2008/05/31/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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[02:48] <daskreech> wheee $.1
[02:48] <daskreech> 4.1
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> you had my hopes. up I even apt-get updated and it said I had upgradable packages. :(
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> But still the only 4.1 packages available are kdelibs and kdebase
[02:53] <daskreech> ok maybe I'm delusional
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> Instead I get stupid upgradable openoffice packages :(
[02:56] <daskreech> I have Oo.o 3
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> 2.4.1~rc1
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> Well actually, 2.4.0
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> I'm upgrading to 2.4.1 rc1
[03:16] <dbglt> with the recent update
[03:17] <dbglt> The following packages are BROKEN:
[03:17] <dbglt>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> I just uninstalled those, thank goodness
[03:17] <dbglt> JontheEchidna: it wants to install thunderbird for some bizzare reason
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> o.O
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> I didn't need them anyway since I don't need a South African English dictionary
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> or a british english one
[03:18] <dbglt> I need an Australian one
[03:18] <dbglt> UK one is close
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> Those are some pretty big packages too
[03:19] <dbglt> why the hell does it want to install thunderbird?
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> No clue, maybe one of the language packs is depending on thunderbird incorrectly
[03:19] <dbglt> Remove the following packages:
[03:19] <dbglt> language-pack-en, language-pack-en-base, language-support-en, language-support-translations-en, openoffice.org-help-en-gg,
[03:19] <dbglt>  Install the following packages:
[03:19] <dbglt> ,thunderbird [2.0.0.14+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy-updates, hardy-security)]
[03:19] <dbglt> JontheEchidna: do I need those language packs?
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> Yes
[03:20] <dbglt> JontheEchidna: that's the suggested solution...
[03:20] <dbglt> hrm
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> I've run into a bug where opening file dialog in any GTK app cause it to segfault
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> and some webpages in firefox do the same thing
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> Maybe it's gtk-qt-engine + half upgraded KDE...
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, it's gtk-qt-engine
[04:04] <daskreech> So what did I miss while 4.1 crashed? :)
[04:29] <daskreech> :-D
[04:29] <daskreech> There is a Gnome Theme for KDE4?
[04:48] <santiago-ve> hey guys... a quick question before going to sleep... when merging packages... which one should i use?... DaD or MoM?
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[10:04] <Arby> mhb: I've just merged jockey trunk with jockey-kde and merged my branch in as discussed the other day
[10:05] <Arby> mhb: could you take a look when you get a minute to check all is ok
[10:05] <Arby> mhb: also I have some ideas to discuss regarding the aboutdata whenever you have a minute
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[10:26] <mhb> Arby: hi
[10:27] <mhb> seele: I'll be here for around 5 hours, if you wanted something from me
[10:28] <mhb> Arby: still around?
[10:29]  * mhb wishes he had his laptop
[10:44] <Arby>  mhb: back
[10:45] <Arby> mhb: there is a file called /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/jockey-0.3.3.egg-info
[10:45] <Arby> that contain much of the metadata required for aboutdata
[10:46] <Arby> mhb: is that a reasonable thing to rely on to extract the information.?
[10:47] <Arby> to save having to hard code it, which is bad
[10:47] <Arby> mhb: also, I've converted the icon loading to KIcon(name) as discussed
[10:47] <Arby> not uploaded yet though
[10:57] <mhb> hmm
[10:57] <mhb> Arby: I'm not familiar with an .egg file...
[10:58] <Arby> neither am I but it seems to contain the right info, and it exists in the installed version of jockey in my system
[10:59] <Arby> so it seems safe to expect it to be there to me
[10:59] <Arby> but I wanted another opinion
[10:59] <mhb> hmm
[10:59] <mhb> the problem is, can we always access it?
[10:59] <Arby> I think so
[10:59] <mhb> suppose jockey-kde was on a Fedora system and the path changed, are you still able to access it?
[11:00] <Arby> ok I see your point
[11:00] <Arby> back to the drawing board then
[11:00] <mhb> hmm
[11:01] <mhb> GNOME also does have those About windows, right<
[11:01] <mhb> ?
[11:01] <Arby> don't know, I assume so
[11:01] <mhb> hmm, jockey does not, it seems
[11:03] <Arby> is there a geneeric way to do this?
