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[00:03] <spiv> Peng: you can use branches to do the same thing as looms, but it's a lot more convenient with looms. |
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[00:03] <Peng> Okay. |
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[00:05] <spiv> igc: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/230550 |
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[00:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230550 in bzr "bzr+http repeatedly queries the wrong location for BzrDir.find_repositoryV2" [Critical,Confirmed] |
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[01:04] <igc> bbiab |
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[03:11] * igc lunch |
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[04:17] <lifeless> hey guyes |
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[04:18] <lifeless> spiv: ah good, you found the bug report :) |
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[04:22] <igc> hi lifeless |
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[04:33] <spiv> lifeless: yep :) |
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[05:34] <lifeless> spiv: -> food, but happy to discuss later if you need to chat about it |
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[05:40] * igc pick up kids - bbian |
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[06:13] <lifeless> spiv: back; so how is that bug going ? |
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[06:15] <spiv> lifeless: _SmartClient._base is getting out of sync with _SmartClient._medium's URL |
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[06:15] <spiv> lifeless: so it appears that the client/medium sharing logic in RemoteBzrDir isn't quite right. |
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[06:15] <lifeless> spiv: excelennt; that was my suspicion :) |
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[08:01] <vila> lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13090/ |
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[08:01] <vila> Note that the http benchmark spend 212 seconds waiting for a 502 Bad gateway. So subtract that. |
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[08:02] <vila> After the substraction I can't see huge differences so I'm wondering about wether there is such a discrepancy between sftp and http. |
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[08:03] <uniscript> how do I bzr ignore .svn directories? |
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[08:03] <vila> In other words, either the kenisson (sp?) experiment was flawed or I need better info on how to reproduce it. |
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[08:03] <bob2_> "bzr ignore .svn" doesn't cut it? |
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[08:04] <uniscript> I get errors with the bzr-svn plugin |
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[08:04] <uniscript> with bzr add . |
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[08:04] <uniscript> tries to do a PROPFIND |
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[08:05] <uniscript> bzr add --dry-run -v . |
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[08:05] <uniscript> bzr: ERROR: libsvn._core.SubversionException: ("PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/repos/keith/DocCharConvert/trunk/DocCharConvert'", 175002) |
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[08:05] <spiv> vila: you mean Kinnison? |
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[08:06] <vila> spiv: yeah! Thanks. Thanks for your review and invalidating my bug report too ;-) |
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[08:06] <vila> Kinnison: apologies for the typo, I need another coffee :) |
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[08:08] <spiv> vila: You're welcome :) |
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[08:08] <spiv> vila: that's the easy part compared to actually fixing a bug :) |
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[08:09] <spiv> vila: I had a quick look at it when it was reported and couldn't see what was needed, but you made the solution look pretty easy. |
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[08:11] <vila> spiv: yeah, I had a wtf moment when realizing that _post wasn't calling _raise_curl_http_error and then another when I realized that _post wasn't using accepted_errors, that made the bug quite subtle |
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[08:11] <vila> but overall, I'm gulty of not working more on the hpss ;-) |
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[08:13] <spiv> If _post isn't reusing stuff that it should, then it would be great to fix that :) |
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[08:14] <poolie> i'm going to do a couple of reviews of ian's work then call it a day |
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[08:16] <vila> spiv: now that I can write tests, I may as well refactor _post, I think we shouldn't annex _post just for the smart server when we already have send_http_smart_request... |
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[08:16] <spiv> vila: that sounds good. |
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[08:16] <vila> ... even if that means having two send_http_smart_request implementations ;-) |
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[08:17] <spiv> vila: although I'd be tempted to land a short-term fix first, before embarking on a bigger change |
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[08:17] <spiv> Depends on how quickly you can do the proper fix :) |
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[08:19] <gour> is anyone using fish shell? (there is no tab-completion for bzr :-( |
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[08:21] <lifeless> vila: is your http cached perhaps ? |
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[08:21] <lifeless> vila: kinnison is usually quite good ;P |
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[08:22] <vila> lifeless: no cache here, never, pipe is big enough (which explains why I'm so bad at undersanding squid issues and high latencies problems ;) |
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[08:23] <gour> hmm, it looks that bash-completion is also not up to date :-/ |
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[08:24] <vila> lifeless: I don't doubt Kinnison, it's just that I can't reproduce ;-) |
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[08:25] <vila> Kinnison: when you come back, let's discuss a bit, I'd be interested in some stats via the transportstats plugin |
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[08:25] <visik7> I'm new to vcs, I would using it to fork my project to have 2 version: one for experimental purpose the other for production |
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[08:27] <visik7> but before this I've some questions: |
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[08:27] <visik7> 1st: I've a so called "projects" folder |
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[08:28] <visik7> is more logical to put the dir under a unique bzr branch or to create a bzr branch for each project ? |
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[08:28] <Peng> The latter. |
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[08:30] <visik7> 2nd: how can I fork my project ? should I use the switch command ? |
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[08:32] <poolie> visik7: use 'bzr branch production experimental' |
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[08:32] <poolie> well |
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[08:32] <poolie> first put your code in a directory called eg 'production' |
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[08:32] <poolie> then that will create another copy of it called experimental |
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[08:33] <visik7> and when I need to merge some or all the code from experimantal to production ? |
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[08:35] <jamesh> visik7: the workflow I usually use is to develop features on their own branches |
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[08:35] <jamesh> this makes it easy to merge them on their own |
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[08:38] <visik7> jamesh: so no split the code into 2 dirs ? becouse I would to continue to develop on devel and production as well |
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[08:38] <visik7> maybe I've not understand your workflow |
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[08:39] <visik7> :( |
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[08:43] <bob2_> merging only part of one branch into another is a bit problematic (in bzr at the moment) |
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[08:57] <Kinnison> vila: hi, bug me when you're around and we can discuss |
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[09:00] <igc> night all |
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[09:00] <vila> Kinnison: installing stuff on a windows machine in parallel, let's discuss |
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[09:01] <Kinnison> okies |
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[09:01] <Kinnison> So what are you after me for? |
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[09:02] <vila> lifeless told me you were observing different behaviors between sftp and http regarding bandwidth usage. I can reproduce it. Can you tell me more about your experiment ? |
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[09:02] <vila> grr, s/can reproduce/can't reproduce/ |
