2008/05/08/#kubuntu-devel.txt

=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse
[02:05] <yuriy> the upgrade to 4.0.4 seems to have made things quite a bit more buggy
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> regressions by my count are: bug 227932, bug 227919, bug 227914, and bug 227904
[02:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227932 in ktorrent-kde4 "Ktorrent-kde4 crashes after shutdown of closing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227932
[02:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227919 in kdebase-kde4 "[Konqueror 4.0.4, regression] Widgets inside webpages render incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227919
[02:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227914 in kdebase-kde4 "buttons missing in konqueror kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227914
[02:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227904 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 login screen is missing background (regression: 4.0.4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227904
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, 227909, not 227914
[02:09] <yuriy> i'm getting funky behavior with konqueror toolbars, pidgin froze and firefox won't launch (don't know if those are related), some systray icons have artifacts
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> Pidgin and firefox work fine here, but everything else seems to fit in line with the above bug reports
[02:10] <yuriy> alt+f2 doesn't work (already ran kded4 manually)
[02:10] <yuriy> lock screen and switch user dont' work
[02:10]  * JontheEchidna can run alt+f2 fine
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> and switch user/lock screen
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> Is krunner running?
[02:11] <yuriy> ooh more upgrades.. maybe i just didn't get everything because of mirror lag
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[02:11] <yuriy> mit didn't have it at all so i switched to us
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> us archive is being sloooow for the past few days
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> de had mirror lag this morning so I switched back to us
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk
[02:30] <yuriy> ok upgrading seems to have fixed some of the problems
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> Right about now I'm thinking "I'm glad I'm not using Konqueror right about now"
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> I'm guessing that we're running into all of these regressions because the devs aren't using a 4.0.x environment
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> nighty-night
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk
[06:06] <Tm_T> from where do you get your unsermake in Hardy?
[07:01] <nixternal> Tm_T: what needs unsermake?
[07:01] <nixternal> iirc unsermake was removed a release or 2 back
[07:05] <Tm_T> nixternal: KDE3 does use it on build, right?
[07:06] <Tm_T> atleast I do with it
[07:07] <nixternal> it shouldn't be using it..I thought we removed anything related to unsermake a while back
[07:07] <Tm_T> well upstream didn't?
[07:07]  * Tm_T is building svn
[07:08] <nixternal> kde 4 svn?
[07:08] <Tm_T> kde3 svn
[07:08] <nixternal> you can use the autotools for it
[07:08] <Tm_T> kde4 is later today
[07:08] <nixternal> you don't unsermake for it
[07:08] <Tm_T> nixternal: I can, but unsermake works better, IIRC
[07:08] <nixternal> don't need*
[07:10] <Tm_T> indeed it does work better with it
[07:11] <nixternal> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unsermake/
[07:11] <nixternal> thought we dropped it..it has been gone since Dapper
[07:11] <nixternal> I remember doing some conversions back then
[07:11] <nixternal> iirc it was in the kdeonbeta stuff
[07:11] <Tm_T> yeh, I grabbed unsermake from gutsy (it was there without proper dependencies)
[07:13] <nixternal> ya, we use autotools for kde3 building
[07:14] <Tm_T> I didn't even notice that
[07:14]  * Tm_T shames
[07:16]  * apachelogger shames for using autotools
[07:17] <nixternal> what would you use then for KDE 3 building?
[07:17] <nixternal> surely not unsermake
[07:28] <Tm_T> nixternal: why not?
[07:29] <nixternal> from what I remember of it, besides it being unmaintained and archaic, it was a pita at times
[07:32] <Tm_T> hmm, interesting
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[08:28] <Nightrose> yuriy: i have artifacts in the systray as well
[08:36] <nixternal> you have to nix your plasma configs for that Nightrose
[08:36] <nixternal> plasmarc you might be fine keeping, but it is the other plasma config in there
[08:37] <Nightrose> hmm ok will try later
[08:37] <Nightrose> thanks
[08:38] <Nightrose> nixternal: meh that is the one with all my applets?
[08:38] <Nightrose> i would hate to nix that
[08:38] <Nightrose> you don't happen to know a less intrusive way? ;-)
[08:38] <nixternal> ya
[08:38] <nixternal> nope
[08:39] <Nightrose> :/
[08:39] <Nightrose> ok
[08:39] <nixternal> ya to the one with all of the applets and nope to a less intrusive way
[08:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[08:44]  * nixternal beds
[08:44] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:45] <Nightrose> k'nite
[09:01] <ligemeget> night? I'm in school!
