2008/10/06/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:44] <tuxice> how do i work the ubottu encyclopedia plugin?
[00:45] <PriceChild> tuxice: I believe there is documentation with it.
[00:45] <tuxice> where?
[00:45] <tuxice> if im identified with the bot whats the command to add a factoid
[00:46] <PriceChild> tuxice: are you trying to do stuff with ubottu, or have you downloaded the plugin and are using it on another bot?
[00:46] <tuxice> downloaded and using w/ another bot
[00:46] <PriceChild> There is documentation with the plugin when you downloaded it.
[00:46] <PriceChild> I believe.
[00:46] <Myrtti> #supybot might have more people answering
[00:47]  * PriceChild points out he is just an operator... in an operator channel
[00:47] <Myrtti> I know it's coded with Python :-D
[00:47] <tuxice> ok
[00:47] <PriceChild> I think it depends on what you've set it up as. Check your configuration.
[01:03] <jdong> PriceChild: are you sure you aren't an operatour?
[01:03] <jdong> of a chat programme?
[01:04] <jdong> or an IRC servre?
[01:04] <LjL> i can catch it, i can catch it!
[01:05] <LjL> no, i missed it.
[01:05] <LjL> i don't know where the pun landed.
[01:05] <PriceChild> jdong: pardon?
[01:05] <PriceChild> Myrtti: hmmm i'm trying to do your n95 sip thing...
[01:06] <Myrtti> PriceChild: yes, dear?
[01:06] <PriceChild> Myrtti: its not working :P
[01:07] <Myrtti> PriceChild: and which part isn't?
[01:08] <PriceChild> aha... registrar is not sip:sip.ekiga.net
[01:09] <PriceChild> now it works
[01:09] <PriceChild> how cool
[01:09] <PriceChild> i'm probably never going to use this again though :/
[01:10] <LjL> i think i have like the only s60 phone with no builtin SIP
[01:10] <PriceChild> Myrtti: how do you manage the sip, telling it to unregister etc. ?
[01:11] <Myrtti> how do I tell it to unregister?
[01:11] <PriceChild> mmhm
[01:11] <Myrtti> well, I usually just shut down the 3G connection
[01:11] <Myrtti> by holding the red button down
[01:12] <PriceChild> i connected over wireless 8-)
[01:12] <PriceChild> and i didn't know the red button did that
[01:12]  * PriceChild hit power and switched to offline
[01:12] <Myrtti> if you're using wifi, you're on your own
[01:13] <PriceChild> such a messy phone
[01:13] <Myrtti> it's the best phone I've had
[01:14] <PriceChild> i hope mine lasts
[01:14] <Myrtti> you've got the same?
[01:14] <PriceChild> i can imagine breaking it and being all :(
[01:14] <PriceChild> i've got the 8Gb
[01:15] <Myrtti> I can send you one of my knitted pouches :-D
[01:15] <Myrtti> *snork*
[01:17] <PriceChild> :P
[01:17] <jdong> ack stupid irssi scripting engine
[01:17] <jdong> PriceChild: just testing out a new britishfying script that takes hints from the wikipedia article
[01:17] <LjL> jdong: pebkac pebkac!
[01:17] <jdong> only problem is that it hangs on connection issues
[01:18] <jdong> this one's a bit more effective on word suffixes
[01:18] <jdong> like if I say garage, it'll change garage to garage
[01:18] <jdong> only problem is that I need to make it stop saying petrol pedal and such
[01:18] <LjL> jdong: you really are a master in the venerand art of having nothing better to do
[01:18] <jdong> LjL: lol I got bored doing homework
[01:20] <LjL> given you always actually wrote garage
[01:20] <LjL> what the heck is the other spelling for garage?
[01:20] <jdong> gas station
[01:20] <LjL> uh... i thought those were two quite entirely different things
[01:21] <jdong> LjL: no, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_words_having_different_meanings_in_British_and_American_English#G
[01:21] <jdong> was a pain to parse and a real testament to my hatred of perl
[01:23] <LjL> *shrug* weird brits *and* weird americans.
[01:23] <LjL> a garage is a garage, duh.
[01:23] <LjL> hi bobertdos
[01:24] <bobertdos> hello.........umm, I think there's a channel somewhere for wiki issues. I'm having a brain fart.
[01:24] <LjL> #ubuntu-doc
[01:25] <LjL> though if it's about the servers themselves, then i don't know
[01:25] <bobertdos> nope
[01:25] <bobertdos> I am just needing some opinions on where I should write an addendum.
[01:26] <LjL> -doc should be the place then
[01:57] <Technoviking> howdy I would check into speener on #ubuntu, kinda acting up
[01:57]  * Hobbsee grrr.
[01:57] <Flannel> Technoviking: Its being handled, thanks though.
[01:57] <Technoviking> np
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i didn't think eagles was smart enough for ban evasion.
[01:58] <Flannel> Hmmm?
[01:58] <Flannel> @btlogin
[01:58] <Hobbsee> it was only banned by nick, so he decided to change his nick
[01:58] <Hobbsee> iirc, he kept changing hosts a while back
[01:59] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[02:00] <Flannel> Hobbsee: Not the same host
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Flannel: hmm?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Flannel: it's definetly the same guy
[02:01] <Flannel> [n=jonathan@c206-157.i03-4.onvol.net] vs n=mario@c-76-30-93-229.hsd1.tx.comcast.net]
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:01] <Hobbsee> same guy, though.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Flannel: put in bans for both hosts, thanks.
