2008/06/10/#xubuntu.txt

[00:00] <LetsGo67> How can I change the amount of workspaces?
[00:01] <steven_> lol
[00:01] <steven_> applications>settings>settings manager>workspaces
[00:02] <steven_> i just asked that
[00:02] <steven_> lol
[00:08] <LetsGo67> Gracias steven_
[00:08] <steven_> no probn
[00:11] <LetsGo67> ubotu
[00:33] <supertanker> Besides the desktop environment, is there much difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu?
[00:41] <TheSheep> supertanker: no, only DE and choice of default apps
[00:41] <supertanker> Ah, thanks
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[02:49] <natj1> does anyone know how to get a wireless router working right in xubuntu or know of a helpful site?
[02:58] <StevenWilliamsen> hey
[02:59] <StevenWilliamsen> what's a good dark theme for xubuntu?
[03:07] <StevenWilliamsen> hey!
[03:12] <natj1> how do i check my ip address and gateway?
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[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> ifconfig
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> open terminal
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> type ifconfig
[03:15] <StevenWilliamsen> maybe iwcongif
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> switch that
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> iqconfig
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> damn!
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> ifconfig and iwconfig
[03:16] <StevenWilliamsen> iw is for wireless i believe
[03:27] <StevenWilliamsen> got it?
[03:30] <natj1> yeah i got it thanks
[03:46] <StevenWilliamsen> anyone know a good dark theme?
[03:55] <StevenWilliamsen> hey guys
[04:51] <nvc> greets
[04:52] <nvc> anyone about?
[05:08] <anom01y> omg
[05:08] <anom01y> the installer cd's for xubuntu and kubuntu suck
[05:08] <anom01y> neither of them work
[05:08] <anom01y> I've tried 3 different versions
[05:09] <anom01y> ubuntu 7.04
[05:09] <anom01y> xubuntu 8.04
[05:09] <anom01y> kubuntu 8.04
[05:09] <anom01y> all of them fail me when I try to install
[05:09] <anom01y> ubuntu fails on kernal installation
[05:09] <anom01y> xubuntu fails me because the laptop its going on only has 64mb ram
[05:10] <anom01y> kubuntu (going on a more powerful computer) fails as when I reboot after installation the computer sits there with a message "mbr fa:"
[05:10] <anom01y> whatever the heck that is
[05:12] <nvc> set the scene here, what're the specs of the machines you're installing to?
[05:12] <nvc> i.e. what RAM & CPU's are in them
[05:12] <anom01y> well the laptop is an old p2 with 64mb ram
[05:12] <anom01y> had win98 on it
[05:12] <anom01y> and the new computer is a core 2 duo 2gb ram
[05:13] <anom01y> Im truing to install kubuntu on the new computer and xubuntu on the slower computer
[05:13] <anom01y> someone told me to get old ubuntu 7.04 and then upgrade to the hardy heron after
[06:04] <burner_> yo yo yo.. people see this?  http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=2307#0.13
[06:22] <StevenWilliamsen> hey guys
[06:22] <StevenWilliamsen> anyone know of a good theme for xfce?
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[09:31] <u007> hi, i forgotten what i did with the panel configuration, my panel is all gone.. :(
[09:32] <u007> even restart doesn't work :(
[09:38] <xbj9000> hi
[09:39] <MementoMori> hi
[09:39] <xbj9000> anyone know why totem /tmp/Flash* works from terminal, but not from a taskbar shortcut? (says no such file)
[09:40] <MementoMori> is there any applet to connect/disconnect pppoe link?
[09:40] <xbj9000> sorry I don't know
[09:41] <MementoMori> xbj9000: maybe the * isnt correctly expanded by the taskbar
[09:41] <MementoMori> xbj9000: I dont have xubuntu right now so I cant test
[09:44] <xbj9000> expanded?
[09:46] <u007> hi, may i know what is the command for running the panel in xfce?
