2008/06/02/#launchpad.txt

[01:56] <poolie> we're aware of some operational problems with launchpad bzr hosting
[01:56] <poolie> we're looking into it and should have more information soon
[02:50] <emgent> morning
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[03:10] <Peng> Whee.
[03:13] <lifeless> We have a small escaping bug, a fix is underway, but we need to disable writes until it is fixed.
[03:16] <brandon_rhodes> Is launchpad bzr down?  I'm a first-time user moving a project there, and "bzr push bzr+ssh://...@bazaar.launchpad.net/..." is giving me a port 22 connection refused error
[03:17] <spiv> brandon_rhodes: yes, see /topic
[03:17]  * brandon_rhodes sheepishly checks /topic
[03:17] <brandon_rhodes> Ah, thanks. I saw the stuff about the meeting and missed the important bit :-)
[03:18] <lifeless> we don't have an exact timeframe yet, but it is a prioty
[03:18] <lifeless> *priority*
[03:20] <brandon_rhodes> I guess since bzr is distributed, this means that most users are not dead in the water and can still commit to their local branches in the meantime.  Neat.
[03:20]  * brandon_rhodes is still learning bzr
[03:20] <lifeless> yup
[03:21] <lifeless> however it is still inconvenient at best, so we do consider it a serious issue
[03:26]  * brandon_rhodes waits patiently to announce that his project has adopted Lauchpad until he can upload its actual source code :-)
[03:28] <lifeless> what project is it ?
[03:28] <brandon_rhodes> PyEphem.
[03:29] <brandon_rhodes> Python's most popular astronomy library, for whatever that's worth.  A niche market within a niche market. :-)
[03:29] <lifeless> lol
[03:30] <brandon_rhodes> Though since Python is actually more popular in science that in other areas, it's not that bad.  It's used at observatories here and there.
[03:31] <zero-velocity> hey
[03:32] <zero-velocity> can any one help me with ubuntu?
[03:32] <wgrant> zero-velocity: You probably want #ubuntu.
[03:32] <zero-velocity> thank you ;)
[03:33] <oubiwann> hey folks... I'm getting a connection refused for port 22 on bazaar.launchpad.net
[03:34] <lifeless> see /topic
[03:34] <oubiwann> lifeless: thanks man :-)
[04:19] <superm1> bah. if i knew that would be happening, i would have pushed this diff earlier tonight :(
[04:41] <emgent> morning stub :)
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[06:05] <emgent> tseliot: morning :)
[06:06] <tseliot> emgent: morning ;)
[06:32] <JorgePuente> 190 CDs requested on 2008-05-29. 35 CDs were approved and sent to the shipping company 6 hours ago.
[06:32] <JorgePuente> Why only 35 CDs?
[06:34] <jamesh> because that is the number that was approved
[06:35] <JorgePuente> 190 CDs requested on 2008-05-29. 35 CDs were approved and sent to the shipping company 6 hours ago.
[06:35] <JorgePuente> Why 35 of 190 CDs only?
[06:35] <jamesh> why did you need 190 CDs?
[06:36] <JorgePuente> I'm a administrator of the Free Software Community of Chimbote, Perú
[06:36] <JorgePuente> I need for to promote Free Software
[06:36] <JorgePuente> here
[06:38] <jamesh> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq <- see the third question
[06:38] <jamesh> 190 CDs is a lot (they aren't free to produce), so it seems the person handling the order reduced it to 35
[06:38] <JorgePuente> thank you
[06:39] <jamesh> if you have a special need, send an email to the address at the end of that answer
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[06:46] <JorgePuente> I did request 35 Ubuntu CDs
[06:47] <JorgePuente> The sum of all cds was 190
[06:48] <JorgePuente> The total of all cds was 190 (Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Kubuntu)
[06:49] <jamesh> well, you can send an email to query the order
[06:56] <JorgePuente> thanks, friend!
[07:34] <oubiwann> in the launchpad bzr file browser, is there any way to view the latest version of a file?
[07:35] <oubiwann> e.g., all I can seem to do is view "version X"
[07:35] <oubiwann> and I don't want that
[07:36] <oubiwann> I want a link to the *latest* version of the file, not a specific version
[07:36] <jml> oubiwann: hmm.
