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| [01:37] <vorian> nixternal: ping etc... :) | |
| [01:58] <jtechidna> omg | |
| [01:58] <jtechidna> <3 Simon Edwards | |
| [01:58] <jtechidna> Riddell: He found a workaround for the crash | |
| [01:59] <jtechidna> Make the KApplication a global var and everything works out | |
| === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee | |
| [10:26] <mornfall> Riddell: Hi! Could you please sync apt-xapian-index, libwibble, libept and adept from Sid into Intrepid? Thanks. | |
| === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ | |
| [10:38] <Riddell> ooh | |
| [10:44] <Riddell> hmm, libwibble still at 0.1.19 in unstable | |
| [12:01] <\sh> Riddell: are you up to some archive work? like syncing? :) | |
| [12:01] <Riddell> \sh: could do | |
| [12:01] <\sh> Riddell: ok..just testbuilding the experimental packages of new upstream sip4-qt3 + pyqt4 | |
| [12:06] <\sh> Riddell: short question why did you remove the python-elemtree? | |
| [12:07] <\sh> Riddell: as the python-qt4 bin package consists of py2.4 + py2.5 version as it seems, wouldn't it be better to suggest the python-elemtree package? | |
| [12:08] <Riddell> \sh: did I? I don't even know what that is | |
| [12:08] <Riddell> mornfall: synced from incoming | |
| [12:08] <\sh> Riddell: or should be force the use of py2.5 as build target only? (setting XS-Python-Version in debian/control to 2.5) | |
| [12:08] <\sh> python-qt4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low | |
| [12:08] <\sh> * Remove depends on python-elemtree, it is not needed with python2.5 | |
| [12:08] <\sh> -- Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:59:26 +0100 | |
| [12:09] <Riddell> don't honestly know | |
| [12:10] <jtechidna> Riddell: If you're doing archive work could you take a look at bug 259404 while you're at it? | |
| [12:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 259404 in showimg "Please remove showimg 0.9.5-1.1ubuntu2 from Intrepid (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259404 | |
| [12:10] <jtechidna> and good morning guys :) | |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | |
| [12:13] <\sh> Riddell: ok...would you sync then sip4-qt3 + python-qt4 from experimental then for intrepid...( i can't force requestsync to use experimental somehow9 | |
| [12:17] <Riddell> \sh: sip4-qt3 4.7.7-1 is already in ubuntu | |
| [12:17] <\sh> ah | |
| [12:17] <Riddell> syncing python-qt4_4.4.3-1 | |
| [12:18] <\sh> apachelogger: how far did you come along with your patch to pykde4? | |
| [12:19] <\sh> apachelogger: if there is more work to be done, I'll prepare a debdiff for kde4bindings to bump the pyqt4 version for pykde4...and just rebuild it | |
| [12:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you wanted me to remind you to remove "preview" from the description on first beta release of amarok 2 | |
| [12:19] <Nightrose> package description that is | |
| [12:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done | |
| [12:33] <JontheEchidna> Cool, thanks. | |
| [13:24] <seele> Riddell: does the ubuntu hardware database collect screen resolution data? | |
| === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter | |
| [14:19] <mornfall> Riddell: Ah, right. Incoming is it -- I have just uploaded it when I poked you. I haven't realized ACCEPTed doesn't imply "in archive". ; - ) | |
| [14:26] <Riddell> seele: yes should do (the output of xdpyinfo as I remember) | |
| [14:27] <ScottK> \sh: I get sip4-qt3 sync'ed back when you originally asked me about them. | |
| [14:27] <ScottK> I did get ... | |
| [14:27] <\sh> ScottK: ah...didn't get it then...thx... | |
| [14:51] <nixternal> vorian: pong? | |
| [14:52] <smarter> could someone please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff | |
| [14:52] <Riddell> smarter: ok | |
| [14:54] <Riddell> smarter: uploaded thanks, you should send it to debian too if they havn't done that already | |
| [14:54] <smarter> 'kay | |
| [14:54] <smarter> ppa backport probably has this bug too | |
| [14:56] <smarter> does ubuntu wiki login works for you? | |
| [14:56] <ScottK> smarter: Not for me with Konqueror KDE3. Works in Firefox. | |
| [14:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: lemonpos-kde4 needs archiving in Intrepid | |
| [14:57] <JontheEchidna> oh nevermind | |
| [14:57] <JontheEchidna> dummy package | |
| [14:57] <JontheEchidna> XP | |
| [14:58] <smarter> ScottK: does not with konq/kde4 too :/ | |
| [14:59] <smarter> *does not work | |