[02:04] <Flannel> Hobbsee: er, the latter is in #u, not -motu
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Flannel: oh, i thought you'd found the original host his quiets had been on.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Flannel:who's the #ubuntu guy?
[02:04] <Flannel> Someone else ;)
[02:04] <Flannel> the former is the host from -motu
[02:05] <Hobbsee> erm, why did you bring him up then?  :)
[02:05] <Flannel> the latter is the host of a guy, who I can't imagine is the same guy.
[02:05]  * Hobbsee confused.
[02:05] <Flannel> I didn't.  Technoviking did.
[02:05] <Flannel> I thought your eagles comment was re: him,
[02:05] <Hobbsee> oh.  no :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Flannel: i was referring to the guy who came in here a few days ago, so i switched a ban to a quiet, and told him he couldn't talk in there.  So he changed nicks, and crapped on in channel anyway.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> which was *precisely* what i was attempting to stop him doing.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> because, y'know, development channels != soapbox, and != slaves for wahtever you want done.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> right.  fixed.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh, not in -bugs.
[02:10]  * Hobbsee fixes there too
[02:13]  * Hobbsee adds to the BT.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> right.
[04:57] <Flannel> I wish mikem would get some new topics for debate
[04:57] <Flannel> I've heard all of them a few times now.
[05:37] <elkbuntu> Flannel, he has to stick with what he believes he knows
[05:38] <elkbuntu> pretending to know something else would probably be too much for him
[05:41] <Flannel> elkbuntu: At least when we get to math, he at least brings up relatively different stuff each time.
[05:41] <Flannel> Even if it turns into more of a "lets try and stump people" instead of "lets discuss"
[06:10] <ubottu> In ubottu, DaskReecH said: kde4 is KDE 4.1.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.1 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:11] <ubottu> In ubottu, DaskReecH said: kde4 is KDE 4.1.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:12] <DaskReecH> Hallo
[06:12] <DaskReecH> Just sent in a factiod correction
[06:13] <Tm_T> hi hi DaskReecH 
[06:13]  * DaskReecH waves
[06:13] <DaskReecH> How are you?
[06:13] <Tm_T> fine thanks, busy though, have to do material for plasma presentation in a few hours
[06:13] <DaskReecH> Where are you presenting?
[06:13] <Tm_T> !kde4
[06:13] <ubottu> KDE 4.1.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.1 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:15] <Tm_T> !kde4 ~= s/4.1.1/4.1.2/g
[06:15] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-ops, Tm_T said: !kde4 ~= s/4.1.1/4.1.2/g
[06:15] <Tm_T> bah
[06:16] <Tm_T> DaskReecH: sowwy
[06:16] <DaskReecH> :-) Where are you presenting?
[06:18] <Tm_T> DaskReecH: Openmind, http://mindtrek.org/openmind
[06:21] <stdin> Tm_T: use @login
[06:21]  * Tm_T uses @login
[06:22] <Tm_T> (;)
[06:22] <Tm_T> @login
[06:22] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[06:22] <Flannel> Tm_T: be sure to use @login!
[06:22] <Tm_T> ubottu: whoami?
[06:22] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whoami?
[06:22] <Tm_T> bah
[06:22] <Flannel> no question mark
[06:22] <Tm_T> !kde4 ~= s/4.1.1/4.1.2/g
[06:22] <ubottu> Missing end delimiter
[06:22] <Tm_T> hmmmmm
[06:22] <Flannel> =~
[06:23] <stdin> I don't think it takes a 'g'
[06:23] <Tm_T> stdin: wondering the same too
[06:23] <stdin> both ~= and =~ work (and <sed>)
[06:23] <Flannel> I think its global by default
[06:23] <Tm_T> stdin: also dot escaping?
[06:23] <Tm_T> !kde4 ~= s/4.1.1/4.1.2/
[06:23] <ubottu> I'll remember that Tm_T
[06:23] <Tm_T> !kde4
[06:23] <ubottu> KDE 4.1.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.1 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:23] <Flannel> Tm_T: You'll need to do that too, yes.
[06:23] <Tm_T> Flannel: no I don't
[06:23] <Tm_T> !kde4 ~= s/4.1.1/4.1.2/
[06:23] <Flannel> Tm_T: only because . happens to be a part of "any character"
[06:24] <stdin> !kde4
[06:24] <ubottu> KDE 4.1.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:24] <Tm_T> Flannel: I know (:)
[06:24] <Flannel> Tm_T: if there was a 42124, you would've replaced that
[06:24] <Tm_T> Flannel: I know it very well (:)
[06:26] <stdin> I probably could make it recognise 'g', but when I have the strength to deal with supybot
[06:26] <Tm_T> nah, it's ok
[06:26] <Tm_T> less damage when mistaken
[07:55] <jussi01> Morning all!
[08:06] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[08:08] <jussi01> Heya Flannel! :)
[09:19] <Myrtti> morning
[09:27] <Myrtti> SUN SHINES!
