2008/05/04/#edubuntu.txt

[02:48] <eido_> can someone tell me how to format a floppy
[04:41] <os2mac> Does Edubuntu install an ICA client by defaut?
[04:41] <os2mac> s/defaut/default
[04:44] <achandrashekar> hello...i just installed edubuntu 8.04 and it appears that after doing a ltsp-build-client -arch i386 i cannot get my i386 clients to come up....no pxe boot
[04:45] <achandrashekar> i have installed on a fresh box with two nics
[04:45] <achandrashekar> the system is an athnlon x2
[04:45] <achandrashekar> any ideas??
[04:45] <achandrashekar> do i need to manually create an lts.conf file ?
[07:18] <achandrashekar> not sure how is around...but i installed a 64 bit edubuntu , built the ltsp 32 bit for clients, and cannot seem to PXE..any ideas?
[07:20] <johnny> hi
[07:20] <johnny> you sure leave quickly
[07:21] <johnny> lemme respond to what i didn't finish earlier
[07:21] <johnny> <achandrashekar> and if i have (dare say it) have some ppc clients is that --arch=ppc ?
[07:21] <johnny> <achandrashekar> johnny: oh...the flash doesnt work??  with the --arch=i386 on a 64 bit server?
[07:21] <johnny> no.. ppc isn't that simple, you need to do it on a pcc machine from my understanding.. or find some hackery to get around it
[07:22] <johnny> and flash does work
[07:22] <achandrashekar> sorry..went home from work...im at home now :)
[07:22] <johnny> what i was saying.. is that flash is more difficult to make work properly with sound on your thin clients..
[07:22] <johnny> more magick has to be done
[07:23] <johnny> the problem is mainly due to the fact adobe still doesn't release 64bit flash, even for windows
[07:23] <johnny> unless you want to use gnash or swfdec , which are open source implementations still in the works
[07:23] <achandrashekar> i see.. I ran into psychotic issue though...i set up a fresh box... and after hitting f4, it went through the install and asked about primary nic...and said nothing about the 2nd nic
[07:23] <johnny> i think ubuntu distributes it
[07:23] <johnny> well you can setup the 2nd nic easily enough
[07:24] <achandrashekar> i did verify that the installer made the second nic at 192.168.0.254
[07:24] <johnny> gui and console ways
[07:24] <johnny> i'm used to the console way
[07:25] <johnny> migrated from windows myself in the beginning,  but using console always turned out to be faster :)
[07:25] <achandrashekar> i did the build-client --arch i386 bit, and it installed the 32 bit client
[07:25] <johnny> yes
[07:25] <achandrashekar> but what happens is i cant seem to get the clients to pxe at all
[07:25] <johnny> in what way?
[07:25] <johnny> that's too broad :)
[07:25] <achandrashekar> no dhcp
[07:26] <johnny> doesn't sound like it involves --arch one way or the other then
[07:26] <achandrashekar> i tested by plugging my laptop to the same switch that ltsp server is on....and no dhcp aaddy
[07:26] <johnny> did you use ltsp-server or ltsp-server-standalone ?
[07:27] <achandrashekar> i simply just hit f4, and picked ltsp-server
[07:28] <achandrashekar> I also discovered there is no lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
[07:28] <johnny> uhmm.. i've never installed edubuntu..
[07:28] <achandrashekar> is that normal
[07:28] <johnny> yes it is
[07:28] <johnny> it comes from tftp now
[07:28] <johnny> so you can change it without updating the image
[07:28] <achandrashekar> ahh..okay..
[07:28] <achandrashekar> im not sure if you have run into this or not....
[07:29] <johnny> are you sure you have a dhcp server?
[07:29] <johnny> i don't know what the ubuntu install screen that gives you options looks like
[07:30] <johnny> so i don't know whta ltsp-server in that context means
[07:30] <achandrashekar> i wonder if i explicitly have to tell dhcp to use a certain interface
[07:30] <johnny> so.. first.. you sure you have a dhcp server?
