| [11:05] <Jane_ux> hi every1 | |
| [11:05] <Jane_ux> How can I lockdown the position of the icons in the desktop? | |
| [11:06] <Jane_ux> I am using gnome | |
| [11:07] <oblenob> I am using KDE | |
| [11:07] <Jane_ux> yep | |
| [11:07] <Jane_ux> i know in kde is possible | |
| [11:07] <Jane_ux> but in gnome??? | |
| [11:07] <oblenob> KDE is awsome | |
| [11:07] <oblenob> I never used gnome | |
| [11:07] <ogra> i dont think thats possible with nautilus ... but you can tell nautilus to not manage the desktop and install something like idesk | |
| [11:08] <oblenob> cause KDE is too awsome to switch to gonome | |
| [11:08] <oblenob> of-course | |
| [11:08] <oblenob> I have never udes linux | |
| [11:08] <oblenob> only KUBUNTU! | |
| [11:08] * ogra wonders what that was now :) | |
| [11:09] <Jane_ux> any usefull idea pls??? | |
| [11:09] <ogra> did you see the line i posted ? | |
| [11:10] <Jane_ux> yep | |
| [11:10] <Jane_ux> so how can i tell nautilus not to manage the desktop? | |
| [11:10] <ogra> install gconf-editor, go to apps/nautilus and look for a key like "show_desktop" (not sure about the right name) | |
| [11:10] <ogra> uncheck that | |
| [11:11] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:11] <ogra> then install idesk (there are some howtos out on the ubuntu wiki how to set it up properly (do a fulltext search for "idesk" on the wiki)) | |
| [11:11] <ogra> and make sure it gets started in your gnome session | |
| [11:12] <ogra> it will replace the nautilus desktop with a fixed raster of icons you can put on it | |
| [11:12] <Jane_ux> ok i ll try that | |
| [11:12] <Jane_ux> thanks very much ogra | |
| [11:15] <Jane_ux> ok, 1st problem | |
| [11:15] <Jane_ux> I am using sabayon too | |
| [11:15] <Jane_ux> if i set the nautilus to dont show_desktop | |
| [11:16] <Jane_ux> i guess sabayon will av problems | |
| [11:16] <Jane_ux> ??!! | |
| [11:16] <ogra> no, i dont think so | |
| [11:16] <ogra> sabayon just makes a profile out of the gconf keys you set | |
| [11:16] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:17] <Jane_ux> the gconf-editor keys are mandatories??? | |
| [11:17] <Jane_ux> or i must change it for every user?? | |
| [11:17] <Jane_ux> or i must executed it as sudo? | |
| [11:18] <ogra> well, if you run gconf-editor through sudo, set a key, right click on it, you have points like "set as default" and "make mandatory" ... set both of these and it will work systemwide | |
| [11:18] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:20] <Jane_ux> just to be sure, idesk allows to lock the icons position?? | |
| [11:21] <ogra> it has a fixed table | |
| [11:21] <ogra> like a raster on your desktop ... you can put icons into that raster ad they are not movable by the user | |
| [11:21] <Jane_ux> ok, i ll try it | |
| [11:21] <Jane_ux> i let u know how is it going | |
| [11:22] <Jane_ux> thanks very much | |
| [11:22] <ogra> :) | |
| [11:24] <Jane_ux> iam reading idesk wiki | |
| [11:24] <Jane_ux> the thing is i want to make a public pc, like a kiosk | |
| [11:25] <Jane_ux> do u know if is there any application to do it | |
| [11:25] <Jane_ux> it is better to use kdm?? | |
| [11:25] <Jane_ux> kde? | |
| [11:27] <ogra> well, i have not much experience with KDE so i might be the wrong person to ask :) | |
| [11:27] <Jane_ux> in gnome im locking down everything manually, using sabayon, pessulus... | |
| [11:27] <Jane_ux> do you know any other application to manage the kiosk in gnome | |
| [11:27] <ogra> well, that wont be muc different with KDE, you wil have to use kiosktool like sabayon and do the lockdown there i think | |
| [11:28] <ogra> do you run that setup through ltsp ? | |
| [11:28] <Jane_ux> yep | |
| [11:29] <Jane_ux> i hope it ll work fine | |