| [15:00] <ScottK> smarter: I filed a bug on ubuntu-website. Please add a comment. | |
| [15:01] <ScottK> smarter: Bug #259436 | |
| [15:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 259436 in ubuntu-website "Wiki login not persistent with Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259436 | |
| [15:02] <smarter> done ;) | |
| [15:02] * smarter goes back to his kvkbd Qt4 port | |
| [15:05] <Riddell> smarter: you're doing one? | |
| [15:05] <smarter> yep | |
| [15:06] <smarter> it's running, buttons works, and I just got the tray icon back | |
| [15:06] <smarter> *work | |
| [15:07] <Riddell> groovy | |
| [15:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Simon Edwards helped me fix the crash in software-properties | |
| [15:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: something fiddly involving object visibility I expect? | |
| [15:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, making kapp a global var fixed the crash | |
| [15:11] <JontheEchidna> er, declaring kapp as a global | |
| [15:12] <JontheEchidna> The bad news is that I can't seem to fully wrap my head around KCmLineArgs/Options | |
| [15:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can be fiddly, try looking at gdebi-kde that uses it | |
| [15:14] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, that might help | |
| [15:14] <JontheEchidna> fiddly is an awesome word btw | |
| [15:22] <JontheEchidna> Could I get a core dev to sponsor bug 253707? | |
| [15:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253707 in kdebase "[kde 4] System Settings missing from applications menu, not found by search" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253707 | |
| [15:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok | |
| [15:27] <JontheEchidna> thanks | |
| [15:28] <Riddell> nixternal: remind me again what happened to pinentry-qt4 | |
| [15:29] <nixternal> Riddell: you need to sync it from debian experimental | |
| [15:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded, also applied upstream | |
| [15:30] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy, done | |
| [15:30] <nixternal> groovy | |
| [15:30] * Riddell grooves with nixternal | |
| [15:30] <nixternal> haha | |
| [15:31] <nixternal> sign me up for UDS USA too, don't forget me :) | |
| [15:33] <Riddell> nixternal: start a wiki page if you like | |
| [15:33] <smarter> does anyone know what directories KStandardDirs check when you do something like myFile = KStandardDirs::locate("appdata", "groups.lst") ? | |
| [15:34] <Riddell> smarter: kde4-config --path appdata | |
| [15:34] <Riddell> kde4-config --path data | |
| [15:34] <dinosaur-rus> hi | |
| [15:34] <smarter> Riddell: thanks :) | |
| [15:35] <seele> Riddell: how do you run reports on the data? http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ is the only website i've found and it looks broken | |
| [15:36] <Riddell> seele: the data is kept hidden and secret because of privacy issues, I might have access to it, what are you looking for? | |
| [15:37] <dinosaur-rus> I got a problem when compiling a Qt 4 program -- linker can't find Xtst.so library. libxtst package is installed, there're /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6 and /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 files, but /usr/lib/libXtst.so symlink is missing | |
| [15:37] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: try libxtst-dev | |
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| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | |
| [15:40] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: oh, thanks :) I had to re-install my system and not everything may be restored :P | |
| [15:41] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: kdelibs5-dev will install a bunch of useful packages like that | |
| [15:41] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-dev more so | |
| [15:41] <seele> Riddell: what the average Kubuntu screen res is and what percent is smaller than 1024 | |
| [15:42] <Riddell> nixternal: bug 259767 | |
| [15:42] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 259767 in kubuntu-docs "kubuntu-docs 8.10-3 update error (/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales-kubuntu/ is not a directory)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259767 | |
| [15:43] <Riddell> seele: I'll ping ogra | |
| [15:43] <\sh> Riddell: I thought the hwdb data was anonymized somehow... | |
| [15:47] <Riddell> \sh: there's no names attached but it could still be traced back | |