[07:30] <achandrashekar> yeah..dhcp-server is installed...because an /etc/init.d/dhcp-server restart initiates
[07:31] <achandrashekar> or works...sorry for vagueness
[07:31] <johnny> and you have an /etc/ltsp/ for dhcp ?
[07:31] <achandrashekar> yes
[07:31] <johnny> cuz the dhcp-server script uses that if available from my understanding
[07:31] <johnny> i only use dnsmasq.. so i've never looked at it..
[07:31] <johnny> sorry.. i don't use the common use case obviously :)
[07:32] <achandrashekar> the weirdness might be the interface itself..it is an emachine..so im wondering if i should pop in another card..and disable on board nvidia ethernet
[07:32] <johnny> onboard nvidia ethernet is a good idea
[07:32] <achandrashekar> to disable it...you mean.
[07:32] <achandrashekar> ??
[07:32] <johnny> i think you need to edit the dhcpd config file
[07:32] <achandrashekar> i see...
[07:32] <johnny> make sure it is listening in the proper interface
[07:32] <achandrashekar> right..
[07:33] <achandrashekar> where is that done...again?
[07:33] <johnny> on the other interface, it will conflict with any other dhcp servers you have going, if you don't do it right
[07:33] <johnny> i just told you :)
[07:33] <johnny> i'm not booted in the hardy right now.. don't recall the exact file name, but you should notice it in /etc/ltsp
[07:33] <johnny> it has dhcpd in the name
[07:33] <achandrashekar> oh right..sorry..a abit tired here.. :)
[07:34] <johnny> achandrashekar, i'm a gentoo user normally.. i just happened to do a somewhat specialized ltsp install on an ubuntu machine
[07:34] <johnny> and use ubuntu on my laptop..
[07:34] <achandrashekar> so the recommendation to disable the on board nvidia ethernet you recommend.
[07:34] <johnny> so.. i'm not expert on the ubuntu/debian stuff in general..
[07:34] <achandrashekar> gentoo is cool stuff :)
[07:34] <johnny> no.. don't disable it :)
[07:34] <johnny> unless it doesn't work
[07:35] <achandrashekar> oh..use the onboard nvidia ethernet..are they good?
[07:35] <johnny> onboard any nic is good for me :)
[07:35] <achandrashekar> im not so up on hardware these days.
[07:35] <johnny> go onbord ethernet :)
[07:35] <achandrashekar> just curious as to why.
[07:35] <johnny> it rarely is problematic
[07:35] <johnny> i use onboard everything except video
[07:35] <achandrashekar> i see.
[07:36] <johnny> hell.. even onboard video.. if it has open drivers
[07:36] <johnny> i'm not a big gamer.. so these machines with onboard 64mb video.. are just fine!
[07:36] <achandrashekar> yep that too is nvidia
[07:36] <johnny> it makes me sad to use the nvidia drivers :(
[07:36] <johnny> but i do need a little bit of 3d
[07:37] <johnny> hopefully the open 3d driver will be better soon
[07:37] <johnny> they are getting there..
[07:37] <johnny> but intel and ati stuff really leads the path
[07:37] <johnny> intel in particular has the best open source drivers for video
[07:37] <johnny> if i was doing any sort of business related install that didnt need heavy graphics.. i'd always choose intel
[07:37] <johnny> cuz they dont' sell seperate graphics cards..
[07:37] <johnny> :(
[07:38] <johnny> maybe some day they will..
[07:38] <achandrashekar> i remember when ati was vilified by linux peeps approx 5 years ago.. but things have changed.
[07:38] <johnny> well i didn't use them
[07:38] <johnny> until the ati dirver started working for real hardware
[07:38] <johnny> somebody gave me a dual head dvi out card
[07:38] <johnny> for our machine at red emma's
[07:38] <achandrashekar> cool
[07:38] <johnny> also my ltsp install machine..