[07:36] <jml> let's have a look.
[07:39] <jml> oubiwann: URL hacking isn't revealing anything for me.
[07:39] <oubiwann> yeah, me neither :-(
[07:41] <oubiwann> looks like someone tried to ask a similar question: https://answers.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+question/31709
[07:41] <oubiwann> it was never answered
[07:41] <oubiwann> yay open source support
[07:41] <spiv> I believe there's some magic URL hacking you can do, something like "head:" or similar.
[07:42] <jml> oubiwann: replacing the revision id with head: seems to work.
[07:43] <oubiwann> jml: nice one!
[07:43] <jml> spiv: thanks
[07:44] <spiv> Utterly undiscoverable, but mwhudson is already well aware of this problem :)
[07:45] <mwhudson> hooray
[07:46] <oubiwann> jml, spiv: hrm, my URLs don't have a revision id
[07:46] <spiv> You can also replace the ?file_id=xxx with /path
[07:46] <spiv> e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/annotate/head:/COPYING.txt
[07:46] <jml> spiv: goodness me
[07:46] <oubiwann> spiv: ah, that's what I need
[07:47] <spiv> jml: for bonus wackiness, it *doesn't* work for /download links, just /annotate
[07:50] <wgrant> Is that because /download also has the object ID?
[08:10] <mwhudson> spiv: yeah, the download links are a bit of a problem child really
[08:10] <mwhudson> btw, working on loggerhead helped to teach my how much better an api locateChild is than getattr() 
[08:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:31] <Hobbsee> *evening* mpt!
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[09:17] <soren> Any idea why there's no build record for limesurvey at https://edge.launchpad.net/~nijaba/+archive ?
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[09:58] <gnomefreak> is PPA building intrepid yet?
[09:59] <cprov> gnomefreak: not yet.
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ah ok that would be why. thanks
[09:59] <RAOF> Yeah.  I got bitten by that, too.
[10:00] <gnomefreak> eh most hardy packages run on intrepid anyway so for
[10:00] <gnomefreak> far
[10:10] <mwhudson> say what https://edge.launchpad.net/testproject1010/trunk
[10:18] <sistpoty|work> thanks for taking care of revu/trunk hosted branch :)
[10:48] <nijaba> if PPA does not build for intrepid, why does it accepts uploads made as such?  Would it not make sense for it to refuse such uploads explicitly?
[10:48] <cprov> nijaba: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/173866
[10:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 173866 in soyuz "Source uploads should result in, at least, one build in order to be accepted" [Medium,In progress] 
[10:49]  * nijaba nods
[10:49] <Hobbsee> oh, gah.  
[10:53] <sylvain> Hello
[11:00] <sylvain> I have a question about importing .pot files.
[11:13] <oojah> sylvain: Best just to ask and someone will answer when they can.
[11:13] <sylvain> yep
[11:14] <sylvain> well, I work on Silva with thisfred (eric casteleijn), and usually he upload pot file
[11:14] <sylvain> and this work in the day
[11:15] <sylvain> last thrusday, I did it instead of him, and this went to *review*
[11:15] <sylvain> and it was never merge and made available in launchpad
[11:15] <sylvain> this morning, he tried again with his account, and got the same behaviour
[11:16] <sylvain> does anything go wrong, we suspect that's because we used a different user ?
[11:17]  * mwhudson pokes jt1 
[11:18] <jt1> mwhudson: ?
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[11:18] <mwhudson> jtv: i think you can probably answer sylvain's question
[11:18] <jtv> sylvain: what project is this?
[11:18] <sylvain> Silva
[11:19] <sylvain> https://edge.launchpad.net/silva
[11:19] <sylvain> it's called Silva CMS exactly
[11:19] <jtv> sylvain: I see it here... Not sure why that got held for review.  Just a moment.
[11:22] <sylvain> jtv: it worked now, we got a notfication
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[12:14] <zwnj> hi there
[12:15] <zwnj> i'm the admin of ubuntu-l10n-fa , and we are working on team membership rules and policies
[12:17] <zwnj> lots of people are interested in joining the team, and they feel bad if they do the translation, but not be a team member
[12:17] <zwnj> so i want to change the team description to "Ubuntu Persian Translation Coordinators"
[12:19] <wgrant> zwnj: You should be able to change it as an administrator or owner of the team.
