| [00:04] <Riddell> ScottK: have you tried KDE 4.1? do you think it's -backports material? | |
| [00:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I have not. | |
| [00:07] <ScottK> I will confess that with this new DNS cache poisoning attack I'm increasingly uncomfortable with use of unsigned repositories like PPAs. | |
| [00:08] <ScottK> Riddell: If a few people try it and generally find it major regression free compared to the KDE4 Remix, then I'd say go for it. | |
| [00:30] <seele> Riddell: thanks | |
| [00:51] <jjesse> fresh install of intrepid and i'm liking what i'm seeing ;) | |
| [00:59] <jjesse> is nixternal not here? | |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | |
| [02:06] <Jucato> Riddell or ryanakca: <flaccid> Jucato: rc mentioned on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 . who can ammend? --> "To update to the release candidate of KDE 4.1, please follow these instructions" | |
| [02:07] <ryanakca> Jucato: thanks, I guess it should be "To update to KDE 4.1, please..." ? | |
| [02:07] <Jucato> yep | |
| [02:08] <Jucato> or "to install KDE 4.1"... heh now I'm not sure which of the two :P | |
| [02:09] <ryanakca> I went for update | |
| [02:09] <Jucato> :) | |
| [02:26] <nixternal> jeesh, who would have ever thought that importing folders and messages into kmail-kde4 would be such a pita | |
| [02:31] <vorian> grrr | |
| [02:31] <vorian> hi nixternal | |
| [02:32] <nixternal> howdy | |
| [02:32] <vorian> looking for a new computer eh? | |
| [02:33] <nixternal> ya, mine keeps shuttin' down when it wants to | |
| [02:33] <nixternal> kmail-kde4 importing action taking place | |
| [02:33] <vorian> arg, no good | |
| [02:33] <nixternal> 100,000 emails imported with a few million left to go! | |
| [02:33] <vorian> haha | |
| [02:33] <vorian> sheminie | |
| [02:33] <nixternal> no doubt | |
| [02:34] <nixternal> I have all of my original email from the 90s | |
| [02:34] <vorian> how in the world did you manage that? | |
| [02:34] <nixternal> Slackware, SuSE, Debian, VA Linux (whoa), Corel Linux, LFS, and even BSD stuff | |
| [02:34] <nixternal> used Mutt forever on a server and never got rid of my old email | |
| [02:35] <vorian> that is amazing | |
| [02:36] <vorian> i have a few i've held on too for a few years | |
| [02:36] <vorian> but | |
| [02:36] <vorian> all! | |
| [02:36] <nixternal> hehe, ya | |
| [02:36] <vorian> kudo's | |
| [02:36] <nixternal> even old shuttleworth posts on debian when nobody knew who he was | |
| [02:36] <nixternal> same with that Riddell character on Debian and KDE :) | |
| [02:36] <vorian> haha | |
| [02:37] <nixternal> a ton of Matthew Garret Debian posts when I thought he was snooty | |
| [02:38] <nixternal> I am willing to bet that Matthew Garrett has the lead of most emails in my folders | |
| [02:38] <nixternal> yay, 9% complete with 700,000 emails imported | |
| [02:38] <vorian> excellent | |
| [02:38] <vorian> and very crazy | |
| [02:39] <nixternal> kmail-kde4 is the hottness...well kontact-kde4 that is | |
| [02:39] <nixternal> next is to import my contacts | |
| [02:39] <vorian> i need to fix pim it seems | |
| [02:39] <vorian> damn it, etc ... | |
| [02:50] <nixternal> just noticed that the kmail icon in the system tray isn't meant for messages over 1,000,000 new...I can't even read the amount anymore | |
| [02:50] <nixternal> it is so small | |
| [02:50] <nixternal> and it keeps disappearing | |
| [02:58] <nixternal> ummm, that wasn't 7 million...I have surpassed that and haven't even hit 50% yet | |
| [02:58] <nixternal> wth | |
| [03:01] <nixternal> 13 million and it says 31%..this is scary as hell | |
| [03:02] <vorian> dude, that is crazy | |
| [03:03] <Jucato> you have that much mail? O.o | |
| [03:03] * Jucato doesn't know how he'll survive that much... | |
| [03:03] <nixternal> 14,000,000 and still 31% | |
| [03:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: just "lose" some. | |
| [03:04] <nixternal> but it is showing that it is importing the last folder in the popup window | |
| [03:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah. that's how I never use up more than 10% of Gmail's capacity... | |
| [03:05] <nixternal> my gmail capacity is almost reached weekly with spam :P | |
| [03:05] <Jucato> hahah | |
| [03:05] <Jucato> I wished gmail would let you configure spam autodeletion time.. 30 days is just "Too Much" (TM) | |
| [03:05] <nixternal> oh man, now it is hitting debian | |
| [03:06] <nixternal> oh, that was scary, it was just a quicky import | |
| [03:07] <vorian> how many in total? | |
| [03:08] <nixternal> 34 million | |
| [03:09] * vorian faints | |
| [07:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/249156 | |
| [07:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] | |
| [07:47] <Nightrose> can you have a look please? | |
| [07:47] <Jucato> thought that was known upstream bug, but fixed in trunk... not 100% sure though | |
| [08:11] <Arby> morning all | |
| [08:14] <etretyak> morning Arby | |
| [08:16] <Jucato> hello kde4 ninja :) | |
| [08:16] <Jucato> kubuntu ninja I mean | |
| [08:18] <Arby> :D | |
| [08:18] <Arby> that came as a complete surprise | |
| [09:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=171000 | |
| [09:11] <apachelogger> if you get me a .11 tarball I will upate the package | |
| [09:11] <apachelogger> until them scru'em | |
| [09:11] <apachelogger> *then | |
| [09:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry - other problems right now :/ | |
| [09:13] <apachelogger> +1 | |
| [09:19] <apachelogger> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/strigi | |
| [09:19] <apachelogger> ...one day... | |
| [09:21] <apachelogger> http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ | |
| [09:21] <apachelogger> ok | |
| [09:21] <apachelogger> ehm | |
| [09:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: please sync strigi from debian | |
| [09:22] <apachelogger> fixes bug 249156 | |
| [09:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249156 | |
| [09:27] <apachelogger> uploading to kde4 ppa | |
| [09:31] <Tonio_> hi there | |
| [09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: my sbscription to the kubuntu-council launchpad group just expired | |
| [09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: could you renew it please ? | |
| [09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: and fyi, I'll go with 2 contrib days tomorrow and on friday... you can expect a bunch of uploads then :) | |
| [09:32] <Tonio_> I have a few things ready for upload (kdebluetooth and so on) | |
| [10:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: synced | |
| [10:15] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't seem to be able to log on to gmail talk using kopete | |
| [10:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: added back | |
| [10:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks | |
| [10:17] <apachelogger> !info libqca2-plugin-ossl | |
| [10:17] <ubottu> libqca2-plugin-ossl (source: qca2-plugin-ossl): QCA OSSL plugin for libqca2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~20070904-3 (hardy), package size 108 kB, installed size 348 kB | |
| [10:17] <apachelogger> davmor2: ^ | |
| [10:17] <apachelogger> davmor2: are you on intrepid? | |
| [10:18] <davmor2> yes sorry I didn't clarify that bit I'm using intrepid. Running some general smoke test to try and get rid of some of the bugs before A4 | |
| [10:19] * apachelogger didn't have time to write the MIR yet | |
| [10:19] <apachelogger> and I guess no one else did ;_) | |
| [10:20] <davmor2> well as long as you know it's an issue :) I'll carry on testing :) | |
| [10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32118/ languages which didn't make it into 4.1.0 - should I file a bug so we don't forget to remove them in time, or do you want to kick them out right away? | |
| [10:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: shrug, they don't do any harm and removing them wouldn't actually change anything (the strings would still be in launchpad) | |
| [10:23] <apachelogger> ok | |
| [10:24] <Wubbbi> Hello :) | |
| [10:24] <Riddell> do we need a main inclusion review for libqca2-plugin-ossl? | |
| [10:25] <ubuntu__> hello (testing, testing, 123) | |
| [10:25] <Hobbsee> test fail. | |
| [10:25] <ubuntu__> well this seems to work okay :) | |
| [10:25] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you away? | |
| [10:25] <Hobbsee> hello davmor2 :) | |
| [10:25] <ubuntu__> hello hobbsee :) | |
| [10:26] <davmor2> Hobbsee: how do :) | |
| [10:27] <Riddell> we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2 but I guess we need one for that plugin too | |
| [10:27] <apachelogger> probably | |
| [10:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't we drop preparetips from kdelibs-bin.install or move the cdbs scripts for extracting message to that very same package? | |
| [10:33] <apachelogger> right now one can't install kdesdk-scripts with kdelibs-bin nor can kdesdk, kdesdk-dbg and probably some other metapackages be installed | |
| [10:34] <davmor2> is it me or is kmail really slow at imap folder setup? It's syncing the mails quick enough just took forever to set up the folders. | |
| [10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I did drop it from kdelibs-bin.install | |
| [10:43] <Tonio_> re | |
| [10:44] <Riddell> davmor2: doesn't that setup include downloading all the message headers? | |
| [10:46] <davmor2> Riddell: the downloading of the headers were quick. It was the folder creation that took forever. It took about 2 minutes to create the folders and about a minute after to dl the header | |
| [10:50] <davmor2> Riddell: as a comparison Evolution sets up the folders in about 30-40 seconds and the mail headers take about 1 minute or so. | |
| [10:51] <davmor2> Riddell: and if memory serves on mobile it didn't take that long either. | |
| [11:01] * smarter waves | |
| [11:02] <Wubbbi> smarter: hello :) | |
| [11:03] <smarter> hi Wubbbi | |
| [11:04] <Wubbbi> smarter: can you help me a little bit? I have created the "watch" file now, and I have written the get-orig source into "Rules" ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32130/ is that ok ? ) What to do now? | |
| [11:07] <smarter> Wubbbi: you need to change a bit the get-orig-source to remove the non-free files | |
| [11:08] <smarter> also, have you tried to use it? bzcat ../sysinfo-$${version}.zip is not going to work, you must use unzip with a .zip | |
| [11:09] <smarter> so unzip foo.zip && \ cd foo/icons && \ rm nvidia.png bla.png bar.png && \ cd ../.. && \ tar czf foo.orig.tar.gz foo && \ rm foo.zip | |
| [11:10] <Wubbbi> so it sould call " unzip ../sysinfo-$$... " ? | |
| [11:11] <Wubbbi> smarter: and how did the system know what Icons need to add ( after they are removed ) ? | |
| [11:12] <smarter> you can create a directory debian/icons and put these icons here, the use a debian/install to install them | |
| [11:12] <Wubbbi> ahhh ok | |
| [11:12] <Wubbbi> thats sounds easy :) | |
| [11:12] <smarter> but you've said that they already exist in the oxygen theme no? | |
| [11:12] <Wubbbi> yes they do | |
| [11:14] <smarter> Wubbbi: then, the Best Way ® would be too patch the source to use system icons(which is oxygen for KDE4) | |
| [11:14] <Wubbbi> how to do that? | |
| [11:15] <smarter> no idea :p | |
| [11:15] <Wubbbi> xD | |
| [11:15] <smarter> but api.kde.org certainly knows | |
| [11:16] <Wubbbi> ok ... let us go back to remove the non-free icons. There is one point I dont understand ... foo = the programm ( sysinfo ) ? and where I have to add this line? | |
| [11:19] <smarter> Wubbbi: first, make the get-orig-source work, it has to unzip, then tar czf(== create a tar.gz) sysinfo | |
| [11:19] <smarter> this is basic shell, nothing difficult | |
| [11:20] <smarter> the goal is that when you do debian/rules get-orig-source in a terminal, a sysinfo_1.X.X.orig.tar.gz appears in the directory | |
| [11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: some plasmoids don't work anymore here | |
