| [00:39] <asac> ha ... wikipedia uses ubuntu screenshot for firefox 3 :) | |
| [00:39] <asac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox | |
| [00:49] <Admiral_Chicago> nice | |
| [01:31] <fta> armin76, http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2008/05/23/firefox-3-utf-8-support-in-location-bar/ | |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | |
| [10:38] <asac> james_w: hey :) | |
| [10:39] <asac> i face a moderate tricky issue :) ... we have a debian/ only tree ... now i would like to merge that one on top of a full source upstream thing | |
| [10:39] <asac> technically that should work, but i think that bzr complains | |
| [10:39] <asac> technically ... e.g. just applying all commits on top of the upstream tree | |
| [10:39] <asac> james_w: any idea? | |
| [10:40] <asac> :) | |
| [10:43] <james_w> do you want to keep merging in future, or are you going to throw the debian/ only branch away after that? | |
| [10:46] <asac> james_w: is there an option for merging in future? | |
| [10:47] <james_w> actually, the way I would think of works in both cases I think | |
| [10:47] <james_w> merging in the future has a few issues I think, but it works. | |
| [10:48] <asac> james_w: my ears are wide open :) | |
| [10:48] <asac> give me insight! | |
| [10:48] <james_w> actually, do you version the "debian/" directory, or just it's contents? | |
| [10:48] * asac looking | |
| [10:49] <asac> james_w: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/experimental/networkmanager | |
| [10:49] <asac> so debian is inside | |
| [10:49] <james_w> ah, so a plain merge should do what you want | |
| [10:49] <asac> (given that i migrate that branch to bzr) | |
| [10:50] <asac> james_w: can i do this in both directions? | |
| [10:50] <james_w> as the branches have no history in common then you will need to specify an explicit "merge base", which is the revision to use as a common ancestor. | |
| [10:50] <asac> e.g. merge upstream on debian ... or theother way around? | |
| [10:50] <asac> james_w: which revision is that? | |
| [10:50] <asac> 0? | |
| [10:50] <james_w> yup, you use 0, or rather 1. | |
| [10:51] <james_w> or rather 0, :-) | |
| [10:51] <asac> i am always confused ;) ... i know i get the initial checkin by bzr diff -c1 | |
| [10:51] <james_w> you use "merge -r 0..-1" | |
| [10:51] <asac> what kind of hack is that? | |
| [10:51] <asac> -1 ;) | |
| [10:51] <james_w> -1 means that last revision | |
| [10:51] <asac> ok so HEAD :) | |
| [10:52] <james_w> I'm not sure how it will do at two way merging. | |
| [10:53] <asac> james_w: is there alreay a way that bzr understands svn branching? | |
| [10:53] <asac> most likely not i guess | |
| [10:53] <james_w> you should be able to merge back in to the pkg-utopia one as it's tip revision is in the history of the resulting branch. | |
| [10:54] <asac> james_w: oh merge back into pkg-utopia ... hmm | |
| [10:54] <james_w> bzr-svn does know something about svn branches, but I don't know how reliable it is. | |
| [10:54] <asac> that would be great | |
| [10:54] <james_w> the merge would pull in all of the upstream code though. | |
| [10:54] <asac> james_w: yeah obviously | |
| [10:55] <james_w> I'm just guessing, but if you merge back, and then revert everything except debian/ before committing you will be able to merge debian/ backwards and forwards from then on, but I'm not sure. | |
| [10:56] <asac> james_w: ok. i think he would be more open to this if he sees all his commits in launchpad ... so i guess i should branch that svn version and then merge the full upstream tree on top of that, right? | |
| [10:56] <asac> (what a shame that launchpad doesnt show nested revisions) | |
| [10:57] <james_w> well, you could stick a copy of the pkg-utopia branch there as a mirror to show all the revisions. | |
| [10:58] <james_w> but that does sound reasonable. | |
| [10:58] <asac> thanks. ill see what i can do :) | |
| [10:58] <asac> lets hope that debian bzr is up-to-date enough to not stop the show :) | |
| [10:59] <asac> james_w: oh ... if i do merge -r 0..-1 ... wont all the subrevision be lost? | |
| [10:59] <asac> at least picking smal ranges always eliminated the subrevisions for me | |
| [10:59] <asac> e.g. bzr merge -r 2..5 => just one flat commit | |
| [11:00] <james_w> actually, I'm not sure. I thought it didn't, but maybe it does consider it a cherrypick. | |
