| [05:27] <DanaG> Random: http://www.driverheaven.net/insideati/index.htm | |
| [18:15] <Cimi> kwwii, ping | |
| [19:16] <kwwii> Cimi: pong | |
| [19:17] <kwwii> Cimi: I'm cooking my son dinner but will be checking irc every now and then | |
| [19:33] <Cimi> the murrine code is quite complete, I mean it could not be so complicated to get something similar to your mockups with transparency. The problem is that Gtk+ requires a patch to globally set a RGBA colormap, to enable transparency (and with transparency rounded menus and so on). | |
| [19:33] <Cimi> actually a guy is working on this, but I don't think we could get a patch for gtk before its freeze (one month). | |
| [19:34] <Cimi> I'm searching for a coder, maybe you know someone who can help us for the intrepid look | |
| [20:14] <kwwii> Cimi: wow, cool....with intrepid we can play a lot more with the code and probably include more last minute ideas...if we don't get rgba in in time, I guess there is little we can do about that | |
| [20:14] <kwwii> Cimi: have you talked to macslow about the rgba stuff? | |
| [20:14] <Cimi> just a bit | |
| [20:14] <kwwii> I imagine he might be able to help (or perhaps njpatel) | |
| [20:15] <Cimi> he seems to be busy with gdm | |
| [20:15] <kwwii> yeah, I can imagine | |
| [20:15] <kwwii> and niel is busy doing mobile stuff | |
| [20:15] <kwwii> maybe I should talk to seb and vincent and see what they think | |
| [20:15] <Cimi> if we can't propose the patches in time (july) we won't have something for intrepid | |
| [20:16] <Cimi> actually the problem is with the gtkstatusicons | |
| [20:16] <Cimi> because the current freedektop specification doesn't consider the possibility to use a RGBA colormap | |
| [20:17] <Cimi> and gtk, which is following this patch, will fail trough a Xorg Badmatch | |
| [20:17] <kwwii> ouch | |
| [20:17] <Cimi> so we should need to fix this, then few minor things | |
| [20:17] <Cimi> if someone like njpatel or mirco could work on this | |
| [20:18] <kwwii> I think we need to contract someone to take care of this stuff but it is really hard for me to convince mark without showing him something first | |
| [20:18] <Cimi> I think there no reason to doubt that we will reach to patch gtk in time | |
| [20:18] <Cimi> It's not something that require a contract | |
| [20:18] <Cimi> imho | |
| [20:19] <kwwii> well, if it were up to me I would throw money at you to code all the crack I can think up :p | |
| [20:19] <kwwii> lol | |
| [20:19] <Cimi> should not be difficult to do | |
| [20:19] <Cimi> lol | |
| [20:19] <kwwii> I'll send mirco, niel and yourself an email opening up this discussion, maybe one of them can find some time | |
| [20:20] <Cimi> I can't for sure | |
| [20:21] <Cimi> neil and mirco are already payed | |
| [20:21] <Cimi> so they can work on it, isn't it? | |
| [20:21] <kwwii> yeah, the main problem is that they are both working on projects which mark wants to see in intrepid so I am not sure how much time they will have | |
| [20:22] <kwwii> I might be able to talk niel into it even though he is not on the desktop team | |
| [20:22] <kwwii> he might do it in his spare time | |
| [20:23] <kwwii> I am putting a dark murrine theme together now and will put it in intrepid in a day or two | |
| [20:23] <kwwii> so maybe I can show that to mark, even as a mockup of it using transparency and convince him | |
| [20:24] <Cimi> kwwii, start using murrine from svn for your tests | |
| [20:24] <Cimi> I will make a development release in the middle of august | |
| [20:24] <kwwii> Cimi: which svn is it in? | |
| [20:24] <kwwii> and is there any instructions on building it or is it straight forward? | |
| [20:25] <kwwii> hrm, google doesn't seem to be much help in finding the svn | |
| [20:25] <Cimi> svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine && cd murrine && ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr && sudo make install | |
| [20:26] <Cimi> it will overwrite your murrine installation, uninstall the ubuntu deb | |
| [20:27] <kwwii> cool, thanks for the help | |
| [20:29] <Cimi> kwwii, gnome-system-monitor should be transparent | |