[09:47] <xbj9000> I think it's xfce4-panel
[09:48] <u007> hi xbj9000 thank you :)
[09:48] <u007> it works :)
[09:55] <MementoMori> xbj9000: when you run totem /tmp/Flash* in a shell the shell will expand the Flash* in order to get all the files you want
[09:56] <xbj9000> well I also tried the 'run in terminal' option on the shortcut
[09:57] <MementoMori> so if you have /tmp/Flash01 /tmp/Flash02 the command totem /tmp/Flash* will be "converted" in "totem /tmp/Flash01 /tmp/Flash02"
[09:57] <xbj9000> right
[09:58] <MementoMori> xbj9000: man glob if you want to learn more
[10:02] <jarnos> I can not quit firefox 3 after update even if I am asked to.
[10:03] <xbj9000> MementoMori, could xfce panel be converting the * into something like a %20 ?
[10:04] <jarnos> I tried File > Quit and it disappeared from task list after about a minute. System monitor tells it is sleeping.
[10:05] <xbj9000> nevermind I guess not, with vlc it actually gives a message "Unable to open '/tmp/Flash*'"
[10:05] <jarnos> I guess I'll have to end the process.
[10:05] <xbj9000> not sure jarnos
[10:06] <jarnos> Well, I already did.
[10:06] <jarnos> xbj9000
[10:10] <ath_gr> hi all. i have already installed xubuntu 6.06 in an older celeron@600 with 64 mb ram. the system is running pretty good. now i want to install some games. which is the procedure i have to do? i know links like http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games/ or http://www.getdeb.net/. what do i have to do to install these games on my system?
[10:10] <AlexCONRAD> Hi, during a unattended install (pressed) is it a bad idea to chroot /taget/, patch, make, make modules, make install, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd... ? I have compiled a network driver during auto-install process, and it crashes on reboot. I have made the same manipultations *after* an installation and the driver works fine. Any pointers ?
[10:38] <homebrewcider> aanybody else have problems printing in Xubuntu? I have a canon mp510 that prints all wrong. The stuff on the page is spread out left to right, and goes off te page, and the colours don't line up
[10:39] <ath_gr> any help plz?
[10:40] <Myrtti> homebrewcider: have you asked in #ubuntu?
[10:40] <homebrewcider> no
[10:40] <Myrtti> homebrewcider: printing system in xubuntu and ubuntu are common, so that problem would be the same even in ubuntu
[10:41] <homebrewcider> asking there too
[10:41] <Myrtti> ath_gr: there's lots of games available in add/remove...
[10:41] <Myrtti> add/remove == packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games
[10:54] <MementoMori> is it possible to install xubuntu on a old pentium3 with 64MB of RAM?
[10:55] <ablomen> MementoMori, yep its possible
[10:55] <ablomen> you might wanna add some ram though
[10:55] <ablomen> but anywho, if you use the alternate installation cd it should be no problem
[10:55] <MementoMori> ablomen: can I use the graphical installation cd?
[10:55] <ablomen> no that needs at leas 196mb of ram (or something like that)
[10:56] <ablomen> but the alternate install cd is just as easy, and faster
[10:57] <MementoMori> I need the graphical one because I have to know first if my friend like it
[10:57] <ablomen> then you need to add at least 128mb of ram extra
[10:57] <ablomen> or go for something like puppy linux
[10:58] <MementoMori> does puppy use deb?
[10:58] <ablomen> nope
[10:59] <MementoMori> what does it use?
[10:59] <ablomen> they have theyr own package manager
[11:01] <MementoMori> so another different from deb and rpm.... wow :(
[11:01] <u007> hi, is it possible to set keyboard shortcut command in xfce?
[11:01] <MementoMori> anyway i'm reading it's faq. I think it's ot puppy here ;)
[11:01] <ablomen> u007, settings->settings manager->keyboard->shortcuts
[11:02] <u007> ablomen, thank you :D
[11:02] <ablomen> it is a pretty good system.. for old computers and basic computing
[11:02] <ablomen> u007, np :)
[11:03] <u007> ablomen, yeah, i just switched from the fancy ubuntu
[11:03] <ablomen> *second to last line was about puppy btw, just to be clear ;)
[11:04] <ablomen> u007, how your liking it?
[11:04] <u007> its great! :D so much faster
[11:04] <u007> although no more fancy compiz cube :)
[11:05] <u007> everything just fast :)
[11:05] <ablomen> you can use compiz with xfce :)
[11:05] <u007> really?