[07:39] <johnny> and i made it work with the open soure drivers with 3d and dual head
[07:39] <johnny> and i was happy
[07:39] <achandrashekar> you are definitely the champion here..for always being on :)
[07:39] <johnny> i keep odd hours!
[07:39] <achandrashekar> how do you stay awake all these hours
[07:39] <achandrashekar> lol
[07:39] <johnny> it's 2:40am
[07:39] <achandrashekar> yeah 11:39 here
[07:39] <achandrashekar> in L.A.
[07:39] <johnny> well.. i like the quietness of night
[07:39] <achandrashekar> same here..
[07:39] <johnny> easier to get work done
[07:39] <johnny> altho now that i do stuff from home..
[07:40] <achandrashekar> thinking about going back to IT though.. teaching is fun..but so is money :)
[07:40] <johnny> it sucks being worried that you'll get that phone call
[07:40] <achandrashekar> lol...i remember those days as well...
[07:40] <johnny> IT for money.. i don't think i could do it
[07:40] <achandrashekar> i hear ya..i hated the 56 mile drive to work
[07:40] <johnny> they'll be like.. OMG my site is down.. or omg internet is down at the store
[07:40] <achandrashekar> one way
[07:41] <johnny> IT is no fun unless it is for a good cause
[07:41] <johnny> i would never do it
[07:41] <johnny> EVER
[07:41] <johnny> web is hard enough :)
[07:41] <johnny> IT means actually going somewhere
[07:41] <johnny> whenever something is down
[07:41] <achandrashekar> some how making that 4 billion dollar company a 5 billion dollar company just wasnt working for me anymore
[07:42] <johnny> yeah.. no way
[07:42] <johnny> i just can't
[07:42] <achandrashekar> i teach math now....when kids do get it, it is awesome
[07:43] <johnny> i like managing our little shop
[07:43] <johnny> it's fun
[07:43] <achandrashekar> somehow...its very rewarding to see these kids from this low socio-economic area make it.
[07:43] <achandrashekar> kind of evens the playing field. :)
[07:43] <johnny> for a coffeeshop.. we sure have alot of tech
[07:43] <achandrashekar> that is cool
[07:43] <johnny> custom RoR scheduling app for people to schedule shifts
[07:43] <johnny> open source point of sale software
[07:43] <achandrashekar> nice
[07:43] <johnny> written by one of the mebers
[07:43] <johnny> members*
[07:43] <achandrashekar> touch screen?
[07:44] <johnny> no
[07:44] <johnny> we use that same computer for general internet browsing too
[07:44] <johnny> and ltsp :)
[07:44] <achandrashekar> i see.
[07:44] <johnny> it coudl use a touch screen i guess
[07:44] <achandrashekar> do mind me asking "where" this is ?
[07:44] <johnny> but .. that would never work for us
[07:44] <johnny> baltimore , maryland
[07:45] <johnny> http://www.redemmas.org
[07:45] <achandrashekar> is it nice there?? we have concrete and more concrete..
[07:45] <johnny> so do we :(
[07:45] <johnny> not as bad as yours for sure
[07:45] <johnny> you're only like 10 minutes away from concrete
[07:45] <johnny> by car
[07:45] <achandrashekar> nice site!
[07:46] <johnny> we also have wireless.. so i set that up
[07:46] <achandrashekar> the whole ddwrt thing?? or a system with a wireless nic in it?
[07:46] <johnny> openwrt
[07:46] <johnny> i wouldn't use ddwrt
[07:46] <johnny> openwrt is more extensible
[07:47] <johnny> ddwrt does a bit too much
[07:47] <achandrashekar> yeah..ill have try that.
