| [02:34] <sven_> hello, world! | |
| [02:34] <sven_> (thought it was appropriate) | |
| [02:35] <tritium> sven_: see /topic | |
| [02:36] <sven_> tritium: thanks, on my way to motu | |
| [02:52] * calc sees interesting rumors of nvidia releasing docs/open source driver | |
| [02:52] * calc thinks hell will freeze over before that happens | |
| [02:53] * calc has seen nvidia's 'attempts' before ~ 10 years ago | |
| [03:00] <johanbr> calc: Well, the situation is a bit different now, with the competition already having open specs/drivers. | |
| [03:04] <wgrant> Nouveau is doing an excellent job even without Nvidia's help. | |
| [03:05] <johanbr> Yes, but a reverse-engineered driver will always be playing catchup. | |
| [03:06] <wgrant> This is true. | |
| [03:06] <calc> johanbr: yea | |
| [03:07] <calc> johanbr: from what i recall at the time there were open drivers for the competition as well, ati has an on again off again open source strategy | |
| [03:07] <calc> it looks like now that amd owns them they may stay foss friendly | |
| [03:08] <calc> and amd's help appears to have convinced intel to release documentation along with their drivers :) | |
| [03:11] <wgrant> Is there anyone else around other than NVIDIA, ATI and Intel? | |
| [03:11] <calc> Via, but not really | |
| [03:12] <Nafallo> sis? | |
| [03:12] <calc> they claimed to be going foss but phoronix had an interesting article mentioning their foss efforts appear to be binary only drivers | |
| [03:12] <wgrant> Hahhah SiS. | |
| [03:12] <calc> SiS is what ~ < 0.01% of the market | |
| [03:12] * jdong hugs Nafallo | |
| [03:13] <jdong> that was the cheer-up I needed for the long day I've had | |
| [03:13] <Nafallo> :-) | |
| [03:13] <calc> SiS has always existed but I have only seen one time | |
| [03:13] <jdong> calc: the last time I saw them it didn't leave a good impression :) | |
| [03:13] <wgrant> I've got one SiS chipset here. | |
| [03:13] <Nafallo> ooh | |
| [03:13] <Nafallo> I know another one... | |
| [03:13] <wgrant> For some reason, Compiz decides it's OK to start on it. | |
| [03:13] <Nafallo> it's m something :-) | |
| [03:13] <calc> and aiui SiS binary drivers suck so hard it probably wouldn't help to have docs | |
| [03:13] <wgrant> It works sort of. | |
| [03:13] <Nafallo> matrox | |
| [03:13] <wgrant> Hah. | |
| [03:13] <Nafallo> I think | |
| [03:14] <calc> i have seen bug reports about SiS can't even do regular 2D right | |
| [03:14] <wgrant> calc: That's right. | |
| [03:15] <calc> matrox is all but dead in the market, they have very specific area that they still sell into | |
| [03:15] <wgrant> What's that? CAD workstations? | |
| [03:16] <jdong> doom95 gamers. | |
| [03:17] <calc> wgrant: airports apparently | |
| [03:17] <calc> wgrant: and financial large number of screens type installs | |
| [03:17] <calc> not much use for 3d, etc | |
| [03:17] <wgrant> Ah. | |
| [03:17] <wgrant> I thought they were for 3D stuff. | |
| [03:17] <wgrant> A rather niche market, anyway. | |
| [03:18] <calc> the last time (i know of) that matrox was foss friendly was ~ 1998-2000 timeframe | |
| [03:18] <calc> back when their video cards were still relevant on the desktop | |
| [03:19] <calc> some of the first 3d support under linux was for the matrox g200 | |
| [03:20] <calc> looks like they do quad head on one slot without fan | |
| [03:20] <Nafallo> they are still good for multiscreen setup indeed :-) | |
| [03:20] <calc> yea | |
| [03:21] <Nafallo> which I could have a fun setup like that ;-) | |
| [03:23] <calc> there is also that company XGI | |
| [03:23] <calc> never seen anything from them though | |
| [03:24] <calc> doesn't look like they are sold by many companies either | |
| [03:36] <calc> hmm finally 10GbE over regular copper | |
| [03:36] <Nafallo> has been around for a while :-) | |
| [03:37] <calc> Nafallo: not over copper | |
| [03:38] <Nafallo> yes it have :-) | |
| [03:38] <calc> eh? | |
| [03:38] * calc looks it up | |
| [03:38] <Nafallo> several months | |
| [03:39] <calc> says the standard was released in 2006 and intel announced their card on thu (afaict) | |
| [03:40] <calc> but maybe someone else released cards before that, dunno | |
| [03:40] <Nafallo> connectix have sold 10GbE solutions for some time :-) | |
| [03:41] <calc> the only connectix i can find info about is the one that wrote the mac software | |