[11:05] <ablomen> yep no problem
[11:05] <u007> okay.. so far, i wasn't able to do so..
[11:06] <ablomen> though xfce has real transparancy build in already, at least for me thats enough eyecandy :)
[11:06] <u007> aa.. okay :D
[11:06] <ablomen> (in settings manager, look for window manager tweaks -> compositor)
[11:07] <u007> okay :D thank you :)
[11:07] <ablomen> :)
[11:09] <u007> ablomen: i can't find the tweak :)
[11:10] <ablomen> no? its the second to last icon in the xfce settings manager
[11:10] <ablomen> and then the last tab
[11:10] <u007> okay :D
[11:10] <u007> ohhh. i saw it
[11:10] <u007> thanks :)
[11:11] <ablomen> hehe np :)
[11:13] <u007> ablomen, do you know how to get ride of orage and use evolution calendar instead?
[11:13] <u007> rid i meant
[11:14] <ablomen> ehm you can stop orange from autostarting in the autostarted applications window (also in xfce settings manager)
[11:14] <ablomen> oh wait no you cant
[11:15] <ablomen> in the orange preferences (in settings manager) in the second tab you can let it start hidden
[11:15] <u007> okay
[11:15] <u007> thank you :)
[11:15] <ablomen> how to use the evolution calender i dunno
[11:15] <u007> its okay, i will try :)
[11:16] <u007> i changed my session from ubuntu, and installed xubuntu-desktop :)
[11:18] <Myrtti> install the xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[11:18] <Myrtti> then you can use gnome applets, like the gnome clock applet with the calendar
[11:19] <u007> ohh.. cool :)
[11:19] <u007> Myrtti, thanks :)
[11:21] <u007> haha.. i got my Wanda back :D
[11:22] <AlexCONRAD> Hi, during a unattended install (pressed auto-install) I have compiled a network driver. Is it a bad idea to chroot /taget/, patch, make, make modules, make install, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd... ? The driver crashes on reboot. I have made the same manipultations *after* an installation and the driver works fine. Any pointers ?
[11:24] <u007> and Eyes :d
[11:24] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, heh it doesnt get any easyer for ya huh
[11:25] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: nop ...
[11:25] <AlexCONRAD> I'm stuck with that driver I compiled
[11:26] <ablomen> im sertainly no expert, but cant you compile it as a module so you can just create a deb package? (like the nvidia driver for example)
[11:26] <AlexCONRAD> I'd like to know if it makes any difference of compiling a driver during the intall process or after the install is done and the installed system is booted
[11:39] <u007> xfce seems to remember well the window sizes and position :D its better than the ubuntu version...
[12:06] <MrNaz> is there any reason not to use xubuntu as a server OS ?
[12:25] <ablomen> MrNaz, yes, a server doesnt need a gui :)
[12:34] <MrNaz> ablomen aside from that heh
[12:34] <ablomen> ubuntu server has a specialised kernel
[12:34] <MrNaz> but yea you're right... i should be using debian for servers
[12:34] <MrNaz> ablomen it does?
[12:34] <ablomen> yeah
[12:34] <MrNaz> what's so special about it?
[12:34] <ablomen> dunno what the big difference is
[12:34] <ablomen> but it does have one :P
[12:34] <MrNaz> haha
[12:34] <ablomen> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition :)
[12:35] <ablomen> oh and http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel << the diferences between desktop kernel and server kernel
[12:37] <ablomen> anyway, the server edition always was stable for me, no real difference from using debian (i use both)
[12:37] <ablomen> the software is just a bit more updated
[12:38] <ablomen> oh and the server editions are released once every 1,5 years if im correct, and the debian editions are released once every... century?
[12:40] <ablomen> *debian releases
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[13:22] <kripz> is there a lamp package that requires no installation and can runs off usb?
[13:31] <ablomen> kripz, for xubuntu? not readely available
[13:32] <kripz> ablomen, what do you mean readily available
[13:32] <ablomen> well you can compile webservers etc to have all files in a directory that you could put on a usb stick
[13:33] <ablomen> but for example portableapps is just windows atm
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[13:38] <persi> hi can I talk with unregistered nickname?
[13:38] <Myrtti> #freenode
[13:39] <Myrtti> ummm
[13:39] <Myrtti> yes
[13:39] <Myrtti> sorry
[13:39] <Myrtti> got distracted
[13:40] <persi> can anyone recommend me a music player for xubuntu or is it offtopic here?
[13:40] <ablomen> rhythmbox is good
[13:41] <Myrtti> exaile, audacious, mpd
[13:41] <ablomen> and the 1200 others that are good too
[13:41] <ablomen> it depends on your system and what kind of music player you want
[13:42] <Myrtti> yup
[13:42] <ablomen> winamp like, itunes like, just enough features, more features youll ever need
[13:42] <persi> =) yeah seems so, just want somewhere to start, I`m on pentIII 1ghz laptop with I think  256mb of ram
[13:42] <persi> winamp like would be fine
[13:42] <persi> with just enough features
[13:42] <persi> not even library
[13:43] <Myrtti> audacious then
[13:43] <ablomen> well xmms is old but a lot of people use it, i think audacious is the predecesor of that
[13:43] <ablomen> *sucsessor
[13:43] <persi> xmms isnt available to me for some reason, so i installed xmms2 and tried  some clients for it, but they wouldnt work fine
[13:44] <Myrtti> audacious is cool
[13:44] <persi> thank you for your advice, since your so patient, how about terminal replacement with minimum features? anything cooler than mrxvt?
[13:45] <persi> I`m currently being converted from winXP so I`m kind of newbie here
[13:46] <ablomen> terminator is quite nice (you can have multiple terminals in one screen with that)
[13:46] <Myrtti> xubuntu comes with xfce4-terminal by default
[13:46] <Myrtti> it's ok and has the basic features
[13:46] <Myrtti> I use the bleeding-edge version of terminator, though.
[13:48] <persi> I have a problem with the default one, its symbols are distorted, it started when I fixed the usual resolution problem
[13:49] <persi> so we come to the next question, fonts look blurry to me, is it usual for xubuntu? because they look sharp on login screen
[13:50] <persi> I have a dell c600 laptop with 1400x1050, might there be a problem with that?
[13:50] <ablomen> persi, settings manager -> userinterface
[13:50] <ablomen> and then look at font-rendereing
[13:52] <persi> wow subpixel rendering looks very neat! thanks a lot!
[13:53] <ablomen> np :)
[13:53] <persi> jeez spent two days trying to beat advice of some local linuxoid friend and you are so helpful, how great it is
[13:54] <ablomen> Myrtti, has the current version a lot more functionallity then the one in the repo's?
[13:54] <ablomen> persi, yeah we people rock :P (j/k)
[13:55] <Myrtti> I don't even remember using the one in the repos :-P
[13:55] <ablomen> lol ok :P
[13:55] <ablomen> hmm might try it then
[14:20] <AlexCONRAD> after an automatic (preseed) install, going in Applications > System > Network shows that my eth0 is not enabled by default. How can I change this? Really my question is: when i'll check the "enable this conection" checkbox, which setting/config file is it modifing on disk so I can reproduce this setup on my automated installation disk (customized alternate CD)
[14:22] <johanjof> hello
[14:22] <johanjof> I just wondered how do you guys search into a ps file because gv doesnt do that
[14:22] <johanjof> any idea please ?
[14:24] <johanjof> note that you can say yes or no :)
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> no
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> :)
[14:24] <johanjof> you use gv then ?
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> no :)
[14:24] <johanjof> evince ??!!
[14:24] <AlexCONRAD> no
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> Until now, I didn't have to search in a ps file. :)
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> and what's a ps file ?
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> postscript?
[14:25] <johanjof> lol
[14:25] <johanjof> yes
[14:25] <AlexCONRAD> printing related ?
[14:25] <johanjof> no
[14:26] <johanjof> you know the world is not all about pdf
[14:27] <AlexCONRAD> i don't know ps, so im' innocent
[14:27] <AlexCONRAD> heh
[14:27] <johanjof> yes its you we saw you ! :D
[14:28]  * AlexCONRAD hides
[14:32] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, /etc/network/interfaces?
[14:32] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: aaah, a hint!
[14:33] <AlexCONRAD> ablomen: i'm asking the same questions on #ubuntu, but there are so many conversations going on, your question just get's flooded
[14:33] <ablomen> hehe yeah #ubuntu is impossible
[14:33] <ablomen> auto eth0 <enter> iface eth0 inet dhcp << is what i have
[14:33] <AlexCONRAD> your my saver, there a man page man 5 interfaces
[14:34] <AlexCONRAD> thanks ablomen, it pretty different from redhat's mechanisms
[14:34] <AlexCONRAD> which i'm used to
[14:35] <ablomen> AlexCONRAD, get LPI in a nutshell from oreilly, they have all that stuff in there for both redhat and debian :)
[14:35] <ablomen> really great book
[14:35] <ablomen> not that i mind you asking btw :P
[14:42] <AlexCONRAD> i'll buy the book ablomen
[14:42] <AlexCONRAD> thanks for the recommandation
[14:42] <ablomen> np :)
[14:58] <persi> ok people, rock on, here are another 2: how to see the list of (recently) installed programs that didnt appear in Applications menu
[14:59] <ablomen> persi, aptitude gives you a full list
[14:59] <persi> and how to type in alternative languages
[15:00] <ablomen> second one im not sure, i know there is a keyboard layout switcher applet (right click on panel -> add new item ->keyboard layout switcher)
[15:01] <ablomen> dunno if thats all you have to do
[15:04] <persi> круто
[15:04] <persi> ЖВ
[15:04] <persi> :D
[15:04] <persi> well that was the proof, thank you :)
[15:05] <persi> actually had to play with keyboard properties, where to set up hotkeys for layout switcher btw? is it themes in keyboard properties?
[15:06] <persi> and how to get WIN buttun to function?
[15:08] <persi> and is there a way to remove redundant dependencies along with package?
[15:11] <persi> and how to get mouse wheel to scroll faster? as a side note, where to get drivers, for example, for my microsoft (sorry) intellipoint?
[15:13] <testride> hi there
[15:14] <testride> can i run xubuntu with copy to ram ? and how much ramwould i need ( if its possible )
[15:14] <testride> !copy to ram
[15:15] <ubottu> Factoid copy to ram not found
[15:15] <testride> hmm
[15:22] <testride> i guess not\
[15:23] <xTOGx> anybody home?
[15:34] <ablomen> <persi> and is there a way to remove redundant dependencies along with package? << sudo apt-get auto-remove
[15:35] <persi> what`s the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[15:35] <ablomen> well people say aptitude is more reliable, dunno if thats true, i always use apt-get out of habbit
[15:36] <persi> E: Invalid operation auto-remove
[15:36] <ablomen> oh and aptitude has a srry without the dash
[15:36] <ablomen> ok again
[15:36] <ablomen> *sorry without the dash
[15:36] <ablomen> *aptitude also has a ncurses front-end
[15:37] <ablomen> which apt doesnt have
[15:37] <persi> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[15:37] <persi> so what it does?
[15:38] <ablomen> ok then there are no dependancies that arnt used
[15:38] <persi> I had in mind to remove konsole with all the garbage it brought with itself
[15:38] <persi> so I should 1st remove konsole itself
[15:38] <persi> then run it again?
[15:38] <ablomen> yeah you can try that
[15:38] <ablomen> dunno what the (reverse) dependencies of the kde-libs are
[15:39] <persi> hope Kopete doesnt use them
[15:39] <ablomen> yeah it does use kde libs
[15:39] <ablomen> kde apps == kde libs
[15:41] <persi> -_-
[15:41] <ablomen> thats one more reason why i avoid everything with a K at the beginning
[15:41] <persi> well autoremove doesnt smell em
[15:41] <persi> so there are no exceptions regarding k?
