| [00:03] <jdong> bryce: sounds reasonable to me (shut up, wgrant and Hobbsee :P)... it's not like the installer writes any stateful info about the hardware | |
| [00:03] <wgrant> !jdong | |
| [00:03] <ubottu> <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! | |
| [00:16] <Nafallo> hehe | |
| [00:17] <Nafallo> that's almost harsh :-P | |
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| [00:54] <macd> Has anyone had troubles with sshd after upgrade, newly generated keys from updated ssh/ssl gives errors when trying to auth via key on ssh, http://pastie.caboo.se/197206 | |
| [00:56] <slangasek> macd: I haven't seen this. What version of Ubuntu are you running? | |
| [00:56] <macd> in this case, my workstation is 8.04, 2 sshd's 7.10/8.04 both doing it | |
| [00:57] <macd> I've tried removing/purging ssh things, and then deleteing all my keys, reinstalling ssh stuff, then regenerating my keys, still no go | |
| [00:58] <macd> slangasek, ^ above (sorry forgot to prefix) | |
| [00:59] <sdh> "If it works, edit the .ssh/authorized_keys file from your home directory. You will probably notice that you have a new line or an unappropriate character in your file. Each key on this file must be on one line only." | |
| [00:59] <sdh> (from http://www.webprodevelopment.com/BrightLight/2006/01/09/fixing-a-sshd-error/) | |
| [00:59] <slangasek> macd: does ssh -v give you any more useful information on the client side? | |
| [00:59] <macd> sdh, thanks for the suggestion, but I figured that one out a long time ago ;P | |
| [00:59] <sdh> macd: oh well :P | |
| [01:00] <macd> slangasek, OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 client/ OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1.4, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 server | |
| [01:02] <macd> ohh, haha, not versions, verbosity | |
| [01:02] <macd> slangasek, http://pastie.caboo.se/197224 | |
| [01:03] <slangasek> macd: hmm, ok | |
| [01:04] <slangasek> will try to reproduce here | |
| [01:04] <macd> sure thing, need any other output, or a bug on LP opened | |
| [01:06] <slangasek> I suggest going ahead with opening a bug on LP regardless | |
| [01:09] <macd> slangasek, I just tried using the key on my workstation to ssh to a bsd box, works fine.... | |
| [01:14] <slangasek> macd: and there's no doubt that the key you're using is newly-generated using a non-vulnerable version of openssh? | |
| [01:15] <macd> slangasek, no doubt at all | |
| [01:16] <macd> slangasek, Im a bit short on time at the moment, but I'll file a bug and subscribe you to it, whats your LP | |
| [01:16] <slangasek> macd: 'vorlon' | |
| [01:16] <macd> seen that one a few times, reminds me of babyln5 | |
| [01:16] <macd> slangasek, thanks, and take it easy | |
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| [06:54] <pitti> Good morning | |
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| [07:27] <dholbach> good morning | |
| [07:54] <dholbach> did somebody ever encounter thunderbird not listing a mail folder (main view, filter view) even if it shows it as "subscribed to"? any advice? | |
| [08:01] <dholbach> hum, it works after clicking and unclicking "show only subscribed folders" - nevermind | |
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| [08:20] <cjwatson> macd: I'm going to need output from 'sshd -ddd' on the server side to diagnose that bug. That is, you have to run 'sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop', then bring up sshd in debugging mode with 'sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd' (yes, you need the full path there), connect to it once, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start' | |
| [09:23] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi | |
| [09:28] <pitti> hi tkamppeter | |
| [09:35] <fabbione> hi guys | |
| [09:35] <fabbione> you guys at UDS yet? | |
| [09:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, I will be in Prag from Saturady on, with my wife and her parents, Sunday evening I move into the conference hotel. | |
