| [00:14] * DanaG goes off and hugs Nodoka.... | |
| [00:14] <DanaG> and notes that that can be interpreted multiple ways. | |
| [00:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I realized that Fedora's settings for the windeco are actually not the default for that windeco engine, it seems. | |
| [00:21] <DanaG> I have a different variant from the 'nanolx' repo. | |
| === elkbuntu is now known as elky | |
| === elkbuntu is now known as elky | |
| === elky is now known as elkbuntu | |
| === DanaG is now known as _segfault_ | |
| [06:04] <_segfault_> before I annoy with too many changes.... | |
| [08:02] * DanaG goes to bed. | |
| [09:09] <lassegul> hi people. congrats on a fine looking heron | |
| [11:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: Look at the text files in the readme packages to get settings that don't exist in the docs. | |
| [11:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: Things like setting the radius of the corners of the windows etc. | |
| [11:19] <troy_s> Greetings coz_ | |
| [11:19] <coz_> troy_s, hey guy :) | |
| [11:19] <troy_s> coz_: How have you been? | |
| [11:20] <coz_> troy_s, not bad . busy.. | |
| [11:20] <coz_> how about yourself? | |
| [11:20] <troy_s> coz_: Fine thanks. Little busy. | |
| [11:20] <coz_> troy_s, I understand.... so is the artwork that didnt make it into hardy going into intrepid? | |
| [11:21] <troy_s> coz_: What artwork? | |
| [11:21] <coz_> oh! :) | |
| [11:21] <coz_> I though maybe some of the things that were proposed for hardy and didnt make it in might be worked on for intrepid | |
| [11:21] <troy_s> coz_: Doubtful... but maybe. | |
| [11:22] <coz_> troy_s, ok | |
| [11:22] <troy_s> coz_: I have no idea about the plans to change the theme etc. Personally, in terms of GTK, the look of the widgets are heavy handed akin to Tango heavy handed. | |
| [11:23] <troy_s> coz_: Aside from that, it is more about the standard sort of 'wrap-the-head-around-what-the-hell-any-design-is-trying-to-do' more than anything else. | |
| [11:23] <coz_> troy_s, ok well I am going to try to stay tuned in on this one... the best I can... see what I can offer | |
| [11:23] <coz_> troy_s, ooo ok | |
| [11:23] <troy_s> coz_: Probably wise to try and see what can be done in a smaller team setting. | |
| [11:24] <coz_> troy_s, smaller team setting? could you elaborate on that | |
| [11:24] <troy_s> coz_: Pick some people that you think you can work with and see if you can generate some magic. | |
| [11:25] <coz_> troy_s, i see so this is the new appraoch? | |
| [11:25] <troy_s> coz_: No but it is the only method to get anything done. | |
| [11:25] <troy_s> coz_: In a reasonably organized fashion. | |
| [11:25] <coz_> troy_s, that bad yikes | |
| [11:25] <troy_s> coz_: And it is the only way that anything has gotten into Ubuntu proper really. | |
| [11:26] <coz_> troy_s, ok understood i will have to look in to the members work then see who is doing what | |
| [11:27] <troy_s> coz_: Yep. It's pretty simple -- find someone you think you are on the same level / mindset with, and see if you can generate anything. | |
| [11:28] <coz_> troy_s, ok I will do my best, as i said I would like to stay in touch with this one since most of what is in hardy is not real impressive but I guess that is no surprise I was hoping for a little more " unph" :) | |
| [11:29] <troy_s> coz_: Well... hardy is more or less the same as it ever was with a different wallpaper. Unless I am missing some hundreds of hours of work somewhere. | |
| [11:30] <coz_> troy_s, :) i guess thats what I meant | |
| [11:30] <troy_s> coz_: I have been known to be completely ignorant of things however. That is all that I can _see_. | |
| [11:30] <thorwil> i think it was a good decision to have the LTS release end the cycle with basically the same artwork | |
| [11:30] <coz_> troy_s, I have never seen you as being ingnorant abou things | |
| [11:31] <troy_s> coz_: LOL. | |
| [11:31] <troy_s> coz_: Have you been up to any painting or otherwise? | |
| [11:32] <coz_> troy_s, I have been working in inkscape quite a bit however nothing that would warrant a view of so far just experiments etc other than that I have been doing the support in compiz fusion which has slowed down quite a bit and seeing nothing really unique making it into hardy I was dissapointed to the point that I felt I need to at least attemp someting | |