| [11:01] <asac> james_w: let me test :) | |
| [11:01] <asac> first setup a mirror :) | |
| [11:03] <asac> ok ... so one cannot setup a mirrored branch from svn ... thats for sure | |
| [11:04] <asac> i guess i need a series | |
| [11:04] <asac> darn ... ill just do it manually | |
| [11:16] <asac> james_w: help :) | |
| [11:16] <asac> bzr merge -r0..-1 ../networkmanager.debian.svn/ | |
| [11:16] <asac> WARNING: the 'deb822' top-level module is *DEPRECATED*, please use 'debian_bundle.deb822' | |
| [11:16] <asac> bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitPackRepository('file:///tmp/network-manager/.bzr/repository/') is not compatible with repository KnitPackRepository('file:///tmp/networkmanager.debian.svn/.bzr/repository/') | |
| [11:16] <asac> /tmp/network-manager/ == lp:network-manager | |
| [11:16] <james_w> ah, bzr-svn creates rich-root-pack, your other branch is probably just pack-0.92 | |
| [11:17] <james_w> you will need to "upgrade --rich-root-pack" your other branch | |
| [11:17] <asac> ok ... so merge upstream on top of debian? | |
| [11:17] <asac> james_w: err | |
| [11:17] <asac> wait a second. both are svn branches | |
| [11:17] <asac> e.g. lp:network-manager == upstream svn | |
| [11:17] <asac> the other is the pkg-utopia thing | |
| [11:17] <james_w> but upstream is done by launchpad? | |
| [11:17] <asac> james_w: yes | |
| [11:18] <james_w> they don't use bzr-svn | |
| [11:18] <asac> can i do it the way they do it? :) | |
| [11:19] <asac> darn ... so i have to register a series ... and they will refuse to mirror that experimental branch ... i already see what is coming ;) | |
| [11:20] <asac> james_w: any idea if their sync tool is public? | |
| [11:21] <james_w> asac: no idea, sorry | |
| [11:21] <james_w> you might want to jump in to #launchpad to see about mirroring that branch | |
| [11:21] <asac> yeah ... just wanted to jump into #bzrlp :) | |
| [11:21] <asac> on canonical irc ... but lets try open means first | |
| [11:58] <asac> james_w: good. here i have another nifty topic :) ... i have upstream branch + topic branch + packaging branch (based on upstream branch) ... now i would like something like ./debian/rules bzr-topics-update :) | |
| [11:58] <asac> is there a cdbs helper already for something like this? | |
| [11:58] <asac> given that we have a patchsystem that is | |
| [11:59] <james_w> so you want to take the diff from upstream->topic and drop it in to debian/patches? | |
| [11:59] <asac> james_w: yeah. i want to regularly update a patch (and create it initially, but that can be done manually) | |
| [11:59] <james_w> I don't know of anything existing. | |
| [12:01] <asac> james_w: ok ... i think a cdbs helper that just looks at debian/bzr.topics with syntax: <patchname> <topicbranchref> would be good here. | |
| [12:02] <james_w> that could work | |
| [12:02] <asac> james_w: hmm but how to figure which upstream branch revision to use for the diff? | |
| [12:03] <asac> james_w: i think this boils down to a generic commadn that allows you to diff current head against last merged head :) | |
| [12:03] <asac> like bzr diff -r2772..2752.1.435 | |
| [12:04] <asac> e.g. 2772 == current head of topic brnach | |
| [12:04] <asac> 2752.1.435 == revision of latest merge i see in bzr log :) | |
| [12:04] <asac> given that we assume that thats an upstream branch :( | |
| [12:04] <asac> ok ... too hard task i guess for me. next topic ;) | |
| [15:31] <p3sho> Hi there! | |
| [15:31] <p3sho> is there any way to make Thunderbird not notify me about newly arrived Junk mail? | |
| [16:09] <asac> p3sho: good question. i dont think that such a feature exists | |
| [16:09] <asac> except if you say "delete junk immediatly" (maybe?) | |
| [16:35] <[reed]> asac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukasblakk/2588016297/ | |
| [16:35] <[reed]> :P | |
| [16:40] <asac> [reed]: hihi | |
| === rzr is now known as RzR | |
| [16:49] <RzR> asac: hi , sorry w/ the delay I was busy w/ tuxguitar-1.0 | |
| [17:05] <RzR> asac: is it ok now ? | |
| [17:09] <asac> RzR: you still didnt sync with the ubuntu-dev branch | |
| [17:09] <RzR> I have to push it right | |
| [17:10] <asac> RzR: push what? | |
| [17:10] <RzR> hum I did it | |
| [17:11] <RzR> ok | |
| [17:11] <RzR> I missed something | |
| [17:11] <asac> RzR: you didnt merge it | |