| [09:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, are you already in Prag? | |
| [09:45] <pitti> fabbione: not yet, this evening | |
| [09:46] <pitti> tkamppeter: ^ | |
| [09:46] <fabbione> pitti: ok :) | |
| [09:46] <tkamppeter> pitti, so you will visit Prag at first, too? | |
| [09:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, only on Sunday; FOSSCamp will happen on Friday/Saturday | |
| [09:50] <tkamppeter> I have prepared two blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/pdf-as-standard-print-job-format and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/applications-printing | |
| [09:50] <tkamppeter> ubotu, tell something about the blueprints ... | |
| [09:51] <tkamppeter> I would like to get some desktop application developers onto these BoFs, who should I subscribe? | |
| [09:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: did you propose it for the conf already? | |
| [09:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, yes, by "Propose for meeting agenda" in the menu on the left. | |
| [09:53] <pitti> ok | |
| [09:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/applications-printing was not reported by me, but I would change the title, is there a way to do this? | |
| [09:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: the title yes, but not the ID (IIRC) | |
| [09:57] <tkamppeter> "Edit title and summary" appears only for the blueprints I have reported by myself. Is this a bug in PL? | |
| [09:58] <tkamppeter> s/PL/LP/ | |
| [09:58] <pitti> ah, that might be a precaution against vandalism | |
| [10:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, you are probably root on the server and can vi it to "Common Printing Dialog". | |
| [10:00] <pitti> heh, no, I'm not :) | |
| [10:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, but you are core-dev | |
| [10:01] <pitti> I still can't change it, though | |
| [10:01] <pwnguin> is there a calendar of UDS yet? | |
| [10:03] <[reed]> is there a channel for UDS? | |
| [10:13] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: an extraordinarily small number of people have root on the Launchpad database server, and vi doesn't work well on postgresql databases | |
| [10:13] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I've changed the title for you | |
| [10:13] <cjwatson> (members of ubuntu-drivers can do that) | |
| [10:25] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, thank you very much. The old title was really franglish. | |
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| [10:59] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: would it make sense to make it possible to disable DSA auth completely (sshd)? | |
| [10:59] <cjwatson> yes, somebody filed a Debian bug report for that | |
| [11:30] <pitti> Riddell, Hobbsee: can you please ask for appropriate automounting debugging procuedures in bug 205081? It works under Gnome, and I don't know the debugging for KDE | |
| [11:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 205081 in ntfs-3g "ntfs-3g will mount as root only, breaks mounting as user" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205081 | |
| [11:41] <emgent> morning | |
| [11:49] <emgent> dholbach: heya, some problem with iproute sync and nis merge? | |
| [12:02] <emgent> norsetto: o/ | |
| [12:09] <norsetto> emgent: <>/ | |
| [12:37] <Hobbsee> pitti: i don't use kde, sorry | |
| [12:42] <pitti> argh, where the heck do I find AM_CHECK_PYTHON_HEADERS ? | |
| [12:43] <pitti> autoreconf stumbles over this, and it's not at all obvious where to find it | |
| [12:43] <pitti> doko: ^ any idea? | |
| [12:43] <pitti> (trying to fix the b0rked python-gobject merge) | |
| [12:43] <pochu> ah | |
| [12:43] <pochu> pitti: I was looking at it | |
| [12:44] <pitti> I so much hate, hate, hate, hate autoconf | |
| [12:44] <pochu> pitti: I've asked seb and that patch isn't needed anymore, we can change it with the last one from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481569 which fixes the bug instead of disabling the feature | |
