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[00:04] <Riddell> ScottK: have you tried KDE 4.1? do you think it's -backports material? |
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[00:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I have not. |
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[00:07] <ScottK> I will confess that with this new DNS cache poisoning attack I'm increasingly uncomfortable with use of unsigned repositories like PPAs. |
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[00:08] <ScottK> Riddell: If a few people try it and generally find it major regression free compared to the KDE4 Remix, then I'd say go for it. |
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[00:30] <seele> Riddell: thanks |
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[00:51] <jjesse> fresh install of intrepid and i'm liking what i'm seeing ;) |
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[00:59] <jjesse> is nixternal not here? |
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[02:06] <Jucato> Riddell or ryanakca: <flaccid> Jucato: rc mentioned on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 . who can ammend? --> "To update to the release candidate of KDE 4.1, please follow these instructions" |
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[02:07] <ryanakca> Jucato: thanks, I guess it should be "To update to KDE 4.1, please..." ? |
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[02:07] <Jucato> yep |
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[02:08] <Jucato> or "to install KDE 4.1"... heh now I'm not sure which of the two :P |
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[02:09] <ryanakca> I went for update |
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[02:09] <Jucato> :) |
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[02:26] <nixternal> jeesh, who would have ever thought that importing folders and messages into kmail-kde4 would be such a pita |
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[02:31] <vorian> grrr |
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[02:31] <vorian> hi nixternal |
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[02:32] <nixternal> howdy |
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[02:32] <vorian> looking for a new computer eh? |
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[02:33] <nixternal> ya, mine keeps shuttin' down when it wants to |
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[02:33] <nixternal> kmail-kde4 importing action taking place |
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[02:33] <vorian> arg, no good |
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[02:33] <nixternal> 100,000 emails imported with a few million left to go! |
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[02:33] <vorian> haha |
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[02:33] <vorian> sheminie |
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[02:33] <nixternal> no doubt |
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[02:34] <nixternal> I have all of my original email from the 90s |
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[02:34] <vorian> how in the world did you manage that? |
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[02:34] <nixternal> Slackware, SuSE, Debian, VA Linux (whoa), Corel Linux, LFS, and even BSD stuff |
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[02:34] <nixternal> used Mutt forever on a server and never got rid of my old email |
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[02:35] <vorian> that is amazing |
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[02:36] <vorian> i have a few i've held on too for a few years |
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[02:36] <vorian> but |
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[02:36] <vorian> all! |
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[02:36] <nixternal> hehe, ya |
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[02:36] <vorian> kudo's |
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[02:36] <nixternal> even old shuttleworth posts on debian when nobody knew who he was |
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[02:36] <nixternal> same with that Riddell character on Debian and KDE :) |
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[02:36] <vorian> haha |
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[02:37] <nixternal> a ton of Matthew Garret Debian posts when I thought he was snooty |
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[02:38] <nixternal> I am willing to bet that Matthew Garrett has the lead of most emails in my folders |
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[02:38] <nixternal> yay, 9% complete with 700,000 emails imported |
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[02:38] <vorian> excellent |
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[02:38] <vorian> and very crazy |
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[02:39] <nixternal> kmail-kde4 is the hottness...well kontact-kde4 that is |
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[02:39] <nixternal> next is to import my contacts |
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[02:39] <vorian> i need to fix pim it seems |
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[02:39] <vorian> damn it, etc ... |
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[02:50] <nixternal> just noticed that the kmail icon in the system tray isn't meant for messages over 1,000,000 new...I can't even read the amount anymore |
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[02:50] <nixternal> it is so small |
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[02:50] <nixternal> and it keeps disappearing |
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[02:58] <nixternal> ummm, that wasn't 7 million...I have surpassed that and haven't even hit 50% yet |
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[02:58] <nixternal> wth |
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[03:01] <nixternal> 13 million and it says 31%..this is scary as hell |
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[03:02] <vorian> dude, that is crazy |
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[03:03] <Jucato> you have that much mail? O.o |
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[03:03] * Jucato doesn't know how he'll survive that much... |
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[03:03] <nixternal> 14,000,000 and still 31% |
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[03:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: just "lose" some. |
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[03:04] <nixternal> but it is showing that it is importing the last folder in the popup window |
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[03:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah. that's how I never use up more than 10% of Gmail's capacity... |
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[03:05] <nixternal> my gmail capacity is almost reached weekly with spam :P |
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[03:05] <Jucato> hahah |
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[03:05] <Jucato> I wished gmail would let you configure spam autodeletion time.. 30 days is just "Too Much" (TM) |
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[03:05] <nixternal> oh man, now it is hitting debian |
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[03:06] <nixternal> oh, that was scary, it was just a quicky import |
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[03:07] <vorian> how many in total? |
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[03:08] <nixternal> 34 million |
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[03:09] * vorian faints |
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[07:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/249156 |
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[07:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] |
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[07:47] <Nightrose> can you have a look please? |
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[07:47] <Jucato> thought that was known upstream bug, but fixed in trunk... not 100% sure though |
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[08:11] <Arby> morning all |
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[08:14] <etretyak> morning Arby |
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[08:16] <Jucato> hello kde4 ninja :) |
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[08:16] <Jucato> kubuntu ninja I mean |
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[08:18] <Arby> :D |
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[08:18] <Arby> that came as a complete surprise |
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[09:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=171000 |
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[09:11] <apachelogger> if you get me a .11 tarball I will upate the package |
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[09:11] <apachelogger> until them scru'em |
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[09:11] <apachelogger> *then |
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[09:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry - other problems right now :/ |
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[09:13] <apachelogger> +1 |
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[09:19] <apachelogger> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/strigi |
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[09:19] <apachelogger> ...one day... |
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[09:21] <apachelogger> http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ |
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[09:21] <apachelogger> ok |
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[09:21] <apachelogger> ehm |
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[09:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: please sync strigi from debian |
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[09:22] <apachelogger> fixes bug 249156 |
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[09:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249156 |
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[09:27] <apachelogger> uploading to kde4 ppa |
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[09:31] <Tonio_> hi there |
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[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: my sbscription to the kubuntu-council launchpad group just expired |
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[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: could you renew it please ? |
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[09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: and fyi, I'll go with 2 contrib days tomorrow and on friday... you can expect a bunch of uploads then :) |
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[09:32] <Tonio_> I have a few things ready for upload (kdebluetooth and so on) |
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[10:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: synced |
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[10:15] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't seem to be able to log on to gmail talk using kopete |
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[10:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: added back |
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[10:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks |
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[10:17] <apachelogger> !info libqca2-plugin-ossl |
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[10:17] <ubottu> libqca2-plugin-ossl (source: qca2-plugin-ossl): QCA OSSL plugin for libqca2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~20070904-3 (hardy), package size 108 kB, installed size 348 kB |
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[10:17] <apachelogger> davmor2: ^ |
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[10:17] <apachelogger> davmor2: are you on intrepid? |
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[10:18] <davmor2> yes sorry I didn't clarify that bit I'm using intrepid. Running some general smoke test to try and get rid of some of the bugs before A4 |
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[10:19] * apachelogger didn't have time to write the MIR yet |
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[10:19] <apachelogger> and I guess no one else did ;_) |
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[10:20] <davmor2> well as long as you know it's an issue :) I'll carry on testing :) |
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[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32118/ languages which didn't make it into 4.1.0 - should I file a bug so we don't forget to remove them in time, or do you want to kick them out right away? |
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[10:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: shrug, they don't do any harm and removing them wouldn't actually change anything (the strings would still be in launchpad) |
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[10:23] <apachelogger> ok |
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[10:24] <Wubbbi> Hello :) |
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[10:24] <Riddell> do we need a main inclusion review for libqca2-plugin-ossl? |
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[10:25] <ubuntu__> hello (testing, testing, 123) |
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[10:25] <Hobbsee> test fail. |
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[10:25] <ubuntu__> well this seems to work okay :) |
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[10:25] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you away? |
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[10:25] <Hobbsee> hello davmor2 :) |
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[10:25] <ubuntu__> hello hobbsee :) |
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[10:26] <davmor2> Hobbsee: how do :) |
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[10:27] <Riddell> we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2 but I guess we need one for that plugin too |
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[10:27] <apachelogger> probably |
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[10:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't we drop preparetips from kdelibs-bin.install or move the cdbs scripts for extracting message to that very same package? |
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[10:33] <apachelogger> right now one can't install kdesdk-scripts with kdelibs-bin nor can kdesdk, kdesdk-dbg and probably some other metapackages be installed |
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[10:34] <davmor2> is it me or is kmail really slow at imap folder setup? It's syncing the mails quick enough just took forever to set up the folders. |
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[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I did drop it from kdelibs-bin.install |
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[10:43] <Tonio_> re |
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[10:44] <Riddell> davmor2: doesn't that setup include downloading all the message headers? |
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[10:46] <davmor2> Riddell: the downloading of the headers were quick. It was the folder creation that took forever. It took about 2 minutes to create the folders and about a minute after to dl the header |
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[10:50] <davmor2> Riddell: as a comparison Evolution sets up the folders in about 30-40 seconds and the mail headers take about 1 minute or so. |
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[10:51] <davmor2> Riddell: and if memory serves on mobile it didn't take that long either. |
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[11:01] * smarter waves |
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[11:02] <Wubbbi> smarter: hello :) |
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[11:03] <smarter> hi Wubbbi |
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[11:04] <Wubbbi> smarter: can you help me a little bit? I have created the "watch" file now, and I have written the get-orig source into "Rules" ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32130/ is that ok ? ) What to do now? |
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[11:07] <smarter> Wubbbi: you need to change a bit the get-orig-source to remove the non-free files |
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[11:08] <smarter> also, have you tried to use it? bzcat ../sysinfo-$${version}.zip is not going to work, you must use unzip with a .zip |
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[11:09] <smarter> so unzip foo.zip && \ cd foo/icons && \ rm nvidia.png bla.png bar.png && \ cd ../.. && \ tar czf foo.orig.tar.gz foo && \ rm foo.zip |
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[11:10] <Wubbbi> so it sould call " unzip ../sysinfo-$$... " ? |
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[11:11] <Wubbbi> smarter: and how did the system know what Icons need to add ( after they are removed ) ? |
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[11:12] <smarter> you can create a directory debian/icons and put these icons here, the use a debian/install to install them |
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[11:12] <Wubbbi> ahhh ok |
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[11:12] <Wubbbi> thats sounds easy :) |
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[11:12] <smarter> but you've said that they already exist in the oxygen theme no? |
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[11:12] <Wubbbi> yes they do |
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[11:14] <smarter> Wubbbi: then, the Best Way ® would be too patch the source to use system icons(which is oxygen for KDE4) |
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[11:14] <Wubbbi> how to do that? |
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[11:15] <smarter> no idea :p |
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[11:15] <Wubbbi> xD |
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[11:15] <smarter> but api.kde.org certainly knows |
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[11:16] <Wubbbi> ok ... let us go back to remove the non-free icons. There is one point I dont understand ... foo = the programm ( sysinfo ) ? and where I have to add this line? |
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[11:19] <smarter> Wubbbi: first, make the get-orig-source work, it has to unzip, then tar czf(== create a tar.gz) sysinfo |
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[11:19] <smarter> this is basic shell, nothing difficult |
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[11:20] <smarter> the goal is that when you do debian/rules get-orig-source in a terminal, a sysinfo_1.X.X.orig.tar.gz appears in the directory |
