ... /me just found the drag-and-drop of picture to generate picture frames with them :) | |
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