| [11:33] <troy_s> coz_: Unique is a strange bird. | |
| [11:33] <coz_> troy_s, yes but certainly a thing to work towards | |
| [11:34] <coz_> troy_s, I can only give it a try see what ideas i come up with and decide if they are worth submitting | |
| [11:34] <troy_s> coz_: Indeed. | |
| [11:34] <troy_s> coz_: In the end, all one can do is try. Even then, it could very well suck. lol. | |
| [11:34] <coz_> troy_s, for sure | |
| [11:35] <coz_> troy_s, has anyone come with ideas as to the Look and feel of intrepid | |
| [11:35] <troy_s> coz_: Gosh no. | |
| [11:35] <troy_s> coz_: I mean -- gosh yes. | |
| [11:35] <coz_> troy_s, lol | |
| [11:35] <troy_s> coz_: But ultimately they are rooted in the garbage 'I think' 'I think' 'I think' 'I think' syndrome. | |
| [11:36] <coz_> troy_s, oh geez | |
| [11:36] <troy_s> coz_: I end up in this strange place where I firmly believe I am an alien. I just get lost in the cyclic nature of failing to comprehend the issues at hand. | |
| [11:36] <coz_> troy_s, :) | |
| [11:38] <coz_> troy_s, I doubt you get that confused | |
| [11:38] <troy_s> coz_: Oh no, I do. | |
| [11:38] <troy_s> coz_: What confuses me is that it appears people can't put their finger on the nature of option versus goal. | |
| [11:38] <troy_s> coz_: Erk... opinion. | |
| [11:39] <coz_> troy_s, oh! | |
| [11:40] <troy_s> coz_: Opinions are terrific when one chooses to listen to them, but in the end, they are opinions. | |
| [11:40] <coz_> troy_s, sounds like you have been hitting your head against the wall lately | |
| [11:40] <troy_s> coz_: The goal of the design is a strange sort of calculated guess however, which should probably be a pretty far leap away from opinion. | |
| [11:41] <troy_s> coz_: Not really. Been too busy to get bothered by it. | |
| [11:41] <troy_s> coz_: Although there has been a lot of mail lately. | |
| [11:41] <coz_> troy_s, well as long as you dont leave | |
| [11:41] <coz_> troy_s, you mean the mailing list? | |
| [11:41] <troy_s> coz_: Lol. Been around here too long to be leaving really. I just patiently keep waiting. | |
| [11:42] <troy_s> coz_: Yeah... the list has been busy. | |
| [11:42] <thorwil> with noise | |
| [11:42] <coz_> troy_s, well yeah but that one about top and bottom post got me pretty peeved | |
| [11:42] <coz_> understandable but ... | |
| [11:42] <thorwil> i'm only staying subscribed for the rare request or announcement | |
| [11:42] <troy_s> coz_: Lol. I honestly could care less. The thing that drives me bonkers is the quote everything and put one line of comment at the top. | |
| [11:43] <troy_s> coz_: I find it easier to read and understand if people simply snip out the damn thing that is relevant and reply to the line. | |
| [11:43] <troy_s> coz_: But apparently that is not going to happen either. | |
| [11:43] <troy_s> thorwil: Greets. | |
| [11:43] <coz_> troy_s, hopefully things will get better | |
| [11:44] <thorwil> that's exactly what i'm asking for | |
| [11:44] * thorwil waves | |
| [11:45] <coz_> troy_s, what are the best times y our time that I can find you here? | |
| [11:45] <thorwil> i have no trust in the abilities of people who can't even edit text, when it comes to creating artwork. see, it's all communication and love for details | |
| [11:45] <troy_s> coz_: Well I am going to be done work for a while shortly. I'll be on more. | |
| [11:45] <coz_> troy_s, ok just wondering I have been here and of course I seem to come in when no one is talking :) | |
| [11:46] <troy_s> coz_: That happens. | |
| [11:46] <coz_> always for me at least | |
| [11:46] <troy_s> coz_: There isn't _too_ much talk here. | |
| [11:46] <coz_> I know | |
| [11:46] <thorwil> especially if troy_s isn't active ;) | |
| [11:46] <troy_s> coz_: As there isn't much to talk about. | |
| [11:46] <coz_> troy_s ooo thats discouraging | |
| [11:46] <troy_s> coz_: It is apathy. Just a bit of the reality of the circumstance. | |
| [11:47] <coz_> troy_s, is part of this apathy still related to shuttleworth in any way? | |
| [11:47] <troy_s> coz_: Not at all. Ubuntu is just a project that doesn't really care that much about certain things. | |