[09:27] <Myrtti> oooooohhh
[09:27] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[09:34]  * ikonia nods
[09:36] <Myrtti> and gone again
[09:37] <elkbuntu> right, so we're hovering on about 1300 regular now. what's everyone's early estimates for release day?
[09:38] <jussi01> 1945
[09:42] <Tm_T> 2200
[09:43] <ikonia> 2389
[09:43] <elkbuntu> have we even hit 2k yet?
[09:44] <ikonia> of which 2384 will ask "why can't I get flash to work" or something of that nature
[09:56] <jussi01> Damn I love having dualhead :)
[09:56] <Myrtti> it's his ident
[09:57] <ikonia> Myrtti: who is that
[09:57] <ikonia> cala, not seen that before
[09:58] <jussi01> Ive seen him, there was a discussion a few days ago iirc
[09:59]  * Myrtti gets up
[09:59] <Myrtti> while it's still mornin
[10:00] <jussi01> [13:26:59] <-- ompaul (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) has quit (Client Quit)
[10:00] <jussi01> [13:34:01] --> CalA (n=fuckstea@AMarseille-157-1-127-3.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[10:00] <jussi01> [13:34:06] <CalA> irc.dedibox.fr #dedibox
[10:00] <jussi01> [13:34:43] <-- CalA (n=fuckstea@AMarseille-157-1-127-3.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) has quit (Client Quit)
[10:00] <jussi01> ikonia: ^^
[10:01] <ikonia> ah
[10:05] <elkbuntu> cala again?
[10:06] <elkbuntu> someone was all about him not having multiple ips because he was in china and shelling via the US, iirc
[10:55] <ikonia> looks like he's in france
[11:08] <ikonia> @bansearch rebal_kid
[11:08] <ubottu> No matches found for rebal_kid!*@* in #ubuntu-ops
[11:09] <ikonia> @btlogin
[11:26] <Myrtti> Tm_T: have I lately declared my undying and eternal love to you?
[11:26] <elkbuntu> spelling
[11:26] <elkbuntu> @bansearch rebel_kid
[11:27] <ubottu> No matches found for rebel_kidn=justin@freecode/founder/rebelkid in #ubuntu-ops
[11:27] <elkbuntu> :(
[11:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: nope
[11:43] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I love you.
[11:43] <Tm_T> <3
[12:40] <ikonia> can someone do a last in #ubuntu and look at nikon it looks like a bot
[12:41] <ziroday> Hi
[12:41] <ziroday> should there be a 3G factoid?
[12:41] <Pici> Should there be? 
[12:42] <ziroday> Pici: no, I mean can there be?
[12:42] <Pici> ziroday: suggest something.
[12:42] <ziroday> I mean bah
[12:42] <Pici> !usage
[12:42] <ubottu> Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:42] <ziroday> Pici: okay
[12:42] <Pici> See the wiki page on how to suggest factoids.
[12:42] <Pici> If it sounds good, we'll add it
[12:42] <ziroday> Pici: alright thanks
[12:42] <ziroday> Pici: have a great night
[12:43] <Pici> ziroday: you too
[12:43] <Myrtti> erm. yeah
[12:43] <Myrtti> what is the problem with 3G?
[12:43] <Pici> I dont even know what 3g he was talking about.
[12:43] <Pici> We'll see!
[12:43] <Myrtti> probably mobile broadband
[12:43] <ikonia> he measn the mobile broadband adaptors
[12:43] <Pici> Perhaps.
[12:44] <Myrtti> which is virtually solved in Intrepid
[12:44] <ikonia> the support for them sucks at the moment
[12:44] <ikonia> nah, it's not solved, the adaptors hardware is pretty badly supported
[12:44] <ikonia> almost like old windomodems
[12:44] <Myrtti> oh
[12:44] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[12:44] <Myrtti> HUAWEI's work fine
[12:44] <ikonia> soem do
[12:44] <ikonia> some
[12:44] <ikonia> I've found two that are mega
[12:44] <Myrtti> that's what they sell here with eeepc's
[12:44] <ikonia> but then there are another 40+ that suck
[12:44] <Pici> I have no 3g hardware to test.
[12:44] <ikonia> (in the yuk)
[12:45] <ikonia> Pici: think usb wirless sticks and how well they work
[12:45] <Pici> ikonia: badly!
[12:45] <Pici> I don't trust using USB for networking or sound.
