| [02:01] <Eeyore-Jr_> Nubae: i'm going to start on my fat client. what link did you give me this morning? | |
| [02:02] <Eeyore-Jr_> on a fat client, is there a way to get it to only run the graphics programs ? my fat client would run programs slower than the server. | |
| [02:48] <Ahmuck> is edubuntu a "add-on" cd now ? | |
| [02:50] <stgraber> yes, since 8.04 | |
| [03:00] <LaserJock> hi stgraber | |
| [03:02] <stgraber> hey LaserJock | |
| [03:03] <LaserJock> stgraber: nice work on LTSP lately | |
| [03:03] <stgraber> yeah, working full-time on it helps :) | |
| [03:03] <LaserJock> stgraber: Intrepid might work out afterall ;-) | |
| [03:04] <stgraber> I'm finishing the localapps implementation for ltsp-cluster now (testing it basically), then will propose the change upstream | |
| [03:04] <stgraber> basically it's about generating a "Local applications" menu with the softwares that are installed in the chroot | |
| [03:04] <stgraber> so you can do fullscreen youtube with firefox, blender, audacity or skype video conf which weren't possible before | |
| [03:04] <Eeyore-Jr> without a "fat" client? | |
| [03:05] <stgraber> yeah | |
| [03:05] <Eeyore-Jr> neat | |
| [03:05] <Eeyore-Jr> really neat | |
| [03:05] <Eeyore-Jr> how does that work? | |
| [03:05] <Eeyore-Jr> theoretically | |
| [03:06] <stgraber> softwares are installed in the chroot, an entry is added to /etc/ltsp/localapps-menu/ with a .desktop for that softwares | |
| [03:06] <stgraber> when the user session open, a rc.d script is run that'll generate a xdg menu off it | |
| [03:06] <stgraber> so the menu entries will appear on the server, clicking on it will set a X property that's read on the thin client and will trigger the software you clicked | |
| [03:08] <LaserJock> I'd love to be able to run chemistry apps locally | |
| [03:08] <Eeyore-Jr> ah, they run locally? | |
| [03:08] <LaserJock> that's been a big sticking point to me pushing to do an LTSP deployment in my department | |
| [03:09] <Eeyore-Jr> so to run large graphics you would still need a machine capable of doing it | |
| [03:09] <Eeyore-Jr> on the client side? | |
| [03:09] <LaserJock> yeah | |
| [03:09] <Eeyore-Jr> hrm | |
| [03:09] <Eeyore-Jr> so, how do you mix thin and fat then, still have to tell it by mac address? | |
| [03:09] <LaserJock> the point of localapps is to shift CPU load to the client | |
| [03:10] <stgraber> LaserJock: yeah, we were requested to make blender, celestia and some other edu software to work on thin clients, local apps help a lot for that :) | |
| [03:10] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: you have the local apps you want installed in the chroot | |
| [03:10] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: it's still a thin client | |
| [03:10] <stgraber> Eeyore-Jr: localapps can be turned on/off using the LOCALAPPS lts.conf parameter, so you can turn it off for computers that can't run it | |
| [03:10] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm confused sorta | |
| [03:11] <Eeyore-Jr> how does the server know when to turn them off? mac address? | |
| [03:11] <Eeyore-Jr> listing ? | |
| [03:11] <stgraber> the menu being generated by the thin client, the server doesn't need to know about it | |
| [03:12] <Eeyore-Jr> can i keep asking questions without being annoying. i'm still trying to understand what's going on | |
| [03:12] <Eeyore-Jr> the menu that is generated by the thin client is generated according to it's specs? | |
| [03:13] <Eeyore-Jr> it generates a "thin" menu if it has certian hardware specs? | |
| [03:13] <LaserJock> stgraber: I guess what Eeyore-Jr is asking is what happens if you have mixed thin clients, only some of which you want to run localapps on | |