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[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: some plasmoids don't work anymore here |
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[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the folder view for example.... works with the hardy kde4.1 packages... |
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[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I investigated, but didn't found the issue |
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[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem ? |
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[11:22] <Riddell> "don't work" "works" I'm confused |
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[11:24] <supert0nes> is there any way for kubuntu phonon to support oss4 even tho hal doesnt and therefore the generic phonon doesnt? |
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[11:25] <Riddell> I don't know what oss4 is, but phonon isn't related to hal |
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[11:25] <supert0nes> i think phonon checks hal |
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[11:26] <supert0nes> for sound devices |
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[11:26] <supert0nes> oss open sound system |
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[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: folder view is seen as an "unknown applet" |
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[11:33] <supert0nes> ahh sorry to ask here this isnt the place, but freedesktop.org and phonon are very difficult places to get answers |
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[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried with a clean .kde, doesn't change anything |
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[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: seen as a correct applet with hardy and kde4.1 packages |
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[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: does this make sense ? |
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[11:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you have kdebase-plasma installed? |
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[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup |
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[11:36] <Riddell> works for me |
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[11:36] <Tonio_> hum weird.... I also have a couple of other issues.... |
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[11:36] <Tonio_> very strange |
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[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture89.png |
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[11:37] <Tonio_> that's what I have, all files are present (so and desktop) for the applet... |
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[11:37] <Tonio_> also with a new profile/account the problem is still there.... very weird... |
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[11:38] <Tonio_> retesting with a new account... |
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[11:40] <Tonio_> ouch kde doesn't even start with a new account... |
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[11:40] <Tonio_> my all installation seems to be broken.... |
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[11:40] <Tonio_> failsafe mode is broken too..... what the hell happens on my machine ?? |
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[11:41] <Tonio_> apt-get remove --purge 'kde*' |
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[11:41] <Tonio_> and we'll see :) |
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[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: planning to get konqueror-plugin-searchbar into main ? |
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[11:42] <smarter> Are we going to package kdebluetooth4 as -kde4 or replace the kde3 version? |
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[11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I guess I could just promote that, it was previously in main |
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[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect so yes |
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[11:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: could you take a look at the patch on bug #39383 at some point? it's pretty small and may be obsoleted by kdebluetooth4 |
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[11:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 39383 in kdebluetooth "No icons in GNOME" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39383 |
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[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: will look |
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[11:43] <smarter> (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84761&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=635cf6e48ecd02666435465b724aa96b) |
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[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: the autostarter we did with allee does only start with kde, obviously.... |
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[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can change that with the next upload |
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[11:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: (I'm not saying the patch is correct) |
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[11:45] <davmor2> Riddell: I just clicked on about kubuntu it dies. The follow error is shown "the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist." should it read help://? |
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[11:45] <Riddell> ah, docs |
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[11:45] <Riddell> they need rewritten for KDE 4 really |
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[11:46] <Riddell> nixternal: should we put a call out for someone to do KDE 4 docs? |
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[11:47] <davmor2> do you want a report making out as a reminder Riddell? |
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[11:47] <Riddell> davmor2: yeah |
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[11:47] <davmor2> np's |
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[11:50] <Jucato> gah! my bad sorry Riddell I forgot to put the link to Meetings wiki when I did the topic :/ |
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[11:51] <Riddell> Jucato: what's that? |
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[11:52] <Jucato> Riddell: I forgot to link to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings in the topic :/ |
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[11:53] <Riddell> Jucato: it's in this channel too |
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[11:53] <Xand3r> i have changed pbuilder-dist/etc/hardy/apt.conf , how i can get pbuilder-dist use it? |
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[11:53] <Jucato> Riddell: heh nvm :) |
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=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Happy 4.1 Day | Next meeting: Wednesday 30 July, 22:00 UTC at #kubuntu-devel - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings |
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[11:55] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 253244 |
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[11:55] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/253244 |
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[11:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253244 |
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[11:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] |
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[11:58] <smarter> Xand3r: try running pbuilder-dist with --override-config |
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[11:58] <Xand3r> smarter: thx |
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[11:58] <smarter> Xand3r: if it doesn't work pbuilder-dist intrepid login, add whatever you needs to /etc/apt/sources.list, exit, launch pbuilder-dist intrepid update --override-config |
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[12:00] <danimo> hi |
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[12:00] <smarter> hi danimo |
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[12:01] <danimo> does anyone know why why kubuntu-kde4-desktop does not seem to depend on libkonq5-templates? |
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[12:01] <Xand3r> smarter: thx first solution worked fine |
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[12:01] <danimo> (or any of its subpackages, e.g. konqueror-kde4 or dolphin-kde4 ? |
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[12:05] <smarter> danimo: konqueror-kde4 depends on libkonq5 which depends on libkonq5-templates |
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[12:06] <danimo> smarter: but konqueror-kde4 is installed here, and it didnt't pull the dependency... |
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[12:06] <smarter> are you using KDE4 PPA or just hardy repos? |
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[12:06] <danimo> PPA |
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[12:06] <danimo> for 4.1 |
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[12:07] <smarter> so apt-cache show konqueror-kde4|grep libkonq5 |
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[12:07] <gnomefreak> is there plans on adding neon to intrepid in the ear future? |
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[12:07] <smarter> should return something |
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[12:08] <gnomefreak> smarter: you most likely need spaces in there |
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[12:08] <gnomefreak> smarter: it failes there way you haveit |
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[12:08] <jpds> gnomefreak: I think the schudule might just allow Amarok 2 to slip in. |
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[12:08] <smarter> gnomefreak: pipes work without space here |
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[12:08] <Serega> hi there |
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[12:08] <gnomefreak> i just tested |
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[12:09] <smarter> just tested too :} |
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[12:09] <gnomefreak> smarter: it doesnt output anything |
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[12:09] <gnomefreak> im not using the PPA since im on intrepid |
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[12:09] <smarter> gnomefreak: there's no konqueror-kde4 in intrepid, just konqueror |
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[12:10] <smarter> danimo: what's the output of dpkg -l|grep libkonq5 ? |
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[12:10] <gnomefreak> ah its been changed |
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[12:10] <danimo> ii libkonq5 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 core libraries for Konqueror |
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[12:10] <danimo> ii libkonq5-templates 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 data files for the Konqueror libraries |
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[12:11] <danimo> smarter: (I installed it) |
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[12:11] <smarter> danimo: apt-cache rdepends libkonq5-templates |
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[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: the 'kate doesn't quit properly' is bug |
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[12:12] <apachelogger> happens on windows as well |
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[12:12] <apachelogger> and apparently also for kopete |
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[12:13] <danimo> Reverse Depends: |
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[12:13] <danimo> |libkonq5 |
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[12:13] <danimo> libkonq5 |
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[12:13] <danimo> strange |
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[12:14] <smarter> and same thing for libkonq5? |
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[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: is known bug? |
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[12:15] <apachelogger> didn't look at bugs.kde.org |
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[12:15] <apachelogger> danimo: is it a known bug that kate doesn't quit properly? |
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[12:15] <apachelogger> danimo: see kate -> file -> quit vs. kate -> kwin's close button |
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[12:16] <danimo> apachelogger: no idea + out for lunch |
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[12:16] <danimo> bbl |
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[12:16] <Notch-1> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492231 please help me dealing with this strange guys :D |
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[12:17] <ubottu> Debian bug 492231 in general "general: unable to mount fixed drives" [Important,Open] |
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[12:18] <Notch-1> this guys are telling me strange things, and are even talking about your distro |
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[12:18] <apachelogger> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libkonq5-templates | kdesktop |
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[12:18] <apachelogger> smarter: ^ |
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[12:18] <apachelogger> maybe I should count how many of this deps I find |
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[12:19] <apachelogger> at least 3 this week already |
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[12:19] <smarter> Oo |
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[12:19] <Notch-1> goto the "Mmmm, i'll ask kubuntu people..." point, if you don't want to read the whole page... |
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[12:21] <Wubbbi> smarter: hmmm ... sorry I have been away ^^ So is this like this ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32163/ |
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[12:22] <smarter> Notch-1: indeed, we patch KDE to allow mounting of NTFS disks, but it's not totally insecure since it requires sudo password |
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[12:22] <Notch-1> nono, it's not a ntfs thing |
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[12:22] <Notch-1> it's fixed disks thing |
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[12:22] <gnomefreak> someone messed up when they built akonadi |
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[12:23] <gnomefreak> in the PPA |
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[12:23] <smarter> Wubbbi: gzip is for file, tar(.gz) is for directories, you're unziping a directory and gunzipping it without putting it in a tar first, it's not going to work |
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[12:23] <apachelogger> smarter, danimo: Uploading to kde4 (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): |
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[12:23] <apachelogger> kdebase-kde4_4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2.dsc: done. |
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[12:23] <Notch-1> this guys are telling me that thanks to the debian policy i can't mount fixed drive with hal... |
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[12:23] <apachelogger> libkonq5 fixed |
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[12:23] <apachelogger> Notch-1: what is a fixed drive? |
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[12:23] <smarter> Notch-1: what do you mean by fixed drive? |
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[12:23] <smarter> heh :P |
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[12:23] <Wubbbi> smarter: and how should it call now? |
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[12:24] <Notch-1> a internal hard-disk |
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[12:24] <Notch-1> sorry :P |
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[12:24] <Notch-1> read the first post, it's all clearly explained |
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[12:25] <apachelogger> well |
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[12:25] <apachelogger> it defenitely got to do with permissions |
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[12:26] <Notch-1> yes, i think so |
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[12:26] <Notch-1> but i tried everything... |
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[12:26] <smarter> we patched kdebase to launch kdesu to mount drives when you click on them |
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[12:26] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok ... so that mean ... I unzip it. Then it is a normal folder. And then I have to tar.gz it wo make a orig.tar.gz?! ... Now to write it down to the rules? |
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[12:26] <smarter> Wubbbi: yes |
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[12:26] <Notch-1> and this guys won't tell me where to find a configuration file to change this behavior :D |
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[12:26] <smarter> Wubbbi: remove the "| gunzip -bla" part |
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[12:27] <Wubbbi> smarter: "gzip -9fn -c - > \" this? |
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[12:27] <Notch-1> smarter: you mean that dolphin is launched with root permission?? |
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[12:27] <smarter> Notch-1: no |
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[12:27] <Notch-1> nice |
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[12:28] <smarter> you click on the disk, a popup appears and ask for your password, it mount the disks, then you can use it |
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[12:28] <Notch-1> ah, i don't have this on my kubuntu |
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[12:28] <Notch-1> i just click |
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[12:29] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok I have removed it ... and now? |
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[12:29] <Wubbbi> what I need to add? |
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[12:29] <smarter> Wubbbi: replace it by "&& \" (every line should finish with that, except the last one) |
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[12:29] <Notch-1> it's a fresh version, downloaded 2 days ago, when i started to talk with this people :DDD |
