2008/04/25/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:00] <jeroen-> I was just wondering; is there somewhere already a oxygen-icon-set for OpenOffice?
[00:00] <Riddell> no, one is needed
[00:01] <jeroen-> yes off cource for kde4
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[00:01] <jeroen-> and for people (like me) who use the oxygen-icons already in KDE3 :-)
[00:21] <Jucato> Riddell: <altj> BTW, the DVD bittorrent link on this page is broken http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php <altj> it looks like it should point here instead http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/dvd/
[00:22] <Riddell> Jucato: fixed
[00:22] <Jucato> thanks
[00:23] <mkargar> i want download link fo r kubuntu hardy-kde4 dvd ver?
[00:24] <Riddell> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/dvd/
[00:24] <altj> is there a kde4 dvd image?
[00:24] <Riddell> no
[00:24] <Riddell> kde3 only
[00:24] <mkargar> it's KDE3!!only!
[00:25] <mkargar> I want kde4(64bit)!
[00:25] <altj> looks like you'll have to install off the cd
[00:50] <XanK> Silence ftw
[00:55] <rbrunhuber> There is nearly no press statements about kubuntu, why?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> cause Kubuntu is the hated cuz.
[00:57] <crimsun> the KDE4 remix got a shout out from the un-cuz, so.
[00:58] <nixternal> the un-cuz?
[00:59] <rbrunhuber> Maybe i should look for a new, more kde centered distro
[00:59] <crimsun> nixternal: sabdfl.
[01:01] <nixternal> crimsun: ya, by accident supposedly :p
[01:01] <crimsun> good press nonetheless.
[01:03] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/
[01:03] <nixternal> I have to admit, that looks hot
[01:03] <crimsun> looks very text-y.
[01:03] <nixternal> looks a tad bit more professional than their front page though
[01:04] <nixternal> they have a webmaster though full-time
[01:05] <santiago-ve> nixternal, we could do that too for kubuntu... :)
[01:05] <nixternal> Riddell: umm, how come we don't have a press release on the dot? I will do it, but you have to wait until I get home
[01:05] <rbrunhuber> Everything k is somewhat second-citizen.
[01:06] <nixternal> I am sick as hell of this 2nd citizen shit already
[01:06] <nixternal> if K was 2nd citizen, then why does EDS Statistics prove we have the majority of the desktop environments? KDE that is
[01:07] <santiago-ve> nixternal, we can even focus on the two kinds of users... End Users and Developers
[01:07] <santiago-ve> and have a kind of web-team
[01:07] <nixternal> and lusers like me :)
[01:07] <santiago-ve> lusers?
[01:07]  * santiago-ve scratches his head
[01:07] <nixternal> santiago-ve: we have a web team, they just have to wait
[01:07] <santiago-ve> hehe
[01:08] <nixternal> it was a joke, instead of losers I did lusers instead
[01:08] <nixternal> nobody really has time for it... ryanakca has been busting his arse on the future of the kubuntu website
[01:09] <santiago-ve> ye i got it... i just didnt wanted to.. err you know call you loser xD
[01:09] <santiago-ve> so took the chance of doubt, "Lurking users"
[01:10] <nixternal> Riddell: derr, I forgot about the contribute button, working up something now
[01:10] <rbrunhuber> Even hobbsee stepped off a council just now
[01:18] <stdin> hmm, I don't like that ^ guy
[01:24] <nixternal> stdin: you and I both
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[01:33] <nixternal> Riddell: I posted a release announcement on the dot
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[02:06] <nixternal> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3431
[02:07] <nixternal> that story rocks!