[12:45] <Myrtti> I guess I'm just lucky
[12:45] <ikonia> thats pretty much what a 3g adaptor is
[12:45] <ikonia> a usb network stick
[12:45] <Myrtti> then again I have a *phone*
[12:45] <ikonia> Myrtti: eepc had linux in mind at design time so they may have actually thought it through
[12:45]  * Pici makes a note to find out where he lost his cellphone
[12:48] <Myrtti> http://lwn.net/Articles/294599/ <--
[12:48] <Myrtti> ♥ Wellark
[12:48] <Myrtti> he lives like half a mile from me
[12:49] <Myrtti> I've been overseeing that project of his this summer
[12:49] <Myrtti> I recruited him to our company
[12:49] <Myrtti> he's doing a speech tomorrow at the conference
[12:49] <Myrtti> that's in Intrepid
[12:50] <Myrtti> http://www.kaijanmaki.net/blog/2008/06/14/status-report-w24/ that still makes me laugh
[12:50] <ikonia> Myrtti: that looks very interesting (libmbca)
[12:52] <Myrtti> if you can, please please PLEASE contribute to his service provider database
[12:53] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-bots, ziroday said: !3G is The easiest way to get 3G networking is using Network Manager 0.7. You can get it from http://tinyurl.com/3pqbz6. You can also use wvdial, gnome-ppp. pppconfig
[12:54] <Myrtti> the problem with NetworkManager 0.7 is that it broke ~everything in Hardy
[12:55] <Myrtti> it works like a charm in Intrepid
[12:55] <Pici> Which is A Bad Thing™ 
[12:55] <Myrtti> yeah, I don't know if it's gotten any better
[12:55] <Myrtti> but I couldn't authenticate into WPA/WPA2 on hardy with nm0.7
[12:56] <Myrtti> then in intrepid it worked again
[12:56] <Myrtti> I suspect it might have been something with the keymanager, but couldn't be sure
[12:56] <Myrtti> and besides
[12:56] <Myrtti> Intrepid is so full of love anyway
[12:59] <Pici> Minus ATI's non-existant support for the version of xorg we're using, Intrepid is working great for me.
[13:02] <Pici> eagles051387: How can we help you today/
[13:02] <Pici> ?
[13:02] <eagles051387> how did i get banned again from motu channel again
[13:03] <ikonia> eagles051387: you didn't helpyourself trying to ban dodge
[13:03] <ikonia> then pestering -devel didn't help either
[13:03] <Myrtti> you *still* don't have any idea why you were banned the first place?
[13:03] <eagles051387> ikonia: i didnt ban anyone
[13:03] <ikonia> no, you can't ban anyone
[13:03] <ikonia> you where banned, and tried to avoid the ban
[13:03] <ikonia> as well you know
[13:03] <ikonia> as it happened 4 - 5 times
[13:03] <eagles051387> O_o hobbsee unbanned me
[13:04] <ikonia> no she didn't
[13:04] <ikonia> she banned you
[13:04] <ikonia> stop messing around 
[13:04] <eagles051387> then other day she unbanned me
[13:04] <ikonia> @btlogin
[13:04] <ikonia> and you where banned agann last night
[13:04] <ikonia> again
[13:04] <eagles051387> what for
[13:05] <eagles051387> was it because i talked in motu channel
[13:06] <Pici> Aparrently, yes.
[13:06] <eagles051387> well when i was first unbanned i couldnt talk in channel someone changed my permissions in that channel 
[13:06] <eagles051387> and i was suprised by that
[13:07] <Tm_T> hi kids
[13:07] <ikonia> eagles051387: lets cut to the chase, it looks like you where band dodging in #ubunut-motu and #ubuntu-devel all last night
[13:07] <eagles051387> can u explain to me what band is
[13:07] <eagles051387> band dodging is
[13:07] <ikonia> ban is "mute" not allowed to enter the channel
[13:07] <Tm_T> ban dodging
[13:08] <ikonia> eagles051387: ban dodging is trying to get around the ban
[13:08] <ikonia> og, sorry, my typo
[13:08] <ikonia> oh
[13:08] <Pici> eagles051387: ban evasion. knowing that you were banned/muted and doing something (like changing your nick) to get around the ban.
[13:08] <eagles051387> ikonia: hobbsee the other day unbanned me and made it to where i couldnt say anything in motu
[13:08] <ikonia> eagles051387 so ?
[13:08] <eagles051387> and someone changed it to where i could talk in that channel
[13:08] <ikonia> so ?
[13:09] <ikonia> sorry, I'm not following your point
[13:09] <eagles051387> i have gotten rebanned un fairly cuz someone made it to where i could say something in motu channel
[13:09] <ikonia> eagles051387 if you new you couldn't talk, why did you try
[13:09] <Pici> eagles051387: No.. you changed your nick. You used to be eagles0513875.
[13:10] <eagles051387> Pici: what happened was this i upgraded to kde4.1.2 and it lost all my setting for some reason when i resetup konvo couldnt remember my name that i had before cuz i use both this one and the other one for other stuff
[13:10] <eagles051387> if i hop back on the other name would i be banned or be allowed in those channels
[13:11] <Pici> eagles051387: Still banned.
[13:11] <Pici> eagles051387: One moment.
[13:11] <ikonia> eagles051387: if you knew you couldn't talk why di dyou try to talk ?
[13:12] <eagles051387> all i did in motu was ask bout what ask bout what moonlight was
[13:12] <ikonia> eagles051387 why ask if you knew you couldn't talk /
[13:12] <eagles051387> ikonia: i thought someone changed my permissions
[13:12] <ikonia> eagles051387 why
[13:12] <eagles051387> i didnt realize i had used a different name
[13:12] <ikonia> what made you think that ?