| [11:30] <ogra> there is a doc in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation (not really ubuntu (debian added that) but i can tell you the differences) tha describes how to change the thin client image to have a local desktop running with autologin | |
| [11:31] <ogra> its similar to what we do in ubuntu with the --kiosk switch to ltsp-build-client, but adds a ful desktop instead of runing firefox locally | |
| [11:31] <ogra> (whic is what our kiosk plugin does) | |
| [11:32] <Jane_ux> ok, really usefull, i ll have a look :) | |
| [11:32] <ogra> you will still have to do the lockdown manually though but only have to care for that one image | |
| [11:33] <ogra> and you need slightly more beefy clients since they run a ful desktop | |
| [11:33] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:33] <ogra> (stndard ltsp ony runs X and dm the ltsp display manager) | |
| [11:33] <Jane_ux> but i ll try first to make the client run everything remotely | |
| [11:33] <ogra> *ldm | |
| [11:34] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:34] <Jane_ux> do u think | |
| [11:34] <Jane_ux> if i configure first the host computer with all the set up and lock donw things | |
| [11:34] <Jane_ux> and then i create the ltsp image, the clients will av the same configuration as the host | |
| [11:35] <Jane_ux> or i av to lock down everything again in the clients image?? | |
| [11:35] <ogra> if you do this workstation thing from the doc above you wil have to do it again in the image | |
| [11:36] <ogra> if you use ltsp the standard way the changes you make to the server desktop will just apply | |
| [11:36] <Jane_ux> ouuug | |
| [11:36] <Jane_ux> ahhh nice to read d second line :) | |
| [11:37] <ogra> :) | |
| [11:37] <Jane_ux> i ll use d ltsp way | |
| [11:37] <Jane_ux> thanks again | |
| [11:37] <Jane_ux> anyway | |
| [11:37] <Jane_ux> where are you from?? | |
| [11:37] <ogra> germany | |
| [11:37] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:38] <Jane_ux> im spanish but i live in uk, london | |
| [11:38] <ogra> ah, nice | |
| [11:38] <Jane_ux> ok, i am with d idesk thing now | |
| [11:39] <Jane_ux> do u work for ubuntu?? | |
| [11:39] <ogra> yep | |
| [11:40] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:40] <Jane_ux> and r u here every day?? | |
| [11:40] <ogra> yep ... usually | |
| [11:41] <Jane_ux> nice :) | |
| [11:41] <Jane_ux> its nice to know that here some1 can answer ur questions | |
| [11:41] <Jane_ux> usefully | |
| [11:41] <Jane_ux> :) | |
| [11:42] <ogra> well, i'm not alone there are 25 other people apart from us two here ... most/many of the cn help even if i'm not around ;) | |
| [11:42] <Jane_ux> kooool | |
| [11:42] <ogra> but i'm probably the best resource though ... | |
| [11:43] <Jane_ux> lol :) | |
| [11:43] <ogra> <-- creator/maintainer of edubuntu ... and coder of the most parts of ltsp5 | |
| [11:43] <Jane_ux> ok in september my company will need an edubuntu/ltsp consultant | |
| [11:43] <Jane_ux> i ll recomend u.. :) | |
| [11:44] <Jane_ux> would u be interested?? | |
| [11:44] <ogra> heh, i sadly have a ton of other duties, but canonical offers services, i bet we can do something about that :) | |
| [11:44] <Jane_ux> :) u busy boy | |
| [11:44] <ogra> hehe :) | |
| [11:44] <Jane_ux> anyway, we keep in touch | |
| [11:45] <Jane_ux> and any quest i av, i ll contact u straigth away | |
| [11:45] <Jane_ux> so b ready... lol | |
| [11:45] <ogra> we're currently working with intel to get an edubuntu image going on their classmate PC, that eats most of my time | |
| [11:46] <Jane_ux> ok so u prefer big companies, i see | |
| [11:46] <Jane_ux> :) | |
| [11:46] <Jane_ux> anyway, nice to see that big companies as intel are working deeply with open source | |
