2008/05/27/#ubuntu-motu.txt

[02:34] <ryanakca> Is there anything I can to to have a local cache of packages for sbuild &/or pbuilder? I sadly have to rebuild a few times (trial and error, trying to get this patch to work), but I hate having to dowload 54.3MB from the archives every time, and I'm sure the archive maintainers hate my doing so as well...
[02:35] <RAOF> Squid can be good.
[02:36] <RAOF> There are also apt-specific caches (apt-cacher, apt-proxy, apt-zeroconf)
[02:37] <RAOF> There's probably also a way to make sbuild use a local shared cache (there certainly is for pbuilder, but my knowledge has atrophied).
[02:47] <ryanakca> RAOF: hmm... thanks :)
[02:57]  * ScottK learns about facebook.
[02:57] <ScottK> (teenagers)
[03:03] <nixternal> hehe
[03:03] <crimsun> the wonderous journey of facebook.  heh.
[03:32]  * ajmitch reads up on the latest flamefests
[03:32] <StevenK> ajmitch: -devel?
[03:34] <ajmitch> -bugsquad, at least
[03:35] <ajmitch> related threads :)
[03:36]  * ajmitch seems to get the impression that some people think that all developers are paid, everyone else are volunteers
[03:37]  * ScottK refrains from comment.
[03:38] <ajmitch> ScottK: that's a surprise :)
[03:38]  * ScottK is still about 50% on Prague time and it's nearly 5AM there.
[03:39] <ajmitch> to be honest, I think that the proposal of LP changes to hide certain bugs being a bit stupid
[03:41] <ScottK> Well every time I suggested "Don't mark no bugs you don't understand", which seemed to me to be the obvious answer, I got a lot of pushback.
[03:42] <ScottK> At least Hobbsee's "Special bugs, don't touch" guidelines are back on the How To Triage page (even if they are marked draft).
[03:42] <ajmitch> so instead we end up with a solution that assumes that all bugsquad members are drooling idiots who'd ignore any tags/titles/other glaring things telling them don't touch
[03:43] <ScottK> Apparently.
[03:43] <ScottK> Part of the problem though is that tag manipulation/list usage is a real PITA.
[03:43] <ScottK> Personally I don't use tags for anything.
[03:43] <ajmitch> because there are probably several hundred tags?
[03:44] <ScottK> That and getting a list of the bugs with a particular tag is not straightfoward.
[03:44] <ScottK> And it's slow.
[03:45] <ajmitch> the bug title is probably a more obvious thing for triagers to look at & know that they can move on
[03:47] <ScottK> Unfortunately there are several different possible titles.
[03:47] <ScottK> IIRC it was declared to hard (this is mostly heno talking, but other people involved in bugsquad there too).
[03:47] <ajmitch> a prefix, perhaps
[03:48] <ScottK> Dunno.  I feel like I've done my part.  Those were by far the least fun sessions in UDS (it took 2).
[03:48] <ajmitch> I bet
[04:23] <artfwo> When dealing with these packages: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html is it okay to request a sync from http://getdeb.net ?
[04:26] <RAOF> artfwo: Almost certainly not.  The prerequisite for appearing on getdeb.net appears to be 'built once, somewhere'.
[04:27] <ScottK> artfwo: We've asked the getdeb folks to work with us together on packaging.  They declined because it's too hard (apparently) to make correct packages.
[04:28] <RAOF> While some, many, or indeed all packages may be better than that, it would require essentially the same review as a new package.
[04:29] <artfwo> I see. So a new upstream would still to require repackaging for Ubuntu even if it's on getdeb?
[04:30] <jdong> artfwo: getdeb packages often do not comply with Ubuntu/Debian quality control guidelines
[04:31] <jdong> artfwo: their new version packaging is rarely a derivative of existing Ubuntu packaging; little to no effort is made to preserve compatibility either...
[04:31] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:31] <RAOF> Howdie Hobbsee.
[04:32] <RAOF> artfwo: In short, it's almost certainly easier to just uupdate the current package than to pull something from getdeb.
[04:33] <ajmitch> good afternoon Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: simple solutions aren't allowed.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> apparently
[04:39] <Hobbsee> or ones that require thought and education.
[04:44]  * wgrant grumbles at the brewing Bugsquad v. ubuntu-dev case.
[04:46] <ajmitch> wgrant: exciting stuff, no?