| [15:54] <seele> Riddell: awesome.. thanks | |
| [15:56] <dinosaur-rus> BTW, is there any way to tell the X server that my LCD monitor supports 75 Hz refresh rate? frequency ranges in xorg.conf are set, but they seem to have no effect... | |
| [16:22] <dinosaur-rus> who does accept Adept suggestions? :) | |
| [16:23] <seele> Riddell: kde-i18n got back to me and says Desktop Search shouldn't have any problems being translated | |
| [16:23] <freeflying> Riddell: kde4 in intrepid only use ~/.kde? | |
| [16:23] <seele> i dunno how new strings get submitted for translation or if it happens on its own though | |
| [16:27] <Riddell> freeflying: yes | |
| [16:27] <Riddell> seele: I committed it to trunk so that'll happen automatically for 4.2 | |
| [16:28] <seele> ok | |
| [16:28] <Riddell> seele: for intrepid I'd need to patch our packages but first I need to fix the patch to make .desktop files use .po translations | |
| [16:31] <nixternal> Riddell: fixed and uploaded | |
| [16:37] <Riddell> nixternal: rocking | |
| [16:37] <nixternal> davmor2: hey, the about kubuntu thing, check and make sure that khelpcenter is pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde4 and not /usr/share/doc/kde | |
| [16:37] <nixternal> I think | |
| [16:40] <davmor2> hang on | |
| [16:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx | |
| [16:41] <apachelogger> \sh: didn't I paste a new version? | |
| [16:41] <apachelogger> \sh: you just need to reorder the link arguments in the cmake script that gets generated | |
| [16:43] <davmor2> nixternal: I'll do it latter I did realise it was that late. Be an hour or so :) | |
| [16:52] <Riddell> seele: got the hwdb data, lets see how long it takes to uncompress it | |
| [16:59] <davmor2> nixternal: right I've got a few minutes so it's booting up now | |
| [17:01] <davmor2> nixternal: it points at help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu | |
| [17:02] <nixternal> ya, but help might be pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/$cc/kubuntu/* | |
| [17:02] <nixternal> help:// rather | |
| [17:04] <davmor2> nixternal: no error the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist. | |
| [17:05] <nixternal> davmor2: intrepid right? | |
| [17:05] <davmor2> nixternal: correct | |
| [17:05] <apachelogger> you b0rked it | |
| [17:05] <nixternal> ls /usr/share/doc/kde* | |
| [17:05] <nixternal> there isn't a /usr/share/doc/kde/ in intrepid that I know of | |
| [17:05] <apachelogger> well | |
| [17:05] <apachelogger> share/doc/kde4/HTML | |
| [17:06] <apachelogger> the kubuntu docs go to the wrong dir | |
| [17:06] <nixternal> well that is where we are placing KDE 4 docs, so they don't overwrite anything KDE3 that might get installed | |
| [17:07] <nixternal> KDE 3 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/* | |
| [17:07] <nixternal> KDE 4 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/* | |
| [17:07] <nixternal> we need to patch kdebase-workspace or runtime so that KHelpCenter is looking in the correct location(s) | |
| [17:08] <davmor2> nixternal: kde and kde4 are both there | |
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| [17:09] <nixternal> I will have to setup Intrepid sometime in the next week or so and take a look | |
| [17:09] <apachelogger> ehm | |
| [17:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: or we could just remove the cmake arg that makes it use kde/HTML | |
| [17:09] <apachelogger> the kde4 packages which don't replace kde3 are conflicting anyways | |
| [17:12] <davmor2> nixternal: is there anything else I can help you with? | |
| [17:13] <nixternal> davmor2: nah, I think I got it...if not I will poke you with apachelogger | |
| [17:13] <nixternal> the apachelogger of doom! | |
| [17:13] <apachelogger> oioi | |
| [17:16] <davmor2> nixternal: if you burn yourself a live cd that's where it shows up for me on the about kubuntu icon in desktop. If I open up khelpcenter that seems to work okay :) | |
| [17:16] <nixternal> ahhh, that is a .desktop issue....got it! | |
| [17:16] <nixternal> w00t, glad you said that | |
| [17:17] * Riddell adds system-config-printer-kde to KDE SVN | |
| [17:17] <davmor2> I did put it in my bug report ;) | |
| [17:17] <nixternal> ahhh, it tries to open khelpcenter in the desktop file and not khelpcenter4 | |
| [17:17] <jjesse> there isn't any kubuntu documentation in khelpecenter in intrepid yet | |
| [17:17] <jjesse> at least on my ysstem | |
| [17:17] <nixternal> jjesse: is there khelpcenter or khelpcenter4 in intrepid? | |