[07:47] <johnny> i actually used coova
[07:47] <johnny> cuz it had a built in captive portal
[07:47] <achandrashekar> i tried to use the mesh capability..and it was so so
[07:47] <johnny> and is built on top of openwrt
[07:47] <johnny> so we have a terms of service thing
[07:48] <johnny> and a plea for them to buy something :)
[07:48] <achandrashekar> bookfair link not working..but the other stuff is very cool.
[07:48] <johnny> it'll be back up soon
[07:48] <johnny> so.. i joined up with them almost a year ago
[07:48] <johnny> been interesting learning to be a barista
[07:49] <achandrashekar> yeah i bet!
[07:49] <johnny> i used to hang out at coffeehouses.. now i help run one :)
[07:49] <johnny> im trying to get some space at our other venue
[07:49] <achandrashekar> We have place out here known as the Coffee Klatch..and heather supposedly united states barista champion
[07:50] <johnny> we have a partnership with a local methodist church
[07:50] <johnny> we cook our baked goods in their food safe certified kitchin :)
[07:50] <johnny> and now we host events in the big room..
[07:50] <achandrashekar> linux, coffee, how can you beat that??
[07:50] <achandrashekar> :)
[07:50] <johnny> there's another place or 3 that does it
[07:51] <johnny> one is canada, it has the word linux in the name
[07:51] <johnny> altho we are different in that we are worker owned
[07:52] <johnny> it's something i always wanted to do back home.. before i moved up here
[07:53] <johnny> my girlfriend's brother is one of the founding collective members ...
[07:53] <johnny> that's how i knew about it ..
[07:53] <achandrashekar> johnny: you might wanna check that coffee klatch place out...in san dimas california on the net...im told they are one of the best in the country
[07:54] <achandrashekar> mike the owner is former chemist :)
[07:54] <johnny> it's interesting to see such a radical oriented space, being so public..
[07:54] <achandrashekar> it sounds like you are having fun with it
[07:54] <johnny> our folks have even been on the frontpage of main paper in the city
[07:54] <achandrashekar> that is cool!
[07:54] <achandrashekar> where does the name come from?
[07:54] <johnny> uhmm..
[07:55] <johnny> http://redemmas.org/section/About/emma/
[07:55] <achandrashekar> yep...reading...
[07:55] <achandrashekar> emma goldman ;)
[07:55] <achandrashekar> rtfm...lol
[07:56] <achandrashekar> yeah that is cool
[07:57] <johnny> http://flickr.com/photos/h1113/2207915321/  there's a picture of two of my terminals ..
[07:57] <johnny> http://flickr.com/photos/h1113/2207915321/
[07:57] <johnny> oops
[07:58] <johnny> the caption is incorrect.. just normal people i'm sure..
[07:58] <achandrashekar> ha ha
[07:58] <achandrashekar> nice
[07:58] <johnny> http://flickr.com/photos/gavinmusic/1417846258/
[07:58] <johnny> we're pretty public with our presence.. as you can see from the giant sign..
[07:58] <achandrashekar> anything that is not Micro$haft is these days :)
[07:58] <johnny> all sorts of people come through
[07:59] <achandrashekar> my fiance would be in love with that place....she is the avid reader..
[07:59] <johnny> well our coffee and food ain't bad either..
[07:59] <johnny> some of the best and cheapest in the area
[08:00] <achandrashekar> we are very all tired of $tarbucks here..
[08:00] <johnny> there's a small premium for all the organic stuff we use.. but you can get a medium cup of shade grown, fair trade coffee that is mighty tasty for 1.60
[08:01] <achandrashekar> the coffee shop here in town gave coffee away for free when starbucks was closed.. and btw..that is a great price for fair trade
[08:01] <achandrashekar> well..ill know where to stop by in baltimore :)
[08:02] <johnny> well.. on that note...  here's where i wnt to setup a mobile ltsp lab ...
[08:02] <johnny> err moveable..
[08:02] <achandrashekar> laptops maybe?