[04:48] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[04:48] <wgrant> Making them private is wrong, but perhaps getting LP to add a 'workflow' flag... But that would take years.
[04:49] <ajmitch> and it probably still wouldn't be the right solution
[04:49] <Hobbsee> someone could point out that a whole bunch of developers are volunteers too, and so playing the "hey, you're having a go at poor volunteers" card does not help.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> wgrant: OTOH, you have to accept that the general ideals for ubuntu triaging and development now seem to be focussed on getting more people who are active, and not only allowing those who are *competent* and active.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> wgrant: and changing that will be very difficult, because we do actually need the people
[04:51] <Hobbsee> so if they get most stuff right, then tha'ts probably good enough - we just hope that they don't get important stuff wrong.
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[07:24] <btakita> Hello, would a REVU admin please re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? Thanks :)
[07:29]  * Hobbsee tries
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[07:43] <Hobbsee> hmm.  well that's broken.
[07:45] <RAOF> Ah, so much fun :)
[07:55] <wgrant> Hobbsee: What's broken?
[07:56] <wgrant> Did I not give you enough permissions?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> wgrant: su to my user, change my shell to zsh, and run revukey.
[07:57] <Hobbsee> tia.
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <wgrant> Morning dholbach.
[07:58] <dholbach> hiya wgrant
[07:58]  * wgrant gets claustrophobic with that time over on the RHS.
[07:59] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:02] <wgrant> Hobbsee: It seems to be working fine...
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  wasn't when i tried it.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> will have to look later
[08:02] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Did you use 'sudo -u revu1 /srv/revu-production/scripts/revu-key update'?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> wgrant: if that's what my alias says it is, yes.
[08:03]  * Hobbsee grepped, and used the corresponding command
[08:03]  * Hobbsee dies of frozen.
[08:05] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You seem to have called it with 'updae' last time.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> wgrant: way cool.  no idea how.
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[09:31] <Traveler3> trying to install ubuntu on my laptop. But all I get is grub..
[09:38] <soren> ls -l
[09:38] <soren> ...
[09:39] <dholbach> total 1
[09:39] <dholbach> drwx------  3 soren soren 4096 2008-05-22 10:28 pron
[09:39] <soren> Eek.
[09:39] <dholbach> ;-)
[09:40] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[09:50]  * broonie always used to nam temporary folders "porn" since I knew several of the admins.
[09:50] <broonie> Often they were full of things like tutorial answers.
[10:27] <RAOF> StevenK: If you're still interested in sponsoring some uploads to debian, I've got a couple of things on m.d.o and on the mentors list.  No one seems to be biting, though :)
[10:30] <StevenK> RAOF: Tell me why my HAL changes don't work, and then I'll consider it. :-P
[10:30] <StevenK> Although, I'm about to go to my mother-in-laws, so ...
[10:31] <RAOF> I think your HAL changes don't work because of a fundamental personality discontinuity.
[10:31] <directhex> daisy, daisy, give me your answer do...
[10:31] <RAOF> There's no urgency; I'll just check if you're still interested every now and then :)
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[12:22] <emgent> morning
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[12:37] <Iulian> Heya
[12:54] <ScottK> One statistic from the discussion about workflow bugs at UDS is that they represent ~1 percent of new bugs filed.
[12:57] <siretart> ScottK: is that surprising?
[12:58] <ScottK> Actually I was suprised it was that much.
[13:01] <siretart> well. we have scripts that help with filing them
[13:29] <norsetto> howdy dowdy
[13:29] <sebner> huhu norsetto =)
[13:30] <norsetto> of course, sebner is always here
[13:30] <norsetto> sebner: don't you have school!?
[13:30] <sebner> norsetto: of course. my life consists of school, ubuntu and nexuiz :P
[13:31] <sebner> norsetto: for the weeks until my oral exams start just the important subjects. 2-3 hours a day ;)
[13:37]  * ScottK does the clamav victory dance.
[13:38] <emgent> hahah :)
[13:38] <ScottK> One and only one clamav version in -updates or -release for all released/supported Ubuntu versions.
[13:38] <ScottK> That only took a year to get done.
[13:39] <Amaranth> Didn't they just release a new clamav a couple days ago?
[13:40] <ScottK> They released 0.93 just before Hardy and there's an RC for 0.93.1.