[02:07] <nixternal> bah, I have to participate in class activities...no more sleeping :(
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[02:13] <nosrednaekim> haha nixternal
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[04:17] <yuriy> release party went well
[04:24] <CheGuevara> this is confusing
[04:24] <CheGuevara> which package provides qdbusproxy.h
[04:28] <yuriy> CheGuevara: hmm none according to packages.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <CheGuevara> hmm yeah
[04:29] <CheGuevara> but they are in /usr/include/kde/dbus-1.0/qt3/dbus somehow
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[06:47] <DaSkreech> The Dual Vision image for the Kubuntu page is brilliant :)
[06:47] <DaSkreech> grats to whoever did it
[06:53] <apachelogger> I have a hangover :(
[06:53] <CheGuevara> i wish i had one, instead i am messing around with plasmoids at 7 in the morning
[06:53] <DaSkreech> CheGuevara: They burn your fingers if youtouch them too long
[06:54] <CheGuevara> heh
[06:54] <CheGuevara> wanna get the networkmanager plasmoid working
[06:54] <CheGuevara> damn plasma api changes
[06:57] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: I doubt it will
[06:57] <CheGuevara> hmm?
[06:57] <CheGuevara> there's a gray message near the plasmoid with the error, but it cuts off the most useful part
[06:57] <apachelogger> lol
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[07:30] <DaSkreech> Woah
[07:30] <DaSkreech> I can read ODF in gwenview?
[07:31] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: everything is possible nowadays
[07:31] <apachelogger> though I wonder why gwenview would do that
[07:32] <apachelogger> maybe gwenview is becoming okular2
[07:33] <DaSkreech> It even shows me formulas in the address bar
[07:33] <DaSkreech> it's crazy
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Trying to leave the ODF crashes gwenview though :)
[07:50] <apachelogger> yay akonadi
[07:51]  * DaSkreech looks up
[07:55] <\sh> apachelogger, check out "Van Mille" on jamendo.com...very good sound
[07:56] <\sh> apachelogger, as well, check out Atomic Cat, especially the album "Trance time" of them...very pro...and CC Licensed :)
[07:57] <apachelogger> last time I was listening to atomic cat I almost got an heart attack because it was so awful
[07:58] <rakekniven> Hello, I (my wife) own a dell inspirion 6400. It was delivered with ubuntu 7.04 and right now I freshly upgraded it to 8.04. Now it is time to use kubuntu!I just ran "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[07:58] <rakekniven> kdm is now active instead of gdm
[07:58] <rakekniven> How to auto login for default user?
[08:00] <\sh> apachelogger, well, I like that trance time thing...the other 2 albums are really crap
[08:00] <apachelogger> ok, gotta check it out then :D
[08:00] <jussio1> rakekniven: the support channel is in #kubuntu, but system settings, advanced, login manager, convenience
[08:02] <rakekniven> ok, but this hint only works with gdm, I have kdm and get an error
[08:12] <jussio1> hrm, does lspci have a more verbose switch?
[08:13] <jussio1> hrm... didnt realise it had  man page :D
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[08:54] <Serega> hi friends!
[09:29] <DaSkreech> hi
[09:29] <DaSkreech> and night
[09:35] <rakekniven> I have a dell 6400 . Since I did the  update to 8.04 my computer gives a loud beep via speakers while booting. It is when kubuntus progress bar is around 80%. What can it be?
[09:43] <apachelogger> rakekniven: #kubuntu for support
[09:44] <rakekniven> I asked it there already
[09:44] <rakekniven> Thought 8.04 is brandnew, so maybe someone here can help me
[09:44] <apachelogger> right, that doesn't make this channel a support channel still
[09:45] <apachelogger> rakekniven: lsmod | grep pcspkr
[09:46] <rakekniven> module is there
[09:46] <apachelogger> rakekniven: echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/pcspkr-off
[09:46] <apachelogger>  next time use google
[09:48] <jussio1> apachelogger: hows your head?
[09:48] <rakekniven> I am brand new to ubuntu after 10 years of suse. So how should I know to google for pcspkr?
[09:48] <apachelogger> like an eastern german's one the day after the german reunion
[09:48] <rakekniven> Anyway, thank you!
[09:49] <apachelogger> rakekniven: maybe google for dell pc speaker beep?
[09:49] <apachelogger> and again
[09:49] <apachelogger> this is not a support channel
[09:49] <jussio1> apachelogger: ouch :/
[09:50] <rakekniven> Yesterday evening it looked like :-)
[09:50] <apachelogger> evening is relative
[09:50] <apachelogger> and I doubt it
[09:50] <jussio1> apachelogger: you are going to get quassel into intrepid?
[09:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: ?