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[12:29] <smarter> Wubbbi: and add a line to create the tar.gz |
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[12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff |
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[12:30] <smarter> Notch-1: if you have already used kdesu/sudo before, maybe it will not ask for your password a second time |
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[12:30] <Wubbbi> smarter: ufff ... how should it call? I never done this. I allways make a right klick and then "archive it to ... " ^^ |
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[12:30] <apachelogger> Notch-1: kde4? ;-) |
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[12:30] <Notch-1> smarter: nono, even in livecd mode |
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[12:30] <smarter> Wubbbi: use the man page, or tar --help |
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[12:31] <Notch-1> apachelogger: nope :D |
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[12:31] <smarter> Notch-1: that's normal, there's no password in the livecd |
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[12:31] <apachelogger> righto |
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[12:31] <Notch-1> ah, right :D |
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[12:31] <apachelogger> no password so that users can't lock themselfs out ;-) |
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[12:31] <Notch-1> i had istalled it now, let's try :D |
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[12:31] <Notch-1> hehehe |
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[12:31] <smarter> now, tell the Debian people we don't make insecures things ;) |
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[12:32] <Notch-1> smarter: forgive me, but still no password, installed mode this time :D |
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[12:32] <Notch-1> :DDD |
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[12:32] <Notch-1> debian people are very strange |
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[12:32] <Notch-1> i'm shamed to use debian, since some days :D |
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[12:32] <smarter> hmm, strange |
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[12:33] <Notch-1> eh, what you can tell me about them? |
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[12:33] <davmor2> Riddell: any ideas on when amorok2 might make it into Kubuntu? |
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[12:33] <apachelogger> davmor2: amarok-kde4 |
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[12:33] <smarter> davmor2: it's already in Intrepid |
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[12:33] <apachelogger> hardy as well |
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[12:33] <Notch-1> just to undestand if i have to trash my live debian system that cost me 2 years of work to make it run on evry pc, with all i need... |
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[12:33] <davmor2> not on the cd's though |
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[12:34] <Riddell> davmor2: no, they don't want it on the CDs for intrepid |
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[12:35] <Wubbbi> smarter: tar -cjf <My data> archiv.tar.gz ??? |
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[12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: what does that change? |
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[12:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: version typo |
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[12:35] <davmor2> Riddell: Why? Will it not be stable enough or something? |
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[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: someone replaced any 4.0.98 in the control with 4.1.0 causing the conflict to make the package uninstallable |
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[12:36] <supert0nes> ktorrent fits into that doesnt quit properly |
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[12:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah |
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[12:36] <Notch-1> smarter: i double checked it, it is still not asking anything (in the installed version)... is there a way to flush possible cached password? |
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[12:37] <apachelogger> davmor2: no way to tell |
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[12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded, thakns |
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[12:37] <Riddell> thanks |
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[12:38] <Notch-1> smarter: ok it was cached, now is asking... but i never checked the "don't ask again" ckbox, butmaybe i'm wrong... |
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[12:38] <davmor2> K3b "Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable. K3b uses dvd+rw-format to format DVD-RW's and DVD+RW's. Solution: Install the dvd+rw-tools package." |
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[12:38] <davmor2> should this be installed by default or not? |
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[12:39] <Riddell> davmor2: guess so |
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[12:40] <davmor2> I'll report it then Riddell :) |
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[12:40] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, actually I have it installed and still get that message |
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[12:40] <davmor2> Bug with K3b then maybe? |
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[12:41] <Riddell> davmor2: yep |
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[12:41] <smarter> Notch-1: it's always cached for a certain amount of time, no checkbox |
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[12:42] <Wubbbi> smarter: is that right? |
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[12:42] <smarter> Wubbbi: tar czf bla.orig.tar.gz bla |
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[12:42] <Wubbbi> ohh ok thx |
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[12:43] <Wubbbi> what is the last bla about? |
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[12:43] <jpds> Wubbbi: The folder. |
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[12:43] <Wubbbi> and that should be? |
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[12:44] <jpds> Wubbbi: <My data> |
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[12:45] <vorian> yo yo |
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[12:45] <Wubbbi> ok |
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[12:46] * Riddell out for a bit |
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[12:47] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 253253 |
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[12:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253253 in k3b "Intrepid: Kubuntu K3b error message... Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253253 |
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[12:47] <Notch-1> smarter: ah,thanks |
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[12:47] <Notch-1> i'm new with working systems :DD |
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[12:48] <Notch-1> it was so beautiful, when i asked why i had to do things by hand they told me that linux in not windows :DDDDDDDD |
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[12:50] <apachelogger> Oo |
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[12:50] <apachelogger> linux is not awkward either |
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[12:50] * apachelogger shudders |
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[12:51] <Notch-1> i'm about to trash debian shit and make my system work on kubuntu :D |
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[12:51] <Notch-1> i have some strange needs, like loop device mounted root, and so on... i spent much time so set all up, what a waste of time... |
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[12:53] <Notch-1> are there significant things i better know about kubuntu, before the exorcism? :DD |
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[12:53] <Notch-1> any different way to handle things... |
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[12:54] <Tonio_> re |
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[12:54] <Notch-1> (in a few words, will be enough) |
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[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just purged k* and reinstalled kubutu-desktop, didn't change anything on my side |
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[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting that you create a new user and test... |
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[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't even open a kde session with a new user in the first place |
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[12:55] <Tonio_> or any other person interested in testing.... |
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[12:56] <Tonio_> although, now I reinstalled everything, my kde3 apps using the systray don't go in the tray anymore.... I just get small windows including the icon.... I may miss a kde3 package |
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[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea of the package required for this ? |
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[12:59] <apachelogger> !info libfacile-dev intrepid |
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[12:59] <ubottu> Package libfacile-dev does not exist in intrepid |
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[13:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: do you experience any problems with the folder view plasmoid ? |
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[13:00] * apachelogger doesn't use folderview ;-) |
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[13:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you use it, don't you? |
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[13:01] <Nightrose> i do |
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[13:01] <Tonio_> Nightrose: and it works ? |
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[13:01] <Nightrose> jep |
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[13:01] <Nightrose> no problems here |
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[13:01] <Nightrose> though this is not a fresh install |
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[13:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: what is the problem? |
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[13:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: some applets are dead and just don't work |
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[13:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I suspect a problem with xdg |
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[13:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: with my "tonio" account, my desktop folder is /home/tonio/Desktop |
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[13:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: when I create a new account, the desktop folder is translated /home/tonio/Bureau |
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[13:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kde doesn't even start |
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[13:03] <Tonio_> that can make sense |
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[13:04] <apachelogger> would be quite strange |
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[13:04] <apachelogger> folderview should use kstandarddirs I guess |
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[13:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the point is that I kde doesn't start when I create a new account |
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[13:04] <vorian> hmmm |
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[13:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: btw I just apt-get remove --purge k* , performed an autoremove, and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop |
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[13:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: means I'm pretty sure my computer is cleaned of any broken package |
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[13:05] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32178/ |
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[13:05] <apachelogger> Tonio_: anything interesting in .xsession-errors? |
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[13:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: performing a test before this and I'll let you know |
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[13:07] <Tonio_> hum...... creating a Desktop folder doesn't help |
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[13:07] <smarter> Wubbbi: looks at where all the other "&& \" are and where you're one is, and try to understand what it is for |
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[13:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://paste.toniox.org/44 |
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[13:08] <Tonio_> that's ugly :) |
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[13:08] <Wubbbi> && = and do ... |
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[13:08] <Wubbbi> ? |
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[13:08] <smarter> Wubbbi: yep, but the \ is here to allow you to change line |
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[13:08] <smarter> Wubbbi: and the orig must contains the version |
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[13:08] <Wubbbi> and that mean? |
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[13:09] <smarter> Wubbbi: what means what? |
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[13:09] <Wubbbi> <smarter> Wubbbi: yep, but the \ is here to allow you to change line |
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[13:09] <apachelogger> Tonio_: looks unhealthy ;-) |
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[13:09] <apachelogger> meh |
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[13:09] <apachelogger> uploading l10n makes me lag bigtime |
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[13:09] <Tonio_> permissions issue somehow ? |
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[13:10] <Tonio_> rebooting to test |
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[13:10] * apachelogger goes out for some coffee |
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[13:11] <smarter> Wubbbi: it means the newline is escaped, so that if you press return to do a new line, it will be the same as if there was no \ and no newline |
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[13:12] <Wubbbi> aha ok ... is that better now http://paste.ubuntu.com/32180/ @ smarter |
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[13:12] <smarter> Wubbbi: are you sure you understand what the "&& \" is for? |
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[13:13] <smarter> by the way, you should use a "_" before the version number, not a "-" |
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[13:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I suspect my problem can be due to my .kde |
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[13:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but the really strange point is that not any new user can connect..... that, I don't understand the point, any clue ? |
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[13:14] <smarter> Wubbbi: have you looked at the lastline? it's what you kio-sysinfo-$${version}-whatever should be |
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[13:15] <Tonio_> apachelogger: my testing user has the same groups as the standard, so that may not be a permissions issue..... |
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[13:16] <Wubbbi> smarter: so I should rename the line " ${CURDIR}/${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}.orig.tar.gz "? |
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[13:16] <smarter> Wubbbi: you should use that instead of kio-sysinfo-bla |
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[13:17] <seezer> anyone building kde4 applications with kde packages from kubuntu? my 4.1.0 FindAutomoc4.cmake file fails to find automoc4 - iirc it was able to find it in 4.0.8x. any hints? |
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[13:17] <smarter> Wubbbi: and please, try to understand what the "\" is for, putting one on the middle of a line does not make sense |
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[13:20] <Tonio_> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/247003 |
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[13:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 247003 in mesa "gnome-session makes Xorg crash in xf86SetScrnInfoModes" [Undecided,Incomplete] |
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[13:20] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I should link the bug to kdm too I guess |
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[13:20] <Tonio_> exactly the same issue |
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[13:21] <Wubbbi> smarter: Like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32182/ |
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[13:21] <smarter> Wubbbi: what is the last line for? |
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[13:22] <smarter> Wubbbi: use && \ |
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[13:22] <Wubbbi> smarter: I dont know ^^ the wiki Guid gave me that ^^ |
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[13:22] <smarter> Wubbbi: try to understand how it worked and why it's not going to work with the changes you did |
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[13:26] <Wubbbi> smarter: can you give me the wikipage again? I have lost it :/ |
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[13:26] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok what should I typ into goodle? |
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[13:26] <Wubbbi> google |
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[13:27] <smarter> Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete |
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[13:27] <smarter> you could have used wiki.ubuntu.com search to find that |
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[13:41] <Wubbbi> smarter: hmmm the wiki dont tell me what "${CURDIR}/${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" means |
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[13:41] <Wubbbi> :/ |
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[13:41] <smarter> Wubbbi: try to use your brain |
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[13:44] <Wubbbi> smarter: hihi xD |