[13:40] <Amaranth> Dang, I was hoping for a "damnit" response. :P
[13:40] <ScottK> That's an intrepid problem for now.  At the moment, I'm patching 0.92.1 with security fixes.
[13:40] <emgent> I go to work, bye people.
[13:40] <Amaranth> see ya emgent
[13:40] <sebner> emgent: bye bye
[13:40] <ScottK> The key is having one 0.92.1 configuration I only need to figure the patches for once.
[13:41] <ScottK> see ya emgent.
[13:54] <sebner> huhu jono mok0
[13:55] <sebner> mok0: what's now about the icons for the universe-group. can also others attach a picture, when is the election,.. ?
[14:01] <mok0> sebner: errr, asaik it is decided on a meeting on the 31st
[14:02] <mok0> sebner: but you can surely attach more pictures!
[14:02] <mok0> sebner: just make another "section" with your entry
[14:04] <mok0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Emblems
[14:04] <mok0> (I'd forgotten where it was :-)
[14:36] <sebner> mok0: k, thanks =)
[14:36] <mok0> sebner: looking forward to seeing your contrib
[14:37] <sebner> mok0: well, not mine but a friend of mine likes to do that stuff ^^
[14:39] <mok0> sebner: cool. We need to get your friend involved in more artwork, then
[14:59] <geser> is the motu-sru team still operational? how long does it usually take for a SRU ACK?
[15:00] <pochu> geser: a lot, it's better to ping some member on IRC ;)
[15:03] <persia> geser: Last I heard statistics, it was about a week.  Since then, the team has gotten less active.  Hence the call for renewal.
[15:12] <emgent> hello people
[15:13] <norsetto> emgent: that was quick
[15:16] <emgent> norsetto: o/
[15:27] <sebner> huhu sistpoty|work
[15:27] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[15:27] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[15:30] <norsetto> heya sistpoty|work
[15:30] <sistpoty|work> hi norsetto
[15:30] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: we missed you in Prague
[15:31] <sistpoty|work> heh
[15:45] <mok0> Has there been talk about revu-days?
[15:48]  * sistpoty|work is needing to take down REVU for a few minutes, to fix bug #234896
[15:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234896 in revu "Upload does not get accepted unless original source is excluded" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234896
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[15:51] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:51] <sebner> huhu bddebian
[15:51] <bddebian> Hello sebner
[15:57] <kirkland> zul: hey, i merged php5-5.2.6, builds cleanly in my local environment on amd64
[15:58] <kirkland> zul: it's in my home dir on chinstrap, if you want to review it
[15:58] <zul> sure..
[15:58] <kirkland> zul: i pushed to my ppa to test the build on other arches too
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[16:00] <kirkland> zul: unfortunately, it doesn't look like Launchpad PPA's are building intrepid packages yet
[16:01] <kirkland> zul: if you review what I put on chinstrap, and give me feedback, i'll fix it up.  otherwise, perhaps you can upload
[16:01] <sistpoty|work> ok, revu should be back accepting uploads... can anyone do a test upload please?
[16:09] <tbielawa> I'll do one
[16:11] <sistpoty|work> thanks tbielawa
[16:11] <tbielawa> sure thing sistpoty|work
[16:14] <tbielawa> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15097/
[16:14] <tbielawa> fail
[16:16] <persia> tbielawa: Try with ftp rather than scp (unless I'm missing something)
[16:16] <sistpoty|work> tbielawa: 17  Uploading to revu (via scp to revu.ubuntuwire.com) (you'll need to use ftp in dput.cf)
[16:17] <sistpoty|work> heh, thanks persia
[16:19] <sebner> aloha afflux ;)
[16:19] <afflux> morning sebner ;)
[16:23] <tbielawa> sistpoty|work, Successfully uploaded packages.
[16:23] <sistpoty|work> tbielawa: cool, thanks
[16:23] <mok0> What is the default xinetd server on Ubuntu now?
[16:23] <mok0> inetd
[16:23] <soren> openbsd-inetd, I believe.
[16:24] <mok0> soren: I believe its xinetd... (?)
[16:24] <soren> It is not.
[16:24] <mok0> soren: hm. It should be
[16:26] <mok0> soren: Just so I don't need to ask another time, where can I see what packages are in the base set?
[16:28] <zul> kirkland: you built the php5 stuff in an intrepid chroot right?