| [17:11] <RzR> yesterday you said me to drop my branch | |
| [17:11] <asac> RzR: yeah | |
| [17:11] <asac> you didnt do that | |
| [17:11] <RzR> but I dont undestand why | |
| [17:11] <RzR> If I merge it | |
| [17:11] <RzR> it should be ok ? | |
| [17:11] <asac> not really | |
| [17:11] <RzR> I just merged to ubuntu-dev | |
| [17:12] <RzR> from | |
| [17:12] <RzR> not to | |
| [17:13] <RzR> if i dont drop it, it will be rejected then ? since there is a branch cross ? | |
| [17:14] <asac> no ... i just ask you to drop your branch so we dont have merges of merges and so on | |
| [17:14] <RzR> Ok I blindly trust you :) | |
| [17:20] <RzR> asac: ok I dropped my branch I'll create it again later i have to go | |
| [18:53] <fta> asac, i've implemented a generic build-system for xul applications | |
| [18:54] <fta> asac, i've tested it with fennec, seems ok: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec.png | |
| [19:04] <fta> asac, the question is now, should we patch xulrunner so that xul apps stop shipping a full copy of xulrunner, like our firefox | |
| [19:06] <asac> fta: how do you want to patch xulrunner? | |
| [19:08] <fta> see what is specific for ff, and make it generic for all xul apps | |
| [19:08] <asac> not sure what you mean :) how did you solve the issues i mentioned? | |
| [19:09] <fta> depends if we want xulapps to be standalone or depends on xulrunner | |
| [19:10] <fta> now, i can build fennec just with: --with-libxul-sdk=$(DEBIAN_XUL_DEV) --enable-application=mobile without any patch | |
| [19:11] <fta> so i assume i can do it with prism too. and try songbird too | |
| [19:11] <asac> fta: so how is the build system maintained? | |
| [19:12] <asac> shipped in xulrunner-1.9-dev and how applied? | |
| [19:13] <fta> applied by mozilla-devscripts hooks | |
| [19:13] <fta> (cdbs hooks provided by mozilla-devscripts) | |
| [19:17] <asac> fta: is the build system derived from upstream one? | |
| [19:19] <fta> exact copy | |
| [19:22] <asac> so how would the xulrunner patch look like? | |
| [19:31] <asac> bug 236613 | |
| [19:31] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 236613 in firefox-3.0 "firefox 3 rc with prism extension crashes when download a file." [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236613 | |
| [19:32] <asac> now also claims that our prism package crushes :) | |
| [19:33] <fta> prism extension = upstream xpi, not our package | |
| [19:34] <asac> fta: no read the last comment | |
| [19:34] <asac> he claims that our package crushes system :) | |
| [19:34] <RzR> asac: Ok I am back, I created the branch with the same name again, but it seems to be stuck on scan : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu | |
| [19:36] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15472047/gdb-firefox-3.0.txt | |
| [19:36] <fta> asac, donno, i'm using prism from hardy and intrepid every day, no problem | |
| [19:36] <asac> I'd say driver issue | |
| [19:36] <asac> dropping buggy_repeat caused instability for some | |
| [19:37] <asac> bug 214817 | |
| [19:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 214817 in firefox-3.0 "When I close a tab that has a Gmail page loaded, firefox crashes" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214817 | |
| [19:54] <RzR> Jazzva: hi, are you still on jabbin? | |
| [19:56] <fta> asac, as expected, the build system doesn't provide a make install target | |
| [19:58] <Jazzva> RzR: Planning to do it after exams... Would you like to give it a try? | |
| [19:58] <RzR> sure | |
| [19:59] <RzR> well i am bit buzy now | |
| [19:59] <RzR> but I'll find you a few time for you | |
| [20:01] <Jazzva> Well, go ahead if you want :). Just give me a notice if you start packaging it | |
| [20:01] <Jazzva> RzR ^ | |
| [20:01] <RzR> I'll do this On debian side | |
| [20:02] <RzR> If I have to do something on jabbin | |
| [20:06] <RzR> Jazzva: can I have a look at your .dsc ? | |
| [20:08] <Jazzva> RzR: For Jabbin? I don't have it. I started doing it last year, then it got lost when I formatted the drive. I haven't been working on it since then... | |
| [20:08] <RzR> ok | |
| [20:09] <RzR> if you can unassign yourself , I'll may take it If I am too bored ;) | |
| [20:09] <RzR> BTW, as reminder the mozilla metting is this sunday , I was about to forget it | |
| [20:10] <Jazzva> RzR: Can't you just reassign it if you decide to do it ;)? | |