[11:03] <Arby> it doesn't seem like a new problem
[11:06] <Arby> hmm, system-config-printer just has it coded directly as I did before
[11:09] <mhb> hmm , can't you just somehow omit the data?
[11:09] <mhb> to me it seems silly that every application has to have those
[11:11] <Arby> the root of the problem is that KCmdLineArgs seems to need it
[11:11] <Arby> I could pass it to KCmdLineArgs directly but that just displaces the problem
[11:15] <Arby> sorry that's ambiguous, I could pass the content of aboutData to KCmdLineArgs directly as individual variables
[11:15] <Arby> but as I said that just moves the problem
[11:16] <Arby> (back in ~15 min)
[11:16] <mhb> right
[11:16] <mhb> see you then
[11:19] <mornfall> Whee.
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[13:44] <seele> mhb: ah, i wanted you to be part of the kgrubeditor confersation i was hvaing with artemis yesterday, but i think we got everything resolved
[13:44] <seele> mhb: automagic is going to be a problem
[14:29] <sime> Does anyone kwow what happened to pyuic4 in the python-qt4 packages?
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> it was moved to the -dev IIRC
[14:30] <sime> it doesn't appear to be in there.
[14:30] <sime> 4.3.3-2ubntu-2
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> ok, i'll do some dpkg searching.
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> pyqt4-dev-tools
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> is the package
[14:33] <jeroen-> strange updates today
[14:34] <jeroen-> adept wants to remove some language packages and install thunderbird. together with a lot of openoffice stuff.
[14:35] <jeroen-> apt-get update/upgrade just wants to hold the OOo updates back, but wants nothing to remove or install!?
[14:35] <jeroen-> so apt-get seems ok, but adept not
[14:35] <jeroen-> whats up?
[14:36] <jeroen-> oh wait, thats because adept doea a dist-upgrade
[14:37] <jeroen-> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:37] <jeroen->   language-support-nl language-support-translations-nl openoffice.org-help-nl openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb
[14:37] <jeroen->   openoffice.org-l10n-en-za openoffice.org-l10n-nl
[14:37] <sime> nosrednaekim: thanks, that was it. I can never remember that package name. *-devel should be enough.
[14:37] <jeroen-> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[14:37] <jeroen->   gimp-help-en thunderbird thunderbird-locale-en-gb
[14:38] <jeroen-> The following packages will be upgraded:
[14:38] <jeroen->   dpkg dpkg-dev dselect initramfs-tools libntfs-3g23 libparted1.7-1 libpolkit-gnome0 ntfs-3g openoffice.org .........etc.......
[15:04] <mhb> seele: it always has been
[16:46] <apachelogger> nixternal: where is beta1?
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> Awol
[16:47] <smarter> :D
[16:47] <fabo> Riddell: funny, i found Qt4.4 in launchpad but not in package.ubuntu.com
[16:48] <fabo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libqtgui4&searchon=names&suite=intrepid&section=all
[16:48] <smarter> PUC is not up to date
[16:49] <fabo> so known bug :)
[16:54] <DreadKnight> are we there yet? xD
[16:59] <apachelogger> where?
[16:59] <apachelogger> bugland?
[17:00]  * apachelogger shouts kde-nightly-qt and wonders why everyone @ linuxtag looks at him
[17:05] <DreadKnight> um... not bugland :D
[17:05] <DreadKnight> kde4.1beta :D
[17:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: working on them...a lot of work getting them ready
[17:14] <nixternal> there are just so many dependency changes between 4.0 and 4.1...it is crazy
[17:15] <nixternal> making sure none of the files are missing, and making sure it installs, and making sure it runs, and making sure it crashes only your system :P
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> its ok nixternal... take your time :)
[17:23] <nixternal> ya, I am not just gonna toss packages out there if they don't work...testing them all first, even if it is a beta
[17:44] <DreadKnight> nixternal: we appreciate your work :D
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[18:13]  * nixternal finally has kdebase-workspace building correctly
[18:14] <smarter> nixternal: w00t!