[09:08] <Nightrose> hmmm nixternal that didn't help :(
[09:08] <Nightrose> was still messed up after deleting plasma-appletsrc so i restored my old one
[09:28] <Nightrose> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extragear-plasma/+bug/228123 <- if someone feels like looking into it...
[09:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 228123 in extragear-plasma "[regression KDE 4.0.4] painting problems with icons in system tray" [Undecided,New]
[09:28] <Nightrose> hmm and my kopete crashes when i close a message window...
[09:29] <Nightrose> cananyone reproduce that?
[11:16] <Riddell> Arby: yes kdevelop should be merged, the kde 4 version is a long way off I believe
[11:17] <Riddell> stdin: uploaded a debdiff for kde4libs/qt4.4 where?
[11:19] <Riddell> stdin: got it, thanks
[11:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/228129
[11:21] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 228129 in kopete "[regression KDE 4.0.4] Kopete crashes when closing message window" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:21] <Nightrose> kopete is the b0rked :(
[11:21] <Riddell> jdavies: replace the kde 3 version
[11:23] <\sh> Nightrose, it's since the beginning of kopete ,)
[11:23] <Nightrose> :P
[11:23] <Nightrose> well it always worked pretty nicely for me...
[11:25] <\sh> Nightrose, never for me properly...regarding xmpp things...
[11:25] <Nightrose> :/
[11:26] <Riddell> Nightrose: tried asking upstream?
[11:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: not yet - will do
[11:51] <Nightrose> Riddell: upstream is on it - will keep you posted
[11:56] <Riddell> groovy
[12:18] <jdavies> vorian: "replace the kde 3 version"
[12:27] <Riddell> _Sime: what's the current state of pykde in kdebindings like?  good to package?
[12:34] <awen_> Riddell: i simply can't get g-p-m for kde4 to compile ... finally got my intrepid pbuilder up and running, but still no luck; neither using cmake directly or using the rules-file from kdebase-kde4 as a base
[12:35] <Riddell> awen_: when happens when you run cmake?
[12:36] <awen_> Riddell: still get the same error: Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package" ... and has simply no idea how to make it go away
[12:37] <Riddell> awen_: oh, are you trying to compile just g-p-m?
[12:37] <Riddell> awen_: you need to compile kdereview
[12:37] <Riddell> svn checkout -N svn+ssh://jriddell@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview
[12:38] <Riddell> cd kdereview
[12:38] <Riddell> svn update guidance-power-manager
[12:38] <Riddell> mkdir build
[12:38] <Riddell> cd build
[12:38] <awen_> Riddell: uh ... then no wonder everything fails
[12:38] <Riddell> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ..
[12:38] <Riddell> make
[12:38] <Riddell> sudo make install
[12:47] <awen_> at least that gave me another error ... thanks a lot
[12:51] <Riddell> awen_: what's the error?
[12:54] <awen_> it's compiling one of the plasma applets, that errors out on me (probably misses some dependencies) ... is is possible to tell cmake to only compile g-p-m?
[12:54] <apachelogger> awen_: that is what Riddell told you
[12:54] <apachelogger> -N will checkout non-recoursive
[12:54] <apachelogger> svn update will get g-d-m
[12:55] <apachelogger> then you create a build subdir in _kdereview_
[12:55] <apachelogger> which then will only build g-d-m
[12:56] <larsivi> Tried to upgrade to 8.04, but got this http://tango.pastebin.com/m678be80a - konq wouldn't start at "report bug" - tried twice
[12:56] <awen_> apachelogger: oh ... didn't see the -N
[12:57] <jtechidna> larsivi: That means that the server is down/insanely slow
[12:57] <jtechidna> You can try changing mirrors
[12:57] <jtechidna> Adept-> Manage repositories
[12:59] <jtechidna> Then on the first tab There should be a "Download from:" option
[12:59] <jtechidna> Hit "Other" in the combobox
[13:00] <jtechidna> and select a different server, like the german one
[13:03] <Nightrose> Riddell: fix for the kopete crash: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161769
[13:03] <ubottu> KDE bug 161769 in general "kopete causes a sigserv when closing chat window" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]
[13:03] <Nightrose> that was fast...
[13:10] <larsivi> jtechidna: hmm, same happens with de.archive.ubuntu - could this be a firewall problem? is non-standard ports used anywhere in the process?
