| [00:00] <cab86> no errors, just a bunch of warnings, but some warnings look concerning | |
| [00:01] <keb> i wonder if this should be so: (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" | |
| [00:02] <cab86> I originaly had some issues trying to get a working xorg file, therefore I used an old one from the time The system was working fine with the previous ati drivers and i was able to --initial -f | |
| [00:03] <cab86> it used to tell me that the xorg file was invalid (something) | |
| [00:07] <keb> did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" at some point? | |
| [00:07] <keb> it would generate a new xorg.conf file | |
| [00:09] <cab86> yep, but it would claim that file was also invalid | |
| [00:10] <keb> it might well have been | |
| [00:11] <keb> there might be a way to completely reinstall xorg so you get a fresh start on that | |
| [00:11] <cab86> since this last weekend i isntalled and uninstalled the drivers in different ways, some successfuly, other w/o sucess.. from different sources... after looking at the different xorg files i noticed that the ones configured for the ati driver were all pretty much the same | |
| [00:11] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ping | |
| [00:11] <cab86> now when I say successfuly, i mean that they worked in sudo mode... | |
| [00:12] <cab86> because ever since I upped to hardy, i have not been able to get these working fine in regular user mode | |
| [00:12] <keb> cab86 did you check the launchpad bugs re: ATI drivers | |
| [00:13] <cab86> well, i didn't go through that specificaly, I googled... and did find some of those.. (similar ones) | |
| [00:14] <cab86> similar bugs but those fixes (the permission related ones) did not apply to my case | |
| [00:15] <keb> it is possible there is a bug in Hardy wrt ATI video and the dev team should be informed. one of them might be able to help you with a workaround too | |
| [00:15] <cab86> because i did them and still didn't do anything... | |
| [00:15] <zellfaz1> i have returned | |
| [00:15] <zellfaz1> sorry if i am interupting anything | |
| [00:16] <cab86> the most weird thing is that the issue is the same using the drivers from the repos, and ATI, both 8.3 and 8.4.. I even installed them using envy | |
| [00:16] <zellfaz1> i have a problem that has to do with a makefile, is anyone able to help | |
| [00:16] <cab86> what does the makefile not make? maybe i can help... | |
| [00:16] <zellfaz1> yes thats it | |
| [00:17] <zellfaz1> Linking pmars | |
| [00:17] <zellfaz1> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvgagl | |
| [00:17] <zellfaz1> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | |
| [00:17] <zellfaz1> make: *** [pmars] Error 1 | |
| [00:17] <zellfaz1> i think i needed to edit a line in the make file and not just uncomment it | |
| [00:17] <zellfaz1> should i show the area i think has the problem? | |
| [00:17] <cab86> paste the makefile here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ | |
| [00:18] <keb> zellfaz1 you might be missing a development library | |
| [00:18] <cab86> or that.. :P | |
| [00:18] <zellfaz1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/ | |
| [00:19] <zellfaz1> i made sure that i got SVGA | |
| [00:21] <zellfaz1> You will need the Linux SVGA library (libvga) version 1.12 or above to compile pMARS for Linux (it may work with older libraries, but I have not had an opportunity to test it). | |
| [00:22] <zellfaz1> thats from the readme | |
| [00:22] <zellfaz1> You will have to link with -lvgagl -lvga. makefile already contains a sample definition of LIB with these libraries. | |
| [00:22] <zellfaz1> again from the readme | |
| [00:25] <keb> zellfaz1 did you install libsvga1-dev ? | |
| [00:25] <zellfaz1> no | |
| [00:25] <zellfaz1> one moment while i install it | |
| [00:26] <keb> for each runtime library, there is a development version for compiling progs etc | |
| [00:26] <cab86> also, i don't know if this will help, but it seems someone had a similar issue before http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50649-13-cant-compile-pmars | |
| [00:27] <zellfaz1> i saw that | |
| [00:27] <zellfaz1> it didnt look like the problem at the time | |
| [00:27] <zellfaz1> earlier i had a problem with even figuring out what to do in the first place | |
| [00:27] <zellfaz1> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | |
| [00:27] <zellfaz1> make: *** [pmars] Error 1 | |
| [00:28] <zellfaz1> it still doesnt make | |
| [00:29] <keb> you'll have to scroll back to find where the actual error is | |