| [03:13] <LaserJock> stgraber: can you set LOCLAPPS on a per/client basis? | |
| [03:14] <Eeyore-Jr> i was under the impression that "fat" clients were beefier machines, and requried a special mac addressing schema on the server to identify them | |
| [03:14] <stgraber> LaserJock: yes | |
| [03:14] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: I think ^^ answers your question | |
| [03:15] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, let me re-phrase. i have 450mhz, 256mb ram machines, but would like to run some gl games, which would require machines with higher specs, such as 1Ghz, 512MB, and 64MB video memory | |
| [03:15] <stgraber> you can turn on/off the localapps using lts.conf which uses mac address, so you can turn off localapps for some thin clients | |
| [03:15] <Eeyore-Jr> on a file on the server | |
| [03:15] <Eeyore-Jr> or a file with a mac address list so that heavy apps are not turned on | |
| [03:15] <stgraber> I'm working on ltsp-cluster where we have a control center that's used to generate lts.conf based on some attributes (including hardware specifications) but it's probably a bit too big for your own installation | |
| [03:16] <stgraber> (we use it with load balancing for really big networks) | |
| [03:16] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: lts.conf is on the server | |
| [03:16] <Eeyore-Jr> actually, i've been thinking about a bewolf ltsp cluster. is that possible? | |
| [03:16] <Eeyore-Jr> parallel ltsp ? | |
| [03:18] <Eeyore-Jr> well, i think i have a better idea what's going on. thx for the info, i'll put it in my planning | |
| [03:18] <Eeyore-Jr> it's late. gnite | |
| [04:10] <Eeyore-Jr_> one thing i noticed is that there were full menus for ltsp. menus for installing software, etc. i assume menus can be customized. installing software always brought up a password prompt. i can see users confusion on this | |
| [04:10] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: why? | |
| [04:10] <sbalneav> Evening all | |
| [04:11] <LaserJock> sbalneav! | |
| [04:11] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock | |
| [04:11] <stgraber> hey sbalneav | |
| [04:12] <stgraber> sbalneav: I implemented a "Local applications" menu today, generated by the thin client from a config file in /etc/ltsp/localapps-menu/ :) | |
| [04:13] <sbalneav> Nice | |
| [04:23] <LaserJock> we should set a time for a Jaunty planning meeting | |
| [04:23] <stgraber> yep | |
| [04:27] <LaserJock> Wed. 20:00 UTC? | |
| [04:28] <stgraber> hmm, with release on Thursday, I'd prefer after-release | |
| [04:29] <stgraber> and 19:00 UTC would be better as I need to leave the office at 21:00 UTC (and last hour is usually quite busy) | |
| [04:30] <stgraber> Friday 19:00 UTC would be great (or any time starting from 12:00 UTC) | |
| [04:34] <sbalneav> Sigh | |
| [04:34] <sbalneav> Multibin printing doesn't work in OpenOffice.org in Intrepid. | |
| [04:35] <LaserJock> I can't do it earlier than 19:00 UTC on Friday | |
| [04:35] <LaserJock> but 19:00 would work | |
| [04:36] <LaserJock> sbalneav: no? | |
| [04:37] <sbalneav> No. | |
| [04:37] <sbalneav> I'll have to dig into it. | |
| [04:37] <LaserJock> sbalneav: can you tell if it's on the OO.o end? | |
| [04:37] <stgraber> LaserJock: ok, so let's go with Friday 19:00 UTC | |
| [04:38] <sbalneav> Ubuntu will never, EVER, make it big in business if it can't get this right. | |
| [04:38] <sbalneav> No idea. It didn't work for hardy, either. | |
| [04:38] <sbalneav> I came up with a patch for cups upstream. | |
| [04:39] <sbalneav> the pstops filter was broken hard. | |