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[09:03] <spiv> vila: I make that typo lots too. |
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[09:04] <vila> broadcast: read my mind while I'm using windows |
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[09:08] <Kinnison> vila: sure, let me prep, I've reinstalled my PC since then. |
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[09:09] <vila> ok |
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[09:09] <Kinnison> Okay, so here's the deal, when I did the test, I was branching bzr.dev over my 'net connection which is a 10Mbit cable service from my Colo box which has plenty of bandwidth and reasonable enough CPU etc. |
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[09:11] <Kinnison> Now, this is plain http (I.E. not smart) and it seemed to take around twice (wallclock) that of sftp |
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[09:12] <Kinnison> I have an http_proxy set, which is on my local network to my seriously overpowered core server which runs a reasonably well configured squid |
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[09:12] <Kinnison> Now when it's fetching the packs, the HTTP fill the 1.2MB/s |
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[09:13] <Kinnison> But once it's on to the smaller files, it slows down dramatically |
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[09:14] <Kinnison> As though it's not pipelining or something |
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[09:14] <spiv> Kinnison: (btw, I've seen the opposite effect: a bug in the way some versions of squid handle "Range: 0-..." request causing fetching of data from packs to be extremely slow) |
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[09:14] <Kinnison> This is an initial branch |
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[09:15] <Kinnison> so presumably it fetches the whole pack, no? |
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[09:15] <spiv> Depends on the pack. |
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[09:15] <Kinnison> oh |
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[09:15] <spiv> e.g. if it's shared repo |
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[09:15] <Kinnison> standalone branch |
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[09:15] <spiv> There will almost certainly be revisions in there you don't need, so bzr won't fetch the whole pack. |
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[09:16] * Kinnison runs the branch again to re-time |
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[09:16] <visik7> bob2_: are other vcs less problematic with this kind of usage ? |
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[09:16] <Kinnison> since last one got moosed by presence of updatedb |
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[09:17] <vila> Kinnison: Wait ! Can you do that with the transportstats plugin installed and prefix your urls with 'stats+' ? |
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[09:17] <Kinnison> where do I get that plugin? |
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[09:17] <vila> as I did in http://paste.ubuntu.com/13090/ |
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[09:18] <vila> bzr branch lp:~vila/bzr/transportstats |
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[09:20] <bob2_> visik7: I'm not sure. jamesh was suggesting that you develop each feature in different branch, then you can choose which whole branch to merge into production or experimental |
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[09:21] <visik7> bob2_: I think that will drive me crazy 'couse I would use this as a one man developer tool |
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[09:21] <visik7> :) |
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[09:21] <Kinnison> vila: running the http branch now |
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[09:23] <vila> Kinnison: You said "seemed to take around twice (wallclock)", so we may not be dealing with bandwidth problems here... |
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[09:25] <vila> Regarding the transportstats plugin, it creates a '.transport_stats_for_bzr' file cumulating the operations measured, so let's try to be clean about how we use it, i.e. run your operations in different directories as much as possible |
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[09:29] <vila> .. or alternatively and surely easier for you rename the file between each operation when necessary |
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[09:29] <Kinnison> okay, how do I get the stats for this op? |
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[09:30] <visik7> ops |
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[09:34] <poolie> night |
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[09:38] <vila> Kinnison: bzr ts-display |
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[09:39] <sabdfl> visik7: it's actually nice to work on features separately |
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[09:39] <sabdfl> you can merge them if two features become interdependent |
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[09:42] <visik7> sabdfl: someone point me to hg queues |
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[09:42] <Kinnison> vila: http://rafb.net/p/D4vKEA23.html |
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[09:43] <Kinnison> vila: woah, that's huge latency |
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[09:43] * Kinnison tries the same op again, without the http proxy |
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[09:43] <Kinnison> For reference, that took 4:29.06 wallclock to branch bzr.dev |
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[09:43] <sabdfl> visik7: i think you'll find independent branches better, it's easier to keep track of the thread of development of each feature |
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[09:43] <sabdfl> but, try everything |
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[09:44] <vila> Kinnison: Beware! It's not your usual latency, that's the "real" latency as measured between when we send a request and when we receive the response, not to be confused with ping |
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[09:44] <visik7> sabdfl: and on #git they told me that "you can cherry-pick every commit you want from one branch to another" |
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[09:44] <Kinnison> vila: indeed, hence it seems huge |
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[09:44] <Kinnison> considering my average ping time is 15ms |
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[09:44] <vila> ouch, yes, that's huge |
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[09:45] * Kinnison tries without squid now |
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[09:45] <visik7> sabdfl: I wouldn't to start with a vcs to realize that don't do what I look for |
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[09:45] <vila> you can try 'bzr ts-display -v' but be prepared to receive a huge output |
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[09:47] <sabdfl> visik7: i'm sure every tool has a way to achieve your goal |
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[09:47] <vila> Kinnison: do you know if you use the pycurl or the urllib based implementation ? |
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[09:47] <sabdfl> my recommendation would be to setup a share repo, with branches in directories under that |
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[09:47] <Kinnison> I haven't a clue, this is a fresh hardy install, with bzr.dev |
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[09:47] <sabdfl> have a trunk branch, then branches for each of the features you are working on |
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[09:47] <sabdfl> you can merge the features into trunk when they are ready |
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[09:47] <sabdfl> works really well for me |
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[09:47] <vila> try 'import pycurl', if it's there it's used |
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[09:47] <Kinnison> vila: right, without squid in the way, it takes 2:24 wallclock with an average latency of 420ms |
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[09:48] <visik7> sabdfl: thanks for the advice |
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[09:48] <sabdfl> sure |
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[09:49] <Kinnison> vila: not present |
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[09:49] <vila> hmmm, squid playing tricks again :-/ Yet 420 seems still huge, let me check from here (you branched from lp:bzr ?) |
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[09:49] <Kinnison> No, from my server |
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[09:49] <vila> Kinnison: good, so you're using the urllib based one |
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[09:49] <Kinnison> since I can monitor that and be sure it's not overloaded when I do the trials |
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[09:49] <Kinnison> :-) |
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[09:49] <vila> Kinnison: apache ? |
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[09:50] <Kinnison> Zeus |
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[09:50] <Kinnison> (very high performance web server) |
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[09:50] <vila> Kinnison: I don't know that one :-/ |