| [03:42] <calc> but yes there was 10GbE for a long time, but over fiber, since at least 2002 | |
| [03:42] <Nafallo> http://www.connectix.co.uk/ | |
| [03:42] <Nafallo> :-) | |
| [03:44] <calc> ok | |
| [03:46] <calc> of course desktops are barely able to saturate regular GbE currently | |
| [03:47] <Nafallo> very true | |
| [03:49] <protonchris> Anybody had any luck getting a intrepid pbuilder chroot going? | |
| [03:50] <Nafallo> calc: hehe. they've started to think about 40GbE and 100GbE now :-) | |
| [03:54] <jdong> protonchris: yeah I've got one already | |
| [03:55] <jdong> you need to use intrepid's debootstrap but otherwise it was a simple matter | |
| [03:55] <protonchris> Ok. I thought that the debootstrap for intrepid was backported to hardy. | |
| [03:55] <jdong> not yet that I know of | |
| [03:55] <jdong> oh nvm it's there now | |
| [03:56] <jdong> wasn't there last night yet | |
| [03:57] <protonchris> It doesn't work for me. Dies when "Installing core packages" | |
| [03:59] <protonchris> It runs into trouble with libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb | |
| [04:05] <wgrant> It's due to a missing dep in debconf, AFAICT. | |
| [04:08] <protonchris> ok | |
| [04:13] <illSleepWheniDie> hi all | |
| [04:14] <illSleepWheniDie> can all the indians here say Here! | |
| [06:16] <Hobbsee> stgraber: your blog is broken. | |
| [06:17] <Hobbsee> stgraber: Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_submit_form() in /data/www/stgraber.org/www/modules/akismet/akismet.module on line 707 | |
| [06:18] <wgrant> Hobbsee: It *is* PHP... | |
| [06:18] <Hobbsee> wgrant: this is true | |
| === hunger_t_ is now known as hunger | |
| [09:56] <stgraber> Hobbsee: akismet was broken, I disabled it for now. | |
| [10:24] <qense> is there an ALSA developer online? Or maintainer :) | |
| === qense is now known as qense|lunch | |
| === qense|lunch is now known as qense | |
| [12:13] <fursund> Hello... In the early alpha-betas of hardy, there was this nifty mount archive - right click in nautilus - tool, do you know where I can download and install that? | |
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| [12:23] <qense> Is there an ALSA maintainer online? | |
| === gnomefre2k is now known as gnomefreak | |
| [13:28] <Hobbsee> stdin: ah, cool | |
| [13:40] <alex-weej> kernel doesn't boot on a mate's laptop | |
| [13:40] <alex-weej> i noticed -17 came out recently | |
| [13:40] <alex-weej> any way to test it with a disc image? do we still make daily cd's after release? | |
| === nand_ is now known as nand | |
| [14:13] <_MMA_> qense: crimsun will kinda be the guy to talk to. But since it's Sunday I would try back tomorrow. Or at *least* later today. (4 hours or so). | |
| [15:06] <qense> what package is responsible for managing /proc/acpi/fan? | |
| [15:06] <Hobbsee> qense: check with dpkg -S ? | |
| [15:07] <qense> I thought /proc didn't contain files | |
| [15:08] <stdin> the kernel manages all files in /proc | |
| [15:08] <qense> ok | |
| [15:08] <qense> I'm triaging a bug wher fan support disapeared in hardy | |
| [15:09] <qense> everyting was alright in hardy | |
| [15:09] <qense> do you think it's a 2.6.24 issue? | |
| [15:09] <qense> it's filed again acpi-support | |
| [15:11] <qense> the bug number might help you help me. ;) bug 226422 | |
| [15:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 226422 in acpi-support "Laptop gets very hot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226422 | |
| [15:38] <johanbr> qense: Yes, that's a kernel issue. | |
| [15:38] <qense> ok thx I've already changed the package to linux | |
| [15:40] <johanbr> Is frequency scaling working? | |
| [15:41] <qense> I haven't asked him yet | |
| [15:41] <qense> I'll do | |
| [15:41] <alex-weej> when i plug a DVI cable into my notebook, nothing happens. is something supposed to happen or are we not quite there yet? | |
| [15:41] <qense> he says the fan is running all time | |
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| [17:03] <hwilde> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods | |
| [17:04] <hwilde> Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods | |
| [17:04] <hwilde> bootup looks good until those errors | |
| [17:05] <qense> does it actually start or holds it at that point? | |
| [17:05] <hwilde> hodls | |