| [11:46] <ogra> nah, i'm just a minion of the canonical management :) i do what they tell me :) | |
| [11:46] <Jane_ux> :) | |
| [11:47] <Jane_ux> are you allways ogra?? | |
| [11:47] <Jane_ux> or are there more ogra??? | |
| [11:47] * ogra looks in the mirror ... | |
| [11:48] <Jane_ux> .. | |
| [11:48] <ogra> looks like it changed slightly the last 38 years .. but most of the time i feel like ogra, yes :) | |
| [11:48] <Jane_ux> :) | |
| [11:48] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:48] <Jane_ux> so we keep in touch | |
| [11:48] <ogra> ... and sometimes it feels like there are more ... :) | |
| [11:48] <ogra> sure :) | |
| [11:49] <Jane_ux> anyway I am working for a tiny spanish company | |
| [11:49] <Jane_ux> we implement client server arquitectures, and recently statr workin with ltsp | |
| [11:49] <Jane_ux> nice to see there is good support | |
| [11:49] <ogra> cool | |
| [11:50] <Jane_ux> ok come on | |
| [11:50] <ogra> we're having a good partnership with guadalinex going | |
| [11:50] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:50] <ogra> i was in seville quite often the last years | |
| [11:50] <Jane_ux> kool | |
| [11:50] <Jane_ux> i live in north spain | |
| [11:51] <Jane_ux> but been in seville few times | |
| [11:51] <Jane_ux> nice place | |
| [11:51] <Jane_ux> okk come on | |
| [11:51] <Jane_ux> lets back to work | |
| [11:51] <Jane_ux> :) | |
| [11:53] <Jane_ux> heyyy | |
| [11:53] <Jane_ux> idesk av not a GUI isnt it? | |
| [11:54] <ogra> for configuration ? no i dont think so | |
| [11:55] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:55] <ogra> i think the wiki describes how to configure it ... | |
| [11:55] <Jane_ux> yep, really self explanatory, really complete, i am aving a read | |
| [11:56] <Jane_ux> but isnt there any other method to lock d icons, in a more straight way | |
| [11:56] <ogra> sadly nautilus is missing that | |
| [11:56] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [11:57] <Jane_ux> i ll use idesk then, thanks for ur time | |
| [11:57] <Jane_ux> cya around | |
| [11:57] <ogra> ciao :) | |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | |
| [12:13] <ogra> RichEd, meet Jane_ux :) | |
| [12:14] <ogra> Jane_ux, RichEd is our educational programme manager at canonical | |
| [12:14] <Jane_ux> heyyy | |
| [12:14] <Jane_ux> niceeee | |
| [12:14] <Jane_ux> hi riched | |
| [12:14] <RichEd> hi Jane_ux | |
| [12:14] <RichEd> hi ogra :) | |
| [12:14] <Jane_ux> heyy | |
| [12:15] <ogra> if you need support, partnership or other stuff ralted to educational means, he is the person to talk to | |
| [12:15] <ogra> *related | |
| [12:15] <Jane_ux> ok nice to know that | |
| [12:15] <Jane_ux> i writte it down :) | |
| [12:15] <RichEd> where are you involved Jane_ux ? | |
| [12:16] <Jane_ux> we have a company, small one, which implement client server architectures | |
| [12:16] <Jane_ux> and as i told to ogra, we have started recently to work with ltsp | |
| [12:16] <Jane_ux> and ubuntu | |
| [12:17] <Jane_ux> heyyy ogra, i cannot uncheck the show_desktop key, even as sudo | |
| [12:17] <Jane_ux> should i change any permission??? | |
| [12:17] <ogra> do you try that in sabayon ? | |
| [12:18] <Jane_ux> nope | |
| [12:18] <ogra> hmm | |
| [12:18] <ogra> strange, it should just work | |
| [12:18] <Jane_ux> but i ll try it | |
| [12:18] <RichEd> do you have education clients Jane_ux | |
| [12:18] <Jane_ux> it says: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path | |
| [12:18] <Jane_ux> not really education, though we work with edubuntu too | |
| [12:19] <ogra> yu are at /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ? | |
| [12:19] <Jane_ux> we approach companies to implement ltsp machines | |