| [11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the folder view for example.... works with the hardy kde4.1 packages... | |
| [11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I investigated, but didn't found the issue | |
| [11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem ? | |
| [11:22] <Riddell> "don't work" "works" I'm confused | |
| [11:24] <supert0nes> is there any way for kubuntu phonon to support oss4 even tho hal doesnt and therefore the generic phonon doesnt? | |
| [11:25] <Riddell> I don't know what oss4 is, but phonon isn't related to hal | |
| [11:25] <supert0nes> i think phonon checks hal | |
| [11:26] <supert0nes> for sound devices | |
| [11:26] <supert0nes> oss open sound system | |
| [11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: folder view is seen as an "unknown applet" | |
| [11:33] <supert0nes> ahh sorry to ask here this isnt the place, but freedesktop.org and phonon are very difficult places to get answers | |
| [11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried with a clean .kde, doesn't change anything | |
| [11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: seen as a correct applet with hardy and kde4.1 packages | |
| [11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: does this make sense ? | |
| [11:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you have kdebase-plasma installed? | |
| [11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup | |
| [11:36] <Riddell> works for me | |
| [11:36] <Tonio_> hum weird.... I also have a couple of other issues.... | |
| [11:36] <Tonio_> very strange | |
| [11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture89.png | |
| [11:37] <Tonio_> that's what I have, all files are present (so and desktop) for the applet... | |
| [11:37] <Tonio_> also with a new profile/account the problem is still there.... very weird... | |
| [11:38] <Tonio_> retesting with a new account... | |
| [11:40] <Tonio_> ouch kde doesn't even start with a new account... | |
| [11:40] <Tonio_> my all installation seems to be broken.... | |
| [11:40] <Tonio_> failsafe mode is broken too..... what the hell happens on my machine ?? | |
| [11:41] <Tonio_> apt-get remove --purge 'kde*' | |
| [11:41] <Tonio_> and we'll see :) | |
| [11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: planning to get konqueror-plugin-searchbar into main ? | |
| [11:42] <smarter> Are we going to package kdebluetooth4 as -kde4 or replace the kde3 version? | |
| [11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I guess I could just promote that, it was previously in main | |
| [11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect so yes | |
| [11:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: could you take a look at the patch on bug #39383 at some point? it's pretty small and may be obsoleted by kdebluetooth4 | |
| [11:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 39383 in kdebluetooth "No icons in GNOME" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39383 | |
| [11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: will look | |
| [11:43] <smarter> (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84761&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=635cf6e48ecd02666435465b724aa96b) | |
| [11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: the autostarter we did with allee does only start with kde, obviously.... | |
| [11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can change that with the next upload | |
| [11:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: (I'm not saying the patch is correct) | |
| [11:45] <davmor2> Riddell: I just clicked on about kubuntu it dies. The follow error is shown "the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist." should it read help://? | |
| [11:45] <Riddell> ah, docs | |
| [11:45] <Riddell> they need rewritten for KDE 4 really | |
| [11:46] <Riddell> nixternal: should we put a call out for someone to do KDE 4 docs? | |
| [11:47] <davmor2> do you want a report making out as a reminder Riddell? | |
| [11:47] <Riddell> davmor2: yeah | |
| [11:47] <davmor2> np's | |
| [11:50] <Jucato> gah! my bad sorry Riddell I forgot to put the link to Meetings wiki when I did the topic :/ | |
| [11:51] <Riddell> Jucato: what's that? | |
| [11:52] <Jucato> Riddell: I forgot to link to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings in the topic :/ | |
| [11:53] <Riddell> Jucato: it's in this channel too | |
| [11:53] <Xand3r> i have changed pbuilder-dist/etc/hardy/apt.conf , how i can get pbuilder-dist use it? | |
| [11:53] <Jucato> Riddell: heh nvm :) | |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Happy 4.1 Day | Next meeting: Wednesday 30 July, 22:00 UTC at #kubuntu-devel - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | |
| [11:55] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 253244 | |
| [11:55] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/253244 | |
| [11:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253244 | |
| [11:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] | |
| [11:58] <smarter> Xand3r: try running pbuilder-dist with --override-config | |
| [11:58] <Xand3r> smarter: thx | |
| [11:58] <smarter> Xand3r: if it doesn't work pbuilder-dist intrepid login, add whatever you needs to /etc/apt/sources.list, exit, launch pbuilder-dist intrepid update --override-config | |
| [12:00] <danimo> hi | |
| [12:00] <smarter> hi danimo | |
| [12:01] <danimo> does anyone know why why kubuntu-kde4-desktop does not seem to depend on libkonq5-templates? | |
| [12:01] <Xand3r> smarter: thx first solution worked fine | |
| [12:01] <danimo> (or any of its subpackages, e.g. konqueror-kde4 or dolphin-kde4 ? | |
| [12:05] <smarter> danimo: konqueror-kde4 depends on libkonq5 which depends on libkonq5-templates | |
| [12:06] <danimo> smarter: but konqueror-kde4 is installed here, and it didnt't pull the dependency... | |
| [12:06] <smarter> are you using KDE4 PPA or just hardy repos? | |
| [12:06] <danimo> PPA | |
| [12:06] <danimo> for 4.1 | |
| [12:07] <smarter> so apt-cache show konqueror-kde4|grep libkonq5 | |
| [12:07] <gnomefreak> is there plans on adding neon to intrepid in the ear future? | |
| [12:07] <smarter> should return something | |
| [12:08] <gnomefreak> smarter: you most likely need spaces in there | |
| [12:08] <gnomefreak> smarter: it failes there way you haveit | |
| [12:08] <jpds> gnomefreak: I think the schudule might just allow Amarok 2 to slip in. | |
| [12:08] <smarter> gnomefreak: pipes work without space here | |
| [12:08] <Serega> hi there | |
| [12:08] <gnomefreak> i just tested | |
| [12:09] <smarter> just tested too :} | |
| [12:09] <gnomefreak> smarter: it doesnt output anything | |
| [12:09] <gnomefreak> im not using the PPA since im on intrepid | |
| [12:09] <smarter> gnomefreak: there's no konqueror-kde4 in intrepid, just konqueror | |
| [12:10] <smarter> danimo: what's the output of dpkg -l|grep libkonq5 ? | |
| [12:10] <gnomefreak> ah its been changed | |
| [12:10] <danimo> ii libkonq5 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 core libraries for Konqueror | |
| [12:10] <danimo> ii libkonq5-templates 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 data files for the Konqueror libraries | |
| [12:11] <danimo> smarter: (I installed it) | |
| [12:11] <smarter> danimo: apt-cache rdepends libkonq5-templates | |
| [12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: the 'kate doesn't quit properly' is bug | |
| [12:12] <apachelogger> happens on windows as well | |
| [12:12] <apachelogger> and apparently also for kopete | |
| [12:13] <danimo> Reverse Depends: | |
| [12:13] <danimo> |libkonq5 | |
| [12:13] <danimo> libkonq5 | |
| [12:13] <danimo> strange | |
| [12:14] <smarter> and same thing for libkonq5? | |
| [12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: is known bug? | |
| [12:15] <apachelogger> didn't look at bugs.kde.org | |
| [12:15] <apachelogger> danimo: is it a known bug that kate doesn't quit properly? | |
| [12:15] <apachelogger> danimo: see kate -> file -> quit vs. kate -> kwin's close button | |
| [12:16] <danimo> apachelogger: no idea + out for lunch | |
| [12:16] <danimo> bbl | |
| [12:16] <Notch-1> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492231 please help me dealing with this strange guys :D | |
| [12:17] <ubottu> Debian bug 492231 in general "general: unable to mount fixed drives" [Important,Open] | |
| [12:18] <Notch-1> this guys are telling me strange things, and are even talking about your distro | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libkonq5-templates | kdesktop | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> smarter: ^ | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> maybe I should count how many of this deps I find | |
| [12:19] <apachelogger> at least 3 this week already | |
| [12:19] <smarter> Oo | |
| [12:19] <Notch-1> goto the "Mmmm, i'll ask kubuntu people..." point, if you don't want to read the whole page... | |
| [12:21] <Wubbbi> smarter: hmmm ... sorry I have been away ^^ So is this like this ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32163/ | |
| [12:22] <smarter> Notch-1: indeed, we patch KDE to allow mounting of NTFS disks, but it's not totally insecure since it requires sudo password | |
| [12:22] <Notch-1> nono, it's not a ntfs thing | |
| [12:22] <Notch-1> it's fixed disks thing | |
| [12:22] <gnomefreak> someone messed up when they built akonadi | |
| [12:23] <gnomefreak> in the PPA | |
| [12:23] <smarter> Wubbbi: gzip is for file, tar(.gz) is for directories, you're unziping a directory and gunzipping it without putting it in a tar first, it's not going to work | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> smarter, danimo: Uploading to kde4 (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> kdebase-kde4_4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2.dsc: done. | |
| [12:23] <Notch-1> this guys are telling me that thanks to the debian policy i can't mount fixed drive with hal... | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> libkonq5 fixed | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> Notch-1: what is a fixed drive? | |
| [12:23] <smarter> Notch-1: what do you mean by fixed drive? | |
| [12:23] <smarter> heh :P | |
| [12:23] <Wubbbi> smarter: and how should it call now? | |
| [12:24] <Notch-1> a internal hard-disk | |
| [12:24] <Notch-1> sorry :P | |
| [12:24] <Notch-1> read the first post, it's all clearly explained | |
| [12:25] <apachelogger> well | |
| [12:25] <apachelogger> it defenitely got to do with permissions | |
| [12:26] <Notch-1> yes, i think so | |
| [12:26] <Notch-1> but i tried everything... | |
| [12:26] <smarter> we patched kdebase to launch kdesu to mount drives when you click on them | |
| [12:26] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok ... so that mean ... I unzip it. Then it is a normal folder. And then I have to tar.gz it wo make a orig.tar.gz?! ... Now to write it down to the rules? | |
| [12:26] <smarter> Wubbbi: yes | |
| [12:26] <Notch-1> and this guys won't tell me where to find a configuration file to change this behavior :D | |
| [12:26] <smarter> Wubbbi: remove the "| gunzip -bla" part | |
| [12:27] <Wubbbi> smarter: "gzip -9fn -c - > \" this? | |
| [12:27] <Notch-1> smarter: you mean that dolphin is launched with root permission?? | |
| [12:27] <smarter> Notch-1: no | |
| [12:27] <Notch-1> nice | |
| [12:28] <smarter> you click on the disk, a popup appears and ask for your password, it mount the disks, then you can use it | |
| [12:28] <Notch-1> ah, i don't have this on my kubuntu | |
| [12:28] <Notch-1> i just click | |
| [12:29] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok I have removed it ... and now? | |
| [12:29] <Wubbbi> what I need to add? | |
| [12:29] <smarter> Wubbbi: replace it by "&& \" (every line should finish with that, except the last one) | |
| [12:29] <Notch-1> it's a fresh version, downloaded 2 days ago, when i started to talk with this people :DDD | |