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[09:51] <Kinnison> SFTP is 1:53.21 wallclock with 107ms average latency |
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[09:51] <vila> let start again then, let's forget stats, there is chances that Zeus does not handle range requests as we want, try 'bzr branch -Dhttp' and mail me the relevant .log |
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[09:52] <Kinnison> where does the .log end up? |
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[09:52] <vila> sftp/ 1.53, http/2.24, that's more reasonable |
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[09:52] <vila> bzr version will tell you, but on linux it's ~/.bzr.log |
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[09:52] <Kinnison> I'll clear that down first then |
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[09:52] <vila> you can delete it before |
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[09:52] <vila> z:) |
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[09:52] <vila> Kinnison: perfect |
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[09:53] <Kinnison> branching -Dhttp now |
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[09:53] <vila> great |
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[09:56] <uniscript> I dimly remember there is a way to disable plugins for a bzr command? |
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[09:57] <vila> uniscript: bzr --no-plugins |
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[09:57] <uniscript> ta |
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[10:00] <Kinnison> vila: http://www.digital-scurf.org/files/http-proxied-debug.log |
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[10:00] <Kinnison> vila: http://www.digital-scurf.org/files/http-direct-debug.log |
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[10:02] <Kinnison> vila: of use? |
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[10:02] <vila> Kinnison: just downloaded, let me look :) |
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[10:02] <Kinnison> for reference, that http-direct took 1:54.8 and the http proxied took 4:06.67 |
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[10:08] <vila> the proxied one seems to choke on some very big range requests, triggering a retry that is accepted |
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[10:09] <vila> the timings appears in the log, I need more time for a more precise analysis, I'll kept you informed |
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[10:09] <Kinnison> Okay, be sure to prefix with my name, I'll go off to do other things and i'll come back if this window goes red :-) |
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[10:10] <vila> Kinnison: ok, it may not be today though, tonight at best (i.e. in ~10 hours) |
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[10:10] <Kinnison> Heh, okay, I'll try and spot in scrollback |
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[10:12] <vila> Kinnison: But one important thing already: Zeus seems to happily handle our range requests, so comparing sftp with zeus-not-proxied should be relevant in terms of relative performances *today* |
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[10:14] <visik7> sabdfl: I realized that maybe multibranch is a little bit complicated for the task that I want to acheeve: I have a project, I want to "fork" it and develop 2 different version, but only one feature is in the new branch, I would keep the 2 branch synced is it possible ? |
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[10:14] <visik7> sabdfl: sorry if I bother you |
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[10:20] <jml> hi |
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[10:20] <jml> statik: sorry about the plugin name thing. |
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[10:27] <mwhudson> jml: hello! |
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[10:27] <mwhudson> jml: how is europe? |
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[10:31] <jml> mwhudson: europe is wonderful and european. |
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[10:31] <jml> mwhudson: I wish I could spend more time here |
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[10:32] <mwhudson> jml: are you going to get out of the city at all? |
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[10:33] <jml> mwhudson: unlikely. |
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[10:33] <jml> mwhudson: it'll take a fair bit of effort to make sure I see the city, in fact. |
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[10:34] <mwhudson> jml: :/ |
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[10:34] <mwhudson> at least prague is worth seeing |
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[10:34] <jml> mwhudson: *nod* |
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[10:34] <mwhudson> (i hear, not been there myself) |
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[10:34] <jml> mwhudson: it is. |
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[10:34] <jml> mwhudson: also, I think that the pubs here rival and perhaps best English pubs |
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[10:34] <mwhudson> heh |
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[10:35] <jml> mwhudson: oh btw, I read _Rob Roy_ on the flight over. |
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[10:35] <jml> I want to go to Scotland now. |
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[10:35] <mwhudson> i've seen his grave, i think |
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[10:35] <mwhudson> rob roy is wallace? |
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[10:36] <mwhudson> er, scott |
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[10:36] <jml> yes. |
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[10:36] <lifeless> poolie: hi; I may have come across badly in my latest email |
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[10:37] <lifeless> poolie: please forgive :) |
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[10:38] <mwhudson> jml: scotland is well worth seeing |
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[10:38] <ToyKeeper> visik7: You might want http://bazaar-vcs.org/Rebase |
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[10:38] <mwhudson> the valley containing the church where rob roy's grave is is beautiful |
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[10:39] <mwhudson> jml: http://www.lochsidecottages.co.uk/Image8.jpg for example |
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[10:42] <jml> mwhudson: yeah. indeed. |
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[10:42] <lifeless> visik7: all you need to do is merge from one brancht o the other on a regular bssis |
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[10:42] <lifeless> visik7: this sort of synchronisation is the reason bzr exists :) - its core functionality |
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[10:46] <ToyKeeper> visik7: bzr rebase and git-rebase and hg patch queues are all very similar... but it's better not to use them if you don't really need to. |
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[10:58] <ToyKeeper> visik7: Er, the rebase features basically help you work around certain problems... but why work around a problem when you can avoid it entirely? |
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[10:58] <visik7> ToyKeeper: how ? |
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[10:59] <ToyKeeper> If you have write access to the main branch, there is probably no need to maintain a stack of patches separate from the trunk. |
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[11:01] <ToyKeeper> But if upstream is read-only, and you have extensive local changes which upstream won't accept, 'rebase' features can help you keep your local patches up to date. |
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[11:02] <visik7> follow my reasoning: I've a project up and running, I would develop new features on a parallel brench keep syncing with the "trunk" and I need to develop new features also on trunk |
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[11:03] <visik7> so rebasing or merging seems the right solution isn't it? |
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[11:03] <ToyKeeper> In that case, regular merging should be fine. That's what bzr is best at. |
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[11:03] <visik7> so I've not understood the difference between merge and rebase |
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[11:04] <ToyKeeper> Merging is the normal process in bzr. You can push/pull/branch/merge freely. |
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[11:05] <ToyKeeper> Rebase is for pretty specific types of use. |
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[11:05] <ToyKeeper> For example, you get foo-1.3.tar.gz, unpack it, and make changes... then foo-1.4.tar.gz is released. |
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[11:05] <ToyKeeper> 'foo' is not in bzr, but your patches are. |
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[11:06] <ToyKeeper> Rebase makes it easier to take your foo-1.3 patches and make them work on foo-1.4. |
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[11:07] <visik7> I got it |
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[11:10] <spiv> visik7: rebase writes a new history for a branch |
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[11:10] <spiv> visik7: which is detrimental to regular merging |
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[11:14] <visik7> thank you guys for all those infos, time to dive into bzr |