[12:19] <zwnj> and make another team, like ubuntu-l10n-fa-all, so people can join that, but their translation won't be official until it's been reviewed by one of the coordinators
[12:19] <zwnj> is it a good approach?
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[12:19] <wgrant> You intend to give no additional permissions to -all?
[12:19] <zwnj> wgrant: yes
[12:20] <wgrant> That sounds sane.
[12:20] <zwnj> so, i just want to make sure this is not a bad policy
[12:20] <zwnj> for ubuntu/launchpad
[12:20] <zwnj> and what's the best choice? -all or -members or what?
[12:21] <andrea-bs> how about -contrib?
[12:21] <wgrant> I don't know of a policy for this sort of thing.
[12:21] <wgrant> -contributors, perhaps.
[12:22] <wgrant> We have universe-contributors in Ubuntu.
[12:44] <zwnj> ok, that sound good.  thanks wgrant :)
[12:58] <zwnj> i cannot update the +branding on edge
[12:58] <zwnj> is it a temporary problem?
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[13:05] <zwnj> i cannot change anything on EDGE
[13:05] <zwnj> i forgot how to turn off redirecting to edge
[13:06] <zwnj> anyone can help me?
[13:06] <spiv> zwnj: Go to https://launchpad.net/
[13:06] <spiv> zwnj: and click the "Disable redirection for 2 hours" link
[13:06] <zwnj> yes, found that.  thanks spiv
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[13:29] <cprov> for the PPA hackers: intrepid PPA building support was just enabled, sources previously uploaded are being built (they are a lot).
[13:30] <zwnj> i cannot change anything in the main site neither
[13:30] <Hobbsee> cprov: ah good, so my poking worked.
[13:30] <zwnj> is it my account, or a site problem?
[13:31] <cprov> Hobbsee: quite possibly, enjoy.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> i will.
[13:33] <zwnj> cprov: i got Status: "Failed to upload" for new builds.  what that means?
[13:34] <cprov> zwnj: the binaries built do not fit the current archive context. See the bottom of the message you've received  (upload log) for a more precise error message.
[13:36] <KaZeR> hi guys. can anybody help me with the translation tool?
[13:36] <zwnj> oh, yes.  it's Exception while accepting: The following files are already published in PPA for Behnam ZWNJ Esfahbod: bicon_0.2.0-1ubuntu0~ppa4_i386.deb
[13:36] <KaZeR> how to you update your translations from your code repo?
[13:38] <cprov> zwnj: right, typical rebuild attempt. Haven't you build the binaries in hardy and copied to intrepid ?
[13:42] <zwnj> i have build for hardy, but i'm not sure about copying.  was it possible throw launchpad?  if yes, probably i did.
[13:44] <cprov> zwnj: that's what is said in your PPA page for the intrepid source " Copied from ubuntu hardy in PPA for Behnam ZWNJ Esfahbod"
[13:45] <zwnj> right.  thanks cprov.
[13:45] <cprov> zwnj: you are welcome.
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[14:46] <andrea-bs> it seems that everyone can change the channel topic
[14:47] <emgent> true.
[14:47] <emgent> and sounds good for me.
[14:49] <ruiboon> didnt realise that. sorry if i have accidentally change the topic
[14:50] <ruiboon> hmm.. this channel seems to be missing +t
[14:51] <Hobbsee> by design.
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[15:11] <Peng> A lot of channels on Freenode aren't +t.
[15:12] <Spads> ruiboon: think of topics like wikis
[15:13] <ruiboon> Spads: i see. Thanks for the info
[15:32] <zwnj> can someone help me here to move all pending/former members of one team, to another (new) one?
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[16:07] <kiko-afk> zwnj, isn't it easier to just rename the old one?
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[16:08] <zwnj> hi kiko
[16:08] <zwnj> kiko: no, the first one is the official persian translation team
[16:08] <zwnj> and the new one, is a team for contributors
[16:09] <zwnj> unless, you change the team membership in ubuntu-translators
[16:09] <zwnj> kiko: is that ok with you?
[16:14] <kiko> zwnj, that's what I was going to propose doing
[16:14] <kiko> however
[16:14] <kiko> do you understand the consequences of that change?