[16:29] <hggdh> siretart: hello
[16:29] <kirkland> zul: umm, i built using "debuild" on a hardy box
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[16:29] <zul> kirkland: ah ok ill do a build test with an intrepid chroot just in case
[16:31] <zul> kirkland: because im paranoid :)
[16:31] <ScottK> kirkland: You really want to look at building inside a clean chroot using pbuilder, sbuild or similar.  Eventually it will lead to tears if you don't.
[16:31] <ScottK> kirkland: For an easy way to get started see pbuilder-dist in ubuntu-dev-tools.
[16:35] <sistpoty|work> tbielawa: cool, everything seems to have worked... thanks for testing :)
[16:35] <tbielawa> you're welcoem
[16:37] <kirkland> ScottK: thanks, will do
[16:38] <kirkland> I think I'm going to rebuild my laptop today using LVM
[16:51] <rockstar> kirkland, use the alternate cd, and life is easy with LVM
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[17:19] <LaserJock> siretart: lol, we're going to have an Ubuntu Developer's Reference?
[17:20] <LaserJock> siretart: I started working on one almost 2 years ago I think :-) I hope it actually makes it this time
[17:22] <siretart> hggdh: hey there!
[17:22] <siretart> LaserJock: is it what became the Packaging Guide?
[17:22] <LaserJock> siretart: no
[17:23] <LaserJock> siretart: after the packaging guide I started looking at doing a UDR
[17:23] <LaserJock> iwj did a spec on it for dapper I think
[17:23] <siretart> I remember that
[17:23] <siretart> do you remember why it failed that time?
[17:23] <LaserJock> but in the end mdz said that we should just use wiki pages :-)
[17:24] <LaserJock> that's when we got w.u.c/UbuntuDevelopment
[17:24] <LaserJock> one big issue was if we should maintain it as a patch to the Debian Developers Reference
[17:25] <LaserJock> I spent a lot of time figuring out how we could do that
[17:25] <LaserJock> but I suspect it's much better for us to write an entirely new document
[17:43] <zul> kirkland: it doesnt build on intrepid because net-snmp hasnt been merged yet
[17:43] <kirkland> zul: ah
[17:43] <hggdh> siretart: sorry and all of that.... Thank you for a ray of good sense
[17:44] <hggdh> siretart: re. your Debugging XineLib: we would like to reformat it into the Debugging* format
[17:44] <hggdh> siretart: and publish under wiki/ubuntu/Debugging
[17:52] <sebner> mok0: nice mail, a sponsors adventure? ^^
[17:52] <mok0> sebner: a sponsors sigh
[17:52] <sebner> ^^
[17:54]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[18:12]  * mok0 -> dinner
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[18:41] <jdong> lol, ALMOST got a ticket today heading up to port huron :)
[18:41] <jdong> urgh ssh lag sucks :)
[18:42] <jdong> just had three ssh sessions to the same screen reconnect... weird combination of backlogged keystrokes ensue :)
[18:49] <Riddell> superm1: what's the fglrx-installer package?
[18:49] <mario_limonciell> Riddell, the results of the discussion at UDS
[18:49] <mario_limonciell> to move fglrx and nvidia out of LRM
[18:49] <mario_limonciell> starting with the next AMD release you'll be able to spit out source packages from the ".run" file that they distribute
[18:49] <norsetto> oh $DEITY, I can retry builds now ....
[18:50] <mario_limonciell> that just need a dch -e to mangle the changelog, but they should be sufficient for the archive
[18:50] <Riddell> norsetto: how?
[18:50] <norsetto> Riddell: got a retry botton in the build page
[18:51] <Riddell> mario_limonciell: hmm, where's the licence?
[18:52] <mario_limonciell> Riddell, usr/share/doc I believe in the source package
[18:52] <mario_limonciell> its the file that is excluded in debian/rules from getting installed (since its contents are copied to debian/copyright)
[18:53] <Riddell> ok, accepting
[18:53] <mario_limonciell> great thanks
[18:59]  * geser looks for a ~motu-sru member and sees jdong
[18:59] <geser> jdong: have you some time to ack to SRUs? bug #197216 and bug #232480
[18:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 197216 in pycaml "[hardy] Package pycaml has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197216
[18:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 232480 in apache2-mpm-itk "[SRU] apache2-mpm-itk uninstallable with apache2.2-common from hardy-proposed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232480
[19:07] <ScottK> leonel: I got the clamav 0.92.1 packages from feisty/gutsy-backports copied to -updates, so no need to patch feisty/gutsy separately any more.