[18:15] <nixternal> I had lintian errors out the whazoo
[18:19] <DreadKnight> yey :D
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[19:07] <nixternal> can you put unstable packages into a ppa or do they have to be ubuntuized?
[19:09] <DreadKnight> nixternal: so what's the point of the ppa then? :D
[19:10] <DreadKnight> you can just upload stuff to a branch then...
[19:11] <DreadKnight> ppa packages don't need to be approved if that's what you mean
[19:11] <nixternal> hrmm, Riddell will pciutils-dev work for kdebase instead of libpci-dev?
[19:12] <nixternal> I am not to sure I want to place the new pciutils package into the Hardy PPA
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[19:13] <nixternal> DreadKnight: I know they don't need to be approved, but you can't upload a package to a PPA if the changelog has the release set to unstable
[19:13] <nixternal> actually, I know pciutils-dev will work (I think)
[19:14] <DreadKnight> hmm
[19:15] <nixternal> I have been building kde4 trunk on hardy, and there is no libpci-dev, only pciutils-dev
[19:17] <DreadKnight> nixternal: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:dhkWxttiLjQJ:groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel.release/browse_thread/thread/f1f2c72322144a9d+libpci+pciutils&hl=ro&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ro&client=firefox-a
[19:27] <jpds> where can I grab the lastest kde.mk for KDE4?
[19:36] <jpds> nixternal: maybe you know?^ it's for vorian's package (about to upload)
[19:44] <nixternal> any of the 4.0.4 packages
[19:44] <jpds> I was afraid of that..
[19:56] <nixternal> Riddell: check your kdebase package in Intrepid...something tells me you grabbed a bad tarball, as the 01_ patch has already been applied upstream in the tarball I grabbed from ktown
[20:10]  * nixternal builds kdebase
[20:10] <nixternal> go apps go!
[20:15] <nixternal> hey, if I am working today, then you all are working today!!!
[20:15] <nixternal> nobody passed on a request for time off to me at all for this weekend :p
[20:16] <DreadKnight> :)
[20:19] <nixternal> god I love the planet.ubuntu.com
[20:20] <DreadKnight> me too
[20:22] <jpds> nixternal: I think I may have set -ops off
[20:38]  * vorian waves
[20:38] <vorian> jpds: which package?
[20:40] <jpds> vorian: k9copy, it's okay, but it still goes to /usr/lib/kde4
[20:40] <vorian> rrrr
[20:41] <jpds> vorian: is that for the package, or re: planet ubuntu?
[20:42] <vorian> well, I can't really comment on the planet you know ;)
[20:42] <nixternal> jpds: ahh, if you are doing k9copy for intrepid, you will also need to change the current k9copy to become something like k9copy-kde3...but I don't know 100% how the old kde3 packages are going
[20:42] <vorian> I can do that :)
[20:42] <jpds> nixternal: Ri.ddell said to replace.
[20:42] <vorian> ah, nevermind
[20:43] <nixternal> are we getting rid of everything kde3 then?
[20:43]  * nixternal hopes not
[20:43] <jpds> Think so
[20:43] <jpds> vorian: you can still update it!
[20:43] <vorian> roger that
[20:45] <jpds> vorian: poke me when you're done and I'll upload ASAP
[20:45] <vorian> jpds: which one?
[20:45] <jpds> vorian: k9copy
[20:46] <vorian> original? k9copy > k9copy-kde3?
[20:46]  * vorian is suddenly confused
[20:47] <jpds> replace the kde3 with the kde4 on revu
[20:47] <vorian> so drop the -kde4 then
[20:47] <jpds> yeaj
[20:47] <jpds> err, s/j/h/
[20:48] <vorian> werd
[20:48] <vorian> :)
[20:54] <vorian> jpds: update the debian/cdbs as well, or leave it as is?
[20:56] <jpds> vorian: yeah, that's what I was asking n1x.ternal
[20:56] <vorian> I'll pull then from the -members ppa
[20:57] <vorian> or not ...
[21:03] <vorian> alrighty jpds, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=k9copy
[21:04]  * jpds downloads
[21:08] <jpds> vorian: DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX = /usr/lib/kde4
[21:08] <vorian> oops
[21:16] <vorian> where can I find a package with 4.0.4 mojo for cdbs?