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[13:46] <Wubbbi> ok that mean "${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}" --- "Package_verion" ok ... |
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[13:46] <Wubbbi> version |
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[13:46] <Wubbbi> but what is that? "${CURDIR" |
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[13:46] <Wubbbi> ${CURDIR} |
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[13:48] <smarter> current directory :P |
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[13:48] <smarter> but you could have added echo ${CURDIR} in the get-orig-source to see what it's supposed to do |
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[13:51] <Wubbbi> smarter: Is that like this right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32189/ |
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[13:52] <smarter> no :'( |
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[13:53] <smarter> wth is this "${CURDIR}/kio-sysinfo_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" doing in the middle of nowhere, and why do you have a \ but don't have a line feed? |
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[13:57] <Wubbbi> smarter: should I remove "${CURDIR}/kio-sysinfo_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" ? |
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[13:57] <smarter> \o/ |
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[13:58] <smarter> yes |
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[13:58] <smarter> and add ${CURDIR}/ to you kio-sysinfo thing |
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[14:00] <Wubbbi> smarter: Like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32193/ |
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[14:00] <smarter> YES !! :) |
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[14:01] <smarter> now you just need to add commands to remove the non-free icons before the tar czf |
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[14:01] <smarter> and add .dfsg to the version number |
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[14:01] <Wubbbi> Yeah! :D |
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[14:06] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok now they should be remove right ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32195/ ) what to do now? |
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[14:09] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok now they are removed ... what to do now? Creat a "Icon" folder in Debian, and put the Icons into there. And they add that Icons to the Rule file, to Install them right? |
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[14:10] <smarter> Wubbbi: use debian/install to install them |
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[14:12] <Wubbbi> ok ... and what to right in install? |
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[14:13] <smarter> Wubbbi: debian/icons/bla.png usr/share/bla/ |
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[14:14] <Wubbbi> right = write xD |
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[14:21] <Wubbbi> smarter: that does usr/share/bla mean? oO |
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[14:25] <Wubbbi> smarter ? |
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[14:26] <smarter> Wubbbi: that means that if the file has to be installed in /usr/share/bla, you should write usr/share/bla/ |
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[14:29] <Wubbbi> smarter: ohhh they need to be installed ... ok |
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[14:30] <Wubbbi> smarter: Is it possible to say ... " /usr/share/kio-sysinfo ??? |
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[14:30] <Wubbbi> or better "/usr/share/kio-sysinfo/icons |
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[14:30] <Wubbbi> " |
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[14:31] <smarter> Wubbbi: I don't know, see where they are installed |
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[14:31] <smarter> use dpkg -L nameofthepackage |
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[14:33] <Wubbbi> smarter: hmmm ... why they need to be installed? I mean I have them in The "icons" folder |
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[14:35] <smarter> Wubbbi: because, how does dpkg now where they should go if you don't write it in the debian/install file? |
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[14:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: could you please check the video in my latest blog post and tell me your opinion when I get back in some hours? |
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[14:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: the link is http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/07/background-stuff.html |
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[14:37] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: sure, i'll look at it in a few |
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[14:37] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: is there a package of the latest updates? |
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[14:37] <Wubbbi> smarter: ohhh right so that mean that the icons are going to install on /usr/share/bla ... ok ...but that makes me confuse "[15:31] <smarter> Wubbbi: I don't know, see where they are installed" ... I dont knwo where they are installed. First you are saying they need to be install at xy and then you say they are installed at xy ... what now? |
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[14:37] <smarter> Wubbbi: I have to go IRL, be back later |
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[14:37] <smarter> Wubbbi: use dpkg -L to see where they are installed |
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[14:38] <smarter> then write that down in the debian/install file |
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[14:44] <Wubbbi> smarter: hä? where is what installed? |
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[14:49] <jjesse> quick question in intrepid, is there a replacement for the system settings disks and filesystems that would allow me to control mount points etc? |
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[14:49] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: there isn't one yet |
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[14:49] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: bummer... need to remember how to config mount points manually then :( |
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[14:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah |
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[14:50] <JontheEchidna> :( |
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[14:50] <jjesse> new device notifier is showing my NTFS drive and also my FAT32 drive but when i click on "open in dolphin" nothing happens |
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[14:59] <ScottK> Before I mark Bug 253245 invalid, would it make sense to add a stub pyqtconfig in python-qt4 that just raises an error that says, "pyqtconfig is in the python-qt4-dev package. You need to install that package to use pyqtconfig"? |
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[14:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253245 in python-qt4 "import PyQt4.pyqtconfig fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253245 |
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[15:03] <\sh> ScottK: no...if it belongs to the part of "developing for pyqt4" everybody using debian/ubuntu should know that those stuff is laying in -dev packages...developing with/using pyqt4 , everything is in the main package...(minus dbus ,-) |
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[15:04] <ScottK> \sh: It's not the first time I've seen a bug report like that. |
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[15:05] <ScottK> If this was Debian, I'd say "Tough, they should know better.", but in Ubuntu maybe we can be nicer? |
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[15:06] <\sh> ScottK: because it's not common for python packages to have -dev packages for low level stuff, but it is really following debian policy regarding development files |
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[15:07] <\sh> if someone includes PyQT4.pyqtconfig he knows exactly why...and should know the debian way...really noone else is fighting with this |
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[15:07] <ScottK> Agreed it's the right place for it. OK. |
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[15:07] <ScottK> Invalid it is. |
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[15:08] <\sh> ScottK: I just had a closer look what this module does, and it's nothing really, which I would import, if I'm not sure what I'm doing...means: application development with pyqt4 doesn't use it... |
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[15:08] <davmor2> There's no usplash screen on the installed intrepid system still :( |
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[15:09] <ScottK> \sh: I think it's only actually useful during build time. |
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[15:09] <\sh> ScottK: or when you want to add something very low level to it (like selfmade kde widget / kde addon libs where someone needs sip interfaces) |
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[15:18] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: are you online? |
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[15:24] <nixternal> jjesse: you about ready to start the doc migration from kde 3 to kde 4 for Kubuntu? |
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[15:25] <nixternal> Riddell: I will be working on the docs and I am sure jjesse will do a little as well...if we can get a few people to proofread and provide text docs that would be great...finding docbook people to work on Kubuntu or KDE docs is damn near impossible |
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[15:25] <GreySim> How do I get involved with proofreading? |
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[15:26] <nixternal> GreySim: stick around here, follow the kubuntu-devel and ubuntu-docs mailing lists as well |
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[15:26] <Jucato> oh.. need to subscribe to ubuntu-docs too? |
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[15:26] <GreySim> Will do. |
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[15:27] <nixternal> Jucato: not really as it has just been jjesse and I doing the docs, so we would always email between us and cc Riddell just to annoy him :P |
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[15:27] * ryanakca debates on doing a fresh install of intrepid vs just dist-upgrading |
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[15:27] <Jucato> nixternal: ah ok. maybe I can help this time around with KDE 4 shtuff |
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[15:27] <Jucato> docs I mean |
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[15:28] <Jucato> I can start w/ poopreading |
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[15:28] <nixternal> you are beyond proofreading, I have seen your documentation you have created |
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[15:28] * Jucato snaps fingers |
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[15:28] <Jucato> okie dokie |
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[15:28] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: are you online? |
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[15:28] <Jucato> well then, I'm volunteering for kubuntu docs for intrepid |
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[15:29] <Jucato> nixternal: keep me on a leash please :) |
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[15:30] <jjesse> nixternal: just loaded intrepid so i can start doing docs |
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[15:30] <jjesse> and i did get my wireless to work |
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[15:30] <jjesse> now if i can just figure out how to mount my drives |
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[15:30] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: yes |
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[15:30] <Jucato> hm... of course I need to upgrade to intrepid hahaha! |
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[15:31] <nixternal> I need to build a new desktop at home so I can get intrepid on it and rebuild my laptop at home |
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[15:31] <aos101> What's the holdup on getting the fix in bug 199393 released? Is it just waiting for someone on the SRU verification team to test it? |
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[15:31] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 199393 in dolphin "servicemenu for amarok has an invalid menu entry "addAsPodcast"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199393 |
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[15:31] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: can you tell me what I have to write in debian/install? smarter told me that I have to write /debian/icon/mypicture.png /usr/share/whatever ... what does these /usr/share/whatever mean? |
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[15:31] <nixternal> it is going to be a bit to hot to cycle much this week, so I plan on working on Kubuntu.... Riddell do you have anything else other than docs I can work on this week? If so, message me or email me a list of things to work on, including coding if need be |
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[15:32] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: that's where teh pcitures will be installed |
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[15:32] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: can I choose one are is it a special place? |
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[15:32] <ryanakca> Jucato: gah, Need to get 3049MB of archives... I have to wait 'till August to upgrade so I don't go over my bandwidth limit :/ |
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[15:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: heh I'm also hesitant to upgrade now.. last time I tried, X failed to start.. and the new X config system is totally alien to me... |
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[15:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: and I sort of need a working Kubuntu KDE 4 to demo on Aug. 24 |
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[15:33] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: you have to choose the place where it would normally be installed |
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[15:33] <ryanakca> Jucato: X has a new config system? |
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[15:34] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: a Place where is Icons will be installed ... ok. |
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[15:34] <Wubbbi> thank you :) |
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[15:34] <Jucato> ryanakca: well, not really X.. or dunno what happened.. if you do a fresh install, look at your xorg.conf |
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[15:34] <Jucato> ryanakca: all "Configured Foo" entries |
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[15:35] <ryanakca> Jucato: hmm... I might dual boot.... have an intrepid and keep my hardy... imho, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but I don't know much about X anyways.... I do all my configuring with dpkg-reconfigure :) |
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[15:36] <Jucato> ryanakca: well the problem is it when it breaks.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do the same thing anymore :) |
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[15:36] <Jucato> it just reconfigures the keyboard and mouse I think |
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[15:37] <ryanakca> gah... So, how would a newish user reconfigure X when it breaks without manually editing Xorg.conf... at least you used to be able to say ``oh, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... It will ask you a few questions, and it'll get X back up and running for you''... |
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[15:39] <Jucato> ryanakca: I'm sure there has been a way.. I just haven't been paying attention probably... |
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[15:39] <Jucato> but the old ways don't work :) |
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[15:40] <Jucato> (at least I think manually editing xorg.conf still works... I think) |
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[15:41] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you back? |
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[15:42] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: ok I have done this now. What I have to do that the icons will be installed now. I want to replace them The Old Icons are Removed and now I need to install them. How to do that? |
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[15:42] * JontheEchidna doesn't understand |
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[15:47] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: hihi xD ... ok ... I want to replace some Icons with other Icons. I cant do that with a patch. So I have to write it down in debian/rules. My Rules looks like this ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32195/ ) ... Now I have created a debian/Icons folder, where I have my "new" Icons. Then I have created a install file. Now I need to right something down, that the system (dpkg) install the new icons ( after they are remove ) ... |
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[15:47] <Wubbbi> Remove Old + Install New = Replace. Replace = what I want :) |
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[15:48] * JontheEchidna has never done this to be honest |
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[15:49] <Wubbbi> xD |
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[16:07] <Riddell> nixternal: I think docs would be the main thing |
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[16:07] <Riddell> nixternal: if that's what interests you of course :) |
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[16:13] <Riddell> nixternal: porting pinentry-qt to qt 4 might be an interesting coding task |
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[16:19] <mornfall> (Afternoon...) |
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[16:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdeutils needs a rebuild in Intrepid |
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[16:24] <Riddell> why, it's a mornfall |
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[16:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the hal-cups issue wasn't it? |
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[16:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: python-usb |