| [12:19] <Jane_ux> yep | |
| [12:19] <ogra> hmm, works fine here | |
| [12:20] <ogra> did you make anything readonly or did you lock down anything with pessulus that could cause that ? | |
| [12:20] <Jane_ux> okok | |
| [12:21] <Jane_ux> i guess so | |
| [12:21] <Jane_ux> the file access permissions in desktop as set to --- | |
| [12:22] <Jane_ux> may they be read and write??? | |
| [12:22] <ogra> they should, yes | |
| [12:24] <Jane_ux> omg, i cannot change the permissions | |
| [12:24] <Jane_ux> it come back to --- | |
| [12:31] <Jane_ux> dont know wats happend | |
| [12:31] <Jane_ux> folder permission in desktop are "create and delete files" | |
| [12:32] <Jane_ux> i can change all the keys except show_desktop | |
| [12:34] <Jane_ux> ok, i can uncheck it as a normal user, but not with sudo | |
| [12:35] <Jane_ux> heyy ogra, can u uncheck it as sudo?? | |
| [12:35] <ogra> yes, thats what i tries | |
| [12:35] <ogra> *tried | |
| [12:36] <ogra> i suspect that either sabayon or a pessulussetting is responsible for you not being able to | |
| [12:36] <Jane_ux> yep i guess so, i ll av a look, thanks | |
| [12:36] <Jane_ux> now at least is uncheck it for my user | |
| [12:37] <Jane_ux> i set up idesk correctly | |
| [12:37] <Jane_ux> u said i av to tell the comp to make idesk control the desktop, how can i do that | |
| [12:38] <ogra> system->preferences->sessions | |
| [12:38] <ogra> add a new startup program | |
| [12:39] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [12:39] <Jane_ux> and command idesk, isnt it? | |
| [12:41] <ogra> i think so | |
| [12:41] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [12:41] <Jane_ux> last question | |
| [12:41] <Jane_ux> to lock the drag option | |
| [12:42] <Jane_ux> i just av to remove the line " Drag: left hold" | |
| [12:42] <Jane_ux> from .ideskrc??? | |
| [12:43] <Jane_ux> never mind | |
| [12:43] <Jane_ux> i ll try that anyway | |
| [12:43] <Jane_ux> thanks again | |
| [12:58] <Jane_ux> :( | |
| [12:58] <Jane_ux> nothing | |
| [12:59] <Jane_ux> i dont know why i cant uncheck the show_desktop | |
| [12:59] <Jane_ux> i tried everything | |
| [12:59] <Jane_ux> i misconfigured something | |
| [12:59] <Jane_ux> i dont know what | |
| [12:59] <ogra> very likely | |
| [13:00] * ogra doesnt know what either | |
| [13:00] <Jane_ux> any idea | |
| [13:00] <ogra> not really | |
| [13:00] <ogra> did you set any filesystem permissions manually on the commandline ? | |
| [13:00] <Jane_ux> maybe if sabayon is installed its overwrite the permissions?? | |
| [13:00] <Jane_ux> from the commandline nop | |
| [13:00] <ogra> hmm, that might be, not sure | |
| [13:00] <Jane_ux> from nautilus yes, yesterday | |
| [13:01] <Jane_ux> but i changed everything again to the normal statate | |
| [13:01] <Jane_ux> do you have sabayon installed?? | |
| [13:03] <ogra> nope | |
| [13:04] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [13:04] <Jane_ux> mayb its that | |
| [13:22] <Jane_ux> ok, im still lookin for show_desktop permissions | |
| [13:22] <Jane_ux> ogra, do you know where the show_desktop permissions are?? | |
| [13:22] <Jane_ux> i tried everythin | |
| [13:23] <Jane_ux> not luck | |
| [14:14] <Jane_ux> hiya | |
| [14:15] <Jane_ux> ogra are you there?? | |
| [14:20] <Jane_ux> any1 | |
| [14:21] <Jane_ux> I cant change the gconf key app>nautilus>preferences>show_desktop | |
| [14:21] <Jane_ux> its says "This key is not writable" | |
| [14:21] <Jane_ux> any idea?? iam geting crazy with that | |
| [14:29] <ogra> Jane_ux, not really, sorry | |
| [14:29] <Jane_ux> ok | |
| [14:30] <Jane_ux> is there anyway to reset the system permissions to default?? | |
| [21:06] <edgardo> algun docente por aqui? | |
| === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo | |