| [01:04] <persia> good morning | |
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| [03:45] <persia> Right. Native packages should not be versioned as packagename_upstreamversion-placeholder-0ubuntu0 | |
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| [07:14] <dholbach> good morning | |
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| [12:15] <lool> Hmm upon kernel upgrade to -18, I had to turn off the device as the graphics wouldn't come up on reboot | |
| [12:15] <lool> I wonder whether it's specific to this upgrade, or whether it's after a bunch of reboots | |
| [12:28] <ogra> which graphics exactly ? usplash ? the HW itself ? X after usplash ? | |
| [12:29] <ogra> (note that the -intel X driver was updates as well very recently, might be related) | |
| [12:32] <persia> lool: I had that on Tuesday, but today's image brought up graphics fine. | |
| [12:37] <ogra> the -intel change in -proposed was uploaded on monday | |
| [12:41] <lool> Could be the -intel update | |
| [14:13] <rbelem> hi all, I would like write a statusbar plugin in python for ume, but python-hildondesktop is not in ubuntu repositories and ume ppa. Should I use another module or compile python-hildondesktop? | |
| [14:16] <persia> rbelem: Up to you, really. If you find python-hildondesktop easier, that might be the way to go. | |
| [14:17] <rbelem> persia, Is there another way to write statusbar plugins? | |
| [14:19] <persia> rbelem: Off the top of my head, I'll say there's also bindings for C. I'm also booting my latest image to see how the current set is doing it. | |
| [14:19] <ogra> egg.trayicon | |
| [14:20] <rbelem> nice! | |
| [14:21] <rbelem> will python-hildondesktop package be added do repository? | |
| [14:22] <persia> Bah. The working mouse changed. | |
| [14:24] <rbelem> :-) | |
| [14:28] <persia> rbelem: It seems all the statusbar applets in my build are done in C. | |
| [14:29] <ogra> but if you want python, have a look at that example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16874/ | |
| [14:29] <rbelem> persia, I saw that in my ume image too :-/ | |
| [14:30] <ogra> (needs egg.trayicon from python-gnome2-extras) | |
| [14:30] * persia likes ogra's example, for less hildon and more upstream integration with GNOME | |
| [14:30] <ogra> its quite trivial to do such icons if they are not applets | |
| [14:30] <rbelem> ogra, cool! | |
| [14:31] <rbelem> very simple | |
| [14:31] <ogra> (but even applets are not that hard if you understand bonobo) | |
| [14:31] <rbelem> I was seeking for something like that | |
| [14:33] <suihkulokki> It's perfectly possible to make hildon run without orbit/bonobo | |
| [14:33] <suihkulokki> That's one of the space savings nokia did | |
| [14:33] <rbelem> this do not restrict my plugins to hildon | |
| [14:34] <rbelem> thanks ogra persia | |
| [14:40] <ian_brasil> ogra: [ian_brasil, hey, the trick is to end your session] ...how do i do this in ume? | |
| [14:41] <ogra> killall x-session-manager would be the evil variant i guess | |
| [14:41] * persia uses Ctrl-Alt-Backspace | |
| [14:41] <ogra> or pkill better | |
| [14:41] <ogra> persia, from a script :) | |
| [14:41] <persia> ogra: Ah. Right. :) | |
| [14:42] <asac> lool: so just to confirm: ~ubuntu-mobile PPA is staging, so i can just upload there (hardy) ? | |
| [14:43] <lool> asac: ATM, it's not yet staging, but if it's release material you should upload there | |
| [14:43] <lool> asac: It's going to be staging when we move to archive.mobile.ubuntu.com | |
| [14:44] <asac> lool: i am asking for this xulrunner + midbrowser translations update | |
| [14:44] <asac> i have to upload there now | |
| [14:44] <asac> i guess i should upload midbrowser there too (while the other upload goes to -proposed) to not break things | |
| [14:44] <asac> can you confirm? | |
| [14:45] <lool> Yes; you can also upload to your ppa if you want to test before releaseing | |
| [14:46] <ian_brasil> ogra: thx...this works -> pkill -9 hildon-desktop | |
| [14:47] <ogra> well, it might skip the "save yourself" signal if the session manager sends one | |
| [14:47] <ogra> meaning that i.e. midbrowser will start with the restore session dialog since it will think it crashed | |
| [14:48] <ogra> not sure hildon-desktop has any external switch for that to trigger apps for doing a proper shutdown though | |
| [14:52] <asac> lool: i dont wnat yet another step | |
| [14:52] <asac> :) | |
| [14:53] <asac> ill upload to mobile ... unlikely that it will break much more than the current -proposed upload | |
| [14:54] <ogra> (in gnome your would do "gnome-session-save --kill --silent" to overcome that btw) | |
| [14:56] <rbelem> ogra, in the nokia 770 whe the power button is pressed a menu is displayed | |
| [14:57] <rbelem> and one of options is turn off | |
| [14:57] <ogra> right, like the gnome-session dialog (if you omit the --silent switch in the above line) | |
| [14:58] <rbelem> yep, something similar | |
| [14:59] <rbelem> s/pressed/under pressure/ | |
| [14:59] <rbelem> :-) | |
| [14:59] <ogra> heh | |
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| [15:47] <bpsew> is there a difference between "ubuntu mobile and embedded" and "ubuntu netbook remix"? | |
| [15:57] <persia> bpsew: Yes. They have different selections of software. | |
| [15:57] <persia> The naming is perhaps confusing, and this is the right place to discuss both. | |
| [15:58] <persia> "Mobile" is about 4-6" screens, and "Netbook" is about 7-9" screens (some people say 10", but I've seen too many 10" laptops to believe that) | |
| [15:59] <bpsew> can you name some of the different software? | |
| [16:02] <persia> bpsew: I'd have to compare the seeds to be sure: I don't have a Netbook install around. Netbook tends to have more screen area, and so more complicated apps. | |
| [16:06] <bpsew> ok | |
| [16:07] <bpsew> i'm asking myself... | |
| [16:07] <bpsew> will there be three versions of each program (think of pidgin e.g.), one for ubuntu desktop, one for netbook and one for ume? | |
| [16:10] <dantalizing> hey guys....was trying to install ubuntu-mobile, but xulrunner version is blocking the midbrowser install | |
| [16:10] <dantalizing> xulrunner-1.9 (1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~8.04.2) breaks midbrowser (<< 0.3.0rc1) and is installed | |
| [16:10] <dantalizing> i cant find midbrowser 0.3.0rc1 anywhere | |
| [16:38] <GrueMaster> StevenK: ping - what's this about an abi change? | |
| [16:38] <davidm> GrueMaster, -17 -18 and -19 all have ABI changes | |
| [16:38] <GrueMaster> Is it in any of the repositories yet? | |
| [16:39] <GrueMaster> And what should I build the psb-kmd modules against for testing and release? | |
| [16:40] <davidm> GrueMaster, I'm sorting this out now. | |
| [16:40] <davidm> More soon | |
| [16:40] <GrueMaster> ok | |
| [16:41] <ogra> -18 should be in hardy-security already | |
| [16:41] <ogra> -19 was just approved for building | |
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| [17:30] <GrueMaster> davidm: I have -18, and will build for that. | |
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| [18:06] <davidm> GrueMaster, yes, please build for the -18 release. | |
| [18:07] <GrueMaster> Done. | |
| [18:08] <davidm> GrueMaster, thanks | |
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| [19:32] <persia> lool: What else does Software Update need? | |
| [19:44] <lool> persia: ? | |
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| [22:13] <trip0> what is ubuntu-mobile going to use as it's media player? | |
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