| [20:10] <RzR> ok | |
| [20:10] <Jazzva> I would like to do it, if you don't start working on it. I would ask you before, of course... | |
| [20:11] <RzR> are there good alternatives to it ? | |
| [20:12] <Jazzva> Pidgin, if it would implement voice talk :)... | |
| [20:12] <RzR> there is a jiggle plugin | |
| [20:12] <RzR> under developpement at least | |
| [20:14] <Jazzva> Really? Cool. Didn't know that... | |
| [20:28] <asac> fta: shame ;) | |
| [20:29] <asac> fta: but well ... not a bug problem i guess ;) | |
| [20:51] <fta> asac, well, it's always the same story.. unix/packages-static | |
| [21:20] <fta> asac, problem is upstream usually doesn't want to maintain that | |
| [21:29] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/21663/ => that's what is produced by default now with just http://paste.ubuntu.com/21664/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/21665/ but i didn't create removed-files and */packages-static | |
| [21:30] <fta> asac, the xul patch i mentioned earlier would be to get rid of the xulrunner dir | |
| [21:36] <fta> [reed], is fennec an active project ? | |
| [21:36] <[reed]> fta: yep, very active | |
| [21:36] <fta> [reed], in hg ? | |
| [21:36] <[reed]> first release is at the end of 2008 | |
| [21:36] <[reed]> yep | |
| [21:37] <fta> [reed], i don't see a lot of commits in there | |
| [21:37] <fta> 10 in a month | |
| [21:38] <[reed]> under mobile-browser? | |
| [21:38] <fta> yes | |
| [21:38] <[reed]> a lot of the work was happening in svn, but then it moved to hg | |
| [21:38] <[reed]> I think people have been busy lately | |
| [21:47] <fta> [reed], i expected to see that http://dougt.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/firefox-mobile-ui-proposal-aza-style/ | |
| [21:47] <[reed]> dunno | |
| [21:47] <[reed]> ask #mobile on moznet | |
| [21:47] <[reed]> I haven't been paying attention | |
| [21:48] <fta> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Lesser_panda_standing.jpg | |
| [22:07] <RzR> asac: my branch is now resurected :) | |
| [22:07] <fta> [reed], if you're looking for something to watch, try The Middleman | |
| [22:07] <[reed]> k | |
| [22:07] <[reed]> thanks | |
| [22:08] <fta> watching the pilot, it's funny | |
| [22:36] <asac> RzR: ok. i still dont get why you claim that it fixes the crash you are closing without even being able to reproduce ;) | |
| [22:36] <asac> but i will drop that line from changelog | |
| [22:37] <RzR> asac: because this comment it not related to the original crash | |
| [22:38] <RzR> the guy talk about the whitelist option | |
| [22:39] <RzR> I am pretty sure even without flashblock the swf plugin crash his browser | |
| [22:39] <asac> ok. but then why close the bug in flashblock upload? | |
| [22:40] <Jazzva> asac: Just a question about merging from debian... Should we get debian version, resolve the conflicts, then add that to extensions .ubuntu branch? | |
| [22:40] <RzR> because this version is obsolete | |
| [22:40] <Jazzva> Since I'm gonna do few of them... | |
| [22:40] <RzR> so all its bug should be closed soon or later | |
| [22:41] <RzR> well I understand what you mean asac | |
| [22:42] <asac> yep | |
| [22:42] <asac> but not in upload | |
| [22:42] <RzR> the main reason I decided to close it , it was because this bug was a but confusing, I my last comment I invited them to open new bug on upcoming version | |
| [22:42] <asac> ill upload this now to intrepid | |
| [22:42] <RzR> ok | |
| [22:42] <asac> RzR: i agree that this bug should be closed. but not fixreleased in upload ... set it to invalid if the user cannot provide the required info anymore | |
| [22:43] <RzR> this makes sense | |
| [22:43] <RzR> I was too lazy | |
| [22:44] <RzR> shame on me :) | |
| [22:45] <RzR> anyway thanks for all asac , excuse me about all the process I am discovering ubuntu workflow everyday | |
| [22:45] <fta> asac, just got the permission from google to use their logos for prism webapps | |
| [22:45] <RzR> now bedtime ... I'll be back for the meeting | |
| === RzR is now known as rZr | |
| [22:48] <asac> fta: permission granted to who? | |
| [22:49] <fta> to redistribute in ubuntu | |
| [22:49] <asac> hard to say if we want that | |
| [22:49] <asac> ill ask | |
| [22:50] <fta> that's what i've asked to google. permission to ship google icons within prism packages shipped in ubuntu | |