[13:12] <eagles051387> cuz i was able to say stuff in the channel is what made me think my permissions had been changed
[13:13] <ikonia> eagles051387 why did you try to say stuff, when you know you are muted
[13:13] <eagles051387> i was curious as to what moonlight was
[13:14] <ikonia> but why ask you know you can't talk
[13:14] <Tm_T> eagles051387: also it's wrong place to ask such things
[13:14] <ikonia> I'm not convinced this was a "nick error" as you claim as if you know you can't talk in that channel (which you do) why would you try to talk 
[13:15] <eagles051387> ikonia: when hobbsee first unbanned me i went in there tried to type something and it wouldnt let me after i hit enter this time i typed a question and when i hit enter it went through
[13:15] <eagles051387> and y was i banned from devel channel
[13:16] <ikonia> eagles051387 but why did you type a question
[13:16] <ikonia> you know you can't type in that channel
[13:16]  * Pici goes around in circles.
[13:16] <ikonia> and why was the question nothing to do with development or motu - 
[13:16] <eagles051387> and if i had the right nick it wouldnt have gone through
[13:16] <ikonia> eagles051387 but why did you try to get it through
[13:16] <eagles051387> i wasnt trying to
[13:16] <ikonia> you know your not allowed to type in that cahnnel
[13:16] <ikonia> why did you type it /
[13:16] <Pici> eagles051387: Part of the reason for the intial bans/mutes was that you didn't seem to understand that the -devel and -motu channels were not for support, but rather for development.  Support in #ubuntu, offtopic in #ubuntu-offtopic, development in -motu and -devel.
[13:17] <eagles051387> Pici: these days i just idle in there and follow various things that are going on in there in the hopes of learning a few things so that i may contribute to the distro
[13:18] <Pici> eagles051387: Seems not, since you were asking offtopic questions yesterday.
[13:18] <eagles051387> i was in offtopic channel
[13:18] <ikonia> eagles051387: which channel where you in ?
[13:18] <Pici> No, you were in -motu asking general questions.
[13:18] <eagles051387> just bout something that someone was working on 
[13:18] <eagles051387> the moonlight pkg
[13:19] <ikonia> this is nonsense
[13:19] <ikonia> I'm not wasting anymore time on this knowing the users history also
[13:20] <eagles051387> this is rediculous
[13:20] <ikonia> agreed
[13:20]  * ikonia returns to support
[13:21] <eagles051387> cant a guy make mistakes 
[13:21] <eagles051387> Hobbsee: 
[13:21] <Hobbsee> greetings.
[13:21]  * Hobbsee hopes ikonia will give a backscroll pastebin soon :)
[13:22]  * eagles051387 will let Hobbsee see the backscroll pastbin to understand my issue
[13:23] <ikonia> Hobbsee: you got it
[13:23] <Hobbsee> ikonia: thanks
[13:24] <eagles051387> Hobbsee: let me know when i can plead my case
[13:25] <Hobbsee> ikonia: where was the pestering of -devel?
[13:26] <eagles051387> i didnt say anything at all in -devel
[13:26]  * Hobbsee didn't see -devel stuff, only -motu stuff.
[13:26] <eagles051387> can i explain what happened in regards to motu
[13:27] <Hobbsee> explain away.
[13:27] <eagles051387> i upgraded from kde 3.5.10 to kde 4.1.2 
[13:27] <eagles051387> and i lost all my settings so i had to setup kde with all nics and channels
[13:27] <eagles051387> and the nic im currently on wasnt the one that had me muted
[13:27] <eagles051387> it was eagles0513875 that had me muted
[13:28] <eagles051387> with that nick used to go in there if i accedentally typed something in that channel instead of another one it wouldnt go through
[13:28] <eagles051387> but this time it did cuz the nic was different
[13:28] <Hobbsee> So, what do you think the point of that ban was?
[13:28] <Hobbsee> or, that quiet.
[13:28] <eagles051387> i had asked this individual who was pkgs an equivalent to microsoft silverlight called moonlight whatit was
[13:28] <eagles051387> they r saying ban dodging 
[13:29] <eagles051387> i didnt realize i had used a different nic from the one that had me muted 
[13:29] <eagles051387> and in regards to the -devel channel i believe i have been falsly banned from there
[13:29] <eagles051387> i know thats for bug fixing and what not and i just sit in there maybe learn a thing or 2 in there
[13:29] <eagles051387> i wasnt trying to dodge the ban at all
[13:30] <Hobbsee> wow, you guys took the round trip before someone pointed me at it :)
[13:30] <eagles051387> i honestly thought that someone had changed my permissions in motu channel 
[13:30] <Hobbsee> pity i think i'm going to take it again.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: I said it would only be reevaluated after release.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: perhaps you need to actually listen to what people say a little more carefully.
[13:30] <ikonia> Hobbsee: didn't see you active, sorry
[13:30] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: now, has ubuntu released yet?
[13:30] <Hobbsee> ikonia: no problem, i was watching a movie, but almost always on irc anyway :)
[13:30] <eagles051387> Hobbsee: i know and no it hasnt but i accidentally changed the nic
[13:31] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: listen to me carefully.  What was the intent of that ban?
[13:31] <eagles051387> just to sit in there and learn a few things in motu was the reason u unbanned me and muted me in there
[13:31] <Hobbsee> And you knew you weren't to speak in there, just listen?