[21:16] <vorian> nixternal: ^  :P
[21:16] <nixternal> any of them
[21:16] <nixternal> if you are going to intrepid, you don't want to use those files
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[21:40] <JontheEchidna> If I am correct the base packages for 4.1 are now in the kubuntu-members kde4 ppa now?
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace-bin depends on x11-server-utils but apt can't find that package
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> Well, the 4.1 package in the ppa anyway
[22:07] <nixternal> just noticed that, but it builds
[22:08] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: they are not complete, the ones in PPA
[22:08] <nixternal> if you grab them, plan on using KDE 3 for a while :)
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm in virtual terminals 1-3 with irssi at the moment
[22:10]  * JontheEchidna is stoopid
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> command line isn't that bad, though
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> It's nice and fast, for one thign
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> would it be safe to use the dpkg --ignore-depends on the deb?
[22:12] <nixternal> nope
[22:12] <nixternal> if you install what is there, none of your kde4 apps will work
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> yes, I know that. I have already installed it all and kdebase-workspace is gone
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> I probably should have mentioned that I'm trying to get kdebase-workspace back :P
[22:14] <nixternal> remove the ppa and then purge kdebase-workspace, then rm -rf ~/.kde4
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> k, thanks
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> brb
[22:17] <mustela> not too pester and i imagine this questions get asked a lot but ... what's the ETA for kde 4.1 beta packages?
[22:17] <DreadKnight> :)
[22:17] <DreadKnight> eager to try it out myself
[22:18] <mustela> DreadKnight: my other laptop runs debian and the packages from experimental are awesome! :)
[22:18] <DreadKnight> cool
[22:18] <mustela> 4.1 beta > 4.0.3 :D
[22:18] <DreadKnight> i run 4.0.4
[22:19] <DreadKnight> openSuse supports kde4 pretty well it seems
[22:19] <mustela> yup
[22:20] <mustela> fedora does too for that matter ... but not as well as opensuse but they've got a ton of kde devs though ... but this is off-topic here :)
[22:20] <DreadKnight> :)
[22:20] <DreadKnight> daskreech: welmcome :)
[22:20] <DreadKnight> welcome*
[22:21] <cartman> Riddell: lo, any update on KDE 4.1 on intrepid?
[22:21] <daskreech> Hey DreadKnight how are you doing?
[22:21] <cartman> I finally succeeded installing KUbuntu on my MacBookPro
[22:21] <daskreech> you keep popping up :)
[22:21] <DreadKnight> daskreech: hehe
[22:22] <DreadKnight> eager to try out 4.1beta :D
[22:22] <DreadKnight> what about  you daskreech?
[22:22] <daskreech> sI'm on it now
[22:22]  * mustela would be shocked if debian releases on time as they could be the first distro to ship 4.1 
[22:23] <daskreech> They currently have some debate as to if it should be included or not
[22:23] <daskreech> THough they will probably ship CDs with Gnome as default in any case
[22:23] <mustela> daskreech: yup cd1 is gnome not kde ;)
[22:23] <mustela> daskreech: the kde 4.1 beta packages in experimental are sweet though
[22:24] <daskreech> Yeah I know. I'm on the Suse Live CD and though it's driving me nuts I'm still booting into it
[22:24] <daskreech> All the new features adn new bugs are pretty exciting :)
[22:24]  * daskreech finds Google nicely broken
[22:24] <DreadKnight> xD
[22:24] <daskreech> Though that's fixed in trunk already
[22:25] <DreadKnight> daskreech: do you have sound on dragonplayer?
[22:25] <DreadKnight> in*
[22:26] <daskreech> DreadKnight: Where?
[22:26] <daskreech> on my install no
[22:26] <daskreech> onthe Live cd yes
[22:26] <DreadKnight> anywhere xD
[22:26] <DreadKnight> sound not working for me in dragonplayer for months...
[22:27] <daskreech> I can't get it sorted on my install but thats cause I chose not to install phonon
[22:28] <DreadKnight> :D
[22:29] <DreadKnight> i got my popcorn now.. i'm gonna watch some movie... need to waste some time :-)
[22:29] <DreadKnight> bbl
[22:29] <daskreech> ok
[22:30] <daskreech> DreadKnight: Get popkorn It's nicer ;-)
[22:30] <DreadKnight> daskreech: indeed :D cheers!