[09:50] <apachelogger> jpatrick: he just noted that you are coming to prague
[09:50] <apachelogger> jussi01: yes
[09:50] <apachelogger> one day
[09:50] <jussio1> lol
[09:51] <rakekniven> apachelogger: Bleib mal locker, wird auch nie wieder vorkommen
[09:51] <jpatrick> apachelogger: oh, right, looked random in my awaylog
[09:51] <jussio1> rakekniven: english only in here please
[09:51] <apachelogger> jussi01: that is german, which is allowed here
[09:51] <apachelogger> rakekniven: ich mein nur
[09:51] <jussio1> apachelogger: really?
[09:51] <jussio1> o.O
[09:52] <jpatrick> jussio1: ja, wirklich
[09:52] <apachelogger> jussi01: in the past french was the 2nd language of choice
[09:52] <rakekniven> Thank you and cheers.
[09:52] <apachelogger> but since there isn't much french going on anymore
[09:52] <jussio1> I just hate it when someone is holding a conversation in one language, then suddenly switches to another :/
[09:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: I find that quite funny, it provides a more international feeling ;-)
[09:54] <jussio1> apachelogger: no doubt... since you understand german, which I dont...
[09:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: nah, same applies for other languages
[09:54] <apachelogger> even if I don't understand it
[09:54] <apachelogger> one can always ask for the topic :)
[10:00] <jpatrick> apachelogger: why aren't you coming? :(
[10:01] <apachelogger> jpatrick: final exams
[10:01] <jpatrick> apachelogger: damn.
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[10:19] <snikker> hi, i'm unable to upgrade from cdrom. i've found this in the log file http://pastebin.com/d21e5ccd5
[10:20] <snikker> i've used an alternate cd, and md5 are ok..
[10:24] <apachelogger> snikker: #kubuntu for support please
[10:25] <snikker> apachelogger: ok, sorry.
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[14:48] <txwikinger> Riddell: We have translated the new release notes into German. If you want to link them again -> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/kubuntu-8-04-hardy-heron-freigegeben
[15:08] <ScottK> Has anyone looks at Debian's source package scheme for KDE4 and compared it with ours to find commonality/divergence?
[15:12] <Riddell> txwikinger: added, thanks
[15:12] <txwikinger> Thanks
[15:13] <Riddell> ScottK: main difference is they're doing 4.1 and installing to /usr
[15:13] <Riddell> once ibex is open we'll merge and be pretty close to what they have
[15:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  So the package naming and what they cover is pretty close?  That's better than I'd thought it would be.
[15:14] <ScottK> Do we have a design yet for KDE3 -> KDE4 upgrades?
[15:14] <Riddell> ScottK: of course, our packages are based on theirs
[15:14] <Riddell> ScottK: we'll move the config dir to ~/.kde and it'll all work perfectly
[15:15] <apachelogger> ...in theory ;-)
[15:15] <ScottK> OK.  I'd had the impression we'd done ours independently.  Great.
[15:15]  * ScottK loves the optimism of the young.
[15:16] <ScottK> Are we going to move/copy the old configs to ~/.kde3?
[15:18] <Riddell> don't see any reason to
[15:20] <ScottK> I guess my real question is, is there going to be an installable kde3 desktop in Intrepid (in Universe no doubt) or will it just be whichever bits have rdepends?
[15:20] <Riddell> no, kde 3 is dead, we'll keep apps where there's no kde 4 version but that's all
[15:21] <ScottK> OK.
[15:22] <ScottK> The other reason I could think is to assist in working through migration issues.  Something like "All of your old KDE3 settings have been moved to ~/.kd3.  If you have application setup issues, this information may be useful.  Once you are satisfied with the setup of your new kde4 desktop, this directory may be deleted."
[15:22] <ScottK> Dunno if it's needful or not.
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> So Intrepid will be KDE 4.1 from the start?
[15:23] <smarter> "All your old KDE3 settings are belong to us"
[15:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yep
[15:24] <smarter> we're really going to kill KDE3 in intrepid?