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[11:14] <visik7> see you soon |
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[11:34] <brilliantnut> spiv: I see that you have a fix for bug 230550 ... does this means it goes into 1.6? |
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[11:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230550 in bzr "bzr+http repeatedly queries the wrong location for BzrDir.find_repositoryV2" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230550 |
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[11:34] <spiv> brilliantnut: yes |
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[11:36] <brilliantnut> hmm, and is there a chance that I can try it out before? |
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[11:36] <brilliantnut> I have a branch off bzr.dev, if it makes a difference... |
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[11:40] <spiv> brilliantnut: it's a work in progress, but I just registered the branch in LP and linked it to that bug |
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[11:40] <spiv> brilliantnut: http://people.ubuntu.com/~andrew/bzr/bug-230550 is the URL |
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[13:01] <Peng> What would cause .bzr/repository/lock/foo.tmp/info to be left behind from months ago, but not be causing problems when trying to push? |
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[13:17] <lifeless> Peng: that is a tmp file used when obtaining/releasing a lock, not an actual lock |
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[13:19] <statik> jml, no apologies needed for the plugin name, thanks for writing a useful plugin! |
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[14:08] <dennda> Hi. I have settings.py under version control but want to ignore it from now on, without removing it (it's values change from machine to machine.) How do I do that? |
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[14:12] <thekorn> dennda, bzr remove --keep <yourfile> |
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[14:12] <thekorn> bzr ignore <yourefile> |
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[14:13] <thekorn> that's at least what I would do in such a case |
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[14:18] <dennda> thekorn: thanks :) |
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[16:21] <siretart> jelmer: hi. would you please commit your latest bzr_1.5-1 upload to debian to bzr.debian.org? TIA! |
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[16:30] <dato> siretart: are you going to upload bzr to backports? |
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[16:36] <siretart> dato: I have just merged bzrtools, and wanted to prepare an bzr upload, so yes |
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[16:37] <siretart> preparing in the sense of building and publishing it on gluck, and having it ready to be uploaded as soon as stuff transitions to testing |
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[16:37] <dato> ah; I've been asked a backport of 1.3.1, that's why I asked |
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[16:48] <demod> hi |
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[17:46] <lifeless> jam: ping |
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[17:51] <lifeless> jam: unping, have test passing remoind me sometime to discuss write_revision_to_string with you |
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[18:02] <vila> 1.5 has been released ? Or is it still in rc ? |
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[18:02] <vila> lp doesn't have 1.5 series defined (hence the question) |
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[18:02] <vila> lp doesn't have 1.6 series defined (hence the question) |
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[18:02] <vila> grr |
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[18:02] <beuno> vila, it's been released, yes |
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[18:03] <vila> 1.6 serie or 1.6 milestone, I'm unclear about the vocabulary, but I need the later for marking a bug as released |
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[18:04] <vila> beuno: thks |
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[18:05] <pickscrape> Would I be right in thinking that 1.6 is going to be quite an exciting release? |
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[18:05] <jam> vila: if we don't have 1.6 marked, I'll go do it |
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[18:06] <jam> we certainly should have a milestone for it |
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[18:06] <jam> and possibly a release series |
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[18:06] <vila> jam: thanks |
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[18:07] <jam> vila: we now have both a release series and a milestone for 1.6 |
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[18:07] <vila> jam: faster than light ;-) |
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[18:07] <jam> In the past, a lot of milestones were based on 'trunk' rather than a specific release series, but the last few have been on the series |
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[18:07] <jam> so I kept it that way |
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[18:08] <jam> vila: it isn't too hard when you've done it several times :) It is a bit tricky when you don't know where to look |
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[18:08] <jam> (like that milestones aren't against the project, they are against 1 release series, etc) |
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[18:09] <jam> man I hate that 'series' has no plural form, and that its singular form *looks* plural |
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[18:09] <jam> stupid English |
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[18:09] <pickscrape> sheep |
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[18:09] <jam> vila: is it any better in French? |
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[18:09] <vila> is that described in the how-do-I-make-a-new-release doc ? I'm under the impression that starting the new release is always a bit ... delayed |
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[18:10] <jam> pickscrape: sure, but at least sheep and moose don't look plural, goose geese is always bad |
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[18:10] <vila> jam: no, in french serie is singular, series is pluaral |
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[18:10] <vila> plural even |
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[18:10] <vila> but we have temps (time) which is both singular and plural |
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[18:11] <vila> and surely a few others, my gf is far better than me in french grammar, I specialized early in computer languages grammars and forget about the rest :) |
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[18:11] <jam> vila: time as in 'occurrence' or time as in "clock" ? |
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[18:12] <vila> time as in clock and weather and music |
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[18:12] <vila> :) |
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[18:13] <jam> vila: I always wondered about time as in weather, as spanish has the same thing (Tiempo) |
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[18:13] <jam> Hace tiempo hay (or something like that) is how is the weather |
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[18:14] <jam> Que tiempo hace ? |
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[18:14] <jam> man my spanish is bad |
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[18:14] <beuno> jam, que tiempo hace is pretty good :) |
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[18:16] <vila> my daughterS also suggest: nez (nose), souris (mouse), vers (rhyme) |
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[18:16] <vila> tapis (carpet) and generally all words ending with 's' :) |
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[18:17] <vila> gee, the things they learn at school today.... |
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[18:18] <vila> jam: funny, time passing express both the clockl and the weather for me... |
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[18:18] <jam> vila: sure, as an English person they seem very different, but I think most Latin languages mix them |
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[18:20] <jam> Just that "what time is it" is very different to me than "how is the weather" |
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[18:21] <jam> In arabic, they actually ask "Which hour is it" |
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[18:21] <jam> vila: to your earlier question, the "mark a new series" may be in the release documents, but they are also rather long |
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[18:21] <jam> There are quite a few steps, and it is pretty easy to miss some |
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[18:22] <jam> I think we have to register the release in about 4+ different places (freshmeat, pypi, Bazaar home page, bazaar-announce@, etc) |
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[18:23] <jam> Also, if it isn't there I just create one |
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[18:23] <jam> NEWS bothers me more |
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[18:23] <jam> because you have to wait for it to merge to mainline, and then merge it back into your simple bugfix branch |