[13:10] <jtechidna> It's standard http, so probably not...
[13:10] <jtechidna> Sure the internet connection is ok on your end?
[13:11] <jtechidna> oh, well I suppose it must be ok if we're talking on an internet chat
[13:11]  * jtechidna is tired
[13:11] <apachelogger> +1
[13:13] <larsivi> jtechidna: 'k - thanks, will try again at home
[13:41] <mhb> afternoon
[13:42] <Riddell> hi mhb
[13:42] <Riddell> sladen here was muttering about borrowing some floor space in prague during UDS
[13:45] <mhb> I don't understand
[13:46] <mhb> do you need something from me?
[13:46] <Riddell> mhb: you have floor space in prague?
[13:47] <mhb> floor space as in?
[13:47] <mhb> no warehouse
[13:47] <Riddell> mhb: somewhere to sleep
[13:48] <mhb> ah right, a spare bed I do have
[13:58] <Hobbsee> sladen would probably take teh floor, quite happily.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: although, be wary of sladen and fridges, and such.
[13:59] <seele> Riddell: are there desktop meetings from now to UDS?
[13:59] <Riddell> seele: there's one about to start
[14:00] <Riddell> won't be next week, or at least I'll be on a train
[14:08] <mhb> if he's fine with sleeping on the edge of town in a big family house, it's ok
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
[14:31] <seele> when you update a kernel, is adept supposed to tell you to reboot? (i think i might have asked this question before..)
[14:34] <Riddell> seele: yes, it should popup an icon in the system tray
[14:38] <seele> hmm.. i wonder what i did to break that (and it it has happened to anyone else)
[14:38] <Riddell> seele: do you have adept_notifier running?
[14:38] <seele> i thought maybe i missed it, but there have been two kernel updates this week and there were no reboot suggestions
[14:38] <seele> yeah
[14:40] <Riddell> seele: do you have /var/run/reboot-required and /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ?
[14:40] <seele> nope
[14:41] <seele> how long have those been around?  i've been doing updates since feisty
[14:41] <Riddell> those files would be installed by the updated linux package if it thought a reboot was required
[14:41] <seele> oh, i do have dpkg-run-stamp, just not reboot-required
[14:41] <Riddell> possibly one isn't?
[14:42] <seele> maybe, i dunno. maybe it was a different problem
[14:42] <seele> after both updates this week, something ate 100% of memory and swap
[14:42] <seele> and i noticed both updates were kernel updates
[14:43] <seele> maybe they were just really big and something else did it
[14:43] <seele> i dont care if it's just my goofy computer, but it would suck if a lot of users had this problem
[14:43] <seele> because they will blame hardy for being slow instead of some other problem
[14:44] <Riddell> not using firefox are you?
[14:44] <seele> nope, that's what i originally thought the problem was but i didn't use it between the first and second update
[14:46] <seele> man.. being nontechnical is pretty useless
[14:47] <seele> i have no idea how to figure out if its just my own dumb fault or if there's something wonky going on
[14:52] <Riddell> seele: no update should start eating 100% of memory and swap
[14:52] <Riddell> (occationally they should stop it though)
[14:52] <Riddell> seele: how do you know they ate 100% of memory and swap?
[14:54] <seele> i looked at the memory graph in kinfocenter
[14:55] <seele> with my normal stuff running (kopete, konsole, kontact, 2-3 open office docs, konq) i'm using about 50-70% total memory (no swap)
[14:55] <seele> after i did the update this morning.. stuff started running slow again and the graphs said physical and swap were 100% used
[15:38] <Nightrose> re from shopping
[15:39] <Nightrose> Riddell: is anyone looking into the dos problem of kopete?
[15:39] <Nightrose> i am pondering taking care of the tab problem
[15:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: not currently, feel free to make debdiffs and test
[15:40] <Nightrose> ok will give it a try
[15:50] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: when will you be available today?
[15:52] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: in about 10-15 minutes as long as my phone call doesn't run over
[15:53] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok. tell me when you are ready
[16:11] <Tm_T> yay, Ubuntu Finland was awarded as "Linux contributor of the year" in Finland <3
[16:11] <Nightrose> \o/ nice
[16:12] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ping
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: pong
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: concerning the second page,
[16:13] <seele> ok
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> I am not sure about some options
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> eg enable ACPI
[16:13] <seele> about whether they should be there or what they are?
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> I think this option is a kernel argument
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> both :)
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> where did you find them?