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[16:27] <JontheEchidna> it builds fine in pbuilder now |
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[16:27] <Riddell> anyone use ktnef? |
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[16:27] * Riddell retries kdeutils |
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[16:28] <mornfall> : - P |
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[16:28] <mornfall> It would seem so indeed. |
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[16:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed than adept crashes on intrepid |
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[16:31] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I think that's because there is not konsole-kde3 kpart in intrepid |
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[16:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: makes sense indeed |
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[16:32] <JontheEchidna> *is not a konsole kpart |
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[16:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the status of adept kde4 ? |
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[16:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: deverses a package or not ? |
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[16:32] <mornfall> Good question. |
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[16:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: why ask me, mornfall is just here waiting for a hug from you :) |
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[16:32] <Tonio_> hey mornfall :) |
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[16:33] <mornfall> : - ) |
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[16:33] <mornfall> Hi. |
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[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't look at the names on the channel :) |
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[16:33] * Tonio_ higs mornfall |
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[16:33] <Tonio_> s/higs/hugs... |
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[16:33] <nixternal> Riddell: pinentry has already been ported to qt4...it used to be in the kde svn |
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[16:33] <mornfall> The status would go as, if I manage it in 3 weeks, then it will be done, otherwise it'll get much longer, I guess. |
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[16:34] <nixternal> but if it hasn't, I will work on it again |
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[16:34] <mornfall> So hope for these 3 weeks? ; - ) |
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[16:34] <Riddell> nixternal: ah well, package it up then :) |
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[16:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: that would be nice :) |
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[16:34] <nixternal> roger dodger...gotta find it now.... ScottK and I found it a while ago |
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[16:34] <mornfall> The idea is likely to be that, very unusually, my sorting through bugzilla actually gave me some motivation. |
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[16:35] <Tonio_> hehe |
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[16:36] <Riddell> actually seele was just asking about adept the other day |
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[16:37] <mornfall> I have 4 items on 3.0 must-fix. |
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[16:38] <mornfall> Which isn't really that bad. |
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[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can still prepare some adept-kde4 packages tomorrow |
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[16:38] <Riddell> packaging isn't a problem Tonio_ |
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[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know that ;) |
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[16:39] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you back? |
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[16:39] <mornfall> The packages should be in a remotely decent shape, but they do need rebuilds. |
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[16:39] <Tonio_> well better wait 3 weeks then |
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[16:39] <mornfall> What day is it today? |
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[16:39] <mornfall> Okey. |
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[16:39] <Wubbbi> Do anyone know how to get the changelog from kde 4.1 RC1 to Kde 4.1 Final? |
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[16:39] <mornfall> Tonio_: I will have alpha 5 by tomorrow evening. |
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[16:40] <Tonio_> mornfall: super ! :) |
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[16:40] <mornfall> I'll upload to Debian experimental and I let you sort out KUbuntu? |
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[16:40] <mornfall> That'd work for me at least... : - ) |
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[16:41] <mornfall> (It's not hard to get packages to PPA, but it's still work that you can save me...) |
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[16:48] <Wubbbi> When I have patches for a package, do I need them to the rules ( via "include xy" ) ? |
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[16:53] <Riddell> Wubbbi: you need to make sure that rules applies the patch, most packages will if you put the patch in debian/patches |
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[16:53] <Riddell> cdbs packages will typically include simple-patchsys or quilt to apply the patch |
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[16:54] <aos101> Riddell: Do you know why it's taking so long for the fix to bug 199393 to be released? Is it just waiting for the SRU verification team to test it? |
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[16:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 199393 in dolphin "servicemenu for amarok has an invalid menu entry "addAsPodcast"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199393 |
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[17:00] <Riddell> aos101: good question |
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[17:01] <Riddell> aos101: yeah I guess so, the verification team tend to need a poke, try pinging bdmurray |
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[17:01] <Riddell> on #ubuntu-devel |
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[17:02] <Wubbbi> Riddell: aha ok thank you for the information :) |
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[17:02] <aos101> Riddell: Thanks, I'll try that. |
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[17:03] <mornfall> So Interpid will be running on 4.1 as primary desktop? |
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[17:04] <JontheEchidna> ^yes |
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[17:04] <mornfall> If I get adept beta (feature-complete, that is) out in three weeks, that'll get in, right? |
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[17:04] <Riddell> mornfall: yes indeed |
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[17:05] <JontheEchidna> go mornfall go! :) |
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[17:10] <apachelogger> kmail doesn't quit properly either |
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[17:18] <mornfall> Weekly cron jobs run by default roughly once a week on ubuntu, right? (Anacron or such...) |
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[17:19] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you back? |
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[17:26] <Riddell> mornfall: like /etc/cron.weekly/apt-xapian-index ? I'd imagine it's exactly once a week |
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[17:27] <mornfall> Riddell: Yeah, that one. But I guess I'll still call it if it is needed, makes everything more robust. |
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[18:07] <vorian> bug #253301 is ready |
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[18:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253301 in kdeedu "kdeedu 4.1.0 is ftbfs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253301 |
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[18:31] <goetzc> hi |
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[18:31] <Riddell> hi goetzc |
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[18:59] <apachelogger> omg, iridium is dead |
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[18:59] <apachelogger> that explains the build queue length ;-) |
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[19:00] <apachelogger> I think svn xbmc is built 3 times a day |
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[19:09] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping |
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[19:11] <gnomefreak> kdeedu is stopping intrepid packages? |
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[19:15] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: WIP |
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[19:15] <gnomefreak> WIP? |
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[19:16] <smarter> work in progress |
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[19:16] <gnomefreak> ah thanks |
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[19:22] <Artemis_Fowl> damn. I have to go again... :( |
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[19:33] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you away? |
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[19:33] <smarter> I'm here |
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[19:35] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok |
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[19:35] <Wubbbi> smarter: I still dont understand the thing with the debian/install file. You said that I have to search for something. But I dont know what. |
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[19:36] <smarter> you have to know where kio-sysinfo install the icons |
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[19:49] <Wubbbi> smarter: the problem is, that the kio-sysinfo what I have, an Initial release is. |
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[19:49] <smarter> and? |
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[19:49] <smarter> (germans really speak like Yoda :P) |
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[19:50] <Wubbbi> xD |
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[19:51] <Wubbbi> yes and if it was an Initial release I dont know where the kio-sysinfo install the icons |
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[19:52] <apachelogger> smarter: that is because germans can make super awesome sentences featuring 30 commas and using at least 100 words ;-) |
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[19:53] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: why do you need debian/install anyway? |
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[19:53] <smarter> apachelogger: I know, and that's why I get bad marks in german :P |
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[19:54] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: smarter told me xD |
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[19:54] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: I dont know why |
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[19:56] <smarter> (/me hates strong verbs too) |
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[19:57] <Wubbbi> smarter: why do I need debian/install? |
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[19:57] <smarter> Wubbbi: to install the free icons |
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[19:58] <smarter> other solution is to patch the icon to use system icons |
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[19:58] <smarter> s/patch the icon/patch the source/ |
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[19:59] <Wubbbi> smarter: So I can patch the source by replacing the icons? |
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[19:59] <smarter> s/by replacing/to replace/ |
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[20:02] <Wubbbi> smarter: what? xD ... whatever ... what to do now? hust change the icons in the orig.tar.gz? oO |
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[20:02] <Wubbbi> hust = just |
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[20:02] <smarter> Wubbbi: debian/install is the easiest way to do it imho |
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[20:04] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok ... and what to do with that? On the Left side I write down the path to the icons debian/icons/ati.png etc. then I make a "Space" and what I have to write down then? |
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[20:04] <apachelogger> Oo |
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[20:04] <apachelogger> oh |
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[20:04] <apachelogger> dude |
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[20:04] <apachelogger> smarter: you didn't listen to me the other day |
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[20:04] <apachelogger> the original images _can't_ be part of the tarball |
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[20:04] <smarter> apachelogger: I know |
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[20:05] <smarter> apachelogger: that's why I said he should remove them using get-orig-source |
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[20:05] <apachelogger> yeah |
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[20:05] <smarter> apachelogger: then add others using whatever he wants |
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[20:05] <apachelogger> but also place the new icons in using get-orig-source |
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[20:05] <apachelogger> create a bzr branch and push the images then |
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[20:05] <apachelogger> then bzr pull them in get-orig |
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[20:05] <smarter> I don't really like doing more changes than necessary to the orig |
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[20:06] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: das ist das was ich die ganze zeit sagen will. Was muss ich eingeben, damit er mir auch die neuen Icons installiert? Ich meine nur eintfernen bringt ja nix |
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[20:06] * smarter ist totally kaput |
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[20:07] <ryanakca> Hmmm... looks like the german population is overtaking the french population in #kubuntu-devel |
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[20:07] <ryanakca> (assuming that is german, of course ;) |
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[20:07] <smarter> I don't know how to say totally in German :P |
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[20:07] <apachelogger> smarter: this change is necessary |
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[20:08] <smarter> apachelogger: removing the nonfree icons is necessary |
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[20:08] <smarter> adding other is not |
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[20:08] <smarter> other icons |
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[20:08] <apachelogger> smarter: the surce should work fine without debian/ |
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[20:08] <apachelogger> smarter: if you want to do it the complicate way, then you guys will have to patch that thing to use the oxygen package itself |
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[20:09] <Wubbbi> smarter: why is it not nessessary the add new? |
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[20:10] <Wubbbi> Hello? ... I have add a Icon folder in /debain. There I have put all the "new" ( Oxygen Icons ) into. Now I want, that these Icon are getting Installed and in the folder src/about/suse/images ... then the Icons will work fine |
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[20:10] <Wubbbi> the question = How to do that? |
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[20:10] <smarter> IMHO, it is not necessary to add other icons to the orig.tar.gz, since they're not part of the program, may have a different licence, and the program works without them |
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[20:11] <smarter> Wubbbi: ask apachelogger :P |
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[20:11] * smarter is tired |
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[20:11] <Wubbbi> smarter: Oxygen Icons are GPL Icons. The Program is GPL too ... no problem |
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[20:11] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: help me! xD |
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[20:12] <smarter> Wubbbi: no |
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[20:12] <smarter> Oxygen icon theme is dual licensed. You may copy it under the Creative Common Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License or the GNU Library General Public License. |
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[20:12] <smarter> you will have to put that in the debian/copyright too |
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[20:13] <apachelogger> smarter: that is less work than uuing around |
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[20:13] <apachelogger> either do it the real simple way or the completely right way |
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[20:13] <smarter> apachelogger: why should we use uuencode/decode? |
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[20:13] <apachelogger> smarter: where are the icons coming from? |
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[20:13] <smarter> apachelogger: debian/icons |
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[20:13] <smarter> then installed using debian/install |
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[20:14] <smarter> or, we could patch the source to use the system icons |
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[20:14] <apachelogger> smarter: debian/icons? |
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[20:14] <smarter> inside debian/ |
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[20:14] <smarter> why do I feel like I keep repeating the same stuff since days? :/ |
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[20:14] <apachelogger> eh |
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[20:15] <apachelogger> smarter: debian is a diff against orig |
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[20:15] <apachelogger> you can't add binaries to debian?! |
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[20:15] <smarter> hmm, right |