[13:31] <eagles051387> was told ban dodging which was not intended
[13:32] <eagles051387> ya but if i typed something and hit enter it wouldnt go through since i was muted on the other nic
[13:32] <Hobbsee> But *why* were you typing things at all, if you knew people couldn't hear you, and if you knew it would never go through?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> Seems like a waste of effort, to me.
[13:33] <eagles051387> maybe it is but sometimes i got a million things at once on my mind
[13:33] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: part of the point of that ban was to see if you could be a responsible person, and to follow the rules.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> You shouldn't have been talking in there *at all*.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> Now, while you were on the silenced nick, people couldn't tell.
[13:33] <eagles051387> ya
[13:33] <Hobbsee> However, you did get around that, by using another nick, and showed that you were talking in there.
[13:34] <eagles051387> i did that unintentionally 
[13:34] <eagles051387> i use both of these nics for other things
[13:34] <Hobbsee> So, I can only conclude that you can *not* follow what you've been told, and not follow the agreement given to you.
[13:34] <eagles051387> and when i was resetting up konversation i was drawing a blank on which nick i had used
[13:34] <ikonia> but why did you type, when you know your not meant to 
[13:34] <Hobbsee> that's fine.  But you knew you weren't to talk in those channels, and may be allowed to after release, but you did so anyway.
[13:35] <Hobbsee> Thus, you can't follow the agreements, and thus, you won't be allowed in there again.
[13:35] <eagles051387> Hobbsee: i can though just made the mistake of changing nick
[13:35] <Hobbsee> I will be speaking with those in #kubuntu-devel, as it appears you are not suitable for any kubuntu/ubuntu development channel
[13:35] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: no, you made the mistake of talking where you knew you weren't allowed to.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: the fact that you *did* change nick just allowed others to see your mistake.
[13:36] <eagles051387> the change of nic was unintentional
[13:36] <Hobbsee> read what i said.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> until you understand it.
[13:37] <eagles051387> i do understand
[13:37] <Hobbsee> okay. So, why, in your eyes, will you not be allowed back into ubuntu development-related channels again, indefinetly?
[13:38] <eagles051387> nick change talked in motu against agreement
[13:38] <eagles051387> -devel i find the ban to be unfair
[13:38] <Hobbsee> why?
[13:38] <Hobbsee> if you can't obey the rules, and stay on topic in -motu, why would you be any different in -devel, which is a busier channel anyway?
[13:38] <eagles051387> i didnt do anything in that channel
[13:38] <eagles051387> i just sit in there
[13:39] <Hobbsee> well, that's what you were supposed to do.
[13:39] <eagles051387> i didnt think the agreement extended to -devel channel as well
[13:40] <eagles051387> the original ban was on motu
[13:40] <Hobbsee> Use your brain.  Why do you think you'd be stopped from disrupting development in one channel, but allowed to do so in a busier one?
[13:40] <eagles051387> i give up
[13:40] <Hobbsee> besides, you've put rubbish into #ubuntu-devel before.
[13:40] <eagles051387> that was a while ago
[13:40] <Hobbsee> Good.  Come back after we release jaunty, and I'll re-evaluate it.
[13:40] <eagles051387> when i first started using the distro
[13:40] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: yes, and you've proved that you haven't learned to be on topic since then.
[13:41] <eagles051387> thats not true since then i have kept my mouth shut
[13:41] <Hobbsee> Like you didn't do in -motu?
[13:41] <eagles051387> and the last time i said anything in devel was when i was starting bug fixing
[13:41] <ikonia> thats the point you 've not
[13:41] <eagles051387> in -devel i have ikonia
[13:41] <ikonia> your muted
[13:41] <Hobbsee> eagles051387: actually, you haven't.  
[13:41] <eagles051387> how havent i
[13:41] <Hobbsee> You haven't been able to get through to that channel at all, and you didn't speak there last night, when you could have.
[13:42] <eagles051387> -devel i was never banned from there before
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Still, seeing your unchanged behaviour (although I notice you've stopped using !u - well done!), doesn't lead me to change my mind.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Yes you have.  You just never tried joining there, so didn't find out.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> anyway, I said the final decision before...
[13:43] <Hobbsee> [23:40] <Hobbsee> Good.  Come back after we release jaunty, and I'll re-evaluate it.
[13:43] <eagles051387> i have devel on auto join when i sign onto konversation
[13:43] <eagles051387> ill see if i dont have my own distro out before then
[13:43] <Hobbsee> good luck...
[13:43] <ikonia> own distro....ok
[13:43]  * wgrant starts his own too.
[13:44] <ikonia> wgrant: I was thinking about you on the train today, reading through some usplash code
[13:44] <ikonia> didn't realise that was yours/seavas
[13:44] <Pici> CWii: Can we help?
[13:44] <ikonia> ahhh
[13:44] <ikonia> it's not
[13:44] <ikonia> wgrant: ignore me
[13:44] <wgrant> ikonia: You're confusing me with somebody else. I didn't write usplash.
[13:44] <CWii> Pici, Wha?
[13:44] <wgrant>  /ignore ikonia
[13:44]  * CWii is channel surfing
[13:44] <Pici> CWii: see /topic
[13:45] <Tm_T> CWii: this is wrong channel to surf (;)
[13:45] <Tm_T> wgrant: why you're here btw?