[16:14] <seele> ok.. so does that mean it is specific to the OS?
[16:14] <seele> other GRUB uis including the last one designed
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> y
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> at least I think so
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> Mandriva's ui?
[16:15] <seele> might have been the suse one.  i only had screenshots
[16:15] <seele> so instead it would be in your add/edit wizard?
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> y if I'm right
[16:15] <seele> ok no problem
[16:16] <Artemis_Fowl> let me check the suse's one. currently I am on opensuse
[16:17] <seele> that probably applies to a lot of those options, now that i'm looking at it
[16:17] <seele> such as debugging and selinux support
[16:18] <seele> does it make sense to configure all that stuff in a wizard?  it might be annoying to have to go through the process every time you want to make a change
[16:18] <seele> could you select the OS from a list and then show the relevant options?
[16:20] <Artemis_Fowl> yes it must apply to other options, too
[16:20] <Artemis_Fowl> I didn't really get your last question, though
[16:22] <seele> currently, the only way to configure os-specific options is to use your wizard
[16:22] <seele> but for an advanced user, wouldnt it be annoying to have to go through the process all the time just to configure one option?
[16:22] <DaSkreech> hi seele
[16:22] <Artemis_Fowl> yes indeed
[16:22]  * DaSkreech waves at Tm_T 
[16:22] <Tm_T> Nightrose: including money prize
[16:22] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: hi hi son
[16:23] <Tm_T> :))
[16:23] <seele> so as an alternate, could you select the operating system from a drop down and have it show/enable os-specific options to configure?
[16:23] <Nightrose> Tm_T: wohooo - even nicer ;-)
[16:23] <seele> e.g. if SE Linux support is installed and you select OpenSuse, provide an option to turn it on or off
[16:23] <seele> DaSkreech: hihi
[16:24] <Artemis_Fowl> hmm
[16:25] <Artemis_Fowl> then it shouldn't be under Boot Options
[16:25] <seele> yeah
[16:25] <seele> probably a separate tab
[16:25] <seele> under operating systems
[16:25]  * Artemis_Fowl has to find a way to quick-edit entry attributes....
[16:25] <seele> i dont think there would be enough room under the list to add it
[16:26] <seele> if it will take a lot of work, for now, you could just put it in the wizard and work on it for the next release
[16:26] <Artemis_Fowl> yep
[16:26] <seele> actually, it would probably be in both places anyway
[16:26] <seele> because when you create a new entry, you would want to configure those options during the wizard
[16:27] <seele> it's just that you dont want people to have to use the wizard every time they want to tweak an option or look something up
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> what if all possible entry attributes (title, root,kernel, SELinux etc) could be edited from a single window without documentation?
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> w8 to find a screenshot
[16:29] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: like in the old wireframes: http://obso1337.org/hci/grub/GRUB_Wireframes_Dec_17.pdf
[16:29] <Artemis_Fowl> page 2
[16:30] <seele> in a popup menu instead of in a tab?
[16:30] <seele> er, new dialog
[16:30] <Artemis_Fowl> yes
[16:30] <Artemis_Fowl> would that be fine?
[16:31] <seele> where would you put the button to open the dialog?
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> the dialog would be called from a Quick-Edit button next to Add/Edit/Remove buttons
[16:32] <seele> hmm.. the only problem is we already have 5 buttons, and i'm not even sure if they will all fit after translation
[16:32] <Artemis_Fowl> Edit pops up the full Assistant which is documented and offers detailed configuration and Quick Edit only this dialog
[16:32] <seele> yeah, i dont think two edit buttons is a good idea
[16:33] <seele> what if there was only one edit, and it was the dialog with all the options
[16:33] <seele> and you only get the wizard for add?
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> the Edit button could have a popup menu with the items "Full Edit" and "Quick Edit"
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> or something like this
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> I wouldn't like to remove the Full Edit mode
[16:35] <seele> items as in buttons to more dialogs? or two tabs?