| [12:29] <smarter> Wubbbi: and add a line to create the tar.gz | |
| [12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff | |
| [12:30] <smarter> Notch-1: if you have already used kdesu/sudo before, maybe it will not ask for your password a second time | |
| [12:30] <Wubbbi> smarter: ufff ... how should it call? I never done this. I allways make a right klick and then "archive it to ... " ^^ | |
| [12:30] <apachelogger> Notch-1: kde4? ;-) | |
| [12:30] <Notch-1> smarter: nono, even in livecd mode | |
| [12:30] <smarter> Wubbbi: use the man page, or tar --help | |
| [12:31] <Notch-1> apachelogger: nope :D | |
| [12:31] <smarter> Notch-1: that's normal, there's no password in the livecd | |
| [12:31] <apachelogger> righto | |
| [12:31] <Notch-1> ah, right :D | |
| [12:31] <apachelogger> no password so that users can't lock themselfs out ;-) | |
| [12:31] <Notch-1> i had istalled it now, let's try :D | |
| [12:31] <Notch-1> hehehe | |
| [12:31] <smarter> now, tell the Debian people we don't make insecures things ;) | |
| [12:32] <Notch-1> smarter: forgive me, but still no password, installed mode this time :D | |
| [12:32] <Notch-1> :DDD | |
| [12:32] <Notch-1> debian people are very strange | |
| [12:32] <Notch-1> i'm shamed to use debian, since some days :D | |
| [12:32] <smarter> hmm, strange | |
| [12:33] <Notch-1> eh, what you can tell me about them? | |
| [12:33] <davmor2> Riddell: any ideas on when amorok2 might make it into Kubuntu? | |
| [12:33] <apachelogger> davmor2: amarok-kde4 | |
| [12:33] <smarter> davmor2: it's already in Intrepid | |
| [12:33] <apachelogger> hardy as well | |
| [12:33] <Notch-1> just to undestand if i have to trash my live debian system that cost me 2 years of work to make it run on evry pc, with all i need... | |
| [12:33] <davmor2> not on the cd's though | |
| [12:34] <Riddell> davmor2: no, they don't want it on the CDs for intrepid | |
| [12:35] <Wubbbi> smarter: tar -cjf <My data> archiv.tar.gz ??? | |
| [12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: what does that change? | |
| [12:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: version typo | |
| [12:35] <davmor2> Riddell: Why? Will it not be stable enough or something? | |
| [12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: someone replaced any 4.0.98 in the control with 4.1.0 causing the conflict to make the package uninstallable | |
| [12:36] <supert0nes> ktorrent fits into that doesnt quit properly | |
| [12:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah | |
| [12:36] <Notch-1> smarter: i double checked it, it is still not asking anything (in the installed version)... is there a way to flush possible cached password? | |
| [12:37] <apachelogger> davmor2: no way to tell | |
| [12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded, thakns | |
| [12:37] <Riddell> thanks | |
| [12:38] <Notch-1> smarter: ok it was cached, now is asking... but i never checked the "don't ask again" ckbox, butmaybe i'm wrong... | |
| [12:38] <davmor2> K3b "Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable. K3b uses dvd+rw-format to format DVD-RW's and DVD+RW's. Solution: Install the dvd+rw-tools package." | |
| [12:38] <davmor2> should this be installed by default or not? | |
| [12:39] <Riddell> davmor2: guess so | |
| [12:40] <davmor2> I'll report it then Riddell :) | |
| [12:40] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, actually I have it installed and still get that message | |
| [12:40] <davmor2> Bug with K3b then maybe? | |
| [12:41] <Riddell> davmor2: yep | |
| [12:41] <smarter> Notch-1: it's always cached for a certain amount of time, no checkbox | |
| [12:42] <Wubbbi> smarter: is that right? | |
| [12:42] <smarter> Wubbbi: tar czf bla.orig.tar.gz bla | |
| [12:42] <Wubbbi> ohh ok thx | |
| [12:43] <Wubbbi> what is the last bla about? | |
| [12:43] <jpds> Wubbbi: The folder. | |
| [12:43] <Wubbbi> and that should be? | |
| [12:44] <jpds> Wubbbi: <My data> | |
| [12:45] <vorian> yo yo | |
| [12:45] <Wubbbi> ok | |
| [12:46] * Riddell out for a bit | |
| [12:47] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 253253 | |
| [12:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253253 in k3b "Intrepid: Kubuntu K3b error message... Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253253 | |
| [12:47] <Notch-1> smarter: ah,thanks | |
| [12:47] <Notch-1> i'm new with working systems :DD | |
| [12:48] <Notch-1> it was so beautiful, when i asked why i had to do things by hand they told me that linux in not windows :DDDDDDDD | |
| [12:50] <apachelogger> Oo | |
| [12:50] <apachelogger> linux is not awkward either | |
| [12:50] * apachelogger shudders | |
| [12:51] <Notch-1> i'm about to trash debian shit and make my system work on kubuntu :D | |
| [12:51] <Notch-1> i have some strange needs, like loop device mounted root, and so on... i spent much time so set all up, what a waste of time... | |
| [12:53] <Notch-1> are there significant things i better know about kubuntu, before the exorcism? :DD | |
| [12:53] <Notch-1> any different way to handle things... | |
| [12:54] <Tonio_> re | |
| [12:54] <Notch-1> (in a few words, will be enough) | |
| [12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just purged k* and reinstalled kubutu-desktop, didn't change anything on my side | |
| [12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting that you create a new user and test... | |
| [12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't even open a kde session with a new user in the first place | |
| [12:55] <Tonio_> or any other person interested in testing.... | |
| [12:56] <Tonio_> although, now I reinstalled everything, my kde3 apps using the systray don't go in the tray anymore.... I just get small windows including the icon.... I may miss a kde3 package | |
| [12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea of the package required for this ? | |
| [12:59] <apachelogger> !info libfacile-dev intrepid | |
| [12:59] <ubottu> Package libfacile-dev does not exist in intrepid | |
| [13:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: do you experience any problems with the folder view plasmoid ? | |
| [13:00] * apachelogger doesn't use folderview ;-) | |
| [13:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you use it, don't you? | |
| [13:01] <Nightrose> i do | |
| [13:01] <Tonio_> Nightrose: and it works ? | |
| [13:01] <Nightrose> jep | |
| [13:01] <Nightrose> no problems here | |
| [13:01] <Nightrose> though this is not a fresh install | |
| [13:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: what is the problem? | |
| [13:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: some applets are dead and just don't work | |
| [13:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I suspect a problem with xdg | |
| [13:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: with my "tonio" account, my desktop folder is /home/tonio/Desktop | |
| [13:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: when I create a new account, the desktop folder is translated /home/tonio/Bureau | |
| [13:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kde doesn't even start | |
| [13:03] <Tonio_> that can make sense | |
| [13:04] <apachelogger> would be quite strange | |
| [13:04] <apachelogger> folderview should use kstandarddirs I guess | |
| [13:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the point is that I kde doesn't start when I create a new account | |
| [13:04] <vorian> hmmm | |
| [13:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: btw I just apt-get remove --purge k* , performed an autoremove, and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop | |
| [13:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: means I'm pretty sure my computer is cleaned of any broken package | |
| [13:05] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32178/ | |
| [13:05] <apachelogger> Tonio_: anything interesting in .xsession-errors? | |
| [13:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: performing a test before this and I'll let you know | |
| [13:07] <Tonio_> hum...... creating a Desktop folder doesn't help | |
| [13:07] <smarter> Wubbbi: looks at where all the other "&& \" are and where you're one is, and try to understand what it is for | |
| [13:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://paste.toniox.org/44 | |
| [13:08] <Tonio_> that's ugly :) | |
| [13:08] <Wubbbi> && = and do ... | |
| [13:08] <Wubbbi> ? | |
| [13:08] <smarter> Wubbbi: yep, but the \ is here to allow you to change line | |
| [13:08] <smarter> Wubbbi: and the orig must contains the version | |
| [13:08] <Wubbbi> and that mean? | |
| [13:09] <smarter> Wubbbi: what means what? | |
| [13:09] <Wubbbi> <smarter> Wubbbi: yep, but the \ is here to allow you to change line | |
| [13:09] <apachelogger> Tonio_: looks unhealthy ;-) | |
| [13:09] <apachelogger> meh | |
| [13:09] <apachelogger> uploading l10n makes me lag bigtime | |
| [13:09] <Tonio_> permissions issue somehow ? | |
| [13:10] <Tonio_> rebooting to test | |
| [13:10] * apachelogger goes out for some coffee | |
| [13:11] <smarter> Wubbbi: it means the newline is escaped, so that if you press return to do a new line, it will be the same as if there was no \ and no newline | |
| [13:12] <Wubbbi> aha ok ... is that better now http://paste.ubuntu.com/32180/ @ smarter | |
| [13:12] <smarter> Wubbbi: are you sure you understand what the "&& \" is for? | |
| [13:13] <smarter> by the way, you should use a "_" before the version number, not a "-" | |
| [13:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I suspect my problem can be due to my .kde | |
| [13:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but the really strange point is that not any new user can connect..... that, I don't understand the point, any clue ? | |
| [13:14] <smarter> Wubbbi: have you looked at the lastline? it's what you kio-sysinfo-$${version}-whatever should be | |
| [13:15] <Tonio_> apachelogger: my testing user has the same groups as the standard, so that may not be a permissions issue..... | |
| [13:16] <Wubbbi> smarter: so I should rename the line " ${CURDIR}/${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}.orig.tar.gz "? | |
| [13:16] <smarter> Wubbbi: you should use that instead of kio-sysinfo-bla | |
| [13:17] <seezer> anyone building kde4 applications with kde packages from kubuntu? my 4.1.0 FindAutomoc4.cmake file fails to find automoc4 - iirc it was able to find it in 4.0.8x. any hints? | |
| [13:17] <smarter> Wubbbi: and please, try to understand what the "\" is for, putting one on the middle of a line does not make sense | |
| [13:20] <Tonio_> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/247003 | |
| [13:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 247003 in mesa "gnome-session makes Xorg crash in xf86SetScrnInfoModes" [Undecided,Incomplete] | |
| [13:20] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I should link the bug to kdm too I guess | |
| [13:20] <Tonio_> exactly the same issue | |
| [13:21] <Wubbbi> smarter: Like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32182/ | |
| [13:21] <smarter> Wubbbi: what is the last line for? | |
| [13:22] <smarter> Wubbbi: use && \ | |
| [13:22] <Wubbbi> smarter: I dont know ^^ the wiki Guid gave me that ^^ | |
| [13:22] <smarter> Wubbbi: try to understand how it worked and why it's not going to work with the changes you did | |
| [13:26] <Wubbbi> smarter: can you give me the wikipage again? I have lost it :/ | |
| [13:26] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok what should I typ into goodle? | |
| [13:26] <Wubbbi> google | |
| [13:27] <smarter> Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete | |
| [13:27] <smarter> you could have used wiki.ubuntu.com search to find that | |
| [13:41] <Wubbbi> smarter: hmmm the wiki dont tell me what "${CURDIR}/${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" means | |
| [13:41] <Wubbbi> :/ | |
| [13:41] <smarter> Wubbbi: try to use your brain | |