[22:42] <nixternal> just put up a new kdebase-workspace
[22:43] <nixternal> hopefully this will squash some dep issues
[22:43] <jjesse_> wow is freenode having problems?
[22:43] <jjesse_> on trrillian i'm gettting no user list and its taking forever to join channels
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> now I have a weird mix of 4.0.80 and 4.0.4
[22:44] <nixternal> that's cuz the packages are not complete
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> but at least I have a working desktop environment with wobbly windows
[22:44] <nixternal> hehe
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> :D
[22:44] <nixternal> at least you got that much...I have a bit of a dependency issue going on here....just cleaned out the cache, gonna check again
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that was a pain to get through
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> I remember back in the mid 90s when I'd want to play flash games on the linux computers my dad administrated
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> Or maybe more like the late 90s
[22:46] <jjesse_> is there something going on w/ irc?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> That was my first experience with dependencies
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> and they have haunted me ever since
[22:48] <nixternal> jjesse_: freenode is a flake today it seems
[22:49] <jjesse_> its wierd i have joined some channels, but not showing any users and other issues
[22:49] <jjesse_> i have no idea whats going on
[22:49] <daskreech> jjesse_: I got lag with joining chans as well
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[22:50] <jjesse> i'm not getting al ist of users either
[22:50] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: Nothing like installing Redhat and then driving over to someone's house to get some RPMS driving a few hours home to find out that they have dependencies
[22:51] <daskreech> Ahmm Think I'll go back next week and get those
[22:51] <cartman> what did you guys install to get a usable KDE4.1 wobblyness? :)
[22:51] <jjesse> thanks for the info
[22:51] <jjesse> daskreech that would suck to have to drive back :)
[22:51] <daskreech> jjesse: Maybe you have that info squashed ?
[22:51] <jjesse> daskreech: i don't, i can't even do tab completion for users
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> cartman you don't want to install just yet
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> unless you are man enough to face... dependency hell!
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> and a potentially broken system
[22:52] <cartman> JontheEchidna: I did install Kubuntu on MacBookPro :P
[22:52] <cartman> thats man enough
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:52] <daskreech> jjesse: hmm that's strange. that's only happened to me once
[22:52] <cartman> though I'll wait indeed
[22:52] <cartman> :)
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> I added the ppa used for the gutsy kde4 packages
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> and upgraded
[22:52] <daskreech> #kde-mac :)
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> then I removed the last traces of kdebase-workspace and reinstalled 4.0.4's kdebase-workspace
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> kwin-kde4 4.0.80 stayed behind and I achieved wobbliness
[22:54] <cartman> ah :)
[22:54] <cartman> hope this makes it to alpha1
[22:54] <nixternal> alrighty, heading out for some food and to chill a bit...I shall return to complete kde 4.1 beta 1 packages
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> k, thanks for the work you've done so far. I'm happy. :)
[22:54] <nixternal> oh, and you will get happier :)
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> yes, dolphin + tabs ftw
[22:55] <nixternal> kdebase-kde4 is up now, so konsole-kde4 and the main apps (konqi) are updated
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> but you would recommend waiting still?
[22:55] <cartman> nixternal: yay but isn't the name is kdebase now ?
[22:55] <nixternal> just shhhhh, don't tell the world because I don't want them bitching when I destroy their computers :)
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[22:55] <nixternal> cartman: we can't do that in hardy
[22:55] <cartman> I care about intrepid ;)
[22:55] <cartman> bleeder edge
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> so is the kdebase-workspace dependency issue resolved now?
[22:56] <nixternal> well I am not working on the kde4 packages in intrepid, I am backporting for the hardy users
[22:56] <cartman> nixternal: remember you, from pko, good work
[22:56] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: do you remember what the dep issue was? I forgot
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> x11-server-utils
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> no such package
[22:56] <nixternal> ya, removed those
[22:56] <nixternal> was it complaining when you tried to install?
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:57] <smarter_> ksmserver conflicts with kdebase-workspace-data
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[22:57] <daskreech> wait
[22:57] <daskreech> dolphin has tabs?