| [12:44] <ubottu> Gnome bug 481569 in gtk "Calling gobject.threads_init() causes a lot of wakeups" [Normal,Reopened] | |
| [12:45] <pitti> pochu: oh, cool, so we can drop this 61_dont_use_setwakeupfd.patch? | |
| [12:45] <pochu> yes | |
| [12:45] <pitti> pochu: that would be good, since its purpose is undocumented, no bug#, etc. | |
| [12:45] <pitti> rocking | |
| [12:45] <pochu> and the autoreconf issues would be http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471528, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471559, and probably others | |
| [12:45] <ubottu> Gnome bug 471528 in general "m4 macros needed to rebuild configure aren't shipped with 2.13.x" [Minor,Unconfirmed] | |
| [12:46] <pitti> ah, thanks | |
| [12:46] <pitti> pochu: well, with dropping the patch I don't need to rebuild them any more | |
| [12:46] <pochu> exactly :-) | |
| [12:46] <pochu> I wonder how Joss got to rebuild it, though... | |
| [12:53] <lool> pitti: BTW, I think I discussed it with you and seb128 to include the updated python-gobject patch in hardy-updates | |
| [12:54] <lool> pitti: You're still ok with this? | |
| [12:54] <pitti> lool: I don't think I was involved in that discussion | |
| [12:54] <lool> Ok; well basically that wakeupfd stuff was broken in pygobject and we disabled it before hardy | |
| [12:55] <pitti> right, that's the patch I just ripped out for intrepid | |
| [12:55] <lool> But it causes wakeups in powertop for python apps such as deskbar applet | |
| [12:55] <pitti> python-gobject uploaded now, for the record, it actually builds now; this should unbreak the world FTBFSing | |
| [12:55] <lool> But you pulled the updated wakeupfd patch? | |
| [12:55] <pochu> cool | |
| [12:55] <pochu> hey lool | |
| [12:56] <pitti> lool: no, I just dropped it, as pochu said | |
| [12:56] <lool> I don't think it was tarball released | |
| [12:56] <pitti> lool: we can still apply it in a followup upload if we need | |
| [12:56] <pitti> but I'd really like to get this fixed in intrepid soon, it causes a hell of a lot of FTBFS and uninstallability ATM | |
| [12:57] <pitti> (that's why I attacked it now in the first place) | |
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| [12:59] <lool> Ok, I thought we had a patch for this support but actually it was tarball releasedin the old broken version in 2.14;1 | |
| [12:59] <lool> What we want is the final implementation | |
| [12:59] <pochu> pitti: could you retry exaile libbeagle anjuta (or add to your to-retry list :) | |
| [13:00] <lool> pitti: So you uploaded ubuntu3? | |
| [13:00] <pitti> lool: 2.14.1-4+ubu1, yes | |
| [13:00] <pitti> (no remaining changes any more | |
| [13:00] <pitti> pochu: kicked | |
| [13:02] <pochu> thank you | |
| [13:02] <mitsuhiko> hi all | |
| [13:02] <mitsuhiko> why is ssh-vulnkey not available for dapper? | |
| [13:02] <pitti> mitsuhiko: it will eventually | |
| [13:03] <mitsuhiko> that's good news | |
| [13:08] <pitti> pochu: btw, feel free to upload bug 208097 | |
| [13:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 208097 in python-aptsources "FTBFS in Hardy due to python-distutils-extra changes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208097 | |
| [13:09] <pitti> pochu: and maybe poke someone from ~motu-sru to ack it (Hobbsee, TheMuso, etc.) | |
| [13:10] <pochu> ok, on it | |
| [13:11] <pochu> What do people think about removing reportbug(-ng) from the archive? bug 175508 | |
| [13:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 175508 in reportbug-ng "reportbug-ng reports bugs to Debian instead of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175508 | |
| [13:14] <LimCore> hi cjwatson | |
| [13:15] <LimCore> cjwatson: can we append a warning to the installer related to openssh, that explains that the SERVERS that accept weak keys are still vulnerable and that users should consider that? | |
| [13:15] <LimCore> becuse users dont ralize this usually | |
| [13:47] <kagou> do anyone have an idea to which package should I assign Bug #230694 ? | |