[16:36] <Artemis_Fowl> when you click the Edit button a menu pops up at the bottom of it like Suggestions'
[16:36] <Artemis_Fowl> 'Suggestions' button in the wizard*
[16:36] <seele> yeah, i dont know about that
[16:37] <seele> it sounds lot more complicated than it needs to be
[16:37] <seele> and it doesnt act like any of the other system setting modules
[16:39] <Artemis_Fowl> actually it is not complicated. simply when the user clicks the Edit button he will have to choose whether to use the full-blown assistant or the quick edit dialog
[16:39] <Artemis_Fowl> but indeed it is no common practice
[16:40] <Artemis_Fowl> but I have no other ideas atm
[16:40] <seele> short term just put all the options in the wizard and we can figure out how to break them out later
[16:40] <seele> i dont like the idea of having to go three screens deep just to find a configuration option
[16:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[17:21] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[17:22] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: one good reason to include the "Full Edit" option is that some entry attributes such as maps cannot be edited through the Quick-Edit dialog
[17:22] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: they wouldn't fit
[17:23] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: and map support is vital. I had way too many requests for such a feature to ignore it
[17:23] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it is necessary for Windows dual-booting when Windows isn't on a master hard disk
[17:25] <dinosaur-rus> who is a maintainer of Qt4 packages?
[17:26] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: we are
[17:28] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: well, since Qt 4.4 Assistant uses ("by default") new help format, I think it'd be a good idea to put old HTML docs into separate package as keeping the docs in both formats seems to be wasting of disk space
[17:28] <Riddell> fabo: what do you think of ^^ ?
[17:50] <nixternal> Nightrose: you can mv ~/.kde4 somewhere and then log back in to KDE 4...guarantee everything works then :)
[17:51] <Nightrose> nixternal: will try after i fixed kopete ;-)
[17:54] <DaSkreech> kopete r brok?
[17:58] <Nightrose> jep big time unfortunately for me
[17:59] <DaSkreech> what's it doing?
[18:02] <Nightrose> tab handeling is broken in 4.0.4 and it constantly crashes on me due to http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/ i assume
[18:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[18:02] <Nightrose> fixed package building now in pbuilder
[18:02]  * Nightrose crosses fingers
[18:02] <DaSkreech> I installed 4.0.4 last night the apt-cache policy says 4.0.4 all the apps say 4.0.3
[18:03] <Nightrose> yea known problem
[18:03] <DaSkreech> But koepte was crashing like krazy in 4.0.3 for me so lets see if that changes
[18:03] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:03] <DaSkreech> near 70% of the time I shutdown jut clicking that buton made kopete crash
[18:04] <Nightrose> oO
[18:04] <DaSkreech> or if I sent someone a file and they decided not to accept (that happens more than I remember) it would crash
[18:04] <Nightrose> you shouldn't send so many files then :P
[18:05] <DaSkreech> No people just should accept them :-P
[18:05] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:26]  * nixternal kicks archive.ubuntu.com right in its arse!
[18:27] <Nightrose> heh tell me about it...
[18:29] <DaSkreech> 12 k /s :-(
[18:30] <nixternal> 0k/s
[18:30] <nixternal> it doesn't even work for me
[18:32] <smarter> 239kB/s :p
[18:32] <smarter> hint: use a different mirror
[18:49] <nixternal> I am using mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu now
[18:49] <smarter> Riddell: "   * Remove build-dep on libdvdread" << does that mean that k3b can no longer burn/extract DVD?
[18:49] <nixternal> I get anywhere between 1MB/s to 2MB/s
[18:50] <Riddell> smarter: libdvdread3 has always been in universe as far as I know
[18:50] <smarter> Riddell: so k3b was not really built with it?
[18:53] <Riddell> smarter: it never has been
[18:53] <DaSkreech> k3b is in work for 4.1 I think
[18:53] <smarter> ok, thanks
[18:54] <nixternal> manchicken: your KDE/Qt Perl bindings issues may be a thing of the past...I have interested a couple of people from the PerlMongers group to work on them
[18:54] <nixternal> one of this is Josh if you ever met him, he is the new PR person for the Perl Foundation
[18:55] <nixternal> s/this/them
[18:55] <manchicken> Ooh?
[18:55] <manchicken> That would be nice.
[18:55] <manchicken> Josh McAdams?
[18:55] <nixternal> ya
[18:55] <manchicken> Yeah, I used to work with him.  Top-notch guy.
[18:55] <manchicken> One of the best folks to know.
[18:55] <nixternal> groovy, so you trust his work then
[18:56] <manchicken> Without question.
[18:56] <nixternal> nice...well if you are interested, maybe you could talk to him about it and what not..as I believe you have tried playing with the bindings
[18:57] <nixternal> I got to meet those guys at Flourish..they all came in for my KDE 4 talk, and I complained during the plasmoid talk about Perl bindings and what not :)
[18:57] <nixternal> see, crying does help!