[08:03] <johnny> http://redemmas.org/cms_media/IMG_1808.JPG
[08:03] <johnny> was thinking moving tables
[08:03] <johnny> with power strips and hubs attached
[08:04] <johnny> since we have many events there already
[08:04] <achandrashekar> pretty church
[08:06] <achandrashekar> well johnny i gotta get some z's here...before trying again...i do appreciate the help as always, and pleasure talking to you. :)
[08:38] <neil_d> hi, I am trying to configure ltsp to use the dhcp server from one machine but boot from another.  What do I put in the dhcp.conf file to say get files from a second computer ?
[08:59] <johnny> i think you want next-server ..
[09:00] <johnny> i know it is documented in the installed ltsp example
[10:13] <neil_d> johnny: I will try and find it
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[15:42] <neil_d> hi my dhcp on 192.168.1.254 is trying to get the clients to boot from 192.168.1.10, I have setup the 'next-server' option for the dhcp and according to wireshark it seems to be working.  but the client isn't booting :(  the tftp file doesn't seem to be being sent.  what is the actual name of the file on the server ?
[15:43] <ogra> it lies in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
[15:44] <ogra> tftp path should be /ltsp/i386
[15:44] <ogra> (resulting in a: filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; stanza)
[15:45] <neil_d> ogra: its there so I did generate it correctly. :)
[15:46] <neil_d> is there any way to check the tftp server is going ?
[15:50] <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[15:50] <ogra> on the server
[15:51] <neil_d> there is an entry.
[15:51] <ogra> your next-server is properly pointing to the right machine ?
[15:52] <neil_d> yes
[15:55] <neil_d> the DHCP offer packet includes the correct 'next server' info.
[15:55] <ogra> but you dont get a kernel ?
[15:56] <neil_d> nope! the clients tftp load times out :(  and I see no attemp in wireshark to connect :(
[15:57]  * neil_d but I could miss that I suppose.
[15:57] <ogra> the dhcp server and thinc client network are on the same network segment ?
[15:58] <neil_d> yes
[15:58] <ogra> so your ltsp server has only one NIC, right ?
[15:58] <neil_d> yes
[15:59] <ogra> if you install a tftp client on another machine, can you get pxelinux.0 manually ?
[16:01] <neil_d> I don't know.  I will start one up, is there a client likely to be installed ?
[16:02] <ogra> sudo apt-get install tftp-hpa
[16:02] <ogra> that will get you a client
[16:08] <neil_d> ok I have it installed
[16:08] <ogra> tftp <serverip>
[16:08] <ogra> then enter: get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
[16:08] <ogra> at the prompt
[16:09] <ogra> hot ctrl+d to exit
[16:09] <ogra> and check if it lies in your dir
[16:09] <ogra> s/hot/hit/
[16:10] <neil_d> ok done that and it did load it in.  So I suppose this must mean there is a problem with the dhcp ?
[16:11] <ogra> yeah
[16:11] <ogra> are you sure there is only one dhcpd running in your network ?
[16:12] <neil_d> yep!  I have had a fedora 4 dhcp server running for years now.  I have been thinking of updateing its OS but its my main file server, and I really don't want to upset it.
[16:13] <ogra> you cant run two dhcp servers in one network and have proper netbooting
[16:13] <ogra> fix that and it will work
[16:14] <neil_d> ogra: oh I know that, that is why I have trying to get a seperate DHCP server to the LTSP tftp server configured.
[16:14] <ogra> (thats why we default to a two NIC setup and run the thin client network on a dedicated interface with its own dhcpd)
[16:15] <ogra> (and thus on a completely separate netwirk)
[16:15] <ogra> *network
[16:16] <ogra> can you ping the ltsp server from the dhcp machine?
[16:16] <neil_d> I now the default is two nics, but this is just a testing system, and I won't be using it that much.  The main system (with two nics) is somewhere else.
[16:16] <neil_d> yep
[16:17] <ogra> well, there must be a second dhcpd somewhere
[16:18] <neil_d> I don't think so or none of the computers would boot correctly as they all rely on DHCP to configure there connections.