| [13:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230694 in ubuntu "DVD mounted and played by wrong user" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230694 | |
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| [14:05] <lool> pitti: Hmm if you remove the patch completely, we get the borken setwakeupfd support again | |
| [14:05] <lool> I'm preparing a Debian upload with the updated fix | |
| [14:12] <lool> doko: Hmm will we get signal.set_wakeup_fd from 2.5.2-2ubuntu2 in Debian too? | |
| [14:23] <pitti> lool: thanks | |
| [14:54] <siretart> any reason to not publish openssl-blacklist in dapper-security? | |
| [14:55] <lool> Blah, I hang python2.5 when rebuilding pygobject in hardy | |
| [14:55] <lool> lalala .........*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python2.5: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000000a39480 *** | |
| [14:55] <lool> Looks like it could be amd64-ish | |
| [14:57] <lool> doko: pygobject was uploaded the 9th of April in hardy and python2.5 the 8th and the 16th; I wonder whether it could be a 2.5.2-2ubuntu4 regression | |
| [14:59] <mvirkkil> What time does FOSSCamp start tomorrow? | |
| [15:01] <pitti> mvirkkil: 10 am, IIRC | |
| [15:03] <Hobbsee> argh. | |
| [15:03] <Hobbsee> 18 / 3 != 9 | |
| [15:04] <Hobbsee> did someone steal my brain? | |
| [15:04] <pitti> Hobbsee: 5.99999993843 last time I checked :) | |
| [15:04] <Hobbsee> :P | |
| [15:04] * realist gives back hobbsee-brain.deb | |
| [15:06] <realist> pitti: FPU bug? | |
| [15:08] <lool> doko: There's an insane amount of valgrind errors (even when only looking at access after free errors); I guess it's a wrong memory allocation function being used: do you have any tip on chasing such issues? | |
| [15:09] <mvirkkil> pitti: Thanks. Couldn't find it anywhere on the FOSSCamp page. | |
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| [15:12] <Hobbsee> realist: ah, thanks. | |
| [15:19] <juliank> doko: I really need Bug #220241 to be fixed. Running applets is (if it works) slow and the applet at java.com does not even work. (but worked with IcedTea 7 in gutsy) | |
| [15:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 220241 in icedtea-gcjwebplugin "Test applet at java.com fails to run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220241 | |
| [15:19] <emgent> heya people | |
| [15:20] <juliank> doko: Somehow it works now. But why? | |
| [15:21] <candrews> Question about the openssl vulnerability: why does openssl not use /dev/urandom for entropy on Linux? Why does it need anything other than /dev/urandom? | |
| [15:26] <pochu> pitti: can you retry them again? when you did it python-gtk2 was still uninstallable due to python-gobject, but I've checked now on a chroot and they are installable with the update | |
| [15:27] <pochu> exaile libbeagle anjuta | |
| [15:27] <pitti> pochu: right, doing | |
| [15:28] <pitti> done | |
| [15:30] <pochu> thanks again :) | |
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| === mdz changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Regenerate your SSH keys! http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2 | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | #ubuntu-devel-summit for U | |
| === mdz changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Regenerate your SSH keys! http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2 | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | |
| [15:43] <mdz> ETOPICFULL | |
| [15:44] <\sh> ./ctcp * sound attention_regen_ssh-keys_now.wav | |
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| [15:48] <emgent> :D | |
| [15:51] <Hobbsee> fricking oo. | |
| [15:52] <Hobbsee> stop crashing! | |
| [16:08] <doko> lool: is this needed? | |
| [16:28] <lool> doko: Well the valgrind backtraces don't end up in the python modules I'm testing | |
| [16:32] <lool> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/pygtk-testactionsubclass.log | |
| [16:33] <lool> doko: I guess these issues weren't present in the previous python2.5 as pygtk built against it for hardy | |