| [13:44] <Wubbbi> smarter: hihi xD | |
| [13:46] <Wubbbi> ok that mean "${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}" --- "Package_verion" ok ... | |
| [13:46] <Wubbbi> version | |
| [13:46] <Wubbbi> but what is that? "${CURDIR" | |
| [13:46] <Wubbbi> ${CURDIR} | |
| [13:48] <smarter> current directory :P | |
| [13:48] <smarter> but you could have added echo ${CURDIR} in the get-orig-source to see what it's supposed to do | |
| [13:51] <Wubbbi> smarter: Is that like this right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32189/ | |
| [13:52] <smarter> no :'( | |
| [13:53] <smarter> wth is this "${CURDIR}/kio-sysinfo_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" doing in the middle of nowhere, and why do you have a \ but don't have a line feed? | |
| [13:57] <Wubbbi> smarter: should I remove "${CURDIR}/kio-sysinfo_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" ? | |
| [13:57] <smarter> \o/ | |
| [13:58] <smarter> yes | |
| [13:58] <smarter> and add ${CURDIR}/ to you kio-sysinfo thing | |
| [14:00] <Wubbbi> smarter: Like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32193/ | |
| [14:00] <smarter> YES !! :) | |
| [14:01] <smarter> now you just need to add commands to remove the non-free icons before the tar czf | |
| [14:01] <smarter> and add .dfsg to the version number | |
| [14:01] <Wubbbi> Yeah! :D | |
| [14:06] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok now they should be remove right ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32195/ ) what to do now? | |
| [14:09] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok now they are removed ... what to do now? Creat a "Icon" folder in Debian, and put the Icons into there. And they add that Icons to the Rule file, to Install them right? | |
| [14:10] <smarter> Wubbbi: use debian/install to install them | |
| [14:12] <Wubbbi> ok ... and what to right in install? | |
| [14:13] <smarter> Wubbbi: debian/icons/bla.png usr/share/bla/ | |
| [14:14] <Wubbbi> right = write xD | |
| [14:21] <Wubbbi> smarter: that does usr/share/bla mean? oO | |
| [14:25] <Wubbbi> smarter ? | |
| [14:26] <smarter> Wubbbi: that means that if the file has to be installed in /usr/share/bla, you should write usr/share/bla/ | |
| [14:29] <Wubbbi> smarter: ohhh they need to be installed ... ok | |
| [14:30] <Wubbbi> smarter: Is it possible to say ... " /usr/share/kio-sysinfo ??? | |
| [14:30] <Wubbbi> or better "/usr/share/kio-sysinfo/icons | |
| [14:30] <Wubbbi> " | |
| [14:31] <smarter> Wubbbi: I don't know, see where they are installed | |
| [14:31] <smarter> use dpkg -L nameofthepackage | |
| [14:33] <Wubbbi> smarter: hmmm ... why they need to be installed? I mean I have them in The "icons" folder | |
| [14:35] <smarter> Wubbbi: because, how does dpkg now where they should go if you don't write it in the debian/install file? | |
| [14:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: could you please check the video in my latest blog post and tell me your opinion when I get back in some hours? | |
| [14:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: the link is http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/07/background-stuff.html | |
| [14:37] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: sure, i'll look at it in a few | |
| [14:37] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: is there a package of the latest updates? | |
| [14:37] <Wubbbi> smarter: ohhh right so that mean that the icons are going to install on /usr/share/bla ... ok ...but that makes me confuse "[15:31] <smarter> Wubbbi: I don't know, see where they are installed" ... I dont knwo where they are installed. First you are saying they need to be install at xy and then you say they are installed at xy ... what now? | |
| [14:37] <smarter> Wubbbi: I have to go IRL, be back later | |
| [14:37] <smarter> Wubbbi: use dpkg -L to see where they are installed | |
| [14:38] <smarter> then write that down in the debian/install file | |
| [14:44] <Wubbbi> smarter: hä? where is what installed? | |
| [14:49] <jjesse> quick question in intrepid, is there a replacement for the system settings disks and filesystems that would allow me to control mount points etc? | |
| [14:49] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: there isn't one yet | |
| [14:49] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: bummer... need to remember how to config mount points manually then :( | |
| [14:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah | |
| [14:50] <JontheEchidna> :( | |
| [14:50] <jjesse> new device notifier is showing my NTFS drive and also my FAT32 drive but when i click on "open in dolphin" nothing happens | |
| [14:59] <ScottK> Before I mark Bug 253245 invalid, would it make sense to add a stub pyqtconfig in python-qt4 that just raises an error that says, "pyqtconfig is in the python-qt4-dev package. You need to install that package to use pyqtconfig"? | |
| [14:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253245 in python-qt4 "import PyQt4.pyqtconfig fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253245 | |
| [15:03] <\sh> ScottK: no...if it belongs to the part of "developing for pyqt4" everybody using debian/ubuntu should know that those stuff is laying in -dev packages...developing with/using pyqt4 , everything is in the main package...(minus dbus ,-) | |
| [15:04] <ScottK> \sh: It's not the first time I've seen a bug report like that. | |
| [15:05] <ScottK> If this was Debian, I'd say "Tough, they should know better.", but in Ubuntu maybe we can be nicer? | |
| [15:06] <\sh> ScottK: because it's not common for python packages to have -dev packages for low level stuff, but it is really following debian policy regarding development files | |
| [15:07] <\sh> if someone includes PyQT4.pyqtconfig he knows exactly why...and should know the debian way...really noone else is fighting with this | |
| [15:07] <ScottK> Agreed it's the right place for it. OK. | |
| [15:07] <ScottK> Invalid it is. | |
| [15:08] <\sh> ScottK: I just had a closer look what this module does, and it's nothing really, which I would import, if I'm not sure what I'm doing...means: application development with pyqt4 doesn't use it... | |
| [15:08] <davmor2> There's no usplash screen on the installed intrepid system still :( | |
| [15:09] <ScottK> \sh: I think it's only actually useful during build time. | |
| [15:09] <\sh> ScottK: or when you want to add something very low level to it (like selfmade kde widget / kde addon libs where someone needs sip interfaces) | |
| [15:18] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: are you online? | |
| [15:24] <nixternal> jjesse: you about ready to start the doc migration from kde 3 to kde 4 for Kubuntu? | |
| [15:25] <nixternal> Riddell: I will be working on the docs and I am sure jjesse will do a little as well...if we can get a few people to proofread and provide text docs that would be great...finding docbook people to work on Kubuntu or KDE docs is damn near impossible | |
| [15:25] <GreySim> How do I get involved with proofreading? | |
| [15:26] <nixternal> GreySim: stick around here, follow the kubuntu-devel and ubuntu-docs mailing lists as well | |
| [15:26] <Jucato> oh.. need to subscribe to ubuntu-docs too? | |
| [15:26] <GreySim> Will do. | |
| [15:27] <nixternal> Jucato: not really as it has just been jjesse and I doing the docs, so we would always email between us and cc Riddell just to annoy him :P | |
| [15:27] * ryanakca debates on doing a fresh install of intrepid vs just dist-upgrading | |
| [15:27] <Jucato> nixternal: ah ok. maybe I can help this time around with KDE 4 shtuff | |
| [15:27] <Jucato> docs I mean | |
| [15:28] <Jucato> I can start w/ poopreading | |
| [15:28] <nixternal> you are beyond proofreading, I have seen your documentation you have created | |
| [15:28] * Jucato snaps fingers | |
| [15:28] <Jucato> okie dokie | |
| [15:28] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: are you online? | |
| [15:28] <Jucato> well then, I'm volunteering for kubuntu docs for intrepid | |
| [15:29] <Jucato> nixternal: keep me on a leash please :) | |
| [15:30] <jjesse> nixternal: just loaded intrepid so i can start doing docs | |
| [15:30] <jjesse> and i did get my wireless to work | |
| [15:30] <jjesse> now if i can just figure out how to mount my drives | |
| [15:30] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: yes | |
| [15:30] <Jucato> hm... of course I need to upgrade to intrepid hahaha! | |
| [15:31] <nixternal> I need to build a new desktop at home so I can get intrepid on it and rebuild my laptop at home | |
| [15:31] <aos101> What's the holdup on getting the fix in bug 199393 released? Is it just waiting for someone on the SRU verification team to test it? | |
| [15:31] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 199393 in dolphin "servicemenu for amarok has an invalid menu entry "addAsPodcast"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199393 | |
| [15:31] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: can you tell me what I have to write in debian/install? smarter told me that I have to write /debian/icon/mypicture.png /usr/share/whatever ... what does these /usr/share/whatever mean? | |
| [15:31] <nixternal> it is going to be a bit to hot to cycle much this week, so I plan on working on Kubuntu.... Riddell do you have anything else other than docs I can work on this week? If so, message me or email me a list of things to work on, including coding if need be | |
| [15:32] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: that's where teh pcitures will be installed | |
| [15:32] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: can I choose one are is it a special place? | |
| [15:32] <ryanakca> Jucato: gah, Need to get 3049MB of archives... I have to wait 'till August to upgrade so I don't go over my bandwidth limit :/ | |
| [15:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: heh I'm also hesitant to upgrade now.. last time I tried, X failed to start.. and the new X config system is totally alien to me... | |
| [15:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: and I sort of need a working Kubuntu KDE 4 to demo on Aug. 24 | |
| [15:33] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: you have to choose the place where it would normally be installed | |
| [15:33] <ryanakca> Jucato: X has a new config system? | |
| [15:34] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: a Place where is Icons will be installed ... ok. | |
| [15:34] <Wubbbi> thank you :) | |
| [15:34] <Jucato> ryanakca: well, not really X.. or dunno what happened.. if you do a fresh install, look at your xorg.conf | |
| [15:34] <Jucato> ryanakca: all "Configured Foo" entries | |
| [15:35] <ryanakca> Jucato: hmm... I might dual boot.... have an intrepid and keep my hardy... imho, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but I don't know much about X anyways.... I do all my configuring with dpkg-reconfigure :) | |
| [15:36] <Jucato> ryanakca: well the problem is it when it breaks.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do the same thing anymore :) | |
| [15:36] <Jucato> it just reconfigures the keyboard and mouse I think | |
| [15:37] <ryanakca> gah... So, how would a newish user reconfigure X when it breaks without manually editing Xorg.conf... at least you used to be able to say ``oh, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... It will ask you a few questions, and it'll get X back up and running for you''... | |
| [15:39] <Jucato> ryanakca: I'm sure there has been a way.. I just haven't been paying attention probably... | |
| [15:39] <Jucato> but the old ways don't work :) | |
| [15:40] <Jucato> (at least I think manually editing xorg.conf still works... I think) | |
| [15:41] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you back? | |
| [15:42] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: ok I have done this now. What I have to do that the icons will be installed now. I want to replace them The Old Icons are Removed and now I need to install them. How to do that? | |