| [11:47] <coz_> troy_s, like art maybe :) | |
| [11:48] <troy_s> coz_: It comes down to an either you do or you don't. | |
| [11:48] <troy_s> coz_: Which largely stems from a lack of understanding / comprehension. It may very well change... but I am not exactly holding my breath. | |
| [11:48] <coz_> troy_s, dont turn blue ... its quite unattractive | |
| [11:49] <troy_s> coz_: Lol. Exactly. | |
| [11:49] <thorwil> what, should he turn brown or orange? | |
| [11:49] <coz_> :) | |
| [11:50] <troy_s> thorwil: LOL now that was funny. | |
| [11:50] <thorwil> Ubuntu: We don't hold our breath TM | |
| [11:51] <coz_> :) | |
| [11:51] <troy_s> LOL | |
| [11:51] <troy_s> Pursuing Excellence Just Like an Amoeba Does It. | |
| [11:52] <thorwil> lol | |
| [11:52] <troy_s> This isn't really entirely Ubuntu however, to be fair. | |
| [11:53] <coz_> troy_s, who do you attribute the blame to ? | |
| [11:53] <troy_s> coz_: No blame. | |
| [11:53] <coz_> ok | |
| [11:53] <troy_s> coz_: It's climate. | |
| [11:53] <coz_> ah | |
| [11:53] <troy_s> coz_: One can only look to the nature of the culture and see that as with everything, it is an evolutionary process. | |
| [11:53] <troy_s> coz_: Just imagine trying to get a job at say Apple without a degree in design or art, no portfolio, etc. | |
| [11:54] <troy_s> (and I hate using apple as an example, but alas...) | |
| [11:54] <troy_s> coz_: Yet that is the archetype driving the ship. | |
| [11:54] <coz_> troy_s, and you are applying that to the people involved in Ubuntu generally? | |
| [11:54] <troy_s> coz_: No. | |
| [11:54] <thorwil> coz_: plenty of developers are professionals or heading there | |
| [11:54] <coz_> ok it is 7am here I am not real awake apparenlty | |
| [11:55] <troy_s> coz_: It is across the entire culture. It is again, about climate. Heck it wasnt' that long ago that there weren't tools to even create work on FOSS. | |
| [11:55] <troy_s> thorwil: There are many professionals in terms of code. | |
| [11:55] <thorwil> coz_: but apparently, in artwork, there are very few skilled individuals. the rest are kids | |
| [11:55] <troy_s> thorwil: And that end is extremely top shelf. | |
| [11:55] <coz_> thorwil, I understand that and troy_s has brought that up in the past in different wording | |
| [11:56] <coz_> well everyone thinks they are an artist at some point | |
| [11:56] <troy_s> Ultimately it comes down to output. | |
| [11:56] <troy_s> Because without output, there isn't a barometer. | |
| [11:56] <coz_> ooo yes theory is nice but output is the key | |
| [11:56] <troy_s> And I suppose that everyone will carry on as is until they get that sort of sinking feeling that I had at a few points in my career... | |
| [11:56] <troy_s> where one realizes that they are rather insignificant. | |
| [11:57] <coz_> ooo been there | |
| [11:57] <troy_s> coz_: It happens when you see good work. | |
| [11:57] <thorwil> if you do digital painting or 3d, don't go to cgtalk ;) | |
| [11:58] <troy_s> thorwil: ? | |
| [11:58] <coz_> why is that? | |
| [11:58] <coz_> thorwil, #cgtalk ? | |
| [11:58] <thorwil> regarding good work and feeling insignificant: | |
| [11:59] <thorwil> http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?s=2e82e1261800a0a3f53b1e66792bec7b&f=121 | |
| [11:59] <thorwil> http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?s=2e82e1261800a0a3f53b1e66792bec7b&f=137 | |
| [11:59] <troy_s> Yeah some strange pursuit of mimesis there. | |
| [11:59] <troy_s> Never really understood that. | |
| [12:00] <troy_s> There was one site I came across the other day. The fellow used 3D in this rather beautiful strange abstract works. | |
| [12:00] <thorwil> oh common, there's enough there that doesn't try to copy the real world | |
| [12:01] <troy_s> It's pretty damn impressive on all counts however. | |
| [12:01] <troy_s> In terms of 3D, when you look at it and you have no clue, it is rather mind numbing. | |
| [12:01] <troy_s> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&s=f90f3bab558818a4aea5393bd5c54638&t=586695 | |
| [12:01] <thorwil> that's what i mean | |
| [12:02] <coz_> troy_s, yeah I guess that is a bit much but still nicely done | |
| [12:02] <troy_s> thorwil: The non 3D stuff is pretty magnificent. | |