| [16:34] <lool> doko: The tests causing glibc assertions are doing some gc.collect() and the changes you did to python2.5 seem to affect the gc; are these patches safe, could they expose bugs in other moduels? | |
| [16:37] <doko> lool: which tests fail, are these tests using ctypes? | |
| [16:38] <lool> doko: I'm not sure; there's "ctypes" usage in codegen/defsgen.py, but I don't see any in generated code | |
| [16:39] <doko> hmm | |
| [16:39] <lool> doko: If you simply rebuild pygtk locally, you should get the bug | |
| [16:39] <doko> lool: I already had the wakeup stuff backported, just didn't upload | |
| [16:39] <lool> doko: Oh, well I spent time today doing it too; too bad | |
| [16:40] <lool> doko: I committed the patches to the Debian tree, but I can't test them under hardy due to this unrelated FTBFS | |
| [16:40] <doko> Apr 30 ... | |
| [16:40] <lool> ? | |
| [16:41] <lool> You mean you had prepared pygobject and pygtk back Apr 30? | |
| [16:41] <lool> Or do you mean you told me so at that date? | |
| [16:42] <doko> do python2.5 | |
| [16:42] <lool> You included it in hardy already | |
| [16:43] <lool> I don't understand what you say | |
| [16:43] <mrec> hi it seems like that mplayer fires up dbus to open and hold the video nodes open .. this has a terrible sideeffect for hybrid devices which provide multiple nodes. When the analog video node is held open it's impossible to open eg the DVB or radio part of a analog TV/dvb/radio device | |
| [16:44] <mrec> the dbus extension seems to be an ubuntu specific patch | |
| [16:44] <mrec> (at least for mplayer) | |
| [16:54] <doko> <lool> doko: Hmm will we get signal.set_wakeup_fd from 2.5.2-2ubuntu2 in Debian too? | |
| [16:54] <doko> this was my answer | |
| [17:06] <pecisk> hi people, how firefox translation from Launchpad gets into distribution? It is converted when issuing update for particular translation? | |
| [17:15] <mrec> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652941 | |
| [17:15] <mrec> does anyone know more about this? | |
| [17:15] <mrec> I don't think it's mplayer mplayer accesses dbus yes but only for the screensaver thing | |
| [17:52] <needbeer> http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 | |
| [17:54] <needbeer> http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 | |
| [17:55] <violinappren> hi all, i'm trying build the source package of synergy and i get "/usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: Permission denied" ... more at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12261/ | |
| [17:56] <stdin> violinappren: is debian/rules set executable? | |
| [17:56] <liw> violinappren, "chmod +x debian/rules" should fix that; when apt-get unpacks the source code, it shoudl do that, I don't know why it didn't | |
| [17:57] <liw> more specifically, dpkg-source should do it | |
| [17:57] <liw> maybe the clean rule in debian/rules does something funny | |
| [17:58] <violinappren> i did chmod +x on it and then ran "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b" and it still gives the same error .. "ls -al debian/rules" says it's -rwxr-xr-x | |
| [17:59] <needbeer> http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 | |
| [18:00] <stdin> needbeer: stop spamming | |
| [18:01] <liw> violinappren, I can't reproduce the problem on hardy | |
| [18:01] <needbeer> i already got 7 klines today on several networks, only a shotgun could stop me spamming :D | |
| [18:01] <stdin> needbeer: ask an you shell receive | |
| [18:02] <liw> violinappren, I can't reproduce the problem on hardy | |
| [18:04] <liw> violinappren, do you have all build dependencies installed? "apt-get build-dep synergy" takes care of that | |
| [18:05] <violinappren_> umm, i tried again in my home directory (rather than my "playground" partition) and it works (!) | |
| [18:06] <stdin> violinappren_: same filesystem type? | |
| [18:06] <violinappren_> yes i used ext3 allover the place | |
| [18:06] <stdin> check the mount options, there is a noexec flag that cam be set iirc | |