[15:42] <persi> im fine with pidgin but it doesnt hold the connection for some reason, and kopete does
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[15:42] <ablomen> lol yeah there are some apps starting with K that arnt kde/qt apps ;)
[15:42] <Riotta> sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:43] <Riotta> not auo-remove
[15:43] <ablomen> <ablomen> *sorry without the dash << :)
[15:43] <persi> thx Riotta, weve already figured that
[15:43] <Riotta> kk :)
[15:44] <Riotta> so what you want to do ?
[15:44] <Riotta> :P
[15:44] <persi> weee diediedie kopete
[15:44] <Riotta> apt-get remove kde*
[15:44] <persi> 83mb freed without it
[15:44] <Riotta> you can use purge function also
[15:44] <persi> thanks, useful command
[15:46] <Riotta> tbh
[15:46] <Riotta> sudo apt-get remove adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater akregator amarok amarok-xine apport-qt ark arts brltty cdrdao cryptsetup debtags desktop-effects-kde digikam dolphin enscript foomatic-db-gutenprint gdebi-kde gnupg-agent gpgsm gtk-qt-engine gwenview hpijs-ppds hplip-gui ijsgutenprint jockey-kde k3b kaddressbook kaffeine kamera karm katapult kate kbstate kcontrol kcron kde-guidance kde-gui
[15:46] <Riotta> dance-powermanager kde-icons-mono kde-style-qtcurve kde-systemsettings kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3 kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdebluetooth kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-kresources kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdesudo kdm kdnssd keep kfind kghostview khelpcen
[15:46] <Riotta> ter kicker kio-apt kio-locate kio-umountwrapper kipi-plugins klipper kmag kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmix kmousetool kmplayer-base kmplayer-konq-plugins knetworkconf knotes konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kontact konversation kooka kopete korganizer kpdf kpf kppp krdc krfb kscreensaver ksmserver ksnapshot ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog ktorrent kubuntu-artwork-usplash kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-do
[15:46] <Riotta> cs kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts kvkbd kwalletmanager kwin kwin-style-crystal language-selector-qt launchpad-integration libakode2 libao2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a libartsc0 libaudio2 libavahi-qt3-1 libclucene0ldbl libcurl3 libdbus-qt-1-1c2 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libept0 libexiv2-2 libfftw3-3 libflac++6 libgmp3c2 libgpgme11 libgpod-common libgpod3-nogtk libicu38 libifp4 libijs-0.35 libjpeg-progs libk3b2 libkbluetooth0 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdcraw3 libk
[15:47] <Riotta> depim1a libkexiv2-3 libkipi0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2 libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libksba8 libkscan1 libksieve0 libktnef1 liblua50 liblualib50 libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmpcdec3 libmtp7 libmusicbrainz4c2a libmysqlclient15of
[15:47] <Riotta> :P sorry
[15:47] <Myrtti> you were just about to get muted
[15:47] <Myrtti> :-/
[15:48] <Riotta> I should pastebin it :<
[15:48] <Riotta> http://pastebin.ca/1043893
[16:04] <persi> hmm some guy writes that xfce is slow, what do you think is a spec past which it is better to use gnome/KDE?
[16:04] <persi> I`m on 1ghz, 256mb RAM btw
[16:10] <Riotta> xfce will be way faster than gnome or kde
[16:10] <Riotta> if you want something more faster and less usable you should concern Fluxbox, blackbox, openbox
[16:11] <Riotta> persi: xfce has really small memory footprint and cpu usage even has apps like music player which is designed to be low profile
[16:11] <Riotta> xfmedia it's called
[16:14] <persi> thanks, less usable would be too much :)
[16:14] <persi> xfmedia isnt installed yet
[16:14] <persi> gettin it
[16:15] <persi> wow looks cool
[16:15] <persi> just losing track of all those packages
[16:30] <AlexCONRAD> how would you recommend setting up an .sh script that requires root privilege and should be launched during PC start up?
[16:30] <AlexCONRAD> /etc/rc.local?
[16:36] <Riotta> AlexCONRAD: yes
[16:37] <Riotta> rc.local would be good
[16:38] <AlexCONRAD> Riotta: thanks. If I remember well, this is only executed on each boot. If a user logs out and logs in again, it won't be execute, right ?