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[18:24] <jam> or run into merge conflicts because 2 people created the new NEWS section |
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[18:25] <vila> yeah, we have less conflicts in NEWS since we sort it inside each section, but still... |
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[18:27] <jam> vila: right, especially after a release when all the sections are empty |
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[18:27] <vila> "what time is it" and "how is the weather" *are* also different in french, yet, in a movie, I often saw clouds moving faster than normal used to represent some time passing, that's the image I was referring to |
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[18:28] <vila> jam: exactly :) Got bitten recently :) |
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[18:28] <jam> vila: that is very common in movies, but I only view it as time sped up, you can do it with people walking fast, clock hands spinning quickly, etc |
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[18:29] <jam> actually, I think one of the downsides is that we are slightly more likely to merge something into an "old" release |
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[18:29] <jam> when it used to conflict all the time, you would fix it and put it in the right location |
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[18:29] <jam> now older patches can quietly claim to fix old releases |
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[18:30] <vila> jam: Yeah, I'm always afraid of that when working in long lived branches :-/ |
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[18:31] <vila> and I'm quite surprised I never made a mistake there (or may be I did and nobody noticed :-( ) |
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[18:31] <jam> vila: I *try* to be careful when I merge. And certainly for a release we should do "bzr diff -r branch:../last-release" |
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[18:32] <jam> One thing I actually snuck in on this release were tags for '1.5rc1' and '1.5' final |
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[18:32] <jam> though they didn't seem to propogate to bzr.dev for some reason |
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[18:32] <jam> propagate |
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[18:33] <lifeless> woo |
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[18:33] <lifeless> .revisions and .signatures in use, no more _revision_store |
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[18:33] <lifeless> all tests passing |
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[18:33] <lifeless> jam: quirk for you |
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[18:33] <jam> lifeless: what was your 'write_revision_string' comment? |
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[18:33] <lifeless> jam: in repository.get_revision_xml |
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[18:33] <vila> go go... go lifeless go go :) |
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[18:34] <lifeless> jam: if you change it from using a stringIO to do _serializer.write_revision_to_string(), the non_ascii tests fail |
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[18:35] <jam> lifeless: I *think* that is a bug in cElementTree.tostring versus ElementTree.write(f, 'utf-8') |
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[18:35] <jam> lifeless: not sure, though |
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[18:36] <jam> lifeless: you have to pass 'encoding=XXX' to tostring() |
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[18:37] <jam> so I think you need |
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[18:37] <jam> === modified file 'bzrlib/xml_serializer.py' |
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[18:37] <jam> --- bzrlib/xml_serializer.py 2008-03-28 02:10:23 +0000 |
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[18:37] <jam> +++ bzrlib/xml_serializer.py 2008-05-19 17:36:50 +0000 |
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[18:37] <jam> @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ |
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[18:37] <jam> self._write_element(self._pack_revision(rev), f) |
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[18:37] <jam> def write_revision_to_string(self, rev): |
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[18:37] <jam> - return tostring(self._pack_revision(rev)) + '\n' |
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[18:37] <jam> + return tostring(self._pack_revision(rev), encoding='utf-8') + '\n' |
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[18:37] <jam> def read_revision(self, f): |
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[18:37] <jam> return self._unpack_revision(self._read_element(f)) |
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[18:37] <jam> lifeless: that is my guess, at least |
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[18:39] <jam> lifeless: is get_revision_xml() used in anger anywhere? I think it used to be the basis for get_revision() but now it is defined in terms of get_revision |
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[18:39] <gour> where can one see what do you cook for 1.6? |
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[18:39] <gour> to, at least, smell it a bit |
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[18:39] <lifeless> bzr.dev |
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[18:41] <gour> lifeless: i did not mean to 'cook', just to smell ;) |
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[18:42] <lifeless> yes,I understand |
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[18:51] <LeoNerd> bzr tags --help suggests a --sort=ARG argument, but doesn't give a hint on what ARG can be |
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[18:53] <lifeless> LeoNerd: ugh, indeed |
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[18:53] <jam> lifeless: this is the bug with option formatting |
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[18:53] <jam> where someone wanted a flag to always be true |
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[18:53] <jam> but that allows "--foo" isntead of just "--sort=foo" |
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[18:53] <jam> And the person who wrote the first patch didn't step up to fix the help formatter |
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[18:54] <jam> so that you can get the sub-info when the setup is False |
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[18:54] <jam> I don't remember the specific variables |
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[18:55] <dato> the person that wrote the first patch provided an initial patch to fix the help formatter which went uncommented :P |
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[18:56] <dato> but at this point I guess it may be time to do what somebody proposed on the list a bit ago: use value_switch=True everywhere... |
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[18:57] <jam> dato: but that allows '--foo' which isn't what we want |
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[18:57] <jam> bzr tags --date |
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[18:57] <jam> rather than 'bzr tags --sort=date' |
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[18:58] <dato> particularly, isn't what *I* wanted. I couldn't stand the idea of tags --date, so that's why I used value_switch=False, knowing the options would be undocumented... |
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[18:59] <jam> anyway /away lunch |
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[19:22] <TheSheep> Hello. I want to a vcs for storing versioned data in my python app. Would it be easy to import some part of bazaar and use it internally? Does bazaar require a working tree to really exist on the disk? |
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[19:23] <TheSheep> s/a vcs/use a vcs |
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[19:23] <jelmer> TheSheep: you should be able to use the VersionedFile API |
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[19:23] <jelmer> TheSheep: If you use the Knit implementation it would just create two files on disk (one for the index, one for the actual data) |
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[19:25] <TheSheep> jelmer: the thing is, I want to make the commits from different users in the app look like commits from different branches, without having to physically create a copy of the repository |
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[19:29] <lifeless> jelmer: there is no VersionedFile api once my branch lands :P |
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[19:29] <lifeless> TheSheep: yes you can do that |
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[19:29] <jelmer> TheSheep: ah, ok. I misunderstood then |
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[19:29] <lifeless> TheSheep: we do it ourselves in the test suite using MemoryTree's |
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[19:30] <TheSheep> great |
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[19:30] <TheSheep> thank you |
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[19:55] <TheSheep> hmm... so memorytree.get_file will create a StringIO object, or will it actually create a file somewhere in the filesystem? |
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[20:29] <Pilky> if I create a project on launchpad, does that automatically create a bazaar repo that I then just have to push my initial branch to? |