[13:46] <Pici> !idle | CWii 
[13:46] <ubottu> CWii: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[13:46] <Myrtti> my IRC is broken.
[13:46] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hug me
[13:47] <Myrtti> *SPLORT*
[13:47]  * Myrtti hugs Tm_T and tries to pick up pieces of her brain from the floor into a bucket
[13:47] <Tm_T> <3
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[14:20] <Pici> LjL: ah, too fast
[14:32] <LjL> !offline
[14:32] <ubottu> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://tinyurl.com/4faslb (now with Gutsy and Hardy support)
[14:33] <LjL> !no offline is <reply> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://apt.alturl.com/ (now with Gutsy and Hardy support)
[14:33] <ubottu> I'll remember that LjL
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[16:30] <ElijahDuBarryVT> why I'm here? I wont to enter in #ubuntu not here, but when I try I came here :(
[16:30] <Myrtti> because you've been banforwarded here
[16:30] <Myrtti> @login
[16:30] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[16:30] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[16:31] <ElijahDuBarryVT> why? Because of away mode that's stupid
[16:31] <ikonia> not really, just to explain to you to disable the away messages please. 
[16:31] <ikonia> it's only a 30 second thing
[16:32] <ElijahDuBarryVT> but why what is the the problem of away mode?
[16:32] <ikonia> it adds to an already busy channel 
[16:32] <ElijahDuBarryVT> why i can not use here
[16:32] <ikonia> people don't need to see your away
[16:33] <Myrtti> because nobody in #ubuntu CARES if you're away
[16:33] <Myrtti> and it just adds to the noise
[16:33] <Pici> A 'quiet' away is fine, just not one that adds to the traffic.
[16:33] <ElijahDuBarryVT> ok i will not use anymore
[16:34] <ikonia> super, thank you 
[16:35] <ikonia> hang on.....
[16:35] <ikonia> I#'m not that quick
[16:35] <ikonia> @login
[16:35] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[16:35] <ikonia> stupid ubottu not working for me
[16:36] <ikonia> @btlogin
[17:13] <ikonia> @bansearch dury
[17:13] <ubottu> No matches found for dury!n=chatzill@55.red-217-127-111.staticip.rima-tde.net in #ubuntu-ops
[17:14] <ikonia> @bansearch #ubuntu dury
[17:14] <ubottu> (bansearch <nick|hostmask> [<channel>] [<sendlink>]) -- Search bans database for a ban on <nick|hostmask>, if <channel> is not given search all channel bans. If <sendlink> is given, and true, send a link to the bantracker log to you in a /msg.
[17:14] <ikonia> @bansearch dury #ubuntu
[17:14] <ubottu> No matches found for dury!n=chatzill@55.red-217-127-111.staticip.rima-tde.net in #ubuntu
[17:23] <ikonia> I've convinced N1X0N is a bot i n#ubuntu
[17:23] <Myrtti> yeah
[17:24] <ikonia> thats all it does all day
[17:24] <ikonia> I can't figure out the trigger
[17:25] <Myrtti> hi all seems to do the trick
[17:26] <ikonia> Myrtti: nice find
[17:26] <ikonia> muted
[17:26] <Myrtti> better to remove
[17:27] <Myrtti> I've got a funny feeling that it's not there for a good reason
[17:27] <ikonia> concur
[17:27] <rohan_1> something is wrong every body is saying hi everyone 
[17:27] <Myrtti> rohan_1: how may we help you
[17:27] <ikonia> rohan_1: sorry that was me doing a little test, sorry to distrub
[17:27] <Myrtti> rohan_1: we were trying to trigger a bot
[17:27] <rohan_1> i see heh thankyou
[17:27] <Myrtti> it's banned and removed now
[17:28] <ikonia> ooh it's r2r again
[17:28] <ikonia> thats dmseg I believe
[17:28] <ikonia> (personal opinion nothing more)
[17:28] <Myrtti> food, food would be nice
[17:28] <ikonia> make it so
[17:40] <Myrtti> hmmmmm, next step taking the garbage out
[17:41] <Pici> Get mine too?
[17:41] <ikonia> engage
[17:41]  * Pici needs to clean out his refrigerator
[17:41] <Myrtti> I need to scrub mine with bleach
[17:41] <Pici> I'm not that messy.
[17:41] <Myrtti> mine is from year 77
[17:42] <Myrtti> I think it might be a good idea to scrub it with bleach sometimes
[17:43] <Pici> Probably a good idea. 
[19:03] <Myrtti> I loathe today
[19:04] <Myrtti> if there's something good about today, I've not yet found it.
[19:08] <PriceChild> Look! A pony!
[19:15] <Myrtti> nope, that doesn't do the trick
[19:15] <Myrtti> I'm so fed up now.