| [18:07] <violinappren_> mount says "/dev/sda3 on /media/sda3 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)" | |
| [18:07] <liw> a-ha! | |
| [18:07] <stdin> there you go then "noexec" will stop things from being executed even if set +x | |
| [18:08] <violinappren_> aaaah | |
| [18:08] <Ng> noexec is overrated | |
| [18:08] <violinappren_> it must be a default in hardy since i never manaually set it! | |
| [18:08] <stdin> check in your /etc/fstab | |
| [18:08] <liw> it is set for automatically mounted volumes (ref. /media) | |
| [18:09] <liw> by gnome-mount, that is | |
| [18:09] <violinappren_> fstab has "/dev/sda3 /media/sda3 auto nouser,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0" | |
| [18:09] <violinappren_> (i added the mount points during a clean kubuntu hardy install) | |
| [18:10] <stdin> unmount, take out the "noexec," and mount | |
| [18:10] <liw> or don't build packages on that filesystem, of course -- the noexec might be there for a reason | |
| [18:10] <lool> doko: Ok; are you interested in looking in the python2.5 memory corruption issue? | |
| [18:10] <liw> (i.e., first figure out the reason) | |
| [18:11] <doko> lool: please recheck with the recent python2.5 upload first, I'm travelling tomorrow, and I'm offline now | |
| [18:11] <violinappren_> well it's a personal machine, not a work one, so no "policies" with noexec | |
| [18:11] <lool> doko: the intrepid one? | |
| [18:11] <lool> Or the hardy one? | |
| [18:12] <doko> lool: intrepid, hardy should be ok for ctypes | |
| [18:12] <doko> lool: you do use hardy-proposed, do you? | |
| [18:12] <lool> doko: No, I don't; I've seen an upload from you in proposed, but it seemed unrelated | |
| [18:14] <lool> doko: I'm pulling python2.5{,-dev,-minimal} from proposed | |
| [18:14] <violinappren_> anyway, thanks guys/gals for your help | |
| [18:14] <lool> doko: Same bug | |
| [18:15] <lool> *** glibc detected *** python: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0000000000b297b0 *** | |
| [18:17] <lool> I'm debootstrapping intrepid, but I don't have much hope | |
| [18:26] <lool> doko: Under intrepid, same thing http://paste.ubuntu.com/12270/ | |
| [18:26] <lool> Well hardy's kernel | |
| [18:27] <norsetto> looks like debian new is chocked | |
| [18:27] <lool> norsetto: ? | |
| [18:28] <norsetto> lool: is it normal for so many packages to be sitting there for weeks? | |
| [18:28] <lool> Yes | |
| [18:30] <lool> norsetto: these are old graphes, but it's still being processed in batch http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/new/ | |
| [18:31] <norsetto> lool: amazing | |
| [18:57] <macd> cjwatson, ping | |
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| [19:43] <emgent> norsetto: o/ | |
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| [20:04] <fbond> Hi, there seems to be some confusion regarding xorg.conf in 8.04. Is it possible to force X.org to use a particular display driver, even if auto-detection suggests otherwise? What is the best way to do this? | |
| [20:10] <slangasek> fbond: all the previously supported xorg.conf options can still be used, to their usual effect; we just don't use them by default because autodetection now gives correct results in the vast majority of cases | |
| [20:13] <fbond> slangasek: Am I incorrect, then, in thinking that I ought to be able to add a `Driver ...' line to the "Device" section and have that force the display driver? | |
| [20:13] <tjaalton> fbond: correct | |
| [20:14] <fbond> Of course you know that I'm asking because it's not working for me. | |
| [20:14] <fbond> The log file indicates that the vesa driver is being used. | |
| [20:14] <fbond> If the requested driver does not load, will the vesa driver be used instead? | |
| [20:14] <tjaalton> if the xserver fails to start, yes | |
| [20:15] <fbond> Hm. It seems to do this silently; no warnings or anything. Makes debugging a bit confusing if you come from the Old Way where the server doesn't start at all when the driver didn't pan out. | |
| [20:15] <tjaalton> there's a bug about that | |