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[20:16] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: how to replace the icons now? In Rules, I have removed them. Now I want to add the new one ... How to do that? |
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[20:16] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html |
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[20:17] <apachelogger> create a code branch in your launchpad profile |
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[20:17] <apachelogger> bzr push the icons to that branch |
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[20:17] <apachelogger> then bzr pull them in get-orig and include them in the tarball recreation process |
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[20:20] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: Cant I write it direkt to get-orig like " install /debian/Icons/bla.png, blab.png, blib.png /src/about/suse/images/ " ? |
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[20:21] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: you can |
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[20:22] <apachelogger> you shouldn't |
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[20:22] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: why? |
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[20:22] <apachelogger> as in I will not advocate the package |
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[20:22] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: because the changes have to be reproducable for new upstream releases |
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[20:22] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: but it is in the debain folder. |
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[20:22] * apachelogger feels smarter's redundancy |
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[20:23] <apachelogger> [21:15:09] <apachelogger> smarter: debian is a diff against orig |
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[20:23] <apachelogger> [21:15:14] <apachelogger> you can't add binaries to debian?! |
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[20:23] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: ^ |
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[20:23] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: so it is also not possible to remove them via. get-orig? |
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[20:24] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: read that carefully |
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[20:24] <Wubbbi> what? the link for bzr? |
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[20:24] <apachelogger> the two lines I pasted |
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[20:25] <apachelogger> you can't store binary files in debian/ |
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[20:25] <apachelogger> and images (expect for svn and xpm) are binary files |
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[20:25] <apachelogger> thus can't be added to debian/ |
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[20:25] <apachelogger> thus you need the bzr branch |
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[20:25] <apachelogger> which is kind of an online storage for the icons |
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[20:25] <apachelogger> then you can pull the icons in via get-orig |
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[20:25] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: but it is possible to remove them? ... I mean the nonfree |
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[20:26] <apachelogger> yes |
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[20:26] <Wubbbi> ok |
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[20:26] <apachelogger> it is the whole point of it |
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[20:26] <apachelogger> you create a new orig |
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[20:27] <Wubbbi> ahhh ... now I understand |
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[20:27] * apachelogger is off for tonight |
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[21:04] <JontheEchidna> Meeting in 2 hours? |
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[21:05] <vorian> JontheEchidna: 4? |
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[21:05] <vorian> @now |
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[21:05] <ubottu> vorian: Current time in Etc/UTC: July 30 2008, 20:05:28 - Next meeting: Mentoring Reception in 17 hours 54 minutes |
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[21:05] <vorian> hmm |
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[21:05] <vorian> no fridge! |
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[21:25] * Xand3r passes some cookies arround, he passes the driving test to day |
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[21:31] <Tm_T> Xand3r: nice :) |
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[21:31] <Riddell> yay |
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[21:34] <Xand3r> hi Riddell |
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[21:34] <Xand3r> i think the meeting is an open one or? |
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[21:36] <Riddell> 1.5 yes |
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[21:36] <Nightrose> it is Xand3r |
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[21:36] <Nightrose> and wohoooo @ driving license |
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[21:36] <Xand3r> Nightrose: ^^ |
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[21:36] <emunkki> Nightrose, isn't it drivers license ;) |
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[21:36] <vorian> yay Xand3r :) |
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[21:36] <Nightrose> emunkki: might be ;-) |
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[21:37] <Xand3r> ^^ |
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[21:37] * Nightrose shuts up and goes back to watching dr horrible |
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[21:37] <Xand3r> 22:00 utc is late |
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[21:38] <yuriy> umm meeting is in #kubuntu-devel, not #ubuntu-meeting, right? |
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[21:38] <Riddell> it makes it possible for americans to come, and geeks tend to work late |
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[21:38] <Riddell> yuriy: yes |
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[21:39] * yuriy fixes wiki |
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[21:39] <Tm_T> meeting is here? |
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[21:39] <Tm_T> I see |
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[21:40] <Xand3r> Riddell: ok, thats right, i some times forget, that here are working people from the hole world |
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[21:40] <hunger> kstars has a file conflict with the indi package. |
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[21:40] <hunger> The file is /usr/bin/indiserver |
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[21:41] <hunger> What makes this annoying is that kstars seems to depend on indi:-| |
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[21:41] <Riddell> vorian: seen that? ^^ |
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[21:42] <vorian> ah |
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[21:42] <JontheEchidna> question: |
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[21:42] * hunger heads for bed. Good night. |
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[21:42] <vorian> Riddell: nope |
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[21:43] <JontheEchidna> hmm, wait |
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[21:43] <vorian> i'll take a closer look since i'm working on that package now |
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[21:43] <JontheEchidna> nevermind |
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[21:44] <hunger> Is digikam installable on intrepid again by the way? |
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[21:44] <Xand3r> hunger: are you working on it? |
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[21:44] <vorian> not quite yet hunger, Xand3r is working on the kde4 version |
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[21:44] <hunger> Somebody had been working on updated packages a while back as I recall. |
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[21:45] <hunger> Xand3r: Nope, Just trying to use it. |
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[21:45] <Xand3r> urg yea |
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[21:45] <Xand3r> but i hade much stress |
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[21:45] <Xand3r> and was not in that mood to do it, verry tired the hole day |
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[21:45] <hunger> Xand3r: Great:-) I don't need the deb that urgent, but it is good to know somebody is working on it. |
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[21:46] <vorian> Xand3r: what do you have left to complete with digikam? |
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[21:46] <Xand3r> and you have no fun with uploading the source of digikam, if you have only 9kb/s upstream |
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[21:46] <hunger> Xand3r: Knowing somebody does work on it makes me looking forward to update my installation each morning;-) |
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[21:47] <Xand3r> vorian: somthing with the pictures, but if i change something i konw after compiling if it works, but thats thake much time-,- |
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[21:48] <vorian> Riddell: kstars and indi both include the indiserver binary, i'll remove it from kstars.install |
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[21:48] <Xand3r> hunger: thats why i update more times the day^^ |
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[21:48] <hunger> Xand3r: Can you use CCache? That speeds up things for me a lot. |
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[21:48] <hunger> things == rebuilding stuff over and over. |
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[21:48] <vorian> Xand3r: do you have your latest work on revu? :) |
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[21:49] <Xand3r> vorian: nop |
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[21:49] <Xand3r> you know i takes to mich time |
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[21:49] <Xand3r> and debuild -S includes the source on my pc -.- |
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[21:49] <Xand3r> so every change take 1 hour |
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[21:49] <vorian> Xand3r: can you upload what you have? we'll see what more needs to be done :) |
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[21:50] <vorian> 1 hour! |
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[21:50] <vorian> yikes |
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[21:50] <Xand3r> ofcours |
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[21:50] <JontheEchidna> is it failing in dh_install? |
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[21:50] <JontheEchidna> or during the actual compiling? |
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[21:50] <Xand3r> dh: |
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[21:50] <Xand3r> dh_ |
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[21:51] <JontheEchidna> if it's doing the dh_ stuff just use debuild -nc |
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[21:51] <JontheEchidna> that way you don't have to compile everything again |
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[21:51] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: i have no intrepid |
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[21:51] <Xand3r> so i have to do i with pbuilder |
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[21:51] <JontheEchidna> ouch |
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[21:51] <Xand3r> and that clears the cache after every compiling-.- |
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[21:51] * JontheEchidna feels your pain |
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[21:52] <Xand3r> thx |
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[21:53] <Xand3r> i have realy no fun staring working on digikam -.- the pbuilder might take hours-.- |
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[21:53] <Xand3r> i need a better inet and a better pc |
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[21:53] <Xand3r> is there some one sponsoring me? |
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[21:53] * vorian waves |
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[21:56] <Xand3r> vorian: you? |
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[21:57] <vorian> yes :) |
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[21:57] <Xand3r> realy? |
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[21:58] <Xand3r> i have i somthing said wrong, did you get me wrong or do you real want to buy me a new computer? |
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[21:59] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: I think he meant he'd testbuild stuff for you |
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[21:59] <JontheEchidna> he did that for me when we worked on koffice2 |
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[21:59] <Xand3r> ah |
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[21:59] <Xand3r> nice |
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[21:59] <vorian> haha |
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[21:59] <vorian> sorry to get your hopes up |
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[22:00] <Xand3r> hmm |
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[22:00] <vorian> i meant i would help you build it |
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[22:00] <Xand3r> vorian: thx |
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[22:00] <Xand3r> gnaaa i think i know my fault now |
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[22:09] <Xand3r> yea |
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[22:10] <Xand3r> debuild -S -sd is the solution^^ |
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[22:10] <vorian> :) |
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[22:11] <Xand3r> so now i have to wait for revu, hope revu likes my solution |
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[22:12] <vorian> :) |
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[22:12] <Xand3r> vorian: the funny thing is, i have red this help much times, but now i got it |
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[22:12] <vorian> yay! |
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[22:12] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: you are going to be at the meeting and your wiki page is up to date? ;-) |
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[22:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meeting in 45 minutes (in case you forgot) |
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[22:16] <Xand3r> vorian: when the new version of digikam is on revu, could you test build it? |
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[22:16] <Xand3r> that would be realy nice |
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[22:16] <vorian> Xand3r: yepper |
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[22:17] <Xand3r> vorian: thx |
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[22:17] <Xand3r> vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4 |
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[22:18] <Xand3r> i have to wrte the solution down before i forget it |
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[22:18] <vorian> Xand3r: you didn't upload the orig.tar.gz |
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[22:18] <Xand3r> righty |
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[22:18] <Xand3r> that is why it workt so fast |
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[22:19] <Xand3r> take the one from the upload befor |
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[22:19] <Xand3r> i changed nothing on the source |
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[22:19] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: got to add my 4.1 final packaging thingies |
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[22:19] <JontheEchidna> then it'll be complete |
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[22:19] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: go go go! |
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[22:19] <Nightrose> ;-) |
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[22:20] <JontheEchidna> ;-) |
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[22:21] <vorian> Xand3r: revu is not that crafty, i'm afraid |
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[22:22] <Xand3r> vorian: who are the admins^^ |
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[22:22] <Xand3r> i have learned to talk with the devels helps^^ |
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[22:24] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ping me when your page is ready so I can have a look before the meeting :) |
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[22:24] <JontheEchidna> ok |
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[22:26] <Xand3r> vorian: have you start the building? how much cores has your pc? |
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[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonathan265 |
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[22:30] <Nightrose> thanks :) |
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[22:31] <JontheEchidna> np |
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[22:32] <mhb> greetings from an ex-KDE fan |
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[22:33] <Riddell> hi mhb |
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[22:33] <Riddell> looksee what I've just done http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/gdebi-kde_0.3.12_all.deb |
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[22:34] <kwwii> lol, you cannot install it with gdebi |
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[22:34] <Riddell> uh oh |
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[22:35] <kwwii> gdebi-core is needed it seems |
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[22:35] <Riddell> well sure |
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[22:35] <Riddell> gdebi should work that out for you |
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[22:35] <kwwii> nope, it gives me an error |
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[22:36] <Arby> same here |
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[22:36] <JontheEchidna> ... well ain't this a bitch, I have to go to town >:( |
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[22:36] * JontheEchidna curses |