[16:15] <zwnj> kiko: reviewing all previous translations?
[16:15] <zwnj> i think i can add users one by one to prevent that
[16:18] <zwnj> kiko: i'm adding members, and it's not as hard as i thought
[16:18] <zwnj> kiko: thanks btw
[16:19] <kiko> zwnj, well, it means that anyone in that group will be able to add approved, official translations.
[16:19] <kiko> maybe that's what you want
[16:19] <kiko> but maybe it's not!
[16:20] <zwnj> no, no
[16:20] <zwnj> i'm cleaning up ubuntu-l10n-fa members, and moving them to ubuntu-l10n-fa-contributors, which is not a official translation team
[16:21] <zwnj> i could swap their name, approve/reactivate all members of the new ubuntu-l10n-fa-contributors, and ask you to change the official on to new ubuntu-l10n-fa
[16:21] <kiko> gotcha.
[16:21] <zwnj> but it's ok now
[16:21] <kiko> okay, great
[16:22] <kiko> zwnj, it's awesome that you are doing this, it's really something that all translation teams should do periodically
[16:22] <kiko> zwnj, maybe you could write up your experience to launchpad-users/ubuntu-translators when you're done?
[16:23] <zwnj> kiko: sure.  actually i'm making the l10n-fa team alive again, and i'll write about the whole process...
[16:25] <zwnj> Jason Hamilton helped me to make the decisions
[16:25] <zwnj> i'm not sure if i can find him here in irc
[16:25] <zwnj> oops, i meant Jeroen Vermeulen
[16:26] <kiko> heh
[16:26] <kiko> the one and only jtv 
[16:26] <kiko> and jt1 and jt2 I guess :)
[16:43] <zwnj> hi jtv
[17:02] <luisbg> a branch an other user made in my project appears in the projects overview... can I make it not appear there? I would make it abandoned but only that user has access to change the status of the branch
[17:03] <luisbg> he did a little change months ago and hasnt developed anything further
[17:11] <kiko> luisbg, just mark it as abandoned
[17:12] <kiko> and update the whiteboard (tell him to contact you)
[17:12] <luisbg> I cant mark it as abandoned
[17:12] <luisbg> "You cannot upload to this branch."
[17:13] <kiko> even as project owner? interesting. abentley, what do you think?
[17:14] <abentley> kiko: I don't know what to think.
[17:15] <kiko> abentley, should he?
[17:16] <abentley> kiko: Personally, I think the project owner should have absolute power over how their project is displayed in Launchpad.  That doesn't seem to be the Launchpad philosophy.
[17:17] <kiko> abentley, well, I don't know about absolute power, but I'm not discussion philosophy as much as practicality -- should the project owner be entitled to update metadata for project branches?
[17:18] <kiko> I'm not discussion! A for grammar
[17:18] <abentley> So, if you think they should have absolute power, the answer is yes.  If you don't, the answer is no.
[17:21] <luisbg> maybe not change metada of the project branch
[17:21] <luisbg> just change which branches of my project appear and which not
[17:22] <abentley> luisbg: The fact that the branch is inactive should be enough to make it less and less visible.
[17:23] <luisbg> abentley, not when the project has only 4 branches
[17:23] <kiko> abentley, by inactive do you mean no recent commits?
[17:24] <abentley> kiko: Yes.
[17:25] <luisbg> it isnt the case
[17:25] <luisbg> but if a project owner doesnt have this power
[17:25] <luisbg> trolling could be really easy and annoying
[17:26] <kiko> luisbg, maybe just email the user and ask him to mark it abandoned if it is 
[17:26] <luisbg> I havent had any replies from the user
[17:26] <kiko> luisbg, I wonder if there's not a point to displaying the branch, though, since other users could actually pick that work up. too unlikely?
[17:27] <luisbg> it was intender to be a code reordering of an old version
[17:27] <luisbg> old enough to be in a different language than the current one
[17:28] <kiko> luisbg, I can mark it abandoned or obsolete if you like
[17:28] <luisbg> so anybody picking that up would be unworth it
[17:28] <abentley> luisbg: I recall there being automatic branch hiding for very inactive branches.
[17:28] <luisbg> abentley, define very inactive
[17:28] <abentley> I'm having trouble looking up the exact code, though.