| [17:17] <nixternal> need to know the binary name | |
| [17:17] <Riddell> there is a khelpcentre | |
| [17:18] <nixternal> hrmm | |
| [17:18] <Riddell> doesn't work terribly well | |
| [17:18] <jjesse> khelpcenter version 4.1.00 | |
| [17:18] <jjesse> and konqi still shows the default konqi start page, "Next: An Introduction to Konqueror | |
| [17:18] <nixternal> OK, I will have to install Intrepid on my lappy at home then | |
| [17:18] <nixternal> it is time I back it up anyways | |
| [17:19] <jjesse> i have it in a virtual machine | |
| [17:19] <davmor2> nixternal: I'll leave it with you :) | |
| [17:19] <nixternal> yay, time to write some more python | |
| [17:19] <nixternal> eclipse + pydev == #1 | |
| [17:22] <Riddell> nixternal: got any keen your kde docs people who want to write a quick doc for system-config-printer-kde? | |
| [17:22] <nixternal> Riddell: myself or jjesse | |
| [17:22] * jjesse ducks and whisltes | |
| [17:22] <nixternal> I can do one up as it only takes an hour or so | |
| [17:23] <jjesse> i don't have time today on site | |
| [17:23] <nixternal> Riddell: email me or file a bug and assign it to me | |
| [17:23] <Riddell> well, I don't want to distract you from kubuntu-docs | |
| [17:23] <nixternal> Riddell: I can multi-task :P | |
| [17:23] <nixternal> I need to do them simultaneously anyways, as KDE 4 docs are blah right now | |
| [17:25] <jjesse> nixternal: best way to get back working on kde docs is to check out all of svn or just the docs folders? | |
| [17:26] <nixternal> you can write a script probably to go through KDE/*/doc to pull each | |
| [17:26] <nixternal> would be less space for sure | |
| [17:27] <jjesse> ok | |
| [17:46] <Riddell> 3.5.10 is available.. but does anyone care? | |
| [17:52] <ScottK-laptop> Yes. | |
| [17:53] <ScottK-laptop> What do you think about 3.5.10 for -proposed/updates? | |
| [17:54] <Riddell> I'd be hesitant, that branch doesn't receive much testing | |
| [17:54] <Riddell> but if someone want to do it, sure | |
| [17:54] <ScottK-laptop> OTOH, I'd expect if the shoved something in there it must be of some significance. | |
| [17:55] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: If you'll give me a list of source packages, I'll try and look at it in the next few days. I want to make sure I get them all. | |
| [17:56] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: just a list, surely you'd need the actual source itself | |
| [17:56] <ScottK-laptop> I assume I can download that from somwhere? | |
| [17:57] <Riddell> nope, it's super secret | |
| [17:58] <ScottK-laptop> OK. Then I guess I need that too. | |
| [18:00] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: probably easiest if I just give you access to ktown | |
| [18:01] <ScottK-laptop> OK. | |
| [18:01] <ScottK-laptop> Please make it read only. | |
| [18:02] <Riddell> hmm, the new launchpad UI doesn't make it easy to find your ssh key | |
| [18:02] <Riddell> or maybe you don't have one in launchpad | |
| [18:02] <Riddell> no, seems you don't | |
| [18:02] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: got an ssh key? | |
| [18:03] <ScottK-laptop> I never made one I cared about after the last fiasco. Give me a moment. | |
| [18:06] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: I worked out how to copy it over | |
| [18:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I got command line args back in and fixed a few things | |
| [18:07] <Riddell> yay | |
| [18:07] <JontheEchidna> Should be ready for review | |
| [18:08] <JontheEchidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4 | |
| [18:11] <JontheEchidna> and hopefully a merge :) | |
| [18:17] <yuriy> oooh | |
| [18:17] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: does it have a KDE-like apply button now? | |
| [18:17] <JontheEchidna> Uh... where? | |
| [18:18] <yuriy> software properties | |
| [18:18] <yuriy> it was gnome like instant apply before | |
| [18:18] <yuriy> except not, it was just weird | |
| [18:18] <JontheEchidna> I didn't add any buttons | |
| [18:18] <JontheEchidna> I'm about to blog about it though | |
| [18:19] <JontheEchidna> once I get pics and stuff | |
| [18:19] <JontheEchidna> before/after pics | |
| [18:23] <Riddell> seele: uncompressing just stopped | |
| [18:24] <JontheEchidna> Who do I see about software-properties merges? | |
| [18:25] <seele> Riddell: o.O | |
| [18:26] <seele> Riddell: how big was the archive? | |
| [18:27] <Riddell> seele: 217394 entries, 4.6 Gigs | |
| [18:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you run it without root, it gives the error box but doesn't quit | |