[18:57] <manchicken> The fundamental problem is tying Perl to C++ with Qt templates.
[18:58] <nixternal> I think it is high time I go back and try to relearn Perl the correct way...do you recommend any books for this (O'Reilly since they are free for me?)
[19:00] <manchicken> Learning Perl is a good one.
[19:00] <nixternal> k
[19:00] <manchicken> I learned Perl with Emacs and the pocket reference.
[19:00] <nixternal> that's cuz you are insane
[19:00] <nixternal> you obviously had no life before meeting your wife :p
[19:00] <nixternal> I'm a poet and dun even know it
[19:00] <DaSkreech> emacs \o/
[19:01] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Funny neither do we :)
[19:01] <manchicken> Um... most geeks don't.
[19:02] <nixternal> I am going to the Cubs game tomorrow, so I have a bit of a life :)
[19:02] <nixternal> my brother's new nickname is "Hollywood"
[19:02] <manchicken> You're not a very good geek then.
[19:02] <nixternal> he got us setup at the Skydeck on Sheffield
[19:02] <nixternal> and we are traveling via limo
[19:02] <nixternal> all free! food and drink included!
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[19:03] <nixternal> granted from the skydeck the players will look like ants, but the food and drink will be good :)
[19:03]  * nixternal hopes they have something other than budweiser, miller, and old style
[19:03] <DaSkreech> Who really goes to baseball to see the players?
[19:03]  * nixternal does
[19:03] <nixternal> I love baseball
[19:04] <manchicken> Sorry, Cubs aren't worth that much money.
[19:05] <DaSkreech> free? :)
[19:05] <nixternal> Cubs are my heros
[19:05] <manchicken> You have losers as heros?  That explains a lot :P
[19:05] <nixternal> to the world series they go!
[19:06] <manchicken> And by world series, you mean they go to the cubby bear to watch two other teams play?
[19:06] <nixternal> I was raised a Detroit Tigers and Chicago Cubs fan...but I enjoy the national league more because they make the pitchers bat
[19:06] <nixternal> manchicken: come on, this is the 100 year anniversary...the world series is in the bag
[19:06] <nixternal> you know that MLB has already set it up
[19:06] <manchicken> Yeah... the body bag.
[19:07] <nixternal> we have Fukudome, and no I didn't just cuss and it isn't pronounced like it looks either
[19:08] <nixternal> still the funniest was the lady on CBS Chicago who pronounced it Fuk u do me
[19:08] <nixternal> and not fooka dome a
[19:08] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Cubby hole fans must love her
[19:09] <nixternal> there is no better game or stadium
[19:09] <DaSkreech> BirdsNest
[19:09] <nixternal> I mean for a team that does so bad, season tickets are always sold out in advance
[19:10] <nixternal> I like sitting up though at the game, don't like the box seats down either 1st base or 3rd base lines....line drives and broken bats are dangerous
[19:37] <Riddell> apachelogger, Czessi: anyone ordered kubuntu-kde4 CDs for linuxtag?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[19:38] <Czessi> Riddell: yes, juliux ordered 2000 kubuntu cds for linuxtag via torsten spindler
[19:39] <Czessi> Riddell: kde3 and kde4
[19:40] <Riddell> torsten spindler? not sure what he has to do with CDs but ok
[19:45] <Czessi> Riddell: i asked again. juliux ordered kde3 and kde4 via tetet, shipit and canonical marketing. cds will be send directly to ,esse berlin
[19:47] <Czessi> Riddell:  ,esse berlin => messe berlin => masses berlin
[19:48] <jjesse> hello DaSkreech
[19:51] <Riddell> Czessi: groovy
[19:58] <_Sime> sebas: ping
[20:03] <seele> ok!  done with meetings for the day and one more day till the weekend
[20:03]  * seele falls over.  it was a rough week.
[20:07]  * Riddell puts soft matt under where seele is falling onto
[20:08] <seele> a blankie would be nice too!
[20:11] <Arby> Riddell: I'm strugggling to build kdevelop binary. any idea what would cause http://paste.ubuntu.com/11005/
[20:11] <Arby> something wrong in the configure file related to libtool
[20:11] <Arby> but it's above my skill level
[20:14] <Arby> as an aside, has anybody had success getting an intrepid pbuilder to work.
[20:14] <Arby> I tried a few days ago without success
[20:15] <Riddell> Arby: hrm, tricky.  tried make -f admin/Makefile.common ?
