| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | |
| [21:33] <zerwas> Hi | |
| [21:36] <zerwas> In a few days the first deadline is there. Can somebody explain to me what this means? | |
| [22:41] <askand> Is it only me or is half the mailinglist complains about topposting? =-O | |
| [23:05] <nand_> it's a rite amongst Ubuntu artworkers :) | |
| [23:05] <pwnguin> it needs to be solved once and for all | |
| [23:06] <pwnguin> claiming there's an established ettiquette is simply a lie | |
| [23:06] <Flannel> topposting is evil | |
| [23:06] <pwnguin> psh | |
| [23:07] <pwnguin> write google and tell them how they're being evil then | |
| [23:07] <Flannel> its a crime against your fellow man, and because such, is against the code of conduct :) | |
| [23:07] <pwnguin> if open source is worth a damn, this angst should produce some sort of technical solution | |
| [23:07] <pwnguin> given that we know they exist | |
| [23:07] <nand_> one of the - involuntary - culprit is Gmail : it is hiding the quoted text so that topposting or not, it looks the same. So Gmail users don't understand what is the problem | |
| [23:08] <Flannel> pwnguin: Theres a good number of clients (all in Ubuntu?) that default to starting replies below quoted | |
| [23:09] <pwnguin> Flannel: ok, so how about some decent threading and collapsing | |
| [23:09] <pwnguin> did google patent it? | |
| [23:09] <Flannel> Eh? I have no idea what you're talking about | |
| [23:10] <pwnguin> have you not seen gmail threading in action? | |
| [23:10] <Flannel> Nope. I prefer to own my data. | |
| [23:10] <pwnguin> i dont see how that means you never look at what others are doing | |
| [23:10] <pwnguin> anyways | |
| [23:10] <Flannel> Having never used gmail, I obviously am unaware of its UI | |
| [23:11] <Flannel> Sorry for not watching your type emails over your shoulder. | |
| [23:11] <pwnguin> like there aren't videos etc | |
| [23:11] <pwnguin> anyways | |
| [23:11] <pwnguin> what it does is collapse quoted text into a small purple "click to expand quote" | |
| [23:12] <pwnguin> and automatically threads mail | |
| [23:12] <Flannel> threading is ... all over the place | |
| [23:13] <pwnguin> in my experience it works almost perfectly | |
| [23:13] <Flannel> pwnguin: and, a cursory search reveals that thunderbird has a quote collapse extension thing too. | |
| [23:13] <pwnguin> great | |
| [23:13] <pwnguin> i should try it sometime | |
| [23:14] <pwnguin> the point is, lots of the world has never heard of "top posting" | |
| [23:14] <pwnguin> technology can make that an artifact of time | |
| [23:15] <pwnguin> and the sooner that happens, the sooner people won't feel antagonized in ubuntu-artwork | |
| [23:15] <Flannel> pwnguin: Yes, but people in FOSS do, and older people (from the beginnings of the internet) do too. There's just a gap for the rest, which are also the people who click on email links to download screensavers and icon packs. I'm, not really sure where you're going. | |
| [23:16] <Flannel> pwnguin: The first thing one should do when joining a community officially or unofficially, is observe their social norms. | |
| [23:16] <Flannel> This goes for any community, whether online, or a new job, or whatever. | |
| [23:16] <pwnguin> having observed the social norms of -artwork, they seem unhealthy :P | |
| [23:17] <Flannel> pwnguin: I'm actually not subscribed to the mailing list, so I wouldn't be the one to comment on that. | |
| [23:18] <pwnguin> then you'll have no choice to believe me when I say that every month a collossal top posting thread is initiated by one or two agitators | |
| [23:18] <pwnguin> ive tried to remedy the poison | |
| [23:19] <pwnguin> it seems to have worked a bit, but it's a social solution to a technical problem | |