| [17:05] <hwilde> holds | |
| [17:06] <hwilde> strange part is there is no sd device | |
| [17:06] <hwilde> I don't even know why it's loading that | |
| [17:07] <qense> weird | |
| [17:08] <hwilde> http://pastebin.com/m31bc6bcd lines 49 & 59 | |
| [17:08] <hwilde> then is just says sda: | |
| [17:08] <hwilde> and sits there | |
| [17:08] <Chipzz> hwilde: errr, you DO know that sd has NOTHING to do with SD cards, do you? | |
| [17:09] <qense> does /var/log/boot contain anything? | |
| [17:09] <hwilde> Chipzz, I dunno it's right in line with it looking for sda in the boot messages. check my pastebin | |
| [17:09] <hwilde> qense, I dunno it doesn't boot up for me to check the log | |
| [17:10] <qense> can you access the harddisk at another way? | |
| [17:10] <Chipzz> hwilde: no interest. just mentioning because you may be seriously mistaken | |
| [17:10] <Chipzz> sd is a scsi driver | |
| [17:11] <Chipzz> which in recent (for some value of recent) has started to be used by IDE too | |
| [17:11] <hwilde> strange I don't have scsi either | |
| [17:11] <Chipzz> + kernels | |
| [17:11] <hwilde> oh it does load scsi for the cdrom | |
| [17:11] <hwilde> hmm it's a hard lockup, ctrl+alt+del doesn't even respond | |
| [17:11] <Chipzz> not only that | |
| [17:11] <hwilde> brb | |
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| [17:12] <Chipzz> hwilde: it should also be mentioned that this channel is not for bug-reports. And since this is a kernel bug, that's one more reason not to ask here | |
| [17:13] <Chipzz> you should, at the very least, ask in #ubuntu-kernel instead of here | |
| [17:13] <hwilde> well... I wan't intending to submit a bug report | |
| [17:13] <hwilde> and if it says a driver needs updated, that sounds like development | |
| [17:13] <hwilde> but thanks for pointing me in the right direction | |
| [17:13] <Chipzz> it isn't | |
| [17:14] <Chipzz> but people should be able to help you in #ubuntu-kernel | |
| [17:14] <Chipzz> if you follow that reasoning, just about everything is "development" ;) | |
| [17:15] <hwilde> sure but that same logic could be used to say that everything is a kernel issue | |
| [17:15] <Chipzz> no :) | |
| [17:15] <Chipzz> it can't :) | |
| [17:16] <Chipzz> if I write a python program with a bug in it, how is that a kernel bug? :) | |
| [17:16] <Chipzz> anyway | |
| [17:16] <hwilde> oh right this isn't gentoo | |
| [17:16] <Chipzz> make sure to check the bugtracker for similar bugs first | |
| [17:16] <Chipzz> chances are someone else already reported it | |
| [17:16] <Chipzz> oh and one more thing | |
| [17:17] <Chipzz> It's currently weekend. Chances are you will not receive much response on #ubuntu-kernel today | |
| [17:17] * hwilde stares at Chipzz | |
| [17:17] <Chipzz> yes? | |
| [17:17] <hwilde> you have been most helpful sir | |
| [17:17] <hwilde> thank you for the encouragement | |
| [17:18] <Chipzz> just stating some facts :P | |
| [17:18] <Chipzz> ubuntu developers like to have the weekend off too ;) | |
| [17:18] <hwilde> that's why the irc god invented /away mode | |
| [17:18] <Chipzz> and no need for "sir" ;P | |
| [17:19] <hwilde> sir yes sir, thank you for correcting my salutations! | |
| [17:19] <hwilde> hehe | |
| [17:19] <Chipzz> hwilde: there's also a reason god/irc invented topics. Yet people seem to ignore them on a constant basis :P | |
| [17:20] <Chipzz> (that was meant as a general comment, not aimed at you ;)) | |
| [17:21] <Chipzz> anyway, good luck with your bug! | |
| [17:22] <hwilde> actually it finally dropped to busybox | |
| [17:22] <hwilde> says /dev/hda1 does not exist | |
| [17:22] <hwilde> so I think it's just coming up under a different name | |
| [17:24] <Chipzz> hwilde: hrrrm, it should be using UUID's instead of device names | |
| [17:24] <hwilde> yeah I am trying to make an image that can be cloned to multiple of the same devices | |
| [17:25] <Chipzz> ouch | |
| [17:25] <Chipzz> in that case, I suggest you kinda keep a close eye on ubuntu development | |
| [17:25] <hwilde> I never could figure out why they use UUIDs | |
| [17:25] <Chipzz> exactly for this reason :) | |
| [17:25] <Chipzz> when the kernel changed from using ie hda to sda, it wouldn't have mattered | |
| [17:26] <mjg59> hwilde: Because device node names aren't stable | |
| [17:26] <qense> what; s the difference between hda and sda> | |