| [12:03] <thorwil> troy_s: yes, all in all i prefer it over the 3d stuff | |
| [12:04] <troy_s> I have a series of photos that I need to finish | |
| [12:04] <troy_s> then I think I'm going to try and get something done with inkscape | |
| [12:04] <troy_s> using it as a paint tool... see how it ends up. | |
| [12:04] <coz_> ok guys ..it is after 7am here and I have not had breakfast.. so I need to go cook something be back a bit later... hope to see you both here :) | |
| [12:04] <thorwil> ugh. i have to get my wacom working again, thanks to this one thing broken in hardy | |
| [12:05] <troy_s> thorwil: Hrm... really? | |
| [12:05] <troy_s> oh yeah... last time I looked the stanzas were missing in the damn xorg. | |
| [12:05] <thorwil> troy_s: ok, there are more things broken, but it's the only real issue i have | |
| [12:05] <thorwil> nah, my xorg.conf is fine | |
| [12:06] <troy_s> whats busted tehn??!? | |
| [12:07] <thorwil> after skimming forum posts and bug reports, it looks like it could be the kernel and/or an incompatibility between x and the wacom-tools | |
| [12:07] <troy_s> thorwil: No way | |
| [12:07] <troy_s> thorwil: I haven't tried since I bumped up...that would be a major problem for me. | |
| [12:08] <thorwil> note that i have a serial tablet | |
| [12:09] * thorwil turns up the music and goes to clean the bathroom | |
| [12:15] <troy_s> thorwil: Ok night. I'm off. Werk on the morrow. Nice seeing you again. | |
| [12:52] <andreasn> troy_s: nice inkscape tutorial on your blog | |
| [12:53] <coz_> whoa didnt see that andreasn do you have link handy? | |
| [12:54] <andreasn> coz_: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/04/inkscape-tutorial-2-text-and-simple.html | |
| [12:54] <coz_> thanks :) | |
| === thorwil_ is now known as thorwil | |
| [15:47] <artir> cimi, where is the murrine's source code? | |
| [15:47] <artir> i want RGBA on my desktop! | |
| [15:47] <artir> :) | |
| [15:56] <Cimi> artir, you need to w8 gtk+ patches | |
| [15:56] <artir> i have v 0.60 bzr 39.2-1 | |
| [15:57] <artir> and RGBA work in some places | |
| [15:57] <artir> it looks like an alpha | |
| [15:57] <artir> but is k00l | |
| [15:57] <Cimi> bzrbzr? | |
| [15:57] <Cimi> bzr? | |
| [15:57] <artir> i got it from a ppa | |
| [15:57] <artir> from gilir's ppa | |
| [15:58] <Cimi> mmm I must ask him to close it | |
| [15:58] <Cimi> where is that repo? | |
| [15:58] <artir> http://ppa.launchpad.net/gilir/ubuntu | |
| [15:59] <artir> why do you want to close it? | |
| [15:59] <Cimi> oh lucky, old version :) | |
| [17:44] <smallfoot-> what is the Human icon theme license? | |
| [17:46] <thorwil> smallfoot-: GPL 2, i think | |
| [17:46] <thorwil> no wait | |
| [17:47] <thorwil> Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 | |
| [17:47] <smallfoot-> oh | |
| [17:47] <smallfoot-> there should be an easy way to find out | |
| [17:47] <thorwil> smallfoot-: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/human-icon-theme | |
| [17:48] <thorwil> see Copyright File on the right | |
| [17:49] <smallfoot-> ah thanks | |
| [17:49] <smallfoot-> should be able to see license from synaptic though | |
| [17:50] <smallfoot-> who owns the copyright? | |
| [17:50] <smallfoot-> Ubuntu Foundation, Ubuntu Art Team or Canonical? | |
| [17:51] <_MMA_> Most likely Canonical. | |
| [17:51] <_MMA_> Why do you ask? | |
| [17:51] <thorwil> smallfoot-: true, synaptic should show license. consider filing a feature request | |
| [17:51] <smallfoot-> im uploading screenshot to wikipedia | |
| [17:52] <smallfoot-> and wikipedia needs to know author and copyright holder | |
| [17:52] <smallfoot-> else it delete image | |
| [17:52] <smallfoot-> because wikipedia dont want people to upload copyright images | |
| [17:52] <thorwil> smallfoot-: from the file: Copyright 2004-2006 Canonical Ltd. | |
| [17:52] <smallfoot-> oh | |
| [17:55] <smallfoot-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolbar | |
| [17:56] <smallfoot-> look cute, now toolbar is on wikipedia :D | |
| [22:09] <cody-somerville> _MMA_, what do you think would be more useful in Prague? EUR or CZK? | |
| [22:24] <_MMA_> EUR | |
| [23:13] <cody-somerville> doh :/ I bought more CZK then EUR. | |
| [23:20] <_MMA_> Won't matter really. Im going EUR because Im also traveling. | |