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[20:30] <beuno> Pilky, you just have to push |
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[20:30] <beuno> it creates it when you push |
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[20:30] <Pilky> cool, thanks |
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[20:38] <beuno> http://kubasik.net/blog/2008/05/19/bazaar-and-its-rockage/ |
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[20:38] <beuno> :) |
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[20:53] <Pilky> beuno: I think one of the biggest benefits of bazaar is that it isn't built upon the idea that there is "one true way"™ of doing things |
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[20:53] <LeoNerd> bazaar is the mechanism, not the policy |
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[20:53] <beuno> Pilky, yes, they really got that right... |
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[20:53] <Pilky> the fact that you can get all the benefits of centralised and all the benefits of distributed as and when you need them is pretty damn useful |
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[20:55] <Pilky> though to be honest, having a disk image installer for OS X with a really nice background is what got me most ;) |
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[20:55] <Pilky> I'm a sucker for the little things |
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[20:55] <beuno> hahah |
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[20:56] <beuno> that's the benefits of a great community :) |
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[20:56] <gour> can one use some of launchpad features by not sharing the code? we would like to work on something before opening it to the public...you know that: "premature forking is the root of all evil " :-) |
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[20:57] <beuno> gour, well, can can *not* upload the code |
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[20:57] <beuno> I don't know how that works along the lines of policy, but it's certainly possible |
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[20:58] <gour> ok, then we might wait a bit before using launchpad by using our own roundup tracker |
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[20:59] <beuno> gour, if it's going to be open source, I don't see a problem with it at all |
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[21:00] <Pilky> hmm, ok, I think I might be a little confused by --no-trees... my branch doesn't seem to want to let me do anything |
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[21:01] <gour> beuno: it will be, of course, open-source, most probably GPL |
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[21:01] <Pilky> what exactly is the benefit of --no-trees, besides being able to put branches in branches? |
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[21:01] <beuno> gour, than I'd say go for it |
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[21:01] <gour> Pilky: i read in the user-reference about using --no-trees and then switching checkouts around |
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[21:01] <gour> beuno: cool. thanks |
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[21:06] <Pilky> ah, I think I understand it now, --no-trees is for when you're not working on something, just when you're hosting it and don't need the extra editing related stuff |
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[21:12] <sabdfl> Pilky: yes, exactly |
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[21:12] <sabdfl> on my laptop, i have a directory ~/foo/ which is a repository of branches of foo |
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[21:12] <sabdfl> so ~/foo/trunk and ~/foo/feature1 and ~/foo/feature2 |
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[21:13] <sabdfl> and each of those branches has all the files in it |
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[21:13] <sabdfl> so i can just cd into the branch, and work / hack / merge / commit |
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[21:13] <sabdfl> on a server, i have a repo ~/foo-storage/ |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> and i have setup my ~/.bazaar/locations.conf so that i can automatically push a branch to the server |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> just cd ~/foo/feature1; bzr push |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> and it automatically goes to the server ~/foo-storage/feature1 |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> and creates that branch on the server if it does not yet exist |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> but on the server i don't need the "working directory" |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> just the revision history |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> so that's a --no-trees repo |
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[21:14] <sabdfl> make sense? |
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[21:15] <Pilky> yeah |
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[21:15] <sabdfl> it's really easy to setup |
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[21:15] <Pilky> was just a little confused by a bit of the documentation that says that Bazaar recommends using --no-trees, but looking at it now I see that it relates to shared repositories |
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[21:15] <sabdfl> in ~/.bazaar.conf: |
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[21:16] <sabdfl> [/home/mark/foo] |
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[21:16] <visik7> good evening |
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[21:16] <sabdfl> public_branch = bzr+ssh://server.my.com/home/mark/foo-storage |
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[21:16] <visik7> I can't figure out the difference between init and init-repo |
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[21:17] <sabdfl> push_location = bzr+ssh://server.my.com/home/mark/foo-storage |
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[21:17] <visik7> I've a project without any vcs |
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[21:17] <sabdfl> push_location:policy = appendpath |
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[21:17] <sabdfl> and voila |
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[21:17] <Pilky> sabdfl: cool, thanks |
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[21:17] <sabdfl> np |
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[21:17] <Pilky> visik7: I had that problem yesterday, let's see if I can explain it |
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[21:17] <sabdfl> visik7: init-repo gives you a shared repo |
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[21:17] <sabdfl> go ahead Pilky :-) |
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[21:17] <gour> Pilky: see this "Another possible use for a checkout is to use it with a treeless repository containing your branches, where you maintain only one working tree by switching the master branch that the checkout points to when you want to work on a different branch." |
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[21:18] <visik7> Pilky: you have my attention |
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[21:18] <Pilky> visik7: if you use init-repo it creates a shared repository for all revision info |
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[21:18] <Pilky> then you use init to create a branch |
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[21:18] <Pilky> and essentially all that is stored in that branch are the revision numbers |
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[21:19] <Pilky> which reduces disk space and improve performance |
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[21:19] <visik7> Pilky: so if I need to devel my proj splitting and merging a repo is better than a branch |
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[21:20] <Pilky> well, no, you're developing in a branch, the repo is just a sort of efficient container for many branches |
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[21:20] <sabdfl> if you will have lots of branches of the same code, then use a shared repo |
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[21:20] <sabdfl> make a directory structure like this: |
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[21:20] <sabdfl> - repodir |
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[21:20] <visik7> but if I've already started a branch how can I import it into a repo ? |
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[21:20] <sabdfl> - branch 1 |
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[21:20] <sabdfl> - branch 2 |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> - branch 3 |
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[21:21] <Pilky> visik7: branch it off into the repo |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> that's each |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> mkdir ~/my-repo |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> cd ~/my-repo |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> bzr init-repo |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> then bzr branch ~/path/to/branch branch |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> you will then have: |
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[21:21] <sabdfl> ~/my-repo |
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[21:22] <sabdfl> [this is where the revisions are all stored, shared, in .bzr] |