| [15:42] * JontheEchidna doesn't understand | |
| [15:47] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: hihi xD ... ok ... I want to replace some Icons with other Icons. I cant do that with a patch. So I have to write it down in debian/rules. My Rules looks like this ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32195/ ) ... Now I have created a debian/Icons folder, where I have my "new" Icons. Then I have created a install file. Now I need to right something down, that the system (dpkg) install the new icons ( after they are remove ) ... | |
| [15:47] <Wubbbi> Remove Old + Install New = Replace. Replace = what I want :) | |
| [15:48] * JontheEchidna has never done this to be honest | |
| [15:49] <Wubbbi> xD | |
| [16:07] <Riddell> nixternal: I think docs would be the main thing | |
| [16:07] <Riddell> nixternal: if that's what interests you of course :) | |
| [16:13] <Riddell> nixternal: porting pinentry-qt to qt 4 might be an interesting coding task | |
| [16:19] <mornfall> (Afternoon...) | |
| [16:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdeutils needs a rebuild in Intrepid | |
| [16:24] <Riddell> why, it's a mornfall | |
| [16:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the hal-cups issue wasn't it? | |
| [16:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: python-usb | |
| [16:27] <JontheEchidna> it builds fine in pbuilder now | |
| [16:27] <Riddell> anyone use ktnef? | |
| [16:27] * Riddell retries kdeutils | |
| [16:28] <mornfall> : - P | |
| [16:28] <mornfall> It would seem so indeed. | |
| [16:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed than adept crashes on intrepid | |
| [16:31] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I think that's because there is not konsole-kde3 kpart in intrepid | |
| [16:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: makes sense indeed | |
| [16:32] <JontheEchidna> *is not a konsole kpart | |
| [16:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the status of adept kde4 ? | |
| [16:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: deverses a package or not ? | |
| [16:32] <mornfall> Good question. | |
| [16:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: why ask me, mornfall is just here waiting for a hug from you :) | |
| [16:32] <Tonio_> hey mornfall :) | |
| [16:33] <mornfall> : - ) | |
| [16:33] <mornfall> Hi. | |
| [16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't look at the names on the channel :) | |
| [16:33] * Tonio_ higs mornfall | |
| [16:33] <Tonio_> s/higs/hugs... | |
| [16:33] <nixternal> Riddell: pinentry has already been ported to qt4...it used to be in the kde svn | |
| [16:33] <mornfall> The status would go as, if I manage it in 3 weeks, then it will be done, otherwise it'll get much longer, I guess. | |
| [16:34] <nixternal> but if it hasn't, I will work on it again | |
| [16:34] <mornfall> So hope for these 3 weeks? ; - ) | |
| [16:34] <Riddell> nixternal: ah well, package it up then :) | |
| [16:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: that would be nice :) | |
| [16:34] <nixternal> roger dodger...gotta find it now.... ScottK and I found it a while ago | |
| [16:34] <mornfall> The idea is likely to be that, very unusually, my sorting through bugzilla actually gave me some motivation. | |
| [16:35] <Tonio_> hehe | |
| [16:36] <Riddell> actually seele was just asking about adept the other day | |
| [16:37] <mornfall> I have 4 items on 3.0 must-fix. | |
| [16:38] <mornfall> Which isn't really that bad. | |
| [16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can still prepare some adept-kde4 packages tomorrow | |
| [16:38] <Riddell> packaging isn't a problem Tonio_ | |
| [16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know that ;) | |
| [16:39] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you back? | |
| [16:39] <mornfall> The packages should be in a remotely decent shape, but they do need rebuilds. | |
| [16:39] <Tonio_> well better wait 3 weeks then | |
| [16:39] <mornfall> What day is it today? | |
| [16:39] <mornfall> Okey. | |
| [16:39] <Wubbbi> Do anyone know how to get the changelog from kde 4.1 RC1 to Kde 4.1 Final? | |
| [16:39] <mornfall> Tonio_: I will have alpha 5 by tomorrow evening. | |
| [16:40] <Tonio_> mornfall: super ! :) | |
| [16:40] <mornfall> I'll upload to Debian experimental and I let you sort out KUbuntu? | |
| [16:40] <mornfall> That'd work for me at least... : - ) | |
| [16:41] <mornfall> (It's not hard to get packages to PPA, but it's still work that you can save me...) | |
| [16:48] <Wubbbi> When I have patches for a package, do I need them to the rules ( via "include xy" ) ? | |
| [16:53] <Riddell> Wubbbi: you need to make sure that rules applies the patch, most packages will if you put the patch in debian/patches | |
| [16:53] <Riddell> cdbs packages will typically include simple-patchsys or quilt to apply the patch | |
| [16:54] <aos101> Riddell: Do you know why it's taking so long for the fix to bug 199393 to be released? Is it just waiting for the SRU verification team to test it? | |
| [16:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 199393 in dolphin "servicemenu for amarok has an invalid menu entry "addAsPodcast"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199393 | |
| [17:00] <Riddell> aos101: good question | |
| [17:01] <Riddell> aos101: yeah I guess so, the verification team tend to need a poke, try pinging bdmurray | |
| [17:01] <Riddell> on #ubuntu-devel | |
| [17:02] <Wubbbi> Riddell: aha ok thank you for the information :) | |
| [17:02] <aos101> Riddell: Thanks, I'll try that. | |
| [17:03] <mornfall> So Interpid will be running on 4.1 as primary desktop? | |
| [17:04] <JontheEchidna> ^yes | |
| [17:04] <mornfall> If I get adept beta (feature-complete, that is) out in three weeks, that'll get in, right? | |
| [17:04] <Riddell> mornfall: yes indeed | |
| [17:05] <JontheEchidna> go mornfall go! :) | |
| [17:10] <apachelogger> kmail doesn't quit properly either | |
| [17:18] <mornfall> Weekly cron jobs run by default roughly once a week on ubuntu, right? (Anacron or such...) | |
| [17:19] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you back? | |
| [17:26] <Riddell> mornfall: like /etc/cron.weekly/apt-xapian-index ? I'd imagine it's exactly once a week | |
| [17:27] <mornfall> Riddell: Yeah, that one. But I guess I'll still call it if it is needed, makes everything more robust. | |
| [18:07] <vorian> bug #253301 is ready | |
| [18:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253301 in kdeedu "kdeedu 4.1.0 is ftbfs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253301 | |
| [18:31] <goetzc> hi | |
| [18:31] <Riddell> hi goetzc | |
| [18:59] <apachelogger> omg, iridium is dead | |
| [18:59] <apachelogger> that explains the build queue length ;-) | |
| [19:00] <apachelogger> I think svn xbmc is built 3 times a day | |
| [19:09] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping | |
| [19:11] <gnomefreak> kdeedu is stopping intrepid packages? | |
| [19:15] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: WIP | |
| [19:15] <gnomefreak> WIP? | |
| [19:16] <smarter> work in progress | |
| [19:16] <gnomefreak> ah thanks | |
| [19:22] <Artemis_Fowl> damn. I have to go again... :( | |
| [19:33] <Wubbbi> smarter: are you away? | |
| [19:33] <smarter> I'm here | |
| [19:35] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok | |
| [19:35] <Wubbbi> smarter: I still dont understand the thing with the debian/install file. You said that I have to search for something. But I dont know what. | |
| [19:36] <smarter> you have to know where kio-sysinfo install the icons | |
| [19:49] <Wubbbi> smarter: the problem is, that the kio-sysinfo what I have, an Initial release is. | |
| [19:49] <smarter> and? | |
| [19:49] <smarter> (germans really speak like Yoda :P) | |
| [19:50] <Wubbbi> xD | |
| [19:51] <Wubbbi> yes and if it was an Initial release I dont know where the kio-sysinfo install the icons | |
| [19:52] <apachelogger> smarter: that is because germans can make super awesome sentences featuring 30 commas and using at least 100 words ;-) | |
| [19:53] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: why do you need debian/install anyway? | |
| [19:53] <smarter> apachelogger: I know, and that's why I get bad marks in german :P | |
| [19:54] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: smarter told me xD | |
| [19:54] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: I dont know why | |
| [19:56] <smarter> (/me hates strong verbs too) | |
| [19:57] <Wubbbi> smarter: why do I need debian/install? | |
| [19:57] <smarter> Wubbbi: to install the free icons | |
| [19:58] <smarter> other solution is to patch the icon to use system icons | |
| [19:58] <smarter> s/patch the icon/patch the source/ | |
| [19:59] <Wubbbi> smarter: So I can patch the source by replacing the icons? | |
| [19:59] <smarter> s/by replacing/to replace/ | |
| [20:02] <Wubbbi> smarter: what? xD ... whatever ... what to do now? hust change the icons in the orig.tar.gz? oO | |
| [20:02] <Wubbbi> hust = just | |
| [20:02] <smarter> Wubbbi: debian/install is the easiest way to do it imho | |
| [20:04] <Wubbbi> smarter: ok ... and what to do with that? On the Left side I write down the path to the icons debian/icons/ati.png etc. then I make a "Space" and what I have to write down then? | |
| [20:04] <apachelogger> Oo | |
| [20:04] <apachelogger> oh | |
| [20:04] <apachelogger> dude | |
| [20:04] <apachelogger> smarter: you didn't listen to me the other day | |
| [20:04] <apachelogger> the original images _can't_ be part of the tarball | |
| [20:04] <smarter> apachelogger: I know | |
| [20:05] <smarter> apachelogger: that's why I said he should remove them using get-orig-source | |
| [20:05] <apachelogger> yeah | |
| [20:05] <smarter> apachelogger: then add others using whatever he wants | |
| [20:05] <apachelogger> but also place the new icons in using get-orig-source | |
| [20:05] <apachelogger> create a bzr branch and push the images then | |
| [20:05] <apachelogger> then bzr pull them in get-orig | |
| [20:05] <smarter> I don't really like doing more changes than necessary to the orig | |
| [20:06] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: das ist das was ich die ganze zeit sagen will. Was muss ich eingeben, damit er mir auch die neuen Icons installiert? Ich meine nur eintfernen bringt ja nix | |
| [20:06] * smarter ist totally kaput | |
| [20:07] <ryanakca> Hmmm... looks like the german population is overtaking the french population in #kubuntu-devel | |
| [20:07] <ryanakca> (assuming that is german, of course ;) | |
| [20:07] <smarter> I don't know how to say totally in German :P | |
| [20:07] <apachelogger> smarter: this change is necessary | |
| [20:08] <smarter> apachelogger: removing the nonfree icons is necessary | |
| [20:08] <smarter> adding other is not | |
| [20:08] <smarter> other icons | |
| [20:08] <apachelogger> smarter: the surce should work fine without debian/ | |
| [20:08] <apachelogger> smarter: if you want to do it the complicate way, then you guys will have to patch that thing to use the oxygen package itself | |
| [20:09] <Wubbbi> smarter: why is it not nessessary the add new? | |
| [20:10] <Wubbbi> Hello? ... I have add a Icon folder in /debain. There I have put all the "new" ( Oxygen Icons ) into. Now I want, that these Icon are getting Installed and in the folder src/about/suse/images ... then the Icons will work fine | |
| [20:10] <Wubbbi> the question = How to do that? | |
| [20:10] <smarter> IMHO, it is not necessary to add other icons to the orig.tar.gz, since they're not part of the program, may have a different licence, and the program works without them | |
| [20:11] <smarter> Wubbbi: ask apachelogger :P | |
| [20:11] * smarter is tired | |
| [20:11] <Wubbbi> smarter: Oxygen Icons are GPL Icons. The Program is GPL too ... no problem | |
| [20:11] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: help me! xD | |