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[22:36] <kwwii> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gdebi-core" |
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[22:36] <vorian> wha! |
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[22:36] <vorian> JontheEchidna: really? |
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[22:36] <JontheEchidna> srsly |
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[22:36] <kwwii> Riddell: my system is running hardy, naturally |
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[22:37] <Riddell> kwwii: oh, it won't work there I'm afraid |
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[22:37] <kwwii> Riddell: that would explain the error then :-) |
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[22:37] <Riddell> Arby: how did extragear for hardy go? |
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[22:39] <Arby> Riddell: not finished yet, I ran out of time |
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[22:39] <Arby> I should have time to do more tomorrow evening |
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[22:39] <Arby> sorry |
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[22:41] <Riddell> Arby: no problem, just when you can |
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[22:42] <vorian> Arby: what needs to be done yet? |
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[22:43] <vorian> kgraph, kiconedit, gopher, kmldonkey, kpov, skanlite |
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[22:58] <Riddell> meeting in a couple of minutes? |
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[22:58] <seele> yep |
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[22:58] <Riddell> ping Nightrose, nixternal, yuriy |
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[22:58] * Nightrose popups |
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[22:58] <Nightrose> ;-) |
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[22:58] <Xand3r> what is with apachelogger |
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[22:59] <Nightrose> he seems to be afk |
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[22:59] <Nightrose> probably sleeping already |
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[22:59] <Nightrose> yea offline in jabber as well |
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[22:59] <Tm_T> hi hi kids |
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[23:00] <Nightrose> heya Tm_T :) |
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[23:01] <Riddell> Good Evening Friends |
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[23:01] <Riddell> it seems JontheEchidna |
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[23:01] <Riddell> isn't here |
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[23:02] <Riddell> smarter: want to introduce your item? |
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[23:03] <smarter> okay ;) |
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[23:03] <smarter> I think we should package everything using bazaar |
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[23:03] <smarter> (everything = kde4 stuff) |
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[23:03] <Riddell> well, we tried that a while ago |
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[23:03] <Riddell> and it didn't work because it's extra hassle |
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[23:04] <Riddell> but, good news! |
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[23:04] <Riddell> james_w is working on making it no extra hassle |
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[23:04] <smarter> what's the extra hassle? |
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[23:04] <smarter> bzr-builddeb is really handy |
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[23:04] <Riddell> I've looked at the bzr-builddeb docs and never managed to work out what it does |
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[23:04] <Riddell> maybe we should have a tutorial sometime |
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[23:04] <smarter> I can make a howto if you want |
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[23:05] <smarter> yep |
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[23:05] <smarter> I use it for all my packaging |
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[23:05] <Nightrose> smarter: can you explain a little what it does? |
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[23:05] <smarter> there's many way to use it, let's assume we use the "merge" mode, where we only package the debian/ dir |
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[23:05] <smarter> bzr bd will download the orig.tar.gz using some magics, and built it for you |
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[23:06] <smarter> so to see if a new version work with your packaging, you just have to do dch -i |
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[23:06] <smarter> (magics = trying file in ../tarballs, then debian/watch, then apt-get source) |
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[23:07] <smarter> and bzr diff is helpful to see what changed between ubuntuX and ubuntuY, useful for backports |
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[23:08] <smarter> if you need to have access to the tarball, you can use bzr bd-do, which unpack the tarball, copy the debian and copy only changes made to the debian dir when you exit |
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[23:08] <smarter> useful for patching |
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[23:08] <yuriy> evening (wow it's 6 already!) |
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[23:08] <smarter> evening yuriy |
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[23:08] <Nightrose> smarter: how hard is it for people who are new to packaging? |
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[23:09] <Nightrose> on a scale of 1 to 10 |
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[23:09] <smarter> hmm, 4? (: |
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[23:09] <Tm_T> perhaps compared to "normal way" ? |
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[23:09] <Nightrose> ;-) ok |
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[23:09] <smarter> we just need a good howto(and I'm writing one :P) |
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[23:10] <yuriy> smarter: perhaps add it to the packaging guide? |
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[23:10] <smarter> yuriy: probably |
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[23:10] <yuriy> on that note, the kde packaging wiki pages probably need some updating too |
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[23:10] <smarter> Tm_T: not sure, I think it's easier |
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[23:11] <vorian> smarter: it's another step though, you still need to know how to package |
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[23:12] <smarter> other useful stuff you can do with bzr: "bzr diff" will show the differences between the last commit and your changes, it's handy if you want to write good debian/changelog |
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[23:12] <Nightrose> smarter: once you finished it feel free to poke me to have a look at it from a packaging-noob POV ;-) |
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[23:12] <vorian> i think it would be very handy on the core packages |
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[23:12] <smarter> Nightrose: If i put it at the end of the PackagingGuide, I'll assume people now a bit about packaging :P |
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[23:13] <smarter> s/now/know§ |
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[23:14] <Nightrose> smarter: sure |
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[23:14] <Nightrose> still imagine someone new to packaging |
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[23:14] <Nightrose> he reads the packaging guide from start to end |
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[23:14] <Nightrose> that doesn't necessarily make him a perfect packager does it ;-) |
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[23:14] <smarter> yep :P |
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[23:15] <Riddell> I'll look forward to the howto, I guess I'll need to try it to see if it's as easy as apt-get source, edit, dput |
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[23:15] <Riddell> but as I say, james_w is working on makeing it all integrate in a transparent way |
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[23:16] <kwwii> sorry for missing the beginning of the meeting |
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[23:16] <smarter> it's a bit harder when you start, but when you get used to it you'll not want to use anything else :P |
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[23:16] <smarter> so, does anyone see any disadvantage of bzr? |
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[23:16] <smarter> s/bzr/using bzr for packaging/ even |
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[23:16] <Riddell> still potentially extra hassle |
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[23:17] <Tm_T> kwwii: welcome and hi son :) |
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[23:17] <seele> Tm_T: i think he's back from a netsplit |
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[23:17] <Tm_T> seele: yes, son :) |
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[23:17] <vorian> smarter: it's not local? |
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[23:17] <smarter> (yay for netsplit in the middle of a meeting) |
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[23:17] <smarter> vorian: what is not local? |
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[23:17] <kwwii> Tm_T: thanks, and no it was not a netsplit, it was me coming back by loging back into the server |
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[23:18] <kwwii> anyway, full steam ahead |
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[23:18] <Riddell> I know seb128 from the gnome team has tried it and found it all extra hassle |
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[23:18] <smarter> well, I'm using it for all my packages and have yet to see that extra hassle :P |
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[23:18] <Riddell> talking about packaging, cdbs might momentarily now so kde4.mk should be part of cdbs |
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[23:18] <smarter> (https://code.launchpad.net/~smarter) |
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[23:19] <kwwii> Riddell: for people like myself using just bzr is pretty nice |
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[23:19] <smarter> Medibuntu already use it for all packages |
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[23:19] <Riddell> smarter: I'll try it when you write the howto and consider it from there :) |
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[23:19] <kwwii> but I know that seb doesn't like it...he sees it as extra work I think |
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[23:19] <smarter> okay |
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[23:20] <Riddell> yuriy: apport? |
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[23:21] <yuriy> yep |
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[23:21] <yuriy> forgot link: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-June/002336.html |
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[23:22] <yuriy> I think it would be good to switch off the KDE crash handler so we get better crash reports from apport |
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[23:23] <yuriy> in general the crash reports would then have to be forwarded upstream, but that is the same as with bugs filed now |
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[23:23] <Riddell> I think that's just a case of removing drkonqi from kdebase-runtime |
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[23:23] <smarter> what's "automatic retracing"? |
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[23:23] <yuriy> the reports would be better but there would be more of them and they are private by default |
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[23:24] <Riddell> smarter: the backtrace gets uploaded to launchpad bugs which can download the debugging symbols and fill in all the gaps automatically |
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[23:24] <yuriy> smarter: apport uploads the full core dump, then the servers can use that to create a new backtrace with debugging symbols, regardless of whether the trace uploaded by the user was any good |
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[23:24] <smarter> wow, cool |
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[23:24] <Riddell> yuriy says it better :) |
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[23:25] <yuriy> so I think Riddell answered the how. so concerns are: Do we have the manpower? Do people know how to deal with apport reports? (smarter, txwikinger?) |
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[23:26] <Riddell> yuriy: actually I just tried it and it doesn't seem to work |
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[23:26] <Nightrose> yuriy: how many people triage private kde bugs? |
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[23:26] <Nightrose> ie: make them public when needed |
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[23:26] <yuriy> Nightrose: I don't know of any private kde bugs right now |
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[23:28] <Nightrose> ok then who do you see doing it if there are any after turning on apport |
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[23:28] <yuriy> Riddell: doesn't work to disable the crash handler? |
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[23:28] <Nightrose> i can imagine smarter, txwikinger, apachelogger and you |
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[23:28] <Nightrose> who else? |
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[23:28] <Riddell> yuriy: actually I can't get it to work on non-KDE apps |
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[23:29] <Riddell> yuriy: well, let's talk to pitti and work out what needs done to get it working |
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[23:29] <yuriy> Riddell: enabled in /etc/default/apport? |
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[23:30] <yuriy> Nightrose: that's primarily it |
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[23:30] <Nightrose> *nod* |
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[23:30] <Riddell> yuriy: it was not |
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[23:31] <Riddell> yuriy: still doesn't want to work for me, using kill -SEGV on gnome-terminal |
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[23:31] <yuriy> Riddell: will have to talk to pitti then. I don't know if maybe something's changed with that.. |
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[23:31] <JontheEchidna> back |
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[23:32] <JontheEchidna> how much did I miss? |
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[23:32] * JontheEchidna doesn't get why he had to go mulch shopping in the first place |
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[23:32] <Nightrose> wb JontheEchidna |
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[23:32] <JontheEchidna> thx |
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[23:32] <Riddell> yuriy: yep, let's get it turned on and see how that works in terms of triage after a while |
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[23:32] <yuriy> Riddell: iirc it's also somehow connected with adept-notifier? |
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[23:32] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: packaging in bzr and enabeling apport for kde apps |
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[23:32] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, it looks out for things appearing in /var/crash and promps you to start apport-qt |
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[23:32] <yuriy> Riddell: OK. last question we can discuss later |
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[23:33] <Riddell> so, let's move on to... |
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[23:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna! |
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[23:33] <JontheEchidna> reporting! |
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[23:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: who are you and why do you want to be a member? |
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[23:33] <JontheEchidna> Ok |
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[23:34] <JontheEchidna> *badump* |
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[23:34] <Tm_T> Nightrose: about triaging, I might be available at some point |
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[23:34] <JontheEchidna> My name is Jonathan Thomas |
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[23:34] <Nightrose> Tm_T: nice :) |
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[23:34] <JontheEchidna> I am a 16 (almost 17) year old Linux/KDE enthusiast |
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[23:35] <JontheEchidna> I would like to contribute to Kubuntu on a regular basis, plus being a member allows access to the kde4 ppa, \o/ |
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[23:35] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: have your parents seen http://xkcd.com/456/ |
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[23:35] <seele> yuriy: lol |
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[23:35] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: my dad may have |
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[23:36] <JontheEchidna> since he's a geek too |
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[23:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you seem to have an interest in plasma, do you think it's the future of the desktop? |
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[23:36] <JontheEchidna> yup! |
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[23:37] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hmm, how would you contribute to Kubuntu? as in, what's your itch? |
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[23:37] <JontheEchidna> Well, I have been working on packaging as of late |
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[23:37] <Riddell> his wiki page is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Jonathan265 |
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[23:37] <JontheEchidna> Though I also lurk regularly in #kubuntu-kde4 for user support |
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[23:37] <kwwii> hoorah for the crazy guy! :p |
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[23:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, just read that^ |