[15:24] <Riddell> ScottK: but we don't want to move them, we want to preserve existing settings
[15:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: .kde can be really big which makes that action very unacceptable for all users, especially when the partition is filled up anyyway
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: ScottK means some kind of fallback copy I guess
[15:24] <apachelogger> in case something goes wrong
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> So then it wouldn't be worth it to package any KDE-look plasmoids until they are ported to 4.1, due to the plasma api changes.
[15:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Move/Copy then.
[15:25] <Riddell> we'll have to try it and see, but I don't have any reason to believe that kde 3 -> 4 settings upgrades are at all problematic
[15:25] <ScottK> OK.
[15:25] <Riddell> if they are, then sure we'll need to do something like that
[15:25] <apachelogger> they are in some cases
[15:25] <apachelogger> I heard of completely broken konquerors for example
[15:26] <apachelogger> also some of the kdeglobals settings can cause issues
[15:27] <ScottK> By design or bugs?
[15:27] <ScottK> Will akonadi be default for Kmail mail storage or will a user have to ask for it?
[15:27] <ScottK> Honestly that one worries me.
[15:28] <apachelogger> currently it is not
[15:28] <apachelogger> not even accessible from kmail
[15:29] <\sh> woohooo
[15:29] <\sh> bug #194474
[15:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194474
[15:29] <smarter> \sh: this bug should be medium or high
[15:30] <smarter> according to upstream, this is a Kubuntu-only bug
[15:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:30] <apachelogger> luks patch caused
[15:30] <apachelogger> I bet 50 bucks on that
[15:30] <\sh> http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2008/04/kubuntu-804-released-with-rock-solid.html
[15:30] <apachelogger> my thought on the luks patch: letz _never_ implement such a big patch again
[15:30] <smarter> apachelogger: there's two patches which mess with kded, luks is one of them
[15:30] <\sh> apachelogger, why it wasn't reverted then?
[15:31] <apachelogger> I recommended it
[15:31] <apachelogger> apparently none was listening
[15:31] <apachelogger> smarter: luks patch is changing a lot of vital structures within kded
[15:31] <apachelogger> touch all sorts of stock kded modules
[15:32] <smarter> the other patch is kubuntu_9923_low_disk_space.diff which was added with 3.5.9
[15:32] <\sh> apachelogger, what was the rational behind the patch then, if we knew it freaks out
[15:32] <apachelogger> I only knew for amarok
[15:32] <apachelogger> broke the complete media device stuff
[15:32] <smarter> is it fixed?
[15:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:32] <apachelogger> that took 12 hours of my life though
[15:33] <apachelogger> poor me, really -.-
[15:34] <\sh> well, /me is heading home now...I'm tired...:(
[15:34] <\sh> cu later
[15:34] <apachelogger> hehe, tired :D
[15:34]  * apachelogger doesn't have a hungover anymore but is also tired now
[15:34] <apachelogger> *hangover even
[15:43] <smarter> +    while (dbus_connection_dispatch(dbus_connection) == DBUS_DISPATCH_DATA_REMAINS) ;
[15:43] <smarter> that's exacty what could cause a loop
[15:43] <ScottK> Sounds like maybe SRU time then.
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[16:12] <mhb> hi
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> hey mhb
[16:31] <mkargar> hello friends:please help me in finding download link for Kubuntu hardy-kde4 DVD Version:)
[16:32] <apachelogger> I doubt there is one
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, just like we said in #kubuntu-kde4, there is only a CD
[16:36] <mkargar> oh!ok:)
[16:44] <nixternal> jeesh, 24 hours later and the archives are still pinged to hell
[16:45] <apachelogger> question: why don't we have screencast.kubuntu.org?
[16:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: people are still downloading!
[16:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there's still 8000 odd people on the ubuntu i386 tracker, you know...
[16:48] <nixternal> why don't we have start.kubuntu.org?
[16:48] <nixternal> ubuntu has a groovy startpage
[16:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: is that the ubuntu tour?
[16:48] <nixternal> I am liking the new theme for ubuntu.com stuff they are showing off
[16:48] <nixternal> apachelogger: no
[16:48] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:49] <apachelogger> we need that as well
[16:49] <nixternal> could this eclipse plugin update go any slower
[16:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what is my opinion on kubuntu promotion again?