[16:19] <ogra> they do netbooting ?
[16:20] <neil_d> no, they have dynamic IP, except the one I am using for the ltsp server, its DHCP configuration sets a static IP.
[16:20] <ogra> ok
[16:20] <ogra> you dont have a dhcpd running on the ltsp server either i suppose ?
[16:22] <neil_d> there isn't even one installed.
[16:23] <ogra> weird
[16:23] <neil_d> is there a terminal program that does the same job as wireshark ?
[16:23] <ogra> tcpdump
[16:27] <neil_d> ogra: not installed on the DHCP computer. :(
[16:33] <neil_d> ogra: thanks for the help.   I got to go to bed now 1:33am here.
[16:34] <ogra> i'm here every day usually ...
[16:36] <neil_d> bye for now.
[17:38] <ukubuntu> apologies if  this has been asked before but did the edubuntu team have a session in Ubuntu week?
[17:39] <ogra> nope
[17:39] <ukubuntu> Thank you ogra,
[17:40] <ukubuntu> I see there is no Live CD planned, in order to show edu facilities the system, I guess the best way is to bring in a laptop, or can you suggest another way?
[17:41] <ogra> sadly no
[17:41] <ukubuntu> OK thanks
[17:41] <ogra> well, you can use a liveCD and install edubuntu-desktop fro the net in the runing session
[17:42] <ogra> *from
[17:42] <ukubuntu> heheh, if I were as good as you! :D
[18:02] <juliux> hey ogra
[18:02] <ogra> hey juliux, thanks for handholding my mother yesetrday :)
[18:02] <juliux> ogra, btw take some euros withyou too prag;)
[18:03] <ogra> oh, right
[18:03] <juliux> ogra, it was your mother?
[18:03] <ogra> we'll need to find a printer for the form
[18:03] <ogra> biggi is my mom :)
[18:03] <juliux> ok
[18:03] <juliux> i thought my parents are modern, but they are not in the irc;)
[18:04] <ogra> well, i've set it up for her :)
[18:04] <juliux> ogra, i will bring a form with me to prag
[18:04] <ogra> great
[18:04] <juliux> my parents have jabber accounts but they don't use them
[18:04] <ogra> i have the form as pdf i think
[18:05] <ogra> we just need to print it
[18:05] <juliux> ok
[18:05] <juliux> on friday i am a helper for the claires so we will have a printer;)
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[18:23] <RichEd> ogra: you on for the intel call tomorrow ?
[18:23] <ogra> do i have a choice :P
[18:24] <RichEd> not really since colin will not be there ... damn silly time zones
[18:24] <ogra> damn silly uk holidays
[18:24] <RichEd> well chat to you tomorrow ... still getting my head straight ... see you then
[18:25] <ogra> right, final image is up btw
[20:05] <achandrashekar> morning.
[20:05] <johnny> mornin
[20:07] <achandrashekar> johnny: i forgot to ask a question about whether flash and java would work if i build the 32 bit clients..i think you had mentioned something about that.
[20:07] <johnny> not sure about java.. don't use it
[20:07] <achandrashekar> i just simply need jre
[20:07] <johnny> 32bit clients has nothing to do with it
[20:07] <johnny> the problem is 64bit server
[20:07] <achandrashekar> i see.
[20:08] <achandrashekar> i guess installing the 32 bit version of ubuntu will solve many of these headaches
[20:08] <achandrashekar> so i wont see the overall benefits of the 64bit x2
[20:08] <achandrashekar> damn
[20:09] <johnny> it is possible to work
[20:10] <johnny> but really.. not many benefits to 64bit for normal desktop work as far as i've heard
[20:10] <johnny> if i could do my server over again... i'd do it 32bit
[20:10] <johnny> achandrashekar, this is what you get for relying on proprietary technologies
[20:11] <johnny> the open source flash and java implementations will work on 64bit
[20:11] <johnny> but because the proprietary implementations have been working good enough for most people
[20:11] <johnny> not enough time has been spent on them
[20:11] <johnny> adobe is slowly opening up more and more tho
[20:19] <achandrashekar> yeah....good ol closed source... yuck
[20:20] <achandrashekar> i see....and Im guessing you installed the 32bit version of the OS on your 64 bit server right?