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[23:37] <seele> JontheEchidna: what is something you would want change in the current desktop? |
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[23:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, danke sehr :) |
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[23:38] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: support is <3 |
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[23:38] <JontheEchidna> seele: This is my vision for Intrepid: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults |
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[23:38] <jussi01> I would Like to give a big +1 for JontheEchidna - he has been a great help in #kubuntu-kde4 as well as I have seen him active in other places also. :) |
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[23:38] <Nightrose> I like the plasma packaging |
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[23:39] <Nightrose> and he has been flooding my inbox with bugmail |
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[23:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you looked at the Lancelot menu? |
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[23:39] <vorian> I'll cheer for JontheEchidna! |
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[23:39] <seele> JontheEchidna: so you probably have some input for the default plasmoids :) |
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[23:39] * Tm_T hugs jussi01 |
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[23:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I've been keeping tabs on the author's blog |
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[23:40] <JontheEchidna> I'll reserve an opinion on it for when I actually test it |
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[23:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: might be interesting to have a package of it (probably not in the archive until it's stable, but just so people can have a look) |
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[23:40] <JontheEchidna> Raptor looks pretty cool too but it's a bit vaporwareish, unfortunately |
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[23:40] * seele wants a krunner plasmoid *hint* |
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[23:41] * Nightrose wants http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+Plasmoid?content=83246 *hint* :P |
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[23:41] <vorian> hehe |
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[23:41] <JontheEchidna> lol |
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[23:41] <Riddell> any more questions for JontheEchidna? |
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[23:41] <seele> Nightrose: hehe |
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[23:41] <vorian> plus, he's a ninja |
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[23:41] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: what was the reaction to kde 4.1 in #kubuntu-kde4 |
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[23:41] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: one question, can I rely on you when my bones are aching with pyqt4 ? |
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[23:41] <seele> Nightrose: doesn't that already exist? |
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[23:42] <Nightrose> seele: ? |
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[23:42] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: I'm still a bit fresh with pyqt, but I'll see what I can do |
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[23:42] <Nightrose> the plasmoid? |
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[23:42] <JontheEchidna> I can code apps and stuff |
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[23:42] <Nightrose> there is a picture plasmoid |
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[23:42] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: how much are you planning on working on kubuntu stuff during the school year? |
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[23:42] <JontheEchidna> but I still need experience |
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[23:42] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: thanks son :) |
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[23:42] <Nightrose> but the flickr one displays flickr photos |
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[23:42] <seele> Nightrose: there is a flickr plasmoid in ghns |
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[23:42] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: school time will obviously limit how much I can contribute |
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[23:42] <Nightrose> seele: that is probably the same one then |
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[23:43] <Nightrose> but not packaged |
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[23:43] <JontheEchidna> I won't be able to do irc all day |
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[23:43] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: good :) |
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[23:43] <seele> it's not in extragear? or whatever extragear turned in to? |
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[23:43] <seele> oh, no, nevermind.. hns |
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[23:43] * seele cooked with wine tonight |
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[23:43] <JontheEchidna> but I am homeschooled ;-) |
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[23:44] <Nightrose> ;-) |
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[23:44] * Nightrose feels ignored and points to her question above :P |
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[23:44] <JontheEchidna> which question was that? |
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[23:44] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: what was the reaction to kde 4.1 in #kubuntu-kde4 |
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[23:44] <JontheEchidna> oh |
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[23:45] <JontheEchidna> from what I gathered |
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[23:45] <JontheEchidna> upgrades from rc1 went much smoother |
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[23:45] <JontheEchidna> people like to whine about how much the systray sucks |
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[23:45] <JontheEchidna> but overall the reaction is good |
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[23:45] <Nightrose> hehe yea |
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[23:45] <Nightrose> seen that |
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[23:45] <Nightrose> ok cool |
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[23:45] <Nightrose> big +1 from me |
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[23:45] <stdin> people just like to whine. |
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[23:46] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hmm, what's biggest whine about systray? |
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[23:46] <yuriy> big +1 from me too. lots of great work on every front, JontheEchidna |
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[23:46] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: it looks like ass with transparent panels |
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[23:46] <seele> +1 |
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[23:46] <Riddell> +1 for packaging plasma love |
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[23:46] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: ah, irrelevant mostly, I guess |
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[23:46] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: i expect you to bribe me with http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+Plasmoid?content=83246 ;-) |
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[23:46] <claydoh> +1 of course |
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[23:46] <Riddell> looking forward to more plasma and non-plasma packages :) |
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[23:46] <seele> Nightrose: no way, i'm first |
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[23:46] <Tm_T> +1 from me, from old heart of mine |
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[23:46] <Nightrose> hehe |
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[23:46] <seele> JontheEchidna: krunner plasmoid! |
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[23:46] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose, Riddell: will do ;-) |
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[23:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: welcome to membership |
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[23:47] <stdin> +1 for previous contributions |
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[23:47] <JontheEchidna> :) |
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[23:47] <vorian> yay JontheEchidna !!!! |
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[23:47] <JontheEchidna> seele: I haven't seen that one |
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[23:47] <Nightrose> congratulations JontheEchidna |
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[23:47] <JontheEchidna> coolness |
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[23:47] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: welcome :) |
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[23:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so, default plasmoids? |
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[23:48] <JontheEchidna> right |
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[23:48] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: congrats. be sure to add your blog to planet, saw some nice screenshots on there |
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[23:48] <JontheEchidna> I installed Intrepid over the weekend |
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[23:48] <JontheEchidna> and I saw that kdeplasma-addons was included by default |
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[23:48] <JontheEchidna> that's cool |
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[23:49] <JontheEchidna> but I'd like to go beyond the default KDE settings for Intrepid |
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[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Bring back the best of our customized KDE3 desktop where possible |
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[23:49] <JontheEchidna> See: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults |
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[23:50] <JontheEchidna> For that to be fully implemented it would require to also have plasmoid-quickaccess installed by default |
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[23:50] <smarter> last time I tried plasmoid-quickaccess it did not work at all |
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[23:51] <JontheEchidna> smarter: plasma has been breaking binary compat in the prerelease cycle pretty consistently |
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[23:51] <seele> is it just kubuntu or does firefox3 look ugly in all kde4? |
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[23:51] <JontheEchidna> seele: requires gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to look presentable |
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[23:51] <Tm_T> seele: you mean "no gtk engine looking good" ? |
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[23:51] <Tm_T> ^ |
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[23:51] <Riddell> smarter: seems to work here |
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[23:52] <seele> i guess? why wasn't that installed as a dependency? |
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[23:52] <Nightrose> seele: gtk-qt-engine-kde4 (i think) and apachelogger's theme - looks _very_ sweet here |
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[23:52] <JontheEchidna> seele: at the moment it's quite buggy, especially wiht firefox3 |
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[23:52] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: and when will gtk-qt-engine-kde4 be finished? |
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[23:52] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: no clue, I'm not maintaining it :P |
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[23:53] <Wubbbi> Riddell does right? |
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[23:53] <yuriy> no |
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[23:53] <yuriy> Wubbbi: I'll get you the link to the upstream dev site later |
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[23:53] <JontheEchidna> by the way, free software is never "finished" :P |
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[23:53] <Wubbbi> yuriy: ok |
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[23:54] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, any comments on my proposed default desktop? |
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[23:54] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: I know :/ my kio-sysinfo will never finish too. |
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[23:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I like it |
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[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I have concocted a plasma-appletsrc for kubuntu-defaults that implements everything except the quickaccess since it's not default yet |
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[23:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm curious how useful quickaccess is |
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[23:55] <yuriy> what is quickaccess exactly? |
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[23:55] <JontheEchidna> it's sorta like a folderview for the panel |
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[23:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: any rationale for moving 3 and 4 to the right? |
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[23:55] <yuriy> is it like quicklauncher or like the system menu? |
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[23:55] <Nightrose> (/me has 3 and 4 on the right side as well) |
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[23:55] <Nightrose> not that that matters really |
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[23:56] <Wubbbi> smarter: ahhh right. I have another tought about kio-sysinfo Icons. The Icons are Oxygen right? right! so isnt it possible to use the system Icons. I mean to make a link, that these programm have to use these Icons, which are installed at the system. |
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[23:56] <smarter> it's the same thing we used in KDE3 for the little amarok/kopete/konqueror/etc icons on the panel, no? |
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[23:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that was sorta personal opinion, not a biggie |
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[23:56] <JontheEchidna> smarter: that's quicklaunch |
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[23:56] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I think the device notifier should be on the right, it has similar functionality to things in the system tray |
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[23:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you have a point there |
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[23:56] <smarter> Wubbbi: I've said to you 3 or 4 times, but chht, we're in the middle of a meeting :P |
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[23:56] <JontheEchidna> but there was also that thing in kde3 next to the kmenu |
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[23:56] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: whats about my Teacooker? I Love tea :/ |
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[23:57] <smarter> Wubbbi: *I've said that |
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[23:57] <JontheEchidna> that when clicked gave a list of places to go to |
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[23:57] <JontheEchidna> and the device notifier is sorta simlar to that too |
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[23:57] <seele> i would also include the desktop icon. the big point of kde4 is the plasma desktop and without a desktop icon you have to minimize all your apps |
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[23:57] <Wubbbi> smarter: who? what? meeting? what? |
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[23:57] <smarter> Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings |
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[23:57] <Nightrose> seele: there is also a "show dashboard" plasmoid |
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[23:58] <JontheEchidna> seele: you mean the show desktop widget? |
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[23:58] <yuriy> seele: or ctrl-f12 |
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[23:58] <seele> Nightrose: what does that do? i couldnt figure it out |
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[23:58] <seele> JontheEchidna: yeah |
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[23:58] <seele> yuriy: :P |
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[23:58] <Nightrose> seele: it shows the dashboard on top of the open windows |
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[23:58] <JontheEchidna> cryptic undiscoverable shortcuts ftw! |
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[23:58] <JontheEchidna> ctrl alt fnc 6 F11 |
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[23:58] <Wubbbi> smarter: uhhhhhhhhhhh ... I didn't know ... omg xD |
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[23:58] <seele> Nightrose: but then its only useful in a panel |
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[23:59] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: and kate steals half of them |
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[23:59] <Nightrose> seele: it is better than "minimize windows" imho since it keeps your windows untouched |
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[23:59] <Nightrose> seele: that is where i have it ;-) |
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[23:59] <seele> Nightrose: i put it on my desktop and kept on clicking it -- probably why i couldnt figure out what it did |
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[23:59] <JontheEchidna> so, do we want show dashboard, show desktop, or both? |
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[23:59] * seele thinks the add widgets dialog needs some tooltips or better descriptions.. |
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[23:59] <Nightrose> seele: yea probably - give it a try in the pannel |
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