[16:50] <nixternal> I cannot wait for KDevelop 2...I hope it is as easy and as intuitive as eclipse, just much faster
[16:50]  * Nightrose checks her notes about that
[16:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not enough of it
[16:50] <nixternal> apachelogger: there isn't any?
[16:50] <nixternal> :)
[16:50] <apachelogger> hm, is there any?
[16:50] <Nightrose> there is
[16:50] <nixternal> besides our blogs?
[16:50] <apachelogger> I might have to use strigi to find it I guess
[16:50] <Nightrose> there are talks I heard :P
[16:50]  * apachelogger strigis for kubuntu promo
[16:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is not promotion
[16:51] <apachelogger> or rather
[16:51] <nixternal> Nightrose: ya, I give about 1 talk a week on KDE and Kubuntu here in the Chicago land area
[16:51] <apachelogger> nto any marketing
[16:51] <apachelogger> *not
[16:51] <nixternal> I need some money so I can venture out and do more
[16:51] <Nightrose> nixternal: ditto
[16:51] <Riddell> nixternal: 1 a week?  that's a lot, who to?
[16:51] <yuriy> nixternal: eclipse is intuitive now?
[16:52]  * apachelogger needs money to employ people to take care of his visions
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: cats, dogs, somtimes cars I guess ;-)
[16:52] <smarter> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ?
[16:52] <nixternal> Riddell: different local universities (there are over 50 in the area alone) and various user groups
[16:52] <apachelogger> woah
[16:52] <apachelogger> 50
[16:52] <nixternal> Riddell: plus KDE and Kubuntu is about all that is in my vocabulary now a days :)
[16:52] <Nightrose> nixternal++
[16:52] <nixternal> apachelogger: probably more
[16:53] <apachelogger> that's almost enough for one year of talks
[16:53] <apachelogger> and then you can start form the beginning :D
[16:53] <nixternal> most of the universities/colleges around here have computer group meetings once a week where they try to draw in a new crowd
[16:53] <smarter> nixternal: you were thinking of a start page like: /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/kfirefox-index.html ?
[16:53] <nixternal> that is garbage smarter :) I created it, so I know it is garbage :)
[16:54] <nixternal> hehe
[16:54] <apachelogger> lol
[16:54] <smarter> ah :)
[16:54] <nixternal> Ubuntu has http://start.ubuntu.com I think it was
[16:54] <nixternal> it looks sharp though
[16:54] <apachelogger> start.ubuntu redirects to www.ubuntu
[16:54] <smarter> redirects to ubuntu.com
[16:54] <apachelogger> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/
[16:54] <nixternal> there is a port number to use and I don't know it off hand
[16:54] <apachelogger> that thing is super good
[16:54] <nixternal> ya it is
[16:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think we should get sven to do amarok promotion on his own and we should launch a super cool codename'd promo campain for kubuntu
[16:56] <Nightrose> generally I think that would be a good idea
[16:56] <Nightrose> but:
[16:56] <Nightrose> e cannot let sven do amarok promo on his own!
[16:56] <Nightrose> no way
[16:56] <apachelogger> yeah, right, he isn't very good at it
[16:56] <apachelogger> what happened to my squad anyway
[16:56] <nixternal> only one way to get good at it though, let him do some
[16:56] <apachelogger> I am afraid I am a bad markting campaign leader
[16:57] <Nightrose> nixternal: he does already
[16:57] <Nightrose> for years ;-)
[16:57] <nixternal> can't have that attitude in a volunteer community :)
[16:57] <nixternal> is it a language barrier?