[20:15] <Arby> trying
[20:16] <Riddell> or better, make -f debian/rules buildprep
[20:16] <Riddell> Arby: can't say I have, chroot only
[20:16] <Arby> first one is running
[20:16] <Arby> fair enough, just curious
[20:17] <Arby> Riddell: debian/patches/common has a script update.sh that automatically updates some patches regarding libtool and autotools
[20:17] <Arby> I've run this script
[20:17] <Arby> just wondering if that's the problem
[20:18] <Riddell> could be
[20:18] <Arby> make -f admin/Makefile.common completes without errors
[20:19] <Arby> suggests running ./configure, should I follow on or try make -f debian/rules buildprep
[20:20] <Riddell> go with make -f debian/rules buildprep
[20:20] <Arby> ok
[20:21] <LaserJock> nixternal: ping?
[20:23] <Arby> Riddell: make -f debian/rules buildprep goes to completion, what's next?
[20:24] <Riddell> Arby: debuild ?
[20:24] <Arby> ok
[20:25] <LaserJock> does anybody know if there's a package for ksynaptics? I thought there was but I can't find it now
[20:25] <Arby> Riddell: sorry for all the neophyte questions, still learning
[20:26] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: did you have any more questions about the wireframes?
[20:27] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: I will. but I have to code a little. it's about 1-2 weeks since I last coded
[20:28] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: I need my code dose :-)
[20:32] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: is there a reason why 'Make Fallback' is on the left of 'Make Default' and not vice versa?
[20:35] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: typo, i forgot to put it there.. which brings up the problem of not having any space to put it
[20:35] <smarter_> Riddell: could you please upload desktop-effects-kde?
[20:35] <seele> oh wait.. i misunderstood your question
[20:36] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: no, there was no reason why i ordered it that way
[20:36] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: ok I'll put Default first
[20:36] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: it sounds more reasonable to me
[20:36] <Riddell> smarter_: I don't have time to package it currently, do you have it as a package?
[20:37] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: sure, i dont think it makes a difference either way
[20:37] <smarter_> Riddell: sure, let me do a bzr builddeb ;)
[20:37] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: y. mere details...
[20:38] <Arby> Riddell: I think that's got it. still building but gone further than before
[20:38] <Riddell> Arby: great
[20:38] <Arby> got a sec to explain what that that command did
[20:38] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: btw, in the Wireframes you include a Defaults button (from the SystemSettings)
[20:39] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: turning on/off these buttons is possible
[20:39] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: should I make use of such a button?
[20:39] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: there are no *defaults*
[20:40] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: i thought any time a kernel was updated the GRUB config was updated
[20:41] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: and so?
[20:41] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: that should be the Default?
[20:42] <seele> the purpose of the Defaults button is a "factory restore" of whatever options for that module
[20:42] <jjesse> does the "defaults" work?
[20:42] <seele> in most cases, that is the original configuration file, but in this case it would be the updated config from the package update
[20:42] <jjesse> i thought it just reset to the last change from when you opened up the system setting
[20:42] <smarter_> Riddell: here it is: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/
[20:43] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: ah ok. can restore to the original config
[20:43] <seele> jjesse: i'm pretty sure its supposed to be a factory reset, and lots of people were confused because they thought it was a last saved
[20:43] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: a backup is taken the very first time
[20:43] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: ok good.  i believe that is what the Defaults button is for
[20:43] <jjesse> seele: i would argue they don't always work that way then
[20:43] <seele> jjesse: probably not
[20:43] <jjesse> at least on my system
[20:43]  * |Artemis_Fowl| never uses the Defaults button
[20:44] <seele> i dont know which modules use it correctly or not, i just know what the Defaults button is supposed to do
[20:44] <jjesse> i used the default button because i thoght they brought them back to the original Kubuntu configuratoin
[20:44] <jjesse> and stoped as soon as i realized they didn't
[20:44] <seele> because no one knew it wasn't a Load Last Save
[20:44] <seele> hum.. maybe it was changed in kubuntu then?
[20:44] <seele> this was a discussion for probably 2 years ago with kde-usability
[20:45] <nixternal> LaserJock: pong?
[20:47] <smarter_> Riddell: uh wait, I put hardy instead of intrepid
[20:47] <Riddell> I can fix that
[20:48] <smarter_> okay, thanks
[20:48] <Riddell> smarter_: looks good otherwise, uploading
[20:48] <smarter_> I'll just fix it in the bzr branch
[21:00]  * _Sime just saw the "printer setup" bubble thingy in hardy. WAY COOL!