| [04:39] <sbalneav> Talked to Till in #ubuntu-devel, pointed him to the fix, but it's never been patched. | |
| [04:40] <sbalneav> Now cups has changed YET AGAIN, with the "all pdf all the time" printing method. | |
| [04:40] <sbalneav> so now, it's broken. | |
| [04:40] <sbalneav> again. | |
| [04:40] <sbalneav> And I'll have to fix it. | |
| [04:40] <sbalneav> Again. | |
| [04:41] <stgraber> Argh, looks like I found a way to break ltsp-cluster so my test terminal doesn't boot ... of course it's 30km away and my only way to access it until Monday is ssh ... | |
| [04:41] <stgraber> I wish I'd have my test lab at home, would be a lot easier | |
| [04:49] <LaserJock> stgraber: what about the next Wednesday? | |
| [04:50] <LaserJock> I just realized that Friday would be Halloween here | |
| [04:50] <LaserJock> and I'm not sure what my schedule will be since I have the day off | |
| [04:51] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what does multibin printing do btw? | |
| [04:51] <stgraber> oh right, forgot about halloween. | |
| [04:52] <stgraber> LaserJock: Wednesday early afternoon is fine, then I'll need to pack stuff for LTSP BTS | |
| [04:52] <LaserJock> so Nov. 5th at 20:00UTC | |
| [04:52] <LaserJock> that'd be one of our usual Edubuntu meeting times anyway | |
| [04:52] <stgraber> hmm, that's not really early afternoon in my tiemzone :) | |
| [04:52] <sbalneav> Well, with a laser printer in an office environment, you'll often have at least 3 bins: | |
| [04:53] <stgraber> 17:00UTC or 18:00UTC would be a lot better | |
| [04:53] <sbalneav> 1 for plain, one for letterhead, and an envelope feeder. | |
| [04:53] <sbalneav> And often, the manual feed tray filled with legal size. | |
| [04:53] <LaserJock> oh | |
| [04:53] <LaserJock> I thought it was an LTSP thing :-) | |
| [04:54] <sbalneav> Currently, no matter what you set the paper tray as, it comes out on the default bin. | |
| [04:54] <sbalneav> Which means it's a complete non-starter to move to. | |
| [04:54] <LaserJock> stgraber: Ubuntu QA meeting is 17:00-18:00, should we go for 18:00? | |
| [04:55] <stgraber> ah right, the QA meeting :) yeah let's go with 18:00 | |
| [04:57] <stgraber> I know of some people at Revolution Linux who will likely also be interested in attending the meeting | |
| [04:57] <stgraber> where do we do it ? #ubuntu-meeting | |
| [04:58] <LaserJock> yeah | |
| [04:58] <LaserJock> I'm writing up an email to edubuntu-devel | |
| [04:59] <LaserJock> stgraber: anywhere else you think I should send it? | |
| [04:59] <LaserJock> heck, maybe I should CC ubuntu-devel | |
| [04:59] <stgraber> yeah, ubuntu-devel may be good too | |
| [04:59] <stgraber> maybe edubuntu-users ? I'm not sure who we have on that list though (I'm not subscribed) | |
| [05:00] <stgraber> send it to the fridge mailinglist too so it gets added to the fridge | |
| [05:01] <stgraber> ubuntu-news-team@l.u.c that's | |
| [06:51] <highvoltage> stgraber: thanks :) | |
| [06:52] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hi | |
| [06:52] <highvoltage> hi LaserZ | |
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| [14:48] <Eeyore-Jr__> stgraber: what is a test lab for you comprise of ? | |
| [14:50] <Eeyore-Jr__> i'd like to attend the meeting | |
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| [18:42] <Eeyore-Jr_> hi. will *untu and/or ltsp use a quad processor? | |
| [18:44] <Eeyore-Jr_> quad core? | |
| [19:12] <Nubae> Eeyore-Jr sure | |
| [19:17] <Eeyore-Jr_> neat. that's what i'm picking out for the server | |
| [19:18] <Eeyore-Jr_> and 4G of ram | |
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