[20:20] <johnny> no.. i said i wish i did
[20:20] <achandrashekar> oh..so you did go with the 64 bit, and then built the 32 bit client...and that is off 7.10??
[20:20] <johnny> my terminals don't have sound, otherwise i prolly would have already
[20:21] <johnny> 7.10 and now 8.04
[20:21] <achandrashekar> btw..found the place to change the which interface dhcp is to listen on -> /etc/default/dhcp
[20:21] <johnny> so.. you got taht workin?
[20:21] <achandrashekar> going in 10 mins to work
[20:21] <achandrashekar> and ill let ya know
[20:21] <achandrashekar> if it works.
[20:22] <achandrashekar> the huge problem is i cant trust the other admin with ldap implementation i did before... and that is why im hoping a 2gb system can power like 20 systems
[20:22] <achandrashekar> but i doubt it will
[20:22] <achandrashekar> so i might have to split the lab up
[20:22] <achandrashekar> into two parts with two systems
[20:23] <achandrashekar> and then have him manage accounts on both or something psychotic like that
[20:23] <achandrashekar> any suggestions on an idea to make it work with that many systems - approx 34 in that lab?
[20:24] <johnny> ldap seems the best way?
[20:25] <achandrashekar> yeah...this guy cant be trusted with it though.
[20:25] <achandrashekar> just seems to mess things up worse...im sure youll remember the power cord debacle i posted up.
[20:26] <johnny> fire him?
[20:26] <achandrashekar> lol...im sure they are on their way.
[20:27] <achandrashekar> i was made a strange offer of sorts..
[20:27] <achandrashekar> how would i like being "out" of the classroom and dealing with tech..is how they approached it.
[20:27] <achandrashekar> i h8 deals like that though
[20:27] <achandrashekar> they dont have to get service...being cheap.
[20:27] <achandrashekar> :)
[20:28] <achandrashekar> but then again..its what you love to do i suppose..after  seeing the place you work at..it was pretty incredible to see what you do..
[20:28] <achandrashekar> so i might just tend that way.
[20:29] <johnny> i'm having trouble finding local open source geeks ..
[20:29] <johnny> the only geeks i know.. are the kinds who spend lots of time on forensics and security
[20:29] <johnny> which is not exactly that useful to me
[20:30] <achandrashekar> yeah...the linux world has changed a bit..a lot of the guys have now gone into corporate
[20:30] <achandrashekar> and the "homebrew" ones are disappearing
[20:31] <johnny> i'd rather have some of the folks with corporate implementation jobs than security peeps :)
[20:31] <johnny> security peeps are useless for jump starting stuff
[20:33] <achandrashekar> yeah..they know wireshark and nessus..and that is it.
[20:34] <johnny> dont forget reading bugtraq (or whatever is hot these days)
[20:38] <achandrashekar> all right johnny im gonna sign off for a sec here..and drive into work.
[20:38] <achandrashekar> see you back in a bit
[22:03] <achandrashekar> well with some figuring out, it turns out network slowness was due the nvidia network card that comes with motherboard...it uses forcedeath, and that was causing issues. I chose to simply plugin another network card, and all is okay now.
[22:07] <johnny> hmm.. i use forcedeth here.. no problems
[22:07] <johnny> odd
[22:07] <johnny> but it's not under heavy load
[22:07] <johnny> maybe that'd the difference
[22:13] <privet> upgraded my aging FC4 with LTSP 4.2 to a new ubuntu 8.4.   some new thing to learn!