[16:57] <apachelogger> he actually helped me start rokymotion
[16:57] <Nightrose> nah
[16:57] <Nightrose> it is just sven ;-)
[16:57] <nixternal> heh
[16:57] <apachelogger> good promotion is tricky
[16:57] <nixternal> you want to watch an amazing speaker, Jono most definitely, but Mako totally blows my mind
[16:57] <apachelogger> you have to know what the target user group expects
[16:58] <nixternal> he is this free spirited dude that just does what he wants, then boom it is talk time...his brain has to be full
[16:58] <nixternal> I watch his talk last weekend on errors, freakin' awesome
[16:59] <Nightrose> nixternal: the problem with sven is mainly that he totally lacks attention to detail
[16:59] <Nightrose> besides that he does good work
[16:59] <Nightrose> and is a good freind
[16:59] <Nightrose> *friend
[16:59] <apachelogger> and a good alcoholic :P
[16:59] <yuriy> both Jono and mako were at our release party :D
[16:59] <Nightrose> haha
[16:59] <Nightrose> right
[17:00] <nixternal> yuriy: oh ya, I forgot that Jono is in Lexington this weekend
[17:01] <apachelogger> meh I broke plasma again
[17:01] <nixternal> again? thought plasma has been broken for almost 2 weeks now :)
[17:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, it is actually working for almost 2 weeks now :P
[17:01] <apachelogger> just not that well
[17:01] <apachelogger> and not completly
[17:01] <nixternal> just not that well != working :)
[17:02] <apachelogger> really, who needs a systray? :P
[17:02] <nixternal> hahah
[17:03]  * nixternal goes and gets out of his pajamas just in case we get wiped out by a tornado...don't want to have to walk out in my pj's
[17:03] <nixternal> I don't get it...growing up the only time we heard the tornado sirens was the first tuesday every month for testing
[17:03] <nixternal> hell, now we here them a quite a few times when not testing
[17:03] <nixternal> hola jjesse
[17:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: my opinion on torandos is?
[17:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: they are scary
[17:04] <jjesse> hola nixternal
[17:04] <apachelogger> oh
[17:04] <nixternal> hehe
[17:04] <apachelogger> that was wrong
[17:04] <apachelogger> they are just overrated
[17:04] <nixternal> ya, until you get hit by one
[17:04] <apachelogger> stupid tornados
[17:04] <apachelogger> as if they were important
[17:04] <nixternal> they will suck the underwear right off your body
[17:04] <apachelogger> walking around like motus
[17:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: scary != important
[17:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: that actually sounds interesting
[17:05] <nixternal> leave you with one shoe on standing in the driveway butt nekked :p
[17:05] <Nightrose> nixternal: he would like that ;-)
[17:05] <nixternal> that is of course if you survive
[17:05] <apachelogger> indeed
[17:05] <nixternal> Nightrose: haha, he is probably dressed like that right now
[17:05] <Nightrose> :P
[17:05] <apachelogger> that sounds like a good way to meet new people
[17:05]  * nixternal goes and blows his head off to get rid of that mental image
[17:05] <Nightrose> ohnoes
[17:06] <nixternal> haha
[17:06] <apachelogger> which reminds me on the question whether I can do the KDE MM talk dressed up as leather daddy
[17:06] <Nightrose> no!
[17:06] <apachelogger> in torando outfit?
[17:06] <Nightrose> no not that either
[17:06] <nixternal> OMG!#!@!!
[17:07] <apachelogger> meh
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> PONIES
[17:07] <nixternal> I have the local news on watching the weather
[17:07] <apachelogger> that talk is going to be so boring
[17:07] <nixternal> and their looper just blue screened
[17:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where? Oo
[17:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: Oo
[17:07] <apachelogger> omg
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> haha
[17:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nah we are going to rock the crowd :P
[17:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are we singing?
[17:07] <nixternal> never in my life...they are talking about the severe weather heading our way, when and where to duck for cover, and then boom! Microsoft crashes
[17:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you can tress up like leinir though
[17:07] <nixternal> now the entire state will die
[17:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea we can sing
[17:07] <nixternal> damn you microsoft!
[17:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: windows can also be afraid
[17:08] <jjesse> why now damn you microsoft?
[17:08] <nixternal> haha
[17:08] <apachelogger> maybe it crashed to prevent you from a heat attack?
[17:08] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: furryly?
[17:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: jep
[17:08]  * apachelogger finds furry quite erotic lately :P
[17:08] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:08] <nixternal> jjesse: we have severe weather and the local news was showing who is getting hit, when and where it will hit next, and if you should or shouldn't take cover..and his presentation crashed
[17:08] <Nightrose> I knpw
[17:08] <Nightrose> *know
[17:09] <nixternal> Art Norman rocks! he yelled out "CONTROL ALT DELETE!"