[17:28] <luisbg> abentley, :)
[17:36] <danshearer> hello all
[17:36] <danshearer> is the definition of 'top contributors' written down somewhere? (there isn't any help avail on that page.)
[17:36] <danshearer> if I look at https://launchpad.net/pidgin/+topcontributors for example
[17:37] <danshearer> It isn't clear to me just how someone got on the list.
[17:37] <kiko> it's by karma
[17:38] <kiko> so the karma events for the user in that project
[17:38] <danshearer> I asked Jelmer, who is at number 2, and he didn't know for sure either although he guess he might have imported a branch from a
[17:38] <danshearer> project site out there at some time.
[17:38] <danshearer> ah, so if I go to the project site I should be able to see everyone listed
[17:41]  * danshearer searches for 'list karma events' or similar
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[17:58] <danshearer> Nope, I can't find any kind of karma log
[17:58] <danshearer> I got 'Show karma summary' under a user home page but that's it
[17:58] <danshearer> what am I missing?
[18:01]  * danshearer is away: dinner
[18:04] <rexbron> Hey, would anyone be able to tell me why I got a whole bunch of messages saying that packages in my ppa failed to upload. I have not uploaded anything recently...
[18:07] <cprov> rexbron: PPAs are building sources uploaded to intrepid.
[18:07] <rexbron> cprov, ok, I suspected it might have something to do with me copying packages to intrepid before hand
[18:07] <cprov> rexbron: they have accumulated during the time it wasn't ready yet.
[18:08] <cprov> rexbron: exactly, if you have copied the corresponding binaries from hardy to intrepid the build result cannot be uploaded, thus the failure.
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[19:25] <Ekushey> any launchpad admins here?
[19:26] <kiko> Ekushey, maybe. :)
[19:27] <Ekushey> kiko are you one? ;)
[19:29] <kiko> yes!
[19:31] <Ekushey> kiko, can i knock u on prv?
[19:32] <kiko> Ekushey, what's it about? I normally prefer questions to be asked on launchpad (see /topic)
[19:33] <Ekushey> i uploaded po files for translations on https://launchpad.net/rbl/ but it's not approved yet
[19:33] <Ekushey> is it possible to take a look at it?
[19:33] <kiko> Ekushey, it needs to be either danilo_ or jtv 
[19:34] <Ekushey> oh ok
[19:34] <Ekushey> both are away right now
[19:35] <Ekushey> kiko can you tell me how long it usually takes to get it approved?
[19:37] <kiko> Ekushey, normally it's quite quick except for the first time
[19:37] <kiko> Ekushey, I could normally do this except I don't really know much about pofiles :-(
[19:38] <Ekushey> it's been over a week now
[19:38] <Ekushey> so that's why i was asking
[19:39] <Ekushey> kiko, there isn't anything wrong with the files... they are already checked
[19:39] <kiko> Ekushey, if you ping tomorrow at an earlier time I can definitely get them to look at it
[19:39] <kiko> what a cool logo
[19:40] <Ekushey> great, thanks, can you please tell me what time?
[19:41] <kiko> Ekushey, hmmmm
[19:41] <kiko> Ekushey, do you derive from Ubuntu?
[19:41] <kiko> Ekushey, about 5 hours earlier
[19:42] <Ekushey> ok sure
[19:45] <Ekushey> kiko yes that's the plan... xubuntu based distro in bengali
[19:47] <kiko> Ekushey, why don't you translate in ubuntu itself?
[19:47] <kiko> that way you don't need to fork language packs, etc
[19:49] <Ekushey> well right now our team members want to translate xfce first and make it available on the xfce site
[19:53] <kiko> they could do that through launchpad, too
[19:54] <Ekushey> kiko, yes, that's why i uploaded the xfce files
[19:55] <mpt> e.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xfce-mcs-plugins/+pots/xfce-mcs-plugins/bn/+translate
[19:56] <kiko> Ekushey, no, I mean the upstream xfce. or, in ubuntu, as mpt suggests.
[19:56] <kiko> Ekushey, there's little benefit to running those translations yourself
[19:57] <Ekushey> ok i'll talk with my friends
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[22:25] <fta> boom, all builders are dead
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[22:26] <kiko> fta, they're being upgraded
[22:28] <fta> oh
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