| [20:12] <smarter> Wubbbi: no | |
| [20:12] <smarter> Oxygen icon theme is dual licensed. You may copy it under the Creative Common Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License or the GNU Library General Public License. | |
| [20:12] <smarter> you will have to put that in the debian/copyright too | |
| [20:13] <apachelogger> smarter: that is less work than uuing around | |
| [20:13] <apachelogger> either do it the real simple way or the completely right way | |
| [20:13] <smarter> apachelogger: why should we use uuencode/decode? | |
| [20:13] <apachelogger> smarter: where are the icons coming from? | |
| [20:13] <smarter> apachelogger: debian/icons | |
| [20:13] <smarter> then installed using debian/install | |
| [20:14] <smarter> or, we could patch the source to use the system icons | |
| [20:14] <apachelogger> smarter: debian/icons? | |
| [20:14] <smarter> inside debian/ | |
| [20:14] <smarter> why do I feel like I keep repeating the same stuff since days? :/ | |
| [20:14] <apachelogger> eh | |
| [20:15] <apachelogger> smarter: debian is a diff against orig | |
| [20:15] <apachelogger> you can't add binaries to debian?! | |
| [20:15] <smarter> hmm, right | |
| [20:16] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: how to replace the icons now? In Rules, I have removed them. Now I want to add the new one ... How to do that? | |
| [20:16] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html | |
| [20:17] <apachelogger> create a code branch in your launchpad profile | |
| [20:17] <apachelogger> bzr push the icons to that branch | |
| [20:17] <apachelogger> then bzr pull them in get-orig and include them in the tarball recreation process | |
| [20:20] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: Cant I write it direkt to get-orig like " install /debian/Icons/bla.png, blab.png, blib.png /src/about/suse/images/ " ? | |
| [20:21] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: you can | |
| [20:22] <apachelogger> you shouldn't | |
| [20:22] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: why? | |
| [20:22] <apachelogger> as in I will not advocate the package | |
| [20:22] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: because the changes have to be reproducable for new upstream releases | |
| [20:22] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: but it is in the debain folder. | |
| [20:22] * apachelogger feels smarter's redundancy | |
| [20:23] <apachelogger> [21:15:09] <apachelogger> smarter: debian is a diff against orig | |
| [20:23] <apachelogger> [21:15:14] <apachelogger> you can't add binaries to debian?! | |
| [20:23] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: ^ | |
| [20:23] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: so it is also not possible to remove them via. get-orig? | |
| [20:24] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: read that carefully | |
| [20:24] <Wubbbi> what? the link for bzr? | |
| [20:24] <apachelogger> the two lines I pasted | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger> you can't store binary files in debian/ | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger> and images (expect for svn and xpm) are binary files | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger> thus can't be added to debian/ | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger> thus you need the bzr branch | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger> which is kind of an online storage for the icons | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger> then you can pull the icons in via get-orig | |
| [20:25] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: but it is possible to remove them? ... I mean the nonfree | |
| [20:26] <apachelogger> yes | |
| [20:26] <Wubbbi> ok | |
| [20:26] <apachelogger> it is the whole point of it | |
| [20:26] <apachelogger> you create a new orig | |
| [20:27] <Wubbbi> ahhh ... now I understand | |
| [20:27] * apachelogger is off for tonight | |
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| [21:04] <JontheEchidna> Meeting in 2 hours? | |
| [21:05] <vorian> JontheEchidna: 4? | |
| [21:05] <vorian> @now | |
| [21:05] <ubottu> vorian: Current time in Etc/UTC: July 30 2008, 20:05:28 - Next meeting: Mentoring Reception in 17 hours 54 minutes | |
| [21:05] <vorian> hmm | |
| [21:05] <vorian> no fridge! | |
| [21:25] * Xand3r passes some cookies arround, he passes the driving test to day | |
| [21:31] <Tm_T> Xand3r: nice :) | |
| [21:31] <Riddell> yay | |
| [21:34] <Xand3r> hi Riddell | |
| [21:34] <Xand3r> i think the meeting is an open one or? | |
| [21:36] <Riddell> 1.5 yes | |
| [21:36] <Nightrose> it is Xand3r | |
| [21:36] <Nightrose> and wohoooo @ driving license | |
| [21:36] <Xand3r> Nightrose: ^^ | |
| [21:36] <emunkki> Nightrose, isn't it drivers license ;) | |
| [21:36] <vorian> yay Xand3r :) | |
| [21:36] <Nightrose> emunkki: might be ;-) | |
| [21:37] <Xand3r> ^^ | |
| [21:37] * Nightrose shuts up and goes back to watching dr horrible | |
| [21:37] <Xand3r> 22:00 utc is late | |
| [21:38] <yuriy> umm meeting is in #kubuntu-devel, not #ubuntu-meeting, right? | |
| [21:38] <Riddell> it makes it possible for americans to come, and geeks tend to work late | |
| [21:38] <Riddell> yuriy: yes | |
| [21:39] * yuriy fixes wiki | |
| [21:39] <Tm_T> meeting is here? | |
| [21:39] <Tm_T> I see | |
| [21:40] <Xand3r> Riddell: ok, thats right, i some times forget, that here are working people from the hole world | |
| [21:40] <hunger> kstars has a file conflict with the indi package. | |
| [21:40] <hunger> The file is /usr/bin/indiserver | |
| [21:41] <hunger> What makes this annoying is that kstars seems to depend on indi:-| | |
| [21:41] <Riddell> vorian: seen that? ^^ | |
| [21:42] <vorian> ah | |
| [21:42] <JontheEchidna> question: | |
| [21:42] * hunger heads for bed. Good night. | |
| [21:42] <vorian> Riddell: nope | |
| [21:43] <JontheEchidna> hmm, wait | |
| [21:43] <vorian> i'll take a closer look since i'm working on that package now | |
| [21:43] <JontheEchidna> nevermind | |
| [21:44] <hunger> Is digikam installable on intrepid again by the way? | |
| [21:44] <Xand3r> hunger: are you working on it? | |
| [21:44] <vorian> not quite yet hunger, Xand3r is working on the kde4 version | |
| [21:44] <hunger> Somebody had been working on updated packages a while back as I recall. | |
| [21:45] <hunger> Xand3r: Nope, Just trying to use it. | |
| [21:45] <Xand3r> urg yea | |
| [21:45] <Xand3r> but i hade much stress | |
| [21:45] <Xand3r> and was not in that mood to do it, verry tired the hole day | |
| [21:45] <hunger> Xand3r: Great:-) I don't need the deb that urgent, but it is good to know somebody is working on it. | |
| [21:46] <vorian> Xand3r: what do you have left to complete with digikam? | |
| [21:46] <Xand3r> and you have no fun with uploading the source of digikam, if you have only 9kb/s upstream | |
| [21:46] <hunger> Xand3r: Knowing somebody does work on it makes me looking forward to update my installation each morning;-) | |
| [21:47] <Xand3r> vorian: somthing with the pictures, but if i change something i konw after compiling if it works, but thats thake much time-,- | |
| [21:48] <vorian> Riddell: kstars and indi both include the indiserver binary, i'll remove it from kstars.install | |
| [21:48] <Xand3r> hunger: thats why i update more times the day^^ | |
| [21:48] <hunger> Xand3r: Can you use CCache? That speeds up things for me a lot. | |
| [21:48] <hunger> things == rebuilding stuff over and over. | |
| [21:48] <vorian> Xand3r: do you have your latest work on revu? :) | |
| [21:49] <Xand3r> vorian: nop | |
| [21:49] <Xand3r> you know i takes to mich time | |
| [21:49] <Xand3r> and debuild -S includes the source on my pc -.- | |
| [21:49] <Xand3r> so every change take 1 hour | |
| [21:49] <vorian> Xand3r: can you upload what you have? we'll see what more needs to be done :) | |
| [21:50] <vorian> 1 hour! | |
| [21:50] <vorian> yikes | |
| [21:50] <Xand3r> ofcours | |
| [21:50] <JontheEchidna> is it failing in dh_install? | |
| [21:50] <JontheEchidna> or during the actual compiling? | |
| [21:50] <Xand3r> dh: | |
| [21:50] <Xand3r> dh_ | |
| [21:51] <JontheEchidna> if it's doing the dh_ stuff just use debuild -nc | |
| [21:51] <JontheEchidna> that way you don't have to compile everything again | |
| [21:51] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: i have no intrepid | |
| [21:51] <Xand3r> so i have to do i with pbuilder | |
| [21:51] <JontheEchidna> ouch | |
| [21:51] <Xand3r> and that clears the cache after every compiling-.- | |
| [21:51] * JontheEchidna feels your pain | |
| [21:52] <Xand3r> thx | |
| [21:53] <Xand3r> i have realy no fun staring working on digikam -.- the pbuilder might take hours-.- | |
| [21:53] <Xand3r> i need a better inet and a better pc | |
| [21:53] <Xand3r> is there some one sponsoring me? | |
| [21:53] * vorian waves | |
| [21:56] <Xand3r> vorian: you? | |
| [21:57] <vorian> yes :) | |
| [21:57] <Xand3r> realy? | |
| [21:58] <Xand3r> i have i somthing said wrong, did you get me wrong or do you real want to buy me a new computer? | |
| [21:59] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: I think he meant he'd testbuild stuff for you | |
| [21:59] <JontheEchidna> he did that for me when we worked on koffice2 | |
| [21:59] <Xand3r> ah | |
| [21:59] <Xand3r> nice | |
| [21:59] <vorian> haha | |
| [21:59] <vorian> sorry to get your hopes up | |
| [22:00] <Xand3r> hmm | |
| [22:00] <vorian> i meant i would help you build it | |
| [22:00] <Xand3r> vorian: thx | |
| [22:00] <Xand3r> gnaaa i think i know my fault now | |
| [22:09] <Xand3r> yea | |
| [22:10] <Xand3r> debuild -S -sd is the solution^^ | |
| [22:10] <vorian> :) | |
| [22:11] <Xand3r> so now i have to wait for revu, hope revu likes my solution | |
| [22:12] <vorian> :) | |
| [22:12] <Xand3r> vorian: the funny thing is, i have red this help much times, but now i got it | |
| [22:12] <vorian> yay! | |
| [22:12] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: you are going to be at the meeting and your wiki page is up to date? ;-) | |
| [22:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meeting in 45 minutes (in case you forgot) | |
| [22:16] <Xand3r> vorian: when the new version of digikam is on revu, could you test build it? | |
| [22:16] <Xand3r> that would be realy nice | |
| [22:16] <vorian> Xand3r: yepper | |
| [22:17] <Xand3r> vorian: thx | |
| [22:17] <Xand3r> vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4 | |
| [22:18] <Xand3r> i have to wrte the solution down before i forget it | |
| [22:18] <vorian> Xand3r: you didn't upload the orig.tar.gz | |
| [22:18] <Xand3r> righty | |
| [22:18] <Xand3r> that is why it workt so fast | |
| [22:19] <Xand3r> take the one from the upload befor | |
| [22:19] <Xand3r> i changed nothing on the source | |
| [22:19] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: got to add my 4.1 final packaging thingies | |
| [22:19] <JontheEchidna> then it'll be complete | |
| [22:19] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: go go go! | |
| [22:19] <Nightrose> ;-) | |
| [22:20] <JontheEchidna> ;-) | |
| [22:21] <vorian> Xand3r: revu is not that crafty, i'm afraid | |
| [22:22] <Xand3r> vorian: who are the admins^^ | |
| [22:22] <Xand3r> i have learned to talk with the devels helps^^ | |
| [22:24] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ping me when your page is ready so I can have a look before the meeting :) | |
| [22:24] <JontheEchidna> ok | |
| [22:26] <Xand3r> vorian: have you start the building? how much cores has your pc? | |
| [22:30] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonathan265 | |
| [22:30] <Nightrose> thanks :) | |
| [22:31] <JontheEchidna> np | |
| [22:32] <mhb> greetings from an ex-KDE fan | |
| [22:33] <Riddell> hi mhb | |
| [22:33] <Riddell> looksee what I've just done http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/gdebi-kde_0.3.12_all.deb | |
| [22:34] <kwwii> lol, you cannot install it with gdebi | |