[17:09] <apachelogger> lol
[17:09] <nixternal> hahahahaha...we have clowns for our news
[17:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: call them
[17:09] <jjesse> lol
[17:09] <nosrednaekim> haha
[17:09] <apachelogger> recommend kubuntu
[17:09] <nixternal> jjesse: do you get our NBC 5 news in GR?
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu + wine
[17:09] <nixternal> I know they get it in Benton Harlem
[17:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dood, you are so focused on alcohol
[17:09]  * nixternal hears thunder...starts to cry...hold me
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> :P
[17:10]  * Nightrose holds nixternal
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu + Wine Is Not an Emulator
[17:10] <Nightrose> everything is going to be ok
[17:10]  * apachelogger gives nixternal a dragon
[17:10] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:10] <apachelogger> that thing soud guard you
[17:10] <apachelogger> *should
[17:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: a konqui?
[17:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: of course it is not, as Coke is Not an Emulator
[17:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yeah, whatever
[17:11] <smarter> Wine is not an emulator is not an emulator is not an emulator
[17:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I want a konqui to protect me as well
[17:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you haz thunder?
[17:11] <Nightrose> nope
[17:11] <Nightrose> still
[17:11] <Nightrose> I needs one
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and about the PONIES thing: http://www.metlin.org/content/blog/omgponies.jpg
[17:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: use the core
[17:11] <Nightrose> think of all the scary guys out there
[17:11] <apachelogger> ..like the core?
[17:11] <Nightrose> yea
[17:12] <apachelogger> indeed, very scary he is
[17:12] <Nightrose> :P
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[17:13]  * apachelogger shouts KAY DEE EEE through the channel
[17:15] <apachelogger> wow 25kB/s from at.archive.ubuntu
[17:15] <apachelogger> that is almost fast
[17:16] <jjesse> us.archive is running slow as well :(
[17:16] <smarter> tip: de.archive is okay
[17:16] <smarter> fr.archive is slow as hell
[17:16] <jjesse> untile you just mentioend it :)
[17:16] <smarter> yes :)
[17:16] <apachelogger> they should just run the fr archive on the europecluster thingy
[17:17]  * smarter is going to try the swiss mirror
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> try cc.columbia.... its always fast.
[17:19] <smarter> switzerland = 188 kB/s
[17:19] <smarter> but you have to find the country code to use it (:
[17:19] <jjesse> sw?
[17:19] <smarter> nop
[17:19] <jjesse> sz?
[17:20] <smarter> that should be sweden
[17:20] <smarter> no
[17:20] <Nightrose> ch
[17:20] <jjesse> ch
[17:20] <apachelogger> ch
[17:20] <jjesse> hrmm why ch/
[17:20] <smarter> yes :]
[17:20] <smarter> ch = Confédération Helvetique
[17:20] <Nightrose> confoederatiohelvetiva
[17:21] <jjesse> that must be the official name/
[17:21] <Nightrose> space in there and -typos :P
[17:21] <jjesse> hrmm shift key stopped working
[17:21] <apachelogger> overrated
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> apparent;y apachelogger's - key has stopped working
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[18:06] <nosrednaekim> ok.... can the offical ISO's be changed?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> the kde4 remix CD needs knetworkconf-kde4 on it
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> for all these people with static IP's
[18:07] <jjesse> why is it so hard to find a good mirror for remix/
[18:07] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: no
[18:07] <apachelogger> would have to be done for .1
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> err
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> this is horrible.
[18:08] <jussio1> !torrents-#kubuntu
[18:08] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 3.5.9) or http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 4.0.3)
[18:13] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: Some kind of SRU would be needed to I'd imagine.
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> yeah..... its the Re-mix though, so there is no commercial support, no ship-it, etc. How difficult would that be?
[18:15] <ScottK> I'd imagine not that difficult, but you'd have to talk to Riddell.
[18:15] <nosrednaekim> ok
[18:19] <jjesse> wow switching between windows is so painfully slow
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: kde4?
[18:19] <jjesse> yes kde4
[18:20] <jjesse> 4 gigs of ram for my system
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... you running compositing?