| [18:31] <JontheEchidna> oops | |
| [18:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, for it quits when I run the script through python without root | |
| [18:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh hang on, it does now | |
| [18:33] <JontheEchidna> whew | |
| [18:33] <Riddell> >sudo python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe | |
| [18:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: breakage ^^ | |
| [18:34] <JontheEchidna> hum | |
| [18:35] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: for some reason kdesudo "python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe" works | |
| [18:36] <JontheEchidna> ...and it deletes everything under universe in etc/apt/sources.list | |
| [18:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: doesn't work with sudo though, just needs a cast to a str somewhere | |
| [18:37] <JontheEchidna> Ok | |
| [18:38] <JontheEchidna> what about the deleting everything under universe in the sources.list? | |
| [18:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's gone! | |
| [18:38] <Riddell> that doesn't seem right | |
| [18:40] <JontheEchidna> does that happen with the normal pyqt build? | |
| [18:41] <Riddell> dunno | |
| [18:43] <Riddell> don't seem to | |
| [18:43] <JontheEchidna> crapity crap | |
| [18:46] <JontheEchidna> Let's see if casting to str helps | |
| [18:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: casting to str first fixes that too | |
| [18:49] <Riddell> yay | |
| [18:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: then e-mail michael vogt, cc me, asking if he wants to do the review/merge or if he's happy for me to do it | |
| [18:51] <JontheEchidna> Ok | |
| [18:58] <Riddell> seele: still grepping.. | |
| [19:05] <seele> Riddell: i hope there is some useful data in there :) | |
| [19:06] <Riddell> seele: hmm, 4500 done of 217394, this could take some time | |
| [19:07] <Riddell> seele: but here's the current output http://paste.ubuntu.com/39178/ | |
| [19:09] <Riddell> seele: this is only people who have bothered to run hwdb-client so I'd guess it's only desktop using fans rather than non-geeks or server users | |
| [19:09] <seele> Riddell: i'm hoping technical skill wont matter in terms of hardware | |
| [19:10] <seele> the same laptop could be used by a home user or a hacker | |
| [19:10] <seele> hmm.. it might be too late to ask, but can it be determined if it is a desktop or laptop? | |
| [19:12] <Riddell> yes although it would take some python playing | |
| [21:08] <fdoving> Riddell: ping. i'm not much around, so the 4th of august you asked about bug 186729. | |
| [21:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186729 | |
| [21:09] <fdoving> Riddell: the whole problem is that kio-umountwrapper wasn't updated for the removal of dolphin/d3lphin, so it kind of expects one file from dolphin to be around. and it doesn't depend on it. | |
| [21:11] <fdoving> so when d3lphin, or konqueror for that matter, is removed before kio-umountwrapper, it'll break. | |
| [21:11] <fdoving> and it's my fault. | |
| [21:12] <fdoving> i belived i made a fixed package with the depends at some point. | |
| [21:13] <fdoving> Riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/intrepid/kio-umountwrapper/ | |
| [21:13] <fdoving> i pointed to that url in one of my comments to the bug. | |
| [21:15] <fdoving> it should be pushed to hardy-updates before upgrades to intrepid starts, to prevent chaos. | |
| [21:18] <smarter> mmh, chaos | |
| [21:19] <fdoving> yeah, for those who remove dolphin upgrades will stop at some point, when/if kio-umountwrapper is removed. | |
| [21:20] <fdoving> ehm, for those who have removed dolphin, and then try to remove kio-umountwrapper, that is. | |
| [21:21] <fdoving> so, kio-umountwrapper needs to depend on dolphin and konqueror, then it's removed first if one of those are uninstalled. | |
| [21:22] <fdoving> i made the .debdiff for this 4th of may. | |
| [21:23] <Riddell> thanks fdoving | |
| [21:35] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: adept3.0~beta1 crashes when ran without sudo | |
| [21:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug 99363 | |
| [21:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 99363 in gtk-qt-engine "i18n for gtk-qt-engine broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99363 | |
| [21:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: gtk-qt-engine needs to go back to main, gtk-qt-engine-kde4 source can be removed ... do we need a new MIR? | |