| [22:50] <asac> fta: if we want to claim an exception we need permission to distribute it in ubuntu and derivatives | |
| [22:51] <asac> otherwise it has to go to multiverse | |
| [22:52] <asac> but good to know that you retrieved an answer :) | |
| [22:52] <asac> how long did it take? | |
| [22:52] <fta> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:59:14 -0800 | |
| [22:53] <asac> heh | |
| [22:53] <fta> i have no mouse cursor in fennec | |
| [22:54] <fta> am i supposed to run that within something ? | |
| [22:54] <fta> a mobile env ? | |
| [22:54] <asac> i dont think so | |
| [22:54] <asac> but who knows :) | |
| [22:54] <fta> hildon maybe | |
| [22:54] <asac> is there any binary module? | |
| [22:55] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21663/ | |
| [22:57] <asac> i doubt that they want hildon. maybe something else, but as i dont see any special binary components i wouldnt think that thats the case | |
| [22:58] <fta> they ship a debian dir as installer, it contains: fennec.links:/usr/share/applications/hildon/fennec.desktop etc/others-menu/0112_fennec.desktop | |
| [22:59] <fta> and a dbus service | |
| [22:59] <asac> which? | |
| [23:00] <fta> [D-BUS Service] | |
| [23:00] <fta> Name=org.mozilla.fennec | |
| [23:00] <fta> Exec=/usr/local/fennec/fennec | |
| [23:01] <asac> /usr/local/fennec/fennec starts the browser? | |
| [23:01] <asac> (fixed path obviously= | |
| [23:01] <asac> ) | |
| [23:03] <fta> it's their stuff, i didn't use that | |
| [23:04] <asac> they most likely develop for nokia atm | |
| [23:04] <asac> nokia has debian + hildon | |
| [23:04] <asac> but well ... i doubt that this is the problem | |
| [23:04] <fta> well, it was just a test bed for my xul app build system | |
| [23:04] <asac> wonder which window manager nokia uses | |
| [23:04] <asac> maybe matchbox? | |
| [23:05] <asac> fta: yeah. i dont think that we need a package now. we can package it with volunteers during the next open developer week ;) | |
| [23:05] <asac> session "packaging xul apps" :) | |
| [23:06] <asac> fta: try to use xephyr xserver + matchbox window manager | |
| [23:06] <asac> :) | |
| [23:07] <fta> someone asked me (and the ubuntu-mozillateam m-l) how to package a xul app today | |
| [23:08] <asac> fta: yeah ... lets get the build system app ... make it fail safe for beginners | |
| [23:08] <asac> document in wiki and point them to it | |
| [23:08] <asac> fta: mz mailing list? | |
| [23:08] <asac> strange ... didnt get the mail | |
| [23:08] <fta> ubuntu-mozillateam at lists.ubuntu.com | |
| [23:10] <fta> asac, where should i write that in the wiki ? | |
| [23:10] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2008-June/thread.html | |
| [23:10] <asac> the mail did not go through | |
| [23:10] <asac> :) | |
| [23:10] <asac> anyway. | |
| [23:11] <asac> fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/XulApps equiv to Firefox3Extensions | |
| [23:11] <asac> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/XulApps/Packaging with detailed how to | |
| [23:11] <asac> package | |
| [23:11] <fta> seems he wants to package this: http://code.google.com/p/aliwal/ | |
| [23:12] <asac> .dmg | |
| [23:16] <fta> so far, i used the full configure.in, meaning a lot of unnecessary build-deps | |
| [23:16] <fta> of course, each xul app could patch it as it's installed before the patch | |
| [23:17] <asac> not really inspiring :) | |
| [23:17] <fta> ? | |
| [23:17] <asac> to patch configure.in :) | |
| [23:17] <fta> what do you mean ? | |
| [23:17] <fta> yep, you have a better idea ? | |
| [23:17] <asac> wrong word ... not really nice ;) | |
| [23:19] <asac> not sure. i think the problem is the lack of modularization of configure.in | |
| [23:19] <asac> i started to do it once for the enigmail build system ... but back then configure.in was much dirtier than nowadays (though its still a heap of shit :)) | |
| [23:19] <asac> so maybe its worth taking a look | |
| [23:19] <asac> again | |
| [23:20] <asac> but before we are putting any serious work into this, we have to figure if configure.in is not dying soon :) | |
| [23:40] <fta> never read anything about that so far | |
| [23:42] <asac> bug 211212 | |
| [23:42] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 211212 in moblin-ui-framework "Network-manager process hangs after resume from S4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211212 | |