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> Heh, here we are bogging down nixternal with more work
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: in 4.1, yes
[22:57] <smarter> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop', which is also in package ksmserver
[22:58] <nixternal> oooh, that would suck
[22:58]  * daskreech implodes 
[22:59] <daskreech> ok so I need konversation back
[22:59] <daskreech>  KOnversation has no code but has icons
[22:59] <daskreech> That sucketh
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> when I originally updated to these packages all I could do was log in to failsafe
[23:03] <daskreech> I'm so torn :(
[23:03] <daskreech> I wanna update to 4.1 but I wanna test the 4.0.5 packages as well
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> the change log is smaller this time between 4.0.4
[23:05] <DreadKnight> do you guys ever get to see any change log in adept?
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> not recently
[23:05] <DreadKnight> in synaptic it works. but never in adept...
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> it always 404's
[23:05] <DreadKnight> yeah
[23:05] <DreadKnight> my kdm-kde4 looks like crap..
[23:06] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: Hmm
[23:06] <daskreech> Sounds like something to dig into
[23:06] <daskreech> can't be that hard to fix
[23:06] <smarter> http://cli-apps.org/content/show.php/lchangelog?content=71530 << a little script I made some time ago to check changelog of installed packages
[23:06] <daskreech> there is a KDE4 Adept port going on right ?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> DreadKnight: Mine too
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> blue background?
[23:07] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: erm... even worse..
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> mine is entirely blue
[23:08] <DreadKnight> daskreech: hope they'll just use shaman 2, way better than adept and synaptic, nicer gui, policykit as backend soon and using qt4 already
[23:08] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: heh... that would be nice ... mine makes teeth hurt
[23:09]  * daskreech likes adept
[23:09] <DreadKnight> daskreech: me too, but shaman2 is way better in every way xD
[23:09] <DreadKnight> imho
[23:09] <mustela> hopefully packagekit's apt backend will become fully funtionally and the qt port gets finished
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: Konqueror-kde4 is looking for kdebase-data instead of the kde4 counterpart
[23:10] <DreadKnight> it's the same thing like with kaffeine / dragonplayer (or not xD )
[23:10] <DreadKnight> what's the PPA for 4.1 btw?
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> the same one used for gutsy KDE4 backports
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> It's in the 4.0.3 release announcement at kubuntu.org
[23:12] <DreadKnight> guessed so
[23:13] <mustela> DreadKnight: but as far as i can it's uninstallable at the moment
[23:13] <DreadKnight> https://edge.launchpad.net/kde4-backports
[23:13] <mustela> kdebase-runtime-data-common poops out
[23:13] <DreadKnight> mustela: oh
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> you can override that error, if it's pooping about trying to install files in other packages
[23:14] <mustela> JontheEchidna: how?
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/debname
[23:14] <DreadKnight> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4
[23:14] <DreadKnight> hmm
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> but... proceed with caution
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> queue ominous *dun dun dun*
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> <3 kwin compositing
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> maybe I'll boot into my intrepid partition and see if 4.1 packages are done there...
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[23:19] <JontheEchidna> oh shi- plasma is missing
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> I wonder what I did this time
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, dpkg never finished setting up plamsa
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> brb, rebooting
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[23:29] <DreadKnight> i added the ppa, but kdebase-workspace-bin is marked for removal... not good :\
[23:31] <DreadKnight> should i proceed anyway or what? xD
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> proceeding will cause you not to be able to login to KDE4
[23:31] <DreadKnight> =)
[23:46] <mustela> oh those ppa 4.1 packages let me without a working kde ... not surprised ;)
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> same here
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace was probalby removed
[23:54] <daskreech> DreadKnight: I'll look at shaman then
[23:55] <DreadKnight> daskreech: well, v2 with policykit not ready yet... so only usable on archlinux distro; anyway...
[23:55] <DreadKnight> do so :-)
[23:56] <DreadKnight> daskreech: official site http://shaman.iskrembilen.com/site/
[23:58]  * daskreech fights off memories of WOW
[23:59] <mustela> i think i'll wait for the official announcement before trying to break my kde again ;)