| [21:40] <apachelogger> considering -engine is -kde4 just a new version :) | |
| [21:41] <JontheEchidna> bbl | |
| [21:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meh | |
| [21:42] * Nightrose puts it on the agenda | |
| [21:45] <fdoving> ah, Gauvain Pocentek has a better solution. | |
| [21:46] <fdoving> Riddell: Gauvain Pocentek has a smarter solution, easier anyway. jsut make the dirs, then the divert will work even if dolphin isn't around. not sure how that will work if dolphin is installed, but i guess dpkg-divert will handle that. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-umountwrapper/+bug/186729/comments/21 and 22 | |
| [21:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [High,In progress] | |
| [21:48] <fdoving> yep, i'm pretty sure dpkg-divert will handle that. so that's a good solution as far as i can tell. | |
| [21:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: no MIR needed | |
| [22:14] <Riddell> seele: how's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/39219/ | |
| [22:36] <seele> Riddell: awesome :) | |
| [22:37] <Riddell> surprisingly few laptops | |
| [22:38] <seele> a lot of desktops seem to have widescreen monitors too | |
| [22:38] <seele> i wonder if they are really laptops? | |
| [22:38] <yuriy__> yeah most of the desktop/laptop things on there don't make sense | |
| [22:39] <Riddell> yuriy__: why do you say that? | |
| [22:39] <seele> Riddell: line 23 | |
| [22:39] <seele> 532 desktops running 1280x800? | |
| [22:39] <seele> that is a pretty typical laptop screen resolution | |
| [22:40] <Riddell> I'm grepping for BAT in the hal output | |
| [22:40] <yuriy__> I don't know of any laptops that do 1280x1024, or any desktops that do 1280x800 or 1280x768 or 1400x1050 | |
| [22:40] <Riddell> there must be a better way to grep for laptop-ness but I don't know what | |
| [22:40] <seele> that's ok.. the data is still useful | |
| [22:40] <seele> is this all ubuntu or just kubuntu? | |
| [22:41] <Riddell> all ubuntu | |
| [22:41] <seele> ok cool | |
| [22:41] <Riddell> seele: what's this for? | |
| [22:41] <seele> Riddell: trying to figure out what screen size we should be designing for as a desktop | |
| [22:41] <seele> Riddell: nuno wants icons + text instead if icons/text | |
| [22:42] <seele> but 1024 is a bit too small for some applications (but it is dubious if they should have text with the icons at all) | |
| [22:42] <seele> some apps it makes sense for, such as okular | |
| [22:42] <seele> plus, when you do icons + text, you use less vertical space | |
| [22:42] <seele> which means more real estate for laptop users | |
| [22:42] <yuriy__> what if it was dependent on how many things are in the toolbar? | |
| [22:43] <seele> yuriy__: that is another possibility | |
| [22:43] <seele> for example, kmail probably doesnt need icons + text, nor does koffice | |
| [22:43] <seele> konqueror.. i'm not sure. i think we could probably do just icons for that too | |
| [22:44] <yuriy__> i'm just glad the toolbar issues are resolved, according to ereslibre's blog and hope that gets backported | |
| [22:44] <seele> dolphin looks pretty nice with icons + text too | |
| [22:44] <smarter> yuriy__: awesome! that thing was driving me mad | |
| [22:45] <seele> Riddell: screen size will also effect what default plasma widgets we should put on the desktop in ibex | |
| [22:45] <seele> and what their default size is | |
| [22:46] <smarter> seele: maybe it could be automagically changed according to the resolution? | |
| [22:46] <seele> smarter: that is something we are considering too.. but that could effect screenshots in documentation | |
| [22:47] <smarter> I always disable icons+text on my EEE(800x480) | |
| [22:47] <seele> first i think nuno and i will look at which apps are a problem under 1024 and see if they need icons + text at all | |
| [22:48] <smarter> "1920 x 1200 laptop" Oo | |
| [22:48] <smarter> who needs a 22' laptop? | |
| [22:53] <yuriy__> what do I have to do to get qt4 designer working again? | |
| === yuriy__ is now known as yuriy | |
| [23:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meh the wiki doesn't want to log me in :( | |
| [23:15] <Nightrose> so i can't edit the page | |
| [23:17] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: Unfortunately you need Firefox. It's broken with Konqueror. | |
| [23:17] * ScottK-laptop filed a bug already. | |
| [23:18] <Nightrose> ScottK-laptop: ahhh thanks | |
| [23:18] <Nightrose> will try in firefox then | |