[22:14] <privet> the test PXE client boots fine, I see a "ubuntu knight rider splash" screen
[22:14] <privet> and then I get dropped in a busybox "ash"
[22:14] <privet> from the Wiki the default is for LDB to be SCREEN_01, right?
[22:14] <privet> *LDM
[22:18] <johnny> no
[22:18] <johnny> SCREEN_07
[22:18] <johnny> SCREEN_01 is always ash
[22:18] <johnny> but it's not the good one
[22:18] <johnny> if you want a proper shell
[22:19] <johnny> do SCREEN_NN  where NN is not 01 or 07
[22:19] <johnny> i wish i could figure out why this silly machine won't read my dnsmasq config
[22:19] <johnny> err
[22:19] <johnny> won't read my lts.conf from tftp
[22:20] <johnny> which i think might be related to dnsmasq
[22:22] <privet> johnny: okay, so perhaps SCREEN_08 = ldm
[22:22] <privet> ?
[22:22] <johnny> why
[22:22] <johnny> SCREEN_07 is default to ldm
[22:22] <johnny> you don't even have to set it
[22:22] <privet> that is the thing
[22:22] <johnny> afaik
[22:22] <privet> then it is not working
[22:23] <privet> I only get one "tty" and that gives me a ash
[22:23] <johnny> does it flash like i tries X?
[22:23] <johnny> maybe your settings are brokenz
[22:23] <johnny> set SCREEN_02=shell
[22:23] <johnny> and try to check into that
[22:23] <johnny> try to start ldm manually
[22:23] <privet> well, I do get the  "ubuntu night rider splash" screen
[22:23] <johnny> you can turn thta off
[22:23] <privet> and then, yes: t flashses and I get the ash
[22:23] <johnny> if you wanna see all the bootup messages
[22:24] <johnny>  it's in the pxelinux.cfg/defautl file
[22:24] <privet> should I start it from that ash or onthe actual server?
[22:24] <johnny> from the SCREEN_02
[22:24] <johnny> as i said :)
[22:24] <johnny> set that
[22:24] <johnny> to shell
[22:26] <johnny> and remove quiet splash from pxelinux.cfg/default
[22:29] <achandrashekar> johnny: okay...have one system connected to switch with the ltsp server...For some reason the performance is very slow...
[22:30] <achandrashekar> jhonny: when doing a top..i dont see the memory or processors being overloaded by anything..so im not sure where to begin to debug here.
[22:31] <johnny> try just transfering a big file maybe?
[22:32] <achandrashekar> the ltsp server performance is fine, the ping times to google from the ltsp client is acceptable, but the client itself when launching a browser or whatever takes at least 15-20 seconds
[22:37] <privet> mounting /rofs on /rot/rofs failed: invalid argument
[22:37] <privet> target filesystem does not have /sbin/init
[22:40] <privet> johnny: those errors mean anything to you.
[22:40] <privet> I suspect I have some NFS config lying around...
[22:41]  * privet takes a step back and start over...
[22:54] <johnny> ltsp doesn't use nfs by default
[22:54] <johnny> on ubuntu
[22:57] <johnny> i am heading out to get some foodz.. but i'll be somewhat back after that
[23:32] <killsalad> hi all, right now i'm writing a paper about LTSP, and i stuck with section which i called limitations of clients, please tell me what else can I plug to client beside printer and usb stic?
[23:36] <killsalad> ok - is it possible to burn cd on terminal?
[23:36] <LaserJock> yes it is
[23:37] <LaserJock> do you mean specifically from a thin client?
[23:38] <killsalad> ok from thin client which has a cd burner
[23:43] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure
[23:43] <LaserJock> that might be pretty difficult to do
[23:44] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think the data could be transferred fast enough over the netwrok
[23:45] <LaserJock> I don't know alot about LTSP though
[23:57] <stgraber> Most thin clients don't have CD/DVD drives anyway and indeed I wouldn't try it :)