| [17:26] <Chipzz> qense: the way the kernel sees the device | |
| [17:26] <Chipzz> hda is an ide device | |
| [17:26] <Chipzz> sda is a scsi device | |
| [17:26] <qense> ah | |
| [17:26] <hwilde> well, how would you make /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab work on multiple different devices? the UUIDs are different but /dev/hda1 used to work. now it's apparently /dev/sda1 | |
| [17:26] <Chipzz> or an ide device using scsi emulation | |
| [17:26] <hwilde> but I didn't change it so now the ide is using scsi deriver | |
| [17:27] <Chipzz> hwilde: well in your case I would make sure to read the release notes between upgrades, if you want to stick with hda/sda instead of UUIDs | |
| [17:28] <Chipzz> basically, doing that is unsupported, and if you want to do it, you need to take care of it yourself ;) | |
| [17:29] <ogra> (and no, thats not ubuntu specific, its an pstream kernel change ) | |
| [17:29] <ogra> *upstream | |
| [17:30] <Chipzz> btw, unsupported does not mean it won't work. it does mean however, that if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces ;) | |
| [17:30] <ogra> :) | |
| [17:32] <ogra> > I killed Google and the | |
| [17:32] <ogra> > Internet stopped being busy. | |
| [17:33] * ogra grins about ubuntu-users | |
| [17:33] <qense> why? | |
| [17:34] <ogra> see the quote i pasted :) | |
| [17:35] <qense> well, I think it would make internet even more busy! everyone would have to ask the same question over and over agin | |
| [17:35] <qense> :d | |
| [17:35] <ogra> heh, indeed | |
| [17:36] <qense> #ubuntu would be blown away | |
| [17:37] <hwilde> you should have seen it when ubottu wasnt there :/ | |
| [17:39] <qense> at peeks #ubuntu is already terrible | |
| [17:41] <hwilde> depends on how you look at it I guess | |
| [17:42] <hwilde> we could have no users and no interest... then the channel would be quiet | |
| [17:42] <qense> true | |
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| [18:25] <jeromeg> jdong: hello | |
| [18:26] <jeromeg> do you have a few seconds ? | |
| [18:38] <ogra> hwilde, hey i totally forgot how much fun #ubuntu can be ... thanks for reminding (sadly working for canonical doesnt often leave time for that though) | |
| [19:31] <cjwatson> protonchris: the intrepid bootstrapping problem is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202; I'm inclined to leave it for a while on the assumption that it'll get fixed in Debian soon and we can just sync it, since intrepid isn't really expected to work at the moment | |
| [19:31] <ubottu> Debian bug 479202 in perl-base "fields tries to use Hash::Util" [Unknown,Open] | |
| [19:36] <protonchris> cjwatson: Thanks for the info. Syncing it sounds like a good idea to me. | |
| [19:36] <cjwatson> once it's fixed in Debian, that'll happen automatically | |
| [19:57] <kees> hm, can someone give-back glib2.0 (2.16.3-2) for i386? I can't reproduce the test failure, so I'm hoping it a timing bug | |
| [19:57] <kees> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.16.3-2 | |
| [20:41] <emgent> heya | |
| [21:08] <bigon> I'm trying to create an intrepid chroot and I get http://paste.debian.net/2194/ should I report that? | |
| [21:24] <pitti> kees: kicked | |
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| [22:07] <cjwatson> bigon: intrepid *will* break semi-randomly for some time | |
| [22:08] <cjwatson> bigon: but in any case that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202 | |
| [22:08] <ubottu> Debian bug 479202 in perl-base "fields tries to use Hash::Util" [Unknown,Open] | |
| [22:08] <cjwatson> bigon: for now, either (a) don't be in a rush to create an intrepid chroot :-) or (b) create a hardy chroot and upgrade it | |
| [22:17] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8 | |
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| [23:47] <TheMuso> crimsun: Note that the sample cachign thing is an esound thing, not a sound card thing. | |
| [23:47] <crimsun> TheMuso: yes, but there's nothing that would have changed in PA or ESD to issue it. | |
| [23:47] <TheMuso> True. | |
| [23:59] <ogra> OMG | |
| [23:59] <ogra> transmission is surely the worst crap i have ever seen | |
| [23:59] <LaserJock> uh oh | |
| [23:59] <ogra> it just deleted about 1G of music i downloaded over the last months | |
| [23:59] <LaserJock> ouch | |