[21:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: nvm, I was trying to figure out how to adjust touchpad prefrences in KDE but I ended up just editing xorg.conf anyway
[21:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: Kubuntu's rockin' my socks off today. First time I've tried it on Hardy
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[21:21] <smarter_> Riddell: If you have some time, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is also ready for upload: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kks
[21:37] <nixternal> http://chi.ubuntu-us.org/
[21:38] <nixternal> check out my pimpin' monitor on the right
[21:38] <nixternal> included KDE 4 and KDE 3 images in it
[21:42] <DaSkreech> with compiz!
[21:50] <DaSkreech> Would the new Vbox come in backports?
[21:52] <crimsun> it hasn't entered intrepid yet
[21:52] <DaSkreech> ok
[21:54] <nixternal> DaSkreech: you can grab the new vbox for hardy from their website
[21:58] <jjesse> nice monitor nixternal
[22:03] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I missed that I only saw a tarball
[22:04] <Arby> woo, kdevelop built successfully at last :)
[22:08] <Nightrose> hmmm anyone who can tell me what is wrong with my pbuilder? http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete.txt
[22:09] <stdin> Nightrose: not pbuilder, Qt4.4. doesn't seem to set QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR, you need to pass "-DQT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/qt4" to cmake
[22:10] <stdin> should be something for it in the debian/rules file
[22:10] <Nightrose> stdin: hmmm ok... why does this compile without my patch?
[22:10] <Nightrose> (i assume it does since it is in the archive)
[22:10] <stdin> Nightrose: because it was compiled against Qt4.3?
[22:11] <Nightrose> hmmmmpf
[22:11] <Nightrose> fun
[22:11] <Nightrose> thx stdin
[22:11] <nixternal> http://tv.timbormans.com <- that is pretty cool...it is a youtube + last.fm mashup...enter your last.fm username at top, and it will play the videos to your songs
[22:11] <jjesse> that's cool
[22:12] <Nightrose> stdin: so what to do? i have a debdiff but have no idea if it works or not - should i try to make it compile against Qt4.4?
[22:13] <stdin> Nightrose: if it's going to go into hardy-backports or intrepid, then you don't have much choice
[22:13] <Nightrose> ok thx
[22:14] <Nightrose> and i thought once a patch was going to be simple... :P
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Intrepid will be based solely on trunk and not the 4.0 branch correct?
[22:14] <stdin> Nightrose: add "-DQT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/qt4" to DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules if it's using cdbs
[22:14] <Nightrose> will try
[22:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: 4.1
[22:14] <Riddell> _Sime: wooga
[22:16] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Yes Sorry :) but there isn't a 4.1 branch yet so till then it will be tracking trunk ?
[22:17] <DaSkreech> and not have any of the 4.0 branch ?
[22:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: right
[22:19] <DaSkreech> Cool
[22:20] <DaSkreech> nixternal: what's the likelihood of ars running a Kubuntu review alongside an Ubuntu ?
[22:21]  * Riddell wonders how nixternal would know
[22:21] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I can make a couple of calls, about all I can do
[22:21] <nixternal> our KDE insider is pretty much KDE, but I can talk to Flav for some pull on a Kubuntu article
[22:23]  * Nightrose hugs stdin 
[22:23] <Nightrose> looks like it is working now
[22:23] <stdin> :)
[22:23] <Nightrose> let's see if I get a package... ;-)
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[22:28] <Nightrose> hmm nope - kget doesn't want to play nice
[22:29] <nixternal> kget plays nice for me :p
[22:29] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Maybe you canhelp. What do I need to get my sound hardware to turn up in System Settings -> Sound
[22:31] <Nightrose> nixternal: haha then tell me how i can make it play nice here as well ;-) http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete.txt
[22:36] <Czessi> Nightrose: pls send me your .diff.gz and .dsc
[22:37] <Nightrose> Czessi: k - will upload them in a sec
[22:37] <Czessi> ok
[22:39] <Nightrose> Czessi: http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp
[22:40] <Czessi> thx
[22:40] <Nightrose> :)
[23:03] <stdin> Nightrose: looks like libqt4-dev has a missing dep on libxrender-dev
[23:03] <Nightrose> trying
[23:09] <DaSkreech> Neat Koffice A7
[23:22] <Serega> hi there
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