| [22:34] <Riddell> uh oh | |
| [22:35] <kwwii> gdebi-core is needed it seems | |
| [22:35] <Riddell> well sure | |
| [22:35] <Riddell> gdebi should work that out for you | |
| [22:35] <kwwii> nope, it gives me an error | |
| [22:36] <Arby> same here | |
| [22:36] <JontheEchidna> ... well ain't this a bitch, I have to go to town >:( | |
| [22:36] * JontheEchidna curses | |
| [22:36] <kwwii> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gdebi-core" | |
| [22:36] <vorian> wha! | |
| [22:36] <vorian> JontheEchidna: really? | |
| [22:36] <JontheEchidna> srsly | |
| [22:36] <kwwii> Riddell: my system is running hardy, naturally | |
| === mcas is now known as mcas_away | |
| [22:37] <Riddell> kwwii: oh, it won't work there I'm afraid | |
| [22:37] <kwwii> Riddell: that would explain the error then :-) | |
| [22:37] <Riddell> Arby: how did extragear for hardy go? | |
| [22:39] <Arby> Riddell: not finished yet, I ran out of time | |
| [22:39] <Arby> I should have time to do more tomorrow evening | |
| [22:39] <Arby> sorry | |
| [22:41] <Riddell> Arby: no problem, just when you can | |
| [22:42] <vorian> Arby: what needs to be done yet? | |
| [22:43] <vorian> kgraph, kiconedit, gopher, kmldonkey, kpov, skanlite | |
| [22:58] <Riddell> meeting in a couple of minutes? | |
| [22:58] <seele> yep | |
| [22:58] <Riddell> ping Nightrose, nixternal, yuriy | |
| [22:58] * Nightrose popups | |
| [22:58] <Nightrose> ;-) | |
| [22:58] <Xand3r> what is with apachelogger | |
| [22:59] <Nightrose> he seems to be afk | |
| [22:59] <Nightrose> probably sleeping already | |
| [22:59] <Nightrose> yea offline in jabber as well | |
| [22:59] <Tm_T> hi hi kids | |
| [23:00] <Nightrose> heya Tm_T :) | |
| [23:01] <Riddell> Good Evening Friends | |
| [23:01] <Riddell> it seems JontheEchidna | |
| [23:01] <Riddell> isn't here | |
| [23:02] <Riddell> smarter: want to introduce your item? | |
| [23:03] <smarter> okay ;) | |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | |
| [23:03] <smarter> I think we should package everything using bazaar | |
| [23:03] <smarter> (everything = kde4 stuff) | |
| [23:03] <Riddell> well, we tried that a while ago | |
| [23:03] <Riddell> and it didn't work because it's extra hassle | |
| [23:04] <Riddell> but, good news! | |
| [23:04] <Riddell> james_w is working on making it no extra hassle | |
| [23:04] <smarter> what's the extra hassle? | |
| [23:04] <smarter> bzr-builddeb is really handy | |
| [23:04] <Riddell> I've looked at the bzr-builddeb docs and never managed to work out what it does | |
| [23:04] <Riddell> maybe we should have a tutorial sometime | |
| [23:04] <smarter> I can make a howto if you want | |
| [23:05] <smarter> yep | |
| [23:05] <smarter> I use it for all my packaging | |
| [23:05] <Nightrose> smarter: can you explain a little what it does? | |
| [23:05] <smarter> there's many way to use it, let's assume we use the "merge" mode, where we only package the debian/ dir | |
| [23:05] <smarter> bzr bd will download the orig.tar.gz using some magics, and built it for you | |
| [23:06] <smarter> so to see if a new version work with your packaging, you just have to do dch -i | |
| [23:06] <smarter> (magics = trying file in ../tarballs, then debian/watch, then apt-get source) | |
| [23:07] <smarter> and bzr diff is helpful to see what changed between ubuntuX and ubuntuY, useful for backports | |
| [23:08] <smarter> if you need to have access to the tarball, you can use bzr bd-do, which unpack the tarball, copy the debian and copy only changes made to the debian dir when you exit | |
| [23:08] <smarter> useful for patching | |
| [23:08] <yuriy> evening (wow it's 6 already!) | |
| [23:08] <smarter> evening yuriy | |
| [23:08] <Nightrose> smarter: how hard is it for people who are new to packaging? | |
| [23:09] <Nightrose> on a scale of 1 to 10 | |
| [23:09] <smarter> hmm, 4? (: | |
| [23:09] <Tm_T> perhaps compared to "normal way" ? | |
| [23:09] <Nightrose> ;-) ok | |
| [23:09] <smarter> we just need a good howto(and I'm writing one :P) | |
| [23:10] <yuriy> smarter: perhaps add it to the packaging guide? | |
| [23:10] <smarter> yuriy: probably | |
| [23:10] <yuriy> on that note, the kde packaging wiki pages probably need some updating too | |
| [23:10] <smarter> Tm_T: not sure, I think it's easier | |
| [23:11] <vorian> smarter: it's another step though, you still need to know how to package | |
| [23:12] <smarter> other useful stuff you can do with bzr: "bzr diff" will show the differences between the last commit and your changes, it's handy if you want to write good debian/changelog | |
| [23:12] <Nightrose> smarter: once you finished it feel free to poke me to have a look at it from a packaging-noob POV ;-) | |
| [23:12] <vorian> i think it would be very handy on the core packages | |
| [23:12] <smarter> Nightrose: If i put it at the end of the PackagingGuide, I'll assume people now a bit about packaging :P | |
| [23:13] <smarter> s/now/know§ | |
| [23:14] <Nightrose> smarter: sure | |
| [23:14] <Nightrose> still imagine someone new to packaging | |
| [23:14] <Nightrose> he reads the packaging guide from start to end | |
| [23:14] <Nightrose> that doesn't necessarily make him a perfect packager does it ;-) | |
| [23:14] <smarter> yep :P | |
| [23:15] <Riddell> I'll look forward to the howto, I guess I'll need to try it to see if it's as easy as apt-get source, edit, dput | |
| [23:15] <Riddell> but as I say, james_w is working on makeing it all integrate in a transparent way | |
| [23:16] <kwwii> sorry for missing the beginning of the meeting | |
| [23:16] <smarter> it's a bit harder when you start, but when you get used to it you'll not want to use anything else :P | |
| [23:16] <smarter> so, does anyone see any disadvantage of bzr? | |
| [23:16] <smarter> s/bzr/using bzr for packaging/ even | |
| [23:16] <Riddell> still potentially extra hassle | |
| [23:17] <Tm_T> kwwii: welcome and hi son :) | |
| [23:17] <seele> Tm_T: i think he's back from a netsplit | |
| [23:17] <Tm_T> seele: yes, son :) | |
| [23:17] <vorian> smarter: it's not local? | |
| [23:17] <smarter> (yay for netsplit in the middle of a meeting) | |
| [23:17] <smarter> vorian: what is not local? | |
| [23:17] <kwwii> Tm_T: thanks, and no it was not a netsplit, it was me coming back by loging back into the server | |
| [23:18] <kwwii> anyway, full steam ahead | |
| [23:18] <Riddell> I know seb128 from the gnome team has tried it and found it all extra hassle | |
| [23:18] <smarter> well, I'm using it for all my packages and have yet to see that extra hassle :P | |
| [23:18] <Riddell> talking about packaging, cdbs might momentarily now so kde4.mk should be part of cdbs | |
| [23:18] <smarter> (https://code.launchpad.net/~smarter) | |
| [23:19] <kwwii> Riddell: for people like myself using just bzr is pretty nice | |
| [23:19] <smarter> Medibuntu already use it for all packages | |
| [23:19] <Riddell> smarter: I'll try it when you write the howto and consider it from there :) | |
| [23:19] <kwwii> but I know that seb doesn't like it...he sees it as extra work I think | |
| [23:19] <smarter> okay | |
| [23:20] <Riddell> yuriy: apport? | |
| [23:21] <yuriy> yep | |
| [23:21] <yuriy> forgot link: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-June/002336.html | |
| [23:22] <yuriy> I think it would be good to switch off the KDE crash handler so we get better crash reports from apport | |
| [23:23] <yuriy> in general the crash reports would then have to be forwarded upstream, but that is the same as with bugs filed now | |
| [23:23] <Riddell> I think that's just a case of removing drkonqi from kdebase-runtime | |
| [23:23] <smarter> what's "automatic retracing"? | |
| [23:23] <yuriy> the reports would be better but there would be more of them and they are private by default | |
| [23:24] <Riddell> smarter: the backtrace gets uploaded to launchpad bugs which can download the debugging symbols and fill in all the gaps automatically | |
| [23:24] <yuriy> smarter: apport uploads the full core dump, then the servers can use that to create a new backtrace with debugging symbols, regardless of whether the trace uploaded by the user was any good | |
| [23:24] <smarter> wow, cool | |
| [23:24] <Riddell> yuriy says it better :) | |
| [23:25] <yuriy> so I think Riddell answered the how. so concerns are: Do we have the manpower? Do people know how to deal with apport reports? (smarter, txwikinger?) | |
| [23:26] <Riddell> yuriy: actually I just tried it and it doesn't seem to work | |
| [23:26] <Nightrose> yuriy: how many people triage private kde bugs? | |
| [23:26] <Nightrose> ie: make them public when needed | |
| [23:26] <yuriy> Nightrose: I don't know of any private kde bugs right now | |
| [23:28] <Nightrose> ok then who do you see doing it if there are any after turning on apport | |
| [23:28] <yuriy> Riddell: doesn't work to disable the crash handler? | |
| [23:28] <Nightrose> i can imagine smarter, txwikinger, apachelogger and you | |
| [23:28] <Nightrose> who else? | |
| [23:28] <Riddell> yuriy: actually I can't get it to work on non-KDE apps | |
| [23:29] <Riddell> yuriy: well, let's talk to pitti and work out what needs done to get it working | |
| [23:29] <yuriy> Riddell: enabled in /etc/default/apport? | |
| [23:30] <yuriy> Nightrose: that's primarily it | |
| [23:30] <Nightrose> *nod* | |
| [23:30] <Riddell> yuriy: it was not | |
| [23:31] <Riddell> yuriy: still doesn't want to work for me, using kill -SEGV on gnome-terminal | |
| [23:31] <yuriy> Riddell: will have to talk to pitti then. I don't know if maybe something's changed with that.. | |
| [23:31] <JontheEchidna> back | |
| [23:32] <JontheEchidna> how much did I miss? | |
| [23:32] * JontheEchidna doesn't get why he had to go mulch shopping in the first place | |
| [23:32] <Nightrose> wb JontheEchidna | |
| [23:32] <JontheEchidna> thx | |
| [23:32] <Riddell> yuriy: yep, let's get it turned on and see how that works in terms of triage after a while | |
| [23:32] <yuriy> Riddell: iirc it's also somehow connected with adept-notifier? | |
| [23:32] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: packaging in bzr and enabeling apport for kde apps | |
| [23:32] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, it looks out for things appearing in /var/crash and promps you to start apport-qt | |
| [23:32] <yuriy> Riddell: OK. last question we can discuss later | |
| [23:33] <Riddell> so, let's move on to... | |
| [23:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna! | |
| [23:33] <JontheEchidna> reporting! | |
| [23:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: who are you and why do you want to be a member? | |
| [23:33] <JontheEchidna> Ok | |
| [23:34] <JontheEchidna> *badump* | |
| [23:34] <Tm_T> Nightrose: about triaging, I might be available at some point | |
| [23:34] <JontheEchidna> My name is Jonathan Thomas | |
| [23:34] <Nightrose> Tm_T: nice :) | |
| [23:34] <JontheEchidna> I am a 16 (almost 17) year old Linux/KDE enthusiast | |
| [23:35] <JontheEchidna> I would like to contribute to Kubuntu on a regular basis, plus being a member allows access to the kde4 ppa, \o/ | |
| [23:35] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: have your parents seen http://xkcd.com/456/ | |
| [23:35] <seele> yuriy: lol | |
| [23:35] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: my dad may have | |
| [23:36] <JontheEchidna> since he's a geek too | |
| [23:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you seem to have an interest in plasma, do you think it's the future of the desktop? | |
| [23:36] <JontheEchidna> yup! | |
| [23:37] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hmm, how would you contribute to Kubuntu? as in, what's your itch? | |
| [23:37] <JontheEchidna> Well, I have been working on packaging as of late | |
| [23:37] <Riddell> his wiki page is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Jonathan265 | |
| [23:37] <JontheEchidna> Though I also lurk regularly in #kubuntu-kde4 for user support | |
| [23:37] <kwwii> hoorah for the crazy guy! :p | |