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[21:22] <sabdfl> ~/my-repo/branch |
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[21:22] <sabdfl> [this is where the working files for this branch are] |
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[21:22] <sabdfl> and you can make a second branch by going: |
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[21:22] <sabdfl> cd ~/my-repo |
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[21:22] <sabdfl> bzr branch branch new-branch |
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[21:22] <visik7> 'couse I've already branched by project than rebranch and devel new features but outside of a repo |
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[21:23] <visik7> now I need to branch both inside the repo ? |
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[21:23] <sabdfl> (eek, calling that first branch "branch" was bad) |
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[21:23] <sabdfl> the first time you branch "into" a repo, it copies all the revisions into the repo store |
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[21:23] <sabdfl> from then on, each new branch just re-uses the previous revisions for everything that's common |
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[21:23] <sabdfl> which is most of history, usually |
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[21:23] <sabdfl> say you have a project with 1000 commits |
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[21:23] <sabdfl> and you make a new branch, with 10 extra commits |
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[21:24] <sabdfl> that's only 1% "new" |
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[21:24] <sabdfl> so it makes sense to share history |
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[21:24] <visik7> yes yes I got it |
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[21:25] <visik7> but the problem now is that I've 2 branches of a project outside of a repo |
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[21:25] <visik7> :( |
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[21:25] <Pilky> visik7: I don't see any problems with branching both into the repo |
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[21:26] <Pilky> you just need to change the default merge location for when you merge back together |
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[21:26] <Pilky> so that you're merging back to the copy in the repo, not the one outside of it |
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[21:32] <visik7> ops |
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[21:32] <visik7> how can I undo a merge ? |
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[21:32] <beuno> visik7, bzr revert |
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[21:33] <pickscrape> As long as you haven't committed yet... |
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[21:33] <beuno> actually, bzr revert --forget-merges |
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[21:33] <visik7> fiu |
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[21:33] <radix> --forget-merges is only if you don't want to revert the changes to the files that the merge made |
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[21:33] <beuno> yes, if you already committed, then you'll have to specify to which revision to revert (bzr revert -r -1 would be the last revision) |
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[21:34] <beuno> radix, oh? that *doesn't* revert the changes made? |
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[21:34] <radix> beuno: right. the point of --forget-merges is that it *only* forgets the metadata about the merge, while keeping the changes to the files. |
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[21:35] <beuno> radix, hrm, I wonder if that's the best name for it... |
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[21:35] <visik7> I'm really really new to vcs concepts, I was expect some question when I run a merge, instead it do all the work but what really a merge do ? |
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[21:35] <visik7> a part from coping files ? |
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[21:37] <Pilky> visik7: well, if there are no conflicts then it should perform the merge for you |
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[21:37] <Pilky> which merges directories, but also the files themself |
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[21:37] <Pilky> say you edited line 5 of a.txt in one branch and then line 20 of a.txt in another branch |
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[21:38] <Pilky> when you merge them it will try to put the new stuff in line 5 and line 20 into a.txt |
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[21:38] <radix> visik7: it does more than just copying. It "merges" in all the changes made in another branch, without overwriting other changes that have been made otherwise. |
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[21:39] <Pilky> of course, if you were to edit line 5 in both branches and try to merge, you'd get a conflict as there are two new bits of data and the VCS doesn't know which to choose |
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[21:39] <visik7> anyway it's request to manually check if everythings works as expected right ? 'couse it can't be aware of what my code relies on |
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[21:39] <Pilky> in this case you'll have to choose yourself and then resolve it |
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[21:40] <radix> visik7: This is why bzr doesn't automatically *commit* the changes when you merge -- |
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[21:40] <radix> visik7: you have a chance to review the changes with "bzr diff" before running "bzr commit". |
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[21:40] <visik7> good, clear |
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[21:45] <mtaylor> bzr: ERROR: Invalid revision number 447 |
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[21:45] <mtaylor> when pushing a just-merged branch back to launchpad |
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[21:45] <mtaylor> what does that mean? |
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[21:49] <mtaylor> nm - I think it was a local hook |
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[21:50] <mwhudson__> mtaylor: interesting, we've had a few branches with that problem |
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[21:51] <mtaylor> mwhudson: oh, ok. then it _wasn't_ my fault :) |
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[21:51] <mwhudson> mtaylor: can you check 'bzr revno' vs 'bzr revision-history | wc -l' ? |
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[21:51] <mwhudson> they should give the same number |
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[21:51] <mwhudson> mtaylor: well, maybe it was :) |
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[21:51] <mtaylor> mwhudson: they equal |
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[21:51] <mwhudson> mtaylor: oh good |
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[21:51] <mtaylor> then it was my fault |
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[21:52] <mwhudson> it's possible |
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[21:52] <mwhudson> mtaylor: which branch? |
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[21:52] <mtaylor> mwhudson: lp:ndb-connectors |
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[21:52] <mtaylor> gah |
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[21:52] <mtaylor> lp:ndb-bindings |
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[21:53] <mwhudson> hm, branch on lp seems ok too |
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[21:54] <mwhudson> so i don't know what you did, but it doesn't seem to be related to our mystery branch problem |
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[21:54] <mwhudson> good news for you :) |
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[21:54] <mtaylor> yay! |
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[21:58] <schmichael> just upgraded to 1.5 and a commit seems to be frozen on pre_commit hooks (stage 3/5) |
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[21:58] <schmichael> afaik i have no pre_commit hooks |
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[21:59] <schmichael> anybody know where i should start looking to fix this? |
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[22:04] <schmichael> i hit ctrl-c, and it seems to have committed just fine |
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[22:05] <schmichael> now bzr push appears frozen (ssh+bzr protocol, bzr 1.5 on the server as well) |
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[22:08] <schmichael> i had also run bzr upgrade on both branches... perhaps thats the problem? |
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[22:12] <LaserJock> jelmer: around? |
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[22:13] <jelmer> LaserJock: hi |
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[22:13] <LaserJock> jelmer: I'd like to upgrade my bzr/bzrtools version to the bzr PPA |
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[22:13] <LaserJock> but bzr-svn doesn't seem to be ready |
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[22:13] <LaserJock> can I get bzr-svn from a bzr branch instead? |
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[22:15] <schmichael> argh! i'm trying to commit with the old copy of my repo, and it still doesn't work |