[19:50] <Myrtti> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/06/funny-pictures-noooooez-da-trubble-i-seeeeen/
[19:50] <Myrtti> NOOOOOBODY BUUUUUUT JEEEEEEBUS
[19:52] <Tm_M> hi kids
[19:53] <Myrtti> hello lov
[19:59] <Tm_P> tunnel
[20:02] <Tm_P> hmm, an hour left in my joyrney
[20:16] <stdin> it's a sad day, when a *NATIVE* English speaker can't decode the comments on that page :(
[20:16] <stdin> it may as well be in polish
[20:32] <ubottu> ShackJack called the ops in #ubuntu (ballsac)
[20:35] <ballsac> why my winidow close
[20:36] <ompaul> hi there welcome to #ubuntu-ops
[20:36] <ballsac> hi
[20:36] <ballsac> i was d/c from ubuntu chan. and this is not ubuntu chan
[20:36] <ompaul> your real name "ihateyou" is not in the spirit of ubuntu
[20:36] <ompaul> and therefore I terminated your access
[20:36] <ompaul> !guidelines > ballsac 
[20:36] <ubottu> ballsac, please see my private message
[20:36] <ballsac> u mean my ident
[20:36] <LjL> yeah, he always mixes them up
[20:36] <LjL> though it's strange...
[20:36] <ompaul> !codeofconduct > ballsac 
[20:36] <LjL> that you know what an ident is, and you don't know how to get PM
[20:37] <ballsac> ok listen. if u dont like my real name say so. ur syaing 100000 times u send PM. but i toldu i cant receive PM and i dont know why. i DO know what ident is i typed in ident on mIRC i know that much
[20:37] <ballsac> also
[20:37] <ompaul> [ballsac] (i=ihateyou@199.76.180.242): ihateeveryone
[20:38] <ompaul> and your nick sucks too
[20:38] <ballsac> if u dont like me being in the chan. just tell me and ill never join ur chan. but be frank with it 
[20:38] <ompaul> I just did
[20:38] <ballsac> my nick is very cute ppl tell me
[20:38] <ballsac> but that's the truth. i do hate everyone. especially faggot kikes like you with no real brain
[20:39] <ompaul> LjL, I think my point was valid
[20:40] <LjL> borderline troll (that is, perfectly complete troll, willing to troll, but knowing he'll achieve the effect better if he does everything in a borderline way)
[20:40] <LjL> semi-bad idents, semi-idiotic talk in #ubuntu, semi-rtfm given gratuitously
[20:41] <ompaul> yeap
[20:41] <lolsac> HYLOL
[20:41] <lolsac> <3 <3
[20:41] <LjL> he forgot all that semi eventually though
[20:47] <ompaul> LjL, I think that party was on the old banned lists
[20:48] <LjL> possible
[21:16] <Myrtti> folks, try to behave at -ot
[21:17] <Myrtti> no random kicking, please
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[21:19] <ompaul> Myrtti, someone invoked the seveas in us all :)
[21:20] <Myrtti> ompaul: unfortunately, that isn't funny
[21:24] <ompaul> ok folks I have had enough, i am taking my ball and going home
[21:24] <ompaul> arrrrrr
[21:39] <LjL> gah, why does the only irc proxy in the repo that actually looked interesting (znc) not come with a log plugin
[21:39] <Myrtti> muh?
[21:39] <Myrtti> psybnc?
[21:41] <elkbuntu> LjL, what's wrong with bip?
[21:41] <LjL> Myrtti: muh is the one i'm trying to replace, psybnc, puhleaze
[21:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: bip is the one i'm currently thinking about, yeah. but znc had some interesting stuff
[21:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: such as detached channels
[21:42] <elkbuntu> detached channels?
[21:42] <LjL> elkbuntu: yeah, you can be in a channel but not have it actually showing up on your client (unless there is activity if you so choose, otherwise you can just check the logs)
[21:42] <elkbuntu> ah
[21:43] <LjL> that could be handy especially given my client doesn't have channel-specific highlights
[21:43]  * elkbuntu resists the obvious remark here...
[21:43] <LjL> elkbuntu: what, a remark about how i should use client that aren't made for my system's desktop?
[21:44] <LjL> does bip log well at least?
[21:46] <elkbuntu> LjL, well, would you buy a stock part for your car if you knew it was lacking needed functionality?
[21:47] <LjL> elkbuntu, because buying a part that's made for a different car would be worse
[21:47] <elkbuntu> not necessarily
[21:47] <elkbuntu> anyway, i'm procrastinating, off to work :(
[23:12] <elky_work> i misread, i didnt mean for a different car, i meant compatible with the same car, but not neccessarily made by the same manufacturer
[23:35] <Seeker`> LjL: what client do you use?
[23:37] <LjL> Seeker`: konv
[23:38] <LjL> elky_work, here's where our definitions of "compatible" probably differ. well no they don't, a GTK program is definitely "compatible" with KDE (i can't deny it, it starts up and runs), but it's not a KDE program, and that's important to me
[23:49] <elky_work> "i can't use gray windscreen wiper rubber. because my car is painted black, the wiper rubber must match my paintwork."
[23:55] <LjL> elky_work: that's not what it's like. KDE and GNOME aren't just paints for your computer (although GNOME is often perceived as such, given the lack of actual GNOME software)
[23:55] <LjL> elky_work: i could just as well use mIRC in WINE with your reasoning.
[23:56] <LjL> hey, mIRC works, is fast, i've been used to it for years.
[23:56] <LjL> i respect people who mix and match KDE and GNOME applications, or for that matter run uTorrent, or even mIRC, in WINE, as they evidently have different priorities than me.