| [23:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, just read that^ | |
| [23:37] <seele> JontheEchidna: what is something you would want change in the current desktop? | |
| [23:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, danke sehr :) | |
| [23:38] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: support is <3 | |
| [23:38] <JontheEchidna> seele: This is my vision for Intrepid: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults | |
| [23:38] <jussi01> I would Like to give a big +1 for JontheEchidna - he has been a great help in #kubuntu-kde4 as well as I have seen him active in other places also. :) | |
| [23:38] <Nightrose> I like the plasma packaging | |
| [23:39] <Nightrose> and he has been flooding my inbox with bugmail | |
| [23:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you looked at the Lancelot menu? | |
| [23:39] <vorian> I'll cheer for JontheEchidna! | |
| [23:39] <seele> JontheEchidna: so you probably have some input for the default plasmoids :) | |
| [23:39] * Tm_T hugs jussi01 | |
| [23:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I've been keeping tabs on the author's blog | |
| [23:40] <JontheEchidna> I'll reserve an opinion on it for when I actually test it | |
| [23:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: might be interesting to have a package of it (probably not in the archive until it's stable, but just so people can have a look) | |
| [23:40] <JontheEchidna> Raptor looks pretty cool too but it's a bit vaporwareish, unfortunately | |
| [23:40] * seele wants a krunner plasmoid *hint* | |
| [23:41] * Nightrose wants http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+Plasmoid?content=83246 *hint* :P | |
| [23:41] <vorian> hehe | |
| [23:41] <JontheEchidna> lol | |
| [23:41] <Riddell> any more questions for JontheEchidna? | |
| [23:41] <seele> Nightrose: hehe | |
| [23:41] <vorian> plus, he's a ninja | |
| [23:41] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: what was the reaction to kde 4.1 in #kubuntu-kde4 | |
| [23:41] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: one question, can I rely on you when my bones are aching with pyqt4 ? | |
| [23:41] <seele> Nightrose: doesn't that already exist? | |
| [23:42] <Nightrose> seele: ? | |
| [23:42] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: I'm still a bit fresh with pyqt, but I'll see what I can do | |
| [23:42] <Nightrose> the plasmoid? | |
| [23:42] <JontheEchidna> I can code apps and stuff | |
| [23:42] <Nightrose> there is a picture plasmoid | |
| [23:42] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: how much are you planning on working on kubuntu stuff during the school year? | |
| [23:42] <JontheEchidna> but I still need experience | |
| [23:42] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: thanks son :) | |
| [23:42] <Nightrose> but the flickr one displays flickr photos | |
| [23:42] <seele> Nightrose: there is a flickr plasmoid in ghns | |
| [23:42] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: school time will obviously limit how much I can contribute | |
| [23:42] <Nightrose> seele: that is probably the same one then | |
| [23:43] <Nightrose> but not packaged | |
| [23:43] <JontheEchidna> I won't be able to do irc all day | |
| [23:43] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: good :) | |
| [23:43] <seele> it's not in extragear? or whatever extragear turned in to? | |
| [23:43] <seele> oh, no, nevermind.. hns | |
| [23:43] * seele cooked with wine tonight | |
| [23:43] <JontheEchidna> but I am homeschooled ;-) | |
| [23:44] <Nightrose> ;-) | |
| [23:44] * Nightrose feels ignored and points to her question above :P | |
| [23:44] <JontheEchidna> which question was that? | |
| [23:44] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: what was the reaction to kde 4.1 in #kubuntu-kde4 | |
| [23:44] <JontheEchidna> oh | |
| [23:45] <JontheEchidna> from what I gathered | |
| [23:45] <JontheEchidna> upgrades from rc1 went much smoother | |
| [23:45] <JontheEchidna> people like to whine about how much the systray sucks | |
| [23:45] <JontheEchidna> but overall the reaction is good | |
| [23:45] <Nightrose> hehe yea | |
| [23:45] <Nightrose> seen that | |
| [23:45] <Nightrose> ok cool | |
| [23:45] <Nightrose> big +1 from me | |
| [23:45] <stdin> people just like to whine. | |
| [23:46] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hmm, what's biggest whine about systray? | |
| [23:46] <yuriy> big +1 from me too. lots of great work on every front, JontheEchidna | |
| [23:46] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: it looks like ass with transparent panels | |
| [23:46] <seele> +1 | |
| [23:46] <Riddell> +1 for packaging plasma love | |
| [23:46] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: ah, irrelevant mostly, I guess | |
| [23:46] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: i expect you to bribe me with http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+Plasmoid?content=83246 ;-) | |
| [23:46] <claydoh> +1 of course | |
| [23:46] <Riddell> looking forward to more plasma and non-plasma packages :) | |
| [23:46] <seele> Nightrose: no way, i'm first | |
| [23:46] <Tm_T> +1 from me, from old heart of mine | |
| [23:46] <Nightrose> hehe | |
| [23:46] <seele> JontheEchidna: krunner plasmoid! | |
| [23:46] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose, Riddell: will do ;-) | |
| [23:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: welcome to membership | |
| [23:47] <stdin> +1 for previous contributions | |
| [23:47] <JontheEchidna> :) | |
| [23:47] <vorian> yay JontheEchidna !!!! | |
| [23:47] <JontheEchidna> seele: I haven't seen that one | |
| [23:47] <Nightrose> congratulations JontheEchidna | |
| [23:47] <JontheEchidna> coolness | |
| [23:47] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: welcome :) | |
| [23:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so, default plasmoids? | |
| [23:48] <JontheEchidna> right | |
| [23:48] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: congrats. be sure to add your blog to planet, saw some nice screenshots on there | |
| [23:48] <JontheEchidna> I installed Intrepid over the weekend | |
| [23:48] <JontheEchidna> and I saw that kdeplasma-addons was included by default | |
| [23:48] <JontheEchidna> that's cool | |
| [23:49] <JontheEchidna> but I'd like to go beyond the default KDE settings for Intrepid | |
| [23:49] <JontheEchidna> Bring back the best of our customized KDE3 desktop where possible | |
| [23:49] <JontheEchidna> See: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults | |
| [23:50] <JontheEchidna> For that to be fully implemented it would require to also have plasmoid-quickaccess installed by default | |
| [23:50] <smarter> last time I tried plasmoid-quickaccess it did not work at all | |
| [23:51] <JontheEchidna> smarter: plasma has been breaking binary compat in the prerelease cycle pretty consistently | |
| [23:51] <seele> is it just kubuntu or does firefox3 look ugly in all kde4? | |
| [23:51] <JontheEchidna> seele: requires gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to look presentable | |
| [23:51] <Tm_T> seele: you mean "no gtk engine looking good" ? | |
| [23:51] <Tm_T> ^ | |
| [23:51] <Riddell> smarter: seems to work here | |
| [23:52] <seele> i guess? why wasn't that installed as a dependency? | |
| [23:52] <Nightrose> seele: gtk-qt-engine-kde4 (i think) and apachelogger's theme - looks _very_ sweet here | |
| [23:52] <JontheEchidna> seele: at the moment it's quite buggy, especially wiht firefox3 | |
| [23:52] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: and when will gtk-qt-engine-kde4 be finished? | |
| [23:52] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: no clue, I'm not maintaining it :P | |
| [23:53] <Wubbbi> Riddell does right? | |
| [23:53] <yuriy> no | |
| [23:53] <yuriy> Wubbbi: I'll get you the link to the upstream dev site later | |
| [23:53] <JontheEchidna> by the way, free software is never "finished" :P | |
| [23:53] <Wubbbi> yuriy: ok | |
| [23:54] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, any comments on my proposed default desktop? | |
| [23:54] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: I know :/ my kio-sysinfo will never finish too. | |
| [23:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I like it | |
| [23:54] <JontheEchidna> I have concocted a plasma-appletsrc for kubuntu-defaults that implements everything except the quickaccess since it's not default yet | |
| [23:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm curious how useful quickaccess is | |
| [23:55] <yuriy> what is quickaccess exactly? | |
| [23:55] <JontheEchidna> it's sorta like a folderview for the panel | |
| [23:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: any rationale for moving 3 and 4 to the right? | |
| [23:55] <yuriy> is it like quicklauncher or like the system menu? | |
| [23:55] <Nightrose> (/me has 3 and 4 on the right side as well) | |
| [23:55] <Nightrose> not that that matters really | |
| [23:56] <Wubbbi> smarter: ahhh right. I have another tought about kio-sysinfo Icons. The Icons are Oxygen right? right! so isnt it possible to use the system Icons. I mean to make a link, that these programm have to use these Icons, which are installed at the system. | |
| [23:56] <smarter> it's the same thing we used in KDE3 for the little amarok/kopete/konqueror/etc icons on the panel, no? | |
| [23:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that was sorta personal opinion, not a biggie | |
| [23:56] <JontheEchidna> smarter: that's quicklaunch | |
| [23:56] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I think the device notifier should be on the right, it has similar functionality to things in the system tray | |
| [23:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you have a point there | |
| [23:56] <smarter> Wubbbi: I've said to you 3 or 4 times, but chht, we're in the middle of a meeting :P | |
| [23:56] <JontheEchidna> but there was also that thing in kde3 next to the kmenu | |
| [23:56] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: whats about my Teacooker? I Love tea :/ | |
| [23:57] <smarter> Wubbbi: *I've said that | |
| [23:57] <JontheEchidna> that when clicked gave a list of places to go to | |
| [23:57] <JontheEchidna> and the device notifier is sorta simlar to that too | |
| [23:57] <seele> i would also include the desktop icon. the big point of kde4 is the plasma desktop and without a desktop icon you have to minimize all your apps | |
| [23:57] <Wubbbi> smarter: who? what? meeting? what? | |
| [23:57] <smarter> Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | |
| [23:57] <Nightrose> seele: there is also a "show dashboard" plasmoid | |
| [23:58] <JontheEchidna> seele: you mean the show desktop widget? | |
| [23:58] <yuriy> seele: or ctrl-f12 | |
| [23:58] <seele> Nightrose: what does that do? i couldnt figure it out | |
| [23:58] <seele> JontheEchidna: yeah | |
| [23:58] <seele> yuriy: :P | |
| [23:58] <Nightrose> seele: it shows the dashboard on top of the open windows | |
| [23:58] <JontheEchidna> cryptic undiscoverable shortcuts ftw! | |
| [23:58] <JontheEchidna> ctrl alt fnc 6 F11 | |
| [23:58] <Wubbbi> smarter: uhhhhhhhhhhh ... I didn't know ... omg xD | |
| [23:58] <seele> Nightrose: but then its only useful in a panel | |
| [23:59] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: and kate steals half of them | |
| [23:59] <Nightrose> seele: it is better than "minimize windows" imho since it keeps your windows untouched | |
| [23:59] <Nightrose> seele: that is where i have it ;-) | |
| [23:59] <seele> Nightrose: i put it on my desktop and kept on clicking it -- probably why i couldnt figure out what it did | |
| [23:59] <JontheEchidna> so, do we want show dashboard, show desktop, or both? | |
| [23:59] * seele thinks the add widgets dialog needs some tooltips or better descriptions.. | |
| [23:59] <Nightrose> seele: yea probably - give it a try in the pannel | |