| [20:16] <fbond> Oh, is there? I couldn't find anything, and wasn't sure if I just didn't understand X.org anymore. | |
| [20:16] <fbond> tjaalton: Do you have a bug #? | |
| [20:17] <tjaalton> bug 148122 seems to be the one | |
| [20:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 148122 in xorg "bulletproof-x hiding real problems" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148122 | |
| [20:17] <tjaalton> boarding time, finally -> | |
| [20:18] <fbond> tjaalton: No, this is a different situation. I'm not getting the graphical configuration utility at all. X starts normally, just with the wrong driver. | |
| [20:26] <tseliot> fbond: that's because no driver is specified in the Device section of your xorg.conf | |
| [20:27] <tseliot> fbond: maybe Xorg's automatic detection didn't work as it should | |
| [20:30] <fbond> tseliot: I *did* specify a driver. That's why I'm bothered. | |
| [20:31] <tseliot> fbond: can I see your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (use pastebin, please)? | |
| [20:31] <fbond> tseliot: one sec. | |
| [20:34] <tseliot> fbond: oh and I would be glad if you could post the output of this command too sudo updatedb && locate xorg.conf | |
| [20:47] <fbond> tseliot: I think I see what's going on that is confusing me. | |
| [20:47] <fbond> The machine in question was already being tested by someone else. | |
| [20:47] <fbond> When I got to it, he had already seen the "low-graphics mode" dialog. | |
| [20:48] <fbond> I edited the xorg.conf and then restarted the X server by pressing Ctl-Alt-Bkspc | |
| [20:48] <fbond> However, it seems that restarting the bulletproof X server via C-A-B does not cause the configuration to be re-read. I'm beginning to understand that the bulletproof X server is a separate server with a separate configuration. | |
| [20:49] <fbond> Thus, it appeared that my configuration wasn't being read. | |
| [20:49] <fbond> Does this sound right? | |
| [20:50] <fbond> Now, I was eventually able to get to a log file with the openchrome output, and found the problem there. I had to restart gdm to trigger the configuration to be re-read. | |
| [20:50] <tseliot> fbond: yes, that's what I was going to suggest | |
| [20:50] <fbond> I wonder if some more documentation might be helpful to advanced users trying to fiddle with things. | |
| [20:51] <tseliot> fbond: bryce knows more about this | |
| [20:52] <tseliot> and you can have a look at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X | |
| [20:53] <tseliot> I've got to go now. Bye | |
| [20:53] <fbond> tseliot: thanks | |
| [21:12] <dmb> is this openssl bug going to require the creating of Ubuntu 8.04.1 lts? | |
| [21:14] <liw> 8.04.1 was going to be created anyway | |
| [21:29] <geser> pitti: Hi, I've seen that apache2 got uploaded to hardy-proposed. As apache2-mpm-itk has a very strict dependency on apache2.2-common it needs a rebuild for every apache2 upload. Does this somehow influence the SRU of apache2? | |
| [21:33] * slangasek shakes his fist at itk | |
| [21:33] <slangasek> geser: would be great if someone could prepare an itk upload then; I'll be happy to push it through alongside apache2 | |
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| [21:35] <geser> slangasek: would this weekend be early enough? | |
| [21:35] <slangasek> geser: I imagine so | |
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| [22:01] <emgent> heya | |
| [22:10] <emgent> heya sabdfl :) | |
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| [22:23] <sabdfl> howdy all | |
| [22:24] <ion_> Hi | |
| [22:24] <Kaleo> hi sabdfl | |
| [22:32] <Nafallo> hey :-) | |
| [22:32] <emgent> Nafallo: :) | |
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| [23:09] <johanbr> Hmm. The UDS wiki page still says "More details about remote participation will be announced closer to the time. ". | |
| [23:11] <stgraber> johanbr: they have till Monday :) | |
| [23:35] <xivulon> slangasek, would you mind clarify the first bullet in #226622? I am not too knowledgeable on versioning conventions | |