[19:08] <leonel> ScottK: I saw the mails  in the morning   this is  GOOD ! thank  you
[19:09] <ScottK> leonel: Thanks for all your help.  Clamav 0.93.1 RC is out, so I expect a new wave of security patches to do.
[19:09] <leonel> I haven't seen any CVE  yet
[19:10] <leonel> ScottK: remember if you need help to test any backport   just let me know ..
[19:10] <ScottK> We won't until the final release I don't think.
[19:10] <ScottK> leonel: WIll do.
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[19:33] <Zelut> I built a package for my PPA with CDBS and now I can't seem to recreate the steps.
[19:33] <Zelut> anyone here to give me a few tips on the CDBS voodoo?
[19:46] <Zelut> I'm getting /usr/share/doc/app : no such file or directory, but it is there via a relative path from debian/
[19:51] <Zelut> pastebin of my build attempt if anyone cares to take a look: http://pastebin.ca/1031257
[19:59] <emgent> DktrKranz o/
[19:59] <DktrKranz> we emgent
[20:00] <geser> ah another ~motu-sru member
[20:00] <geser> DktrKranz: Hi, have you some time to ack two SRUs? bug #197216 and bug #232480
[20:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 197216 in pycaml "[hardy] Package pycaml has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197216
[20:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 232480 in apache2-mpm-itk "[SRU] apache2-mpm-itk uninstallable with apache2.2-common from hardy-proposed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232480
[20:01] <laga> i also need two ACKs from motu-sru: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythplugins/+bug/220087
[20:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 220087 in mythplugins "Some mythplugins packages fail to configure if /var/lib/mythtv NFS mounted" [Undecided,New]
[20:01] <laga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-control-centre/+bug/221921
[20:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 221921 in mythbuntu-control-centre "SRU: progress bar oddities break creation of diskless clients" [Undecided,New]
[20:02] <laga> it'd be great if someone could take a look as they've been open for quite  some time
[20:03] <DktrKranz> sorry for this delay, I'm mostly offline, so I can't process queue as I should do :(
[20:03] <DktrKranz> but I'll have a look at these
[20:04] <DktrKranz> geser, is apache2-common 2.2.8-1ubuntu0.1 in -updates?
[20:05] <geser> apache2.2-common | 2.2.8-1ubuntu0.1 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages
[20:05] <geser> yes
[20:06] <DktrKranz> thanks, it took ages to me
[20:10] <DktrKranz> geser, apache2-mpm-itk ACKed, does it need to be fixed for intrepid too?
[20:12] <geser> DktrKranz: yes, I will upload a rebuild soon (I guess it will get rebuild several times till intrepid release).
[20:14] <DktrKranz> geser, cool. thanks. pycaml ACKed too, be sure to fix intrepid task if needed.
[20:14] <norsetto> motu-sru! motu-sru! me too! me too!
[20:15]  * RainCT is bored right now and could be convinced to sponsor something
[20:15] <DktrKranz> norsetto, heh, gimme some DSL, please! :D
[20:15] <norsetto> DktrKranz: bad idea that to leave telecom, you cheapo ;-)
[20:15] <geser> DktrKranz: already done (fixed pycaml is in intrepid)
[20:16] <bobbo> RainCT: i have a merge that needs sponsored? Bug #235050
[20:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 235050 in bzflag "Please merge bzflag 2.0.10.20071115+nmu1 (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235050
[20:16] <DktrKranz> norsetto, naah, I had several troubles with telecoZ
[20:17] <norsetto> DktrKranz: did you? Ah well, you think you are better now?
[20:17] <DktrKranz> sure, I missed 56k :P
[20:18] <DktrKranz> and, it is because of telecom I'm here right now, they have just freed DSL cable to be switched to new guys
[20:19] <geser> no open WLAN in reach?
[20:19] <DktrKranz> geser, ah, noticed right now, mind closing hardy task?
[20:19] <RainCT> bobbo: were the changes forwarded to Debian?
[20:20] <DktrKranz> s/hardy/intrepid/
[20:21] <geser> DktrKranz: can do
[20:21] <bobbo> RainCT: yes, but they havent picked them up
[20:21] <RainCT> ok
[20:23] <RainCT> bobbo: (next time list the Maintainer change in the changelog, but don't worry to do this now, isn't that important)
[20:23] <bobbo> RainCT: ok, will do
[20:27] <DktrKranz> laga, done.