| [20:30] <Cimi> btw use of transparency highly depends on the blur effect of compiz | |
| [20:30] <Cimi> without it, transparency is unusable | |
| [20:31] <Cimi> there are a lot of new things in murrine which you might like | |
| [20:31] <Cimi> one is custom gradients for buttons and other widgets | |
| [20:31] <Cimi> gradients ={ 1,0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 } will define a flat theme for example | |
| [20:32] <kwwii> is there any info on tweaking the new stuff? | |
| [20:33] <Cimi> not actually | |
| [20:33] <Cimi> and maybe I will change few names... | |
| [20:33] <Cimi> btw the code explains better | |
| [20:34] <kwwii> hehe, use the code luke :-) | |
| [20:50] <giusef> hi all | |
| [20:51] <giusef> kwwii: I was working on that RGBA patch for GTK+ that Cimi told you before | |
| [20:52] <giusef> we had a bad issue with GtkStatusIcon, which seems won't work with RGBA colormaps | |
| [20:52] <giusef> the main problem is that | |
| [20:53] <giusef> forcing GtkStatusIcon with a RGBA colormap just to try, we had a small, not embedded, window with the tray icon inside | |
| [20:56] <kwwii> giusef: hrm, not that much of a hacker really | |
| [20:56] <kwwii> giusef: if you want to be part of the conversation around this at ubuntu, send me an email | |
| [20:58] <Cimi> kwwii, at the moment he is the guy that knows better than everyone else the issues | |
| [21:06] <kwwii> giusef: do you have any idea of what we would need to do to get it working right? | |
| [21:11] <giusef> kwwii: not really, atm | |
| [21:18] <kwwii> giusef: hrm, so how could I help you to get this stuff done (other than learn C)? | |
| [21:18] <kwwii> :-) | |
| [21:18] <giusef> lol | |
| [21:19] <Cimi> kwwii, maybe helping him contacting other devs | |
| [21:21] <kwwii> giusef, Cimi: right, I think that we should start off by having a discussion between anyone and everyone who has an idea of what needs to be done | |
| [21:21] <kwwii> giusef: my email is kwwii at ubuntu dot com, can you send me an email so I have your address? | |
| [21:21] <giusef> sure | |
| [21:22] <kwwii> cool, thanks | |
| [21:36] <andreasn> Cimi: was this issue brought up on gtk-devel list? | |
| [21:37] <Cimi> don't think so | |
| [21:37] <Cimi> you should ask giusef | |
| [21:37] <giusef> kwwii: sent | |
| [21:37] <andreasn> giusef: did you send any e-mail about this to gtk-devel-list? | |
| [21:38] <giusef> no, I was thinking about that | |
| [21:39] <andreasn> I think it would be a good idea, someone should probably be able to give you hints on how to get around your problems | |
| [21:40] <giusef> yeah | |
| [21:40] <giusef> I go to write | |
| [21:41] <andreasn> rockn! | |
| [22:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, speaking of rgba: the wallpaper settings (through Nautilus) should allow RGBA. | |
| [22:31] <DanaG> That'd let people use semitransparent backgrounds, or wholly transparent backgrounds. | |
| [22:37] <giusef> why a trasparent background? | |
| [22:38] <DanaG> It'd let me do things like having a transparent window into my compiz cube. | |
| [22:38] <DanaG> Or have a cool only-halfway-there side to the cube. | |
| [22:38] <Cimi> oh ugly and useless | |
| [22:39] <DanaG> No, it'd also let people use the different-wallpaper-per-side plugin. | |
| [22:39] <DanaG> That'd just need a 100% transparent wallpaper. | |
| [22:39] <DanaG> er, color. | |
| [22:39] <DanaG> It's only ugly if you use ugly images for it, | |
| [22:39] <DanaG> . | |
| [22:49] <darkmatter> the cube is useless for anything other than a 'wow' effect. imho the default view should be a 2x2 arrangement on a plane, not only does it offer more functionality, but it makes more sense | |
| [22:50] <Cimi> mmm | |
| [22:50] <Cimi> I'm for the 1x4 | |
| [22:51] <darkmatter> well, either way. all the desktops should be viewable on switch | |
| [22:51] <darkmatter> the reason I prefer 2x2 is less mouse travel | |
| [23:05] <DanaG> I like cube, myself. | |
| [23:05] <DanaG> Plus, it's amusing having fish inside it. | |
| [23:05] <Cimi> -.- | |
| [23:06] <Cimi> maybe we have a different ideas about what is a desktop | |
| [23:06] <DanaG> Yeah, I know I'm a bit silly sometimes. | |