[16:38] <Riotta> yes
[16:38] <AlexCONRAD> great
[16:38] <Riotta> make sure that both this script and rc.local has executable flag (chmod +x file)
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> Riotta: is has
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> both do
[16:39] <Riotta> kk
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> tnxtnx
[16:39] <Riotta> npnp
[16:39] <Riotta> :D
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[17:25] <persi> ok now, wanna bother with mouse, I fixed the speed of scrolling problem for firefox, but would like a more general solution, are there any?
[17:25] <persi> I mean, for flexible set up of extra buttons and wheel
[17:26] <persi> hopefully witout editing of confs
[17:42] <Riotta> persi: logitech ?
[17:42] <Riotta> mouse
[17:42] <persi> M$
[17:42] <Riotta> IE 3.0 ?
[17:43] <persi> huh? not really, firefox
[17:43] <Riotta> mouse
[17:43] <persi> intellimouse
[17:43] <Riotta> Intellimouse 3.0
[17:43] <Riotta> or different ?
[17:43] <persi> sorry, theres new explorer one i believe
[17:43] <persi> ah, .11
[17:43] <persi> 1.1
[17:43] <persi> 1.1a
[17:43] <Riotta> ah 1.1a
[17:43] <Riotta> w8
[17:44] <persi> whats w8, never seen that
[17:44] <Riotta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171396&page=2
[17:44] <Riotta> w8 = wait
[17:45] <Riotta> unfortunetly not gui configuration cause you can't configure it by gui but it's a howto
[17:45] <persi> ah thanks, shame on me
[17:46] <Riotta> linux isn't like click and run sometimes it's alot easier to edit some config than click it
[17:46] <persi> yeah, I was used to it in dos times - before like 96th, but now it is hard to catch up
[17:47] <persi> btw noob question, what does the ring that is at the header of each window does
[17:47] <persi> button
[17:47] <persi> one at the left
[17:48] <persi> theres picture in the corner and that button with circle to the right from it
[17:49] <Riotta> in xfce ?
[17:49] <Riotta> I think it pins windows on all virtual desktops
[17:50] <Riotta> I'm not using this cause my window border theme haven't got it atall
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[19:31] <assassain101> I need some help with my alt disk.
[19:32] <assassain101> Apparently, the live CD for Xubuntu won't run on my machine, (I can only get the desktop to boot if I use safe graphics mode and it is SLOOOOOOW)
[19:33] <assassain101> So, I downloaded the iso for the alt install, and after burning it, it wasn't even detected by my machine.  So I guess what I'm asking is...can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong with burning it?
[19:34] <assassain101> I don't have admin rights on this machine so my usual ISO burner can't be installed, and I accidently removed windows on the computer I want to install it on.
[19:34] <assassain101> So, I found this one data disc burner already installed on here.  It has some crazy options though I've never seen before...
[19:38] <y4ndexx> InfraRecorder doesn't need installation, IIRC.
[19:41] <assassain101> It would appear so.
[19:41] <assassain101> Thank you.
[19:58] <assassain101> It says "No recorders available".
[19:58] <assassain101> After I selected the iso to burn.
[20:19] <raidoh> hi
[20:19] <raidoh> how to see the lan?
[20:28] <Odd-rationale> raidoh: try iwconfig, ifconfig, or iwlist scanning
[20:48] <keri> hi
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> !hi | keri
[20:48] <ubottu> keri: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[20:48] <keri> i got a kodak easy share camera and i pluged it in but nothing showed up, not even a drive... any help is appreciated.
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> hmm. try unplugging it. plugging it back. then pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> keri: ^
[20:53] <keri> i know
[20:53] <keri> im working on it.. bout to paste now
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> ok. sorry.
[20:55] <keri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19125/
[20:56] <keri> hey, should i have the camera on when i unplugged it then plugged it back in?
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> i think you should turn it off, unplug, plug, turn on
[20:57] <keri> no change anyway... would a hub make it not be detected.. 1 usb to 4?
[20:57] <keri> im using a hub
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> keri: well, it would be best if you plugged dirrectly
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> just to take further complications out of the equation...
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> keri: so your camer simply has a vfat filesystem?