[20:27] <DktrKranz> norsetto, you're next in line :)
[20:27] <laga> DktrKranz: yay!
[20:27]  * laga hugs DktrKranz 
[20:28] <DktrKranz> laga, latter already ACKed by john, no need to add a second ACK :)
[20:29] <norsetto> DktrKranz: ok, gotta dig them out now ... first one should be bug 224847
[20:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 224847 in plucker "package update-manager 1:0.87.24 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224847
[20:30]  * DktrKranz looks at the queue: 84 results
[20:30] <norsetto> DktrKranz: also bug 225935
[20:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 225935 in oxine "oxine is not installable in 8.04" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225935
[20:33] <DktrKranz> norsetto, done. and now, my DSL please! ;)
[20:36] <norsetto> DktrKranz: on its way, I have a feed Guastalla->Rome firing up
[20:37] <DktrKranz> good
[20:37] <dfiloni_> norsetto: hi :)
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[20:38] <norsetto> dfiloni: hi devide
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[22:19] <sebner> huhu norsetto \o/
[22:21] <sebner> FOLKS! Do I missed something. wine sync from Debian?????????????????????????????????????????
[22:23] <norsetto> sebner, hmmm?
[22:23] <sebner> norsetto: I said hi ;)
[22:23] <norsetto> sebner: I mean, about wine
[22:23] <sebner> norsetto: the latest wine release is a sync from Debian
[22:24] <ajmitch> and?
[22:25] <ajmitch> if all the ubuntu changes are in the debian package, it shouldn't be a problem, right?
[22:25] <norsetto> ajmitch, I guess he is just surprised that wine is in debian
[22:25] <ajmitch> wine has been in debian for a very long time
[22:26] <ajmitch> I know that the current debian maintainer was looking for people to help out
[22:27] <geser> don't we use the packages from winehq and not debian?
[22:28] <ajmitch> generally yes, because YokoZar maintains them
[22:29] <pochu> wow, wine synced \o/
[22:29] <sebner> that's why I was surprised
[22:29] <pochu> (not that I care for wine, but seen packages synced is a good thing)
[22:29] <sebner> He have Scott ...
[22:35] <ajmitch> so, can someone confirm that it was actually synced, and not just uploaded with the wrong version number?
[22:35] <sebner> ajmitch: debian changelog ......
[22:36] <sebner> ajmitch: wine (1.0-rc2-1) unstable; urgency=low
[22:36] <ajmitch>  wine (1.0~rc2-1) intrepid; urgency=low
[22:36] <ajmitch> from intrepid-changes, so I'm wondering if it was a mistaken sync
[22:36] <sebner> ajmitch: that's the old one. just got the updates and looked at the wine site
[22:37]  * ajmitch suspects that this sync was unintentional
[22:37] <sebner> ajmitch: crazy =)
[22:37] <norsetto> ajmitch: its an autosync
[22:38] <ajmitch> norsetto: yeah, because the last upload by scott didn't have -0ubuntu1
[22:38] <sebner> norsetto: because of the false versioning of the previous version? or intential?
[22:39] <geser> I guess bad versioning
[22:39] <norsetto> ah ok, so it was the previous one that was wrong
[22:39] <ajmitch> nothing to get overly excited about
[22:40]  * ajmitch thinks sebner used up his punctuation quota for the day there :)
[22:40]  * norsetto thinks that ajmitch doesn't yet know well sebner
[22:40] <sebner> ajmitch: lol. that's enthusiasm :P
[22:41] <sebner> norsetto: sounds somehow bad :\
[22:41] <ajmitch> norsetto: I'm getting old...
[22:41] <norsetto> ajmitch, who isn't!?
[22:42] <geser> let's hope YokoZar see this discussion in his scroll-back and fixes the versioning
[22:42] <sebner> and sebner is getting ignored :P
[22:43] <norsetto> sebner: stop being silly and get on with your syncs!!!!!!
[22:44] <sebner> norsetto: lol. if you pass some over to me I'll file the bugs :P
[22:44] <norsetto> sebner: check out those from andrea veri, he is on "sabbatical"
[22:44]  * ScottK wonders what YokoZar will do when he finds out.