[18:20] <jjesse> nope
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> kwin is faster with compositing turned on IME
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> (if you have OpenGL)
[18:22] <jjesse> ok i'll have try that
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[19:24] <jjesse> hrm update and restart of kdm made my atl-tab speed pick up
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> ping Riddell
[20:10] <jjesse> i think he is now on vacation :)
[20:10] <jjesse> or "has left the building"
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> heh :)
[20:13] <apachelogger> I never get vacation -.-
[20:14] <apachelogger> well
[20:14] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: you can ask me :P
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> it has o do with getting something on the official Kde4 remix
[20:15] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: get a new package on the cd?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> something(anything) to graphically edit static IP setps
[20:17] <apachelogger> well, if it is possible at all, 8.04.1 is earliest date to do this
[20:18] <apachelogger> oh
[20:18] <apachelogger> nice
[20:18] <apachelogger> knetworkconf-kde4 is not working right now
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh.
[20:21] <apachelogger> well, there is another problem
[20:21] <apachelogger> even if we deploy it in 8.04.1
[20:21] <apachelogger> there is still no way to invoke it from systemsettings
[20:21] <apachelogger> in admin mode
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> right.... I guess it will have to wait till we release a 4.1 CD (if we do that)
[20:23] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: only with intrepid I think
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> oh well, I think i'm gonna go write up a tutorial for how to do static networking from the command line then :)
[20:24] <apachelogger> well
[20:25] <apachelogger> you could just advise to use knetworkconf
[20:25] <apachelogger> which should be invokeable from knetworkmanager
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but how are they gonna DL it if they have no network?
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> (its not included)
[20:26] <stdin> chicken | egg
[20:27] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: true
[20:29] <apachelogger> oh man
[20:29] <apachelogger> that is a quite stupid issue
[20:29] <apachelogger> knetworkmanager actually has more dependencies than knetworkconf
[20:30] <etretyak> apachelogger: about systemsettings and admin mode.. i've implemented policykit authorization for HAL (for mount/unmount).. so I can do for systemsettings
[20:30] <apachelogger> etretyak: I think this should be done in KDE itself
[20:31] <apachelogger> actually suse dirk did some testing with policykit a couple of weeks ago
[20:31] <apachelogger> for kdesu I think
[20:31] <apachelogger> but really, the problem with systemsettings-kde4 is that it just doesn't have buttons to go in admin mode
[20:34]  * apachelogger proably found the problem with knetworkconf-kde4
[20:35] <jussio1> \o/
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> awwzome
[20:37] <apachelogger> almost working
[20:38] <apachelogger> just that it doesn't find the devices -.-
[20:41] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img077.png
[20:41] <apachelogger> which button to use ;-)
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[20:49] <apachelogger> well
[20:49] <stdin> does that say "Do not asl" :p
[20:49] <apachelogger> in my opinion it's not worth to patch the 4.0.3 version to a usable state
[20:50] <apachelogger> the 4.0 version is in worse condition than plasma was in 4.0.0 IMO
[20:51] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: when Riddell is back, just tell him to add knetworkconf to the remix seed for 8.04.1, all it's deps are already resolved by network-manager-kde
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: alright
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> almost finished with my guide, so i'll need a factoid for that
[20:53]  * apachelogger gives stdin a cookie
[20:53] <apachelogger> good work on the KDE 4 backports :)
[20:54]  * stdin munches on cookies and craves milk
[20:54]  * nosrednaekim gives stdin a cow
[20:55] <stdin> one with Super Cow Powers?
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> sure... why not :)
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> The problem with Plasma post-4.0.0 was that nobody tested the fraking backports
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> super obvious bugs popped up
[21:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so true
[21:25] <nosredna_ekim> could someone put this up as a factoid for the kde4 static networking? http://tinyurl.com/3ky2ly
[21:34] <nosredna_ekim> thanks... later.
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[23:26] <Riddell> knetworkconf-kde4 is on the remix CD
[23:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it is broken
[23:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/amarok/+pots/amarok/ca/+translate?show=translated&start=2000
[23:38] <apachelogger> Edit Track
[23:40] <yuriy> Jucato: great job on the autostart guide!
[23:41] <Jucato> yuriy: thanks :)