[20:59] <keri> not sure
[21:00] <keri> ya no change from being off of the hub or not.. the camera says its connected to the media
[21:00] <Odd-rationale> keri: is it an older camera? most newer ones supprt usb mass storage...
[21:00] <keri> so i dont know why its not picking it up... where do i go to check on connected usb devices?  xubuntu is stripped out so i usually use hardware manager
[21:01] <keri> 2years old
[21:01] <Volkodav> sudo lsusb
[21:01] <Volkodav> does it show there?
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> older camera uses the Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP). you would need something like gthmbs for that...
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> gthumb
[21:02] <Volkodav> gphoto2 works too
[21:02] <keri> yes lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[21:03] <Volkodav> It did not recognize it as Kodak?
[21:03] <keri> hold on that was off mode.. on mode is going to have to be  another pastebin thing brb
[21:03] <keri> yes it does
[21:03] <keri> it says kodak co. now
[21:03] <keri> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 040a:05aa Kodak Co.
[21:03] <keri> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[21:04] <Volkodav> what's the model ?
[21:04] <keri> c433
[21:06] <keri> hows it going?>
[21:06] <Volkodav> http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html
[21:07] <Volkodav> it's not on the list
[21:07] <Volkodav> but I will still try
[21:08] <Volkodav> it uses p2p2 driver
[21:09] <Volkodav> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=8874&release_id=528571
[21:10] <Volkodav> sudo apt-get install gphoto2
[21:10] <keri> ok ill try that program
[21:11] <Volkodav> it is cli based though but helped me before with Kodaks and Canons
[21:12] <keri> aww man
[21:12] <keri> i need easy
[21:12] <keri> this is for a customer.
[21:13] <Volkodav> and then run gphoto2 --auto-detect
[21:13] <Volkodav> it is easy ti use
[21:13] <Volkodav> gphoto2 --summary
[21:13] <Volkodav> do it as root though
[21:14] <Volkodav> your customer will need one command actually ==> gphoto2 --get-all-files
[21:14] <Volkodav> that's all
[21:14] <Volkodav> ]it will dl pics and video if any
[21:14] <keri> where does the pictures go
[21:15] <Volkodav> whichever directory you fire the command from
[21:15] <Volkodav> http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/using-gphoto2.html
[21:15] <keri> im having issues even installing the program.. i said yes to it to install but it is not done for some reasone it take forevfer
[21:16] <Volkodav> any errors?
[21:16] <keri> nop-e just still waiting for it to say its installed
[21:16] <Volkodav> I just installed it on my box in a snap
[21:17] <keri> should i see any input after i say yes to install it?
[21:17] <Volkodav> yes
[21:17] <keri> well its still just sitting here
[21:17] <keri> i already aborted once
[21:18] <keri> thank you for your help.  ill do this someother time.
[21:18] <Volkodav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19131/
[21:18] <Volkodav> ok
[21:18] <keri> ya its having issues with going to russia to get the files
[21:19]  * Volkodav hopes keri did install as root
[21:19] <keri> not with sudo .. with gksudo my friend :))
[21:20] <Volkodav> I use just su
[21:20] <Volkodav> matter of fact
[21:20] <keri> lol
[21:20] <keri> thanks
[21:21]  * Volkodav wonders what the heck is gksudo ?
[21:22] <Myrtti> installed as root?
[21:22] <Myrtti> /me shudders
[21:22] <Myrtti> gksudo is the graphical frontend to sudo which is used in xubuntu and ubuntu
[21:22] <Volkodav> yeah - I want to have my root in console
[21:22] <Volkodav> when I need it
[21:23] <Myrtti> what's wrong with sudo -i
[21:23] <Volkodav> I am old school
[21:23] <Volkodav> I do sudo passwd
[21:23] <Myrtti> !noroot
[21:23] <ubottu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[21:23] <Volkodav> and I have my root
[21:23] <Volkodav> nah
[21:24] <Volkodav> let them play with sudos
[21:24] <Volkodav> then
[21:24] <Myrtti> please, let them :-)
[21:24] <Volkodav> yeah why nt
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[23:52] <AlexCONRAD> hi, what's the package that provides "Applications > System > Hardware Drivers" ?