[22:45] <mario_limonciell> probably upload a new package? :)
[22:45] <sebner> ScottK: go wild ^^
[22:46] <sebner> norsetto: bah. these are merges and I have enough merges where I *should* report back to debian and wait wait wait
[22:46] <ScottK> I just figured it's be potentially useful to use his nick so he might look in.
[22:46] <ajmitch> ignore that it was ever there & not worry about providing transitional packages back to the ubuntu scheme of things?
[22:46] <geser> ScottK: perhaps hit the person who caused this with a cluebat? :)
[22:46] <ScottK> ajmitch: That's what I'd do.
[22:46]  * ajmitch used his nick a few times
[22:46] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:46] <ScottK> ajmitch: Missed that when reading the scrollback.  Sorry.
[22:47] <sebner> norsetto: I'll start uploading to revu the next days ;)
[22:47]  * ajmitch wonders if there'll be anything left to do on intrepid by the end of the week
[22:48] <sebner> ajmitch: why?
[22:48] <geser> sebner: should the revu-admins start looking for an extra hdd for revu? :)
[22:48] <ajmitch> sebner: because by then you should have cleared out the merge list & bug list?
[22:48] <geser> ajmitch: if we are that fast done with everything we could release it :)
[22:48] <sebner> It seems every know that I spammed u-u-s at hardy cycle a little little bit ^^
[22:50] <sebner> geser: I suck at packaging. I'll start with a small little app. may upload 2-3 more the next weeks/months. Then I'll get bored and will start spamming u-u-s again =)
[22:50] <ajmitch> what do you spam u-u-s with?
[22:51] <norsetto> sebner: marco rodriguez and william lima are also free game
[22:51] <sebner> ajmitch: merges and syncs =)
[22:51] <sebner> norsetto: hmm, sry?
[22:52] <norsetto> sebner: free merges/syncs
[22:52] <sebner> norsetto: did know. just about Luke ones
[22:52] <geser> norsetto: doesn't sebner already syncs/merges everything he can find on MoM?
[22:53] <sebner> geser: DaD. no. I just asked you ;) I'm doing nothing without asking ;)
[22:53]  * ajmitch spots another sync
[22:53]  * RoAkSoAx whishes to have time to do more merges :(
[22:54] <norsetto> sebner: how many uploads did you do already for intrepid?
[22:55] <sebner> norsetto: <10. :\ but if geser's ocaml things get synced ... ^^
[22:55] <ajmitch> more than I've done, obviously
[22:55] <norsetto> sebner: findlib? That was synced and there are about 40 packages waiting to be rebuilt
[22:56] <sebner> ajmitch: I would do merges but then I hear "Report back to Debian so we can sync (in 4 months -.-)
[22:56] <sebner> norsetto: ocaml, perl.10? boring :P
[22:57] <norsetto> geser: I did some today btw
[22:57] <geser> norsetto: I have seen it, I did some ocaml rebuilds too
[22:58] <geser> I also got libreadonly-{xs-,}perl synced, so the perl 5.10 transition can go on
[22:58] <norsetto> geser: great, we should be rid of it soon
[23:08] <norsetto> hehe, this is fun: http://core.joejaxx.net/~joejaxx/ircstats/freenode/ubuntu-motu/, especially "Some big numbers..."
[23:08] <joejaxx> lol
[23:08] <joejaxx> where did you find that?
[23:08] <siretart> wah, I'm on place 29
[23:09] <sebner> norsetto: what? only rank 42 xD I have to do something against it ^^
[23:09] <joejaxx> LOL "Hobbsee yells a lot! 620"
[23:09] <joejaxx> :P
[23:10] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[23:10] <mario_limonciell> i'm always disturbed when persia is listed in the most active people by time of day in all the columns :)
[23:11] <ajmitch> joejaxx: over what time period is that?
[23:11] <joejaxx> 750289 lines (460 days) parsed in 8 seconds
[23:11] <siretart> hey ajmitch!
[23:11] <joejaxx> :D
[23:11]  * ajmitch is disturbed to be in the top 5
[23:12] <sebner> ajmitch: \o/
[23:13] <joejaxx> haha
[23:13] <joejaxx> :
[23:13] <joejaxx> "No files? The package is empty?"
[23:13] <joejaxx> some of these quotes are extremely funny
[23:16] <mok0> joejaxx: I like this one: "I'm a little lost. This struct looks like a function." :-)
[23:16] <joejaxx> haha
[23:30] <norsetto> time to go, good night all
[23:46] <sebner> gn8