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[22:15] <schmichael> what have i done to break bzr 1.5? :( |
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[22:15] <jelmer> LaserJock: yes, just use the 0.4 branch |
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[22:16] <schmichael> hm, i have bzr-svn and bzr 1.5 installed... could that be the problem? |
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[22:16] <jelmer> schmichael: that shouldn't matter |
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[22:17] <jelmer> do you have any other plugins installed? |
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[22:17] <schmichael> any package that starts with bzr- in debian sid |
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[22:18] <schmichael> dbus, email, gtk, pqm, rebase, svn, tools |
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[22:18] <schmichael> i probably only use gtk, svn, and tools though |
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[22:22] <schmichael> huh, it appears my push did succeed |
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[22:25] <schmichael> well, i guess everything is working well enough |
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[22:25] <schmichael> i just have to hit ctrl-c to kill commits at the pre_commit hook stage |
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[22:25] <schmichael> for pushing, i guess just count to ten and hit ctrl-c |
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[22:25] <schmichael> i'd love to file a bug but i don't have any clue where to even start diagnosing this |
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[22:30] <beuno> schmichael, you downloaded the bzr 1.5 tarball? |
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[22:30] <schmichael> beuno: using debian sid packages on my desktop and easy_installed 1.5 tar ball on my etch server |
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[22:31] <schmichael> bzr push on my desktop shows 'Using saved location ...', the doesn't-update-working-copy warning, then '/ (0,0)' displays briefly |
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[22:31] <schmichael> that disappears and it just hangs |
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[22:32] <schmichael> the push has already completed (its on the server), so i just hit ctrl-c to exit |
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[22:33] <beuno> schmichael, can you take a look at the ~/.bzr.log? |
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[22:33] <beuno> there might be some information there |
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[22:36] <schmichael> beuno: thanks for the tip, this looks revealing: http://pastebin.com/m310f07c6 |
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[22:36] <schmichael> seems the dbus plugin is to blame? |
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[22:37] <LaserJock> hmm, can you use bzr-svn to separate svn branches into separate bzr branches in a shared repo? |
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[22:37] <beuno> schmichael, yes it is :) |
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[22:38] <schmichael> beuno: removing bzr-dbus fixed it! thanks! |
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[22:39] <jelmer> LaserJock: yes |
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[22:39] <jelmer> schmichael: please file a bug |
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[22:39] <schmichael> jelmer: with debian? |
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[22:39] * schmichael hates debian's bts |
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[22:40] <beuno> schmichael, you're welcome :) |
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[22:40] <beuno> jelmer, is a bug in order? he's not using bzr from the debian repo |
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[22:40] <LaserJock> jelmer: I'm trying bzr svn-import --all --trees <svn repo>, would that work? |
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[22:40] <schmichael> beuno: i am actually |
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[22:40] <schmichael> locally its from debian sid |
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[22:40] <LarstiQ> schmichael: the easy_installed one? |
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[22:40] <schmichael> LarstiQ: nope, that one works fine (no dbus plugin installed on the server) |
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[22:41] <schmichael> sorry for the confusion |
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[22:41] <schmichael> its only on my debian sid desktop using debian's bzr 1.5 packages |
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[22:42] <jelmer> LaserJock: yes |
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[22:43] <LaserJock> jelmer: how do I then update my branches? bzr pull ? |
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[22:44] <LaserJock> I'm a little confused as to the relationship between svn-import and just using bzr branch <svn repo> |
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[22:45] <jelmer> LaserJock: yes |
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[22:45] <jelmer> LaserJock: think of "bzr svn-import" as a series of "bzr branch" commands |
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[22:45] <LaserJock> ahhh |
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[22:49] <LaserJock> jelmer: wow, that's pretty sweet |
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[22:50] <LaserJock> jelmer: is there a way to update the whole shared repo? |
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[22:50] <jelmer> LaserJock: only the existing branches in the repo |
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[22:50] <jelmer> "bzr multi-pull" |
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[22:51] <jelmer> although "bzr svn-import" should work incrementally as well |
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[22:51] <LaserJock> yeah, ok I think this is perfect |
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[22:52] <LaserJock> I won't be pull'ing tags and usually only one branch at a time anyway, but multi-pull is just what I was looking for |
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[23:02] <poolie> good morning |
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[23:03] <jam> morning poolie |
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[23:04] <beuno> mornin' poolie |
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[23:04] <poolie> jam, hi, we were going to talk now iirc |
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[23:04] <poolie> hello beuno |
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[23:05] <jam> poolie: I'm sure you're right, I should get this on my schedule :) |
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[23:07] <jam> poolie: I have skype, and I'm ready when you are |
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[23:07] <visik7> morning ? |
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[23:07] <poolie> morning visik7 |
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[23:08] <visik7> where are u ? |
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[23:08] <poolie> sydney |
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[23:09] <visik7> cool I was there last summer |
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[23:11] <visik7> but too much one way only roads for my liking |
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[23:36] <TheSheep> does bzr allow me to save metainformation on files? like, for example, a comment? |
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[23:38] <mwhudson> TheSheep: no |
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[23:40] <TheSheep> mwhudson: thanks |
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[23:40] <beuno> TheSheep, of course, there is some potention for a plugin there... |
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[23:40] <beuno> you might want to mail the list and see if someone catches on with it ;) |
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[23:41] <TheSheep> beuno: nah, it's not that important |
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[23:41] <TheSheep> beuno: besides, my use case is far from common |
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[23:43] <beuno> well, bzr is all about uncommon use cases, but, I won't insist |
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[23:44] <Peng> Googlebot is having lots of fun downloading all of my knits. :) |
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[23:44] <beuno> mueheheh |
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[23:44] <beuno> should be interesting to see what they do with that |
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[23:54] <Peng> It already indexes some bundle files, and occasionally people search for weird things and find them. |
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[23:55] <LaserJock> dang, bzr multi-pull is so sweet |
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[23:56] <igc> morning |
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[23:56] <LaserJock> I was just going to write shell scripts to go through and update all my VCS checkouts |
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[23:56] <LaserJock> for bzr all I have to do is cd bzr/ && bzr multi-pull |
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[23:56] <jam> morning igc |
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[23:57] <beuno> heya igc |
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