| [00:29] <zellfaz1> any other ideas? | |
| [00:29] <zellfaz1> ok | |
| [00:29] <zellfaz1> one moment | |
| [00:29] <psych> will xubuntu install cd turn on wifi and etc? | |
| [00:30] <zellfaz1> i think so | |
| [00:30] <keb> it always did before | |
| [00:30] <zellfaz1> keb in the output it gave i didnt see anything noteworthy execpt a lot of undefined reference to | |
| [00:31] <keb> zellfaz1 what was the first of those | |
| [00:32] <zellfaz1> sim.c:(.text+0x2b3): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' | |
| [00:34] <cab86> alright kiddos, good bye... i'm gonna give my ati issue a try some other day | |
| [00:37] <keb> zellfaz1 are you intending to use the compiled program on a console or in an X Window? | |
| [00:37] <zellfaz1> most likely through a terminal window | |
| [00:38] <zellfaz1> although i can use the console if i need too | |
| [00:41] <keb> you may be missing the X development libraries too | |
| [00:41] <keb> does that program have a configure script? it is supposed to check all those dependencies | |
| [00:43] <zellfaz1> it does have a configure script i think | |
| [00:43] <zellfaz1> config.h? | |
| [00:43] <zellfaz1> should i send? | |
| [00:44] <keb> no just configure | |
| [00:44] <keb> configure generates the config.h | |
| [00:44] <psych> is 20gb enough ? | |
| [00:44] <zellfaz1> yes | |
| [00:44] <psych> is there an option between lilo or grub? | |
| [00:44] <zellfaz1> keb i have no configure script, just config.h | |
| [00:44] <zellfaz1> psych i dont think there is | |
| [00:45] <zellfaz1> i am prety sure you are given grub | |
| [00:45] <psych> which one it uses? | |
| [00:45] <psych> ic | |
| [00:45] <zellfaz1> grub | |
| [00:45] <zellfaz1> there may be a package to change that, i have never looked | |
| [00:45] <keb> it might have an autogen.sh script or some other mechanism to customize itself to the platform it is on | |
| [00:46] <zellfaz1> i dont see any | |
| [00:46] <zellfaz1> just a bunch of .h files .c files and .o files | |
| [00:48] <keb> ok let me look at that makefile | |
| [00:49] <zellfaz1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/ | |
| [00:49] <keb> yep got it from above | |
| [00:49] <keb> thanks | |
| [00:49] <keb> if you want to use this program in a window, you have to uncomment the X11 line | |
| [00:50] <zellfaz1> uncommented | |
| [00:50] <keb> instead of the linux/svga line ;) | |
| [00:50] <zellfaz1> should i recomment that line? | |
| [00:51] <keb> yes | |
| [00:51] <keb> and you might have to install the X development libs | |
| [00:51] <zellfaz1> i think i have those installed | |
| [00:52] <keb> ok, then do a "make clean" and "make" | |
| [00:56] <zellfaz1> it worked | |
| [00:56] <zellfaz1> should i run make install now? | |
| [00:57] <keb> you could but i don't see an install target in the makefiule | |
| [00:57] <keb> just run it from where it is | |
| [00:57] <psych> ive 2gb ram | |
| [00:57] <keb> ./pmars | |
| [00:57] <keb> psych : nice | |
| [00:57] <psych> is 1gb of swap enough? | |
| [00:58] <psych> i remember when using 512mb | |
| [00:58] <zellfaz1> ya | |
| [00:58] <psych> it was almost never used | |
| [00:58] <zellfaz1> 1 gb swap is plenty | |
| [00:58] <zellfaz1> your swap should be about half as much ram as you have | |
| [00:58] <keb> psych : i think if you want to do hibernation you need at least as much swap as RAM | |
| [00:59] <psych> oic | |
| [00:59] <keb> if you don't need hibernate, then almost any swap is good with that much ram | |
| [00:59] <zellfaz1> thanks keb for your help | |
| [00:59] <psych> idont think i wanna hibern. | |
| [00:59] <psych> ty guys | |
| [00:59] <psych> gonna cut my ntfs partition | |
| [00:59] <psych> and boot xubuntu cd | |
| [01:01] <keb> if you just want to try xubuntu, i think you can even install it into a folder in the ntfs partition. not sure how though | |
| [01:01] <psych> hmm | |
| [01:01] <psych> i was using gentoo last time | |
| [01:01] <psych> xfce is very good | |
| [01:02] <psych> and now i wanna try something near my old debian :) | |
| [01:11] <shane2peru> hey I'm new to this xubuntu desktop, can anyone tell me how to see if my sound is setup? | |
| [01:11] <shane2peru> I installed a server and then xubuntu-desktop | |
| [01:11] <keb> put in a music cd | |
| [01:12] <keb> it should also have played a short sound at the login screen | |
| [01:12] <shane2peru> well, I mean I'm very used to gnome and usually click on the little speaker in the panel, however it isn't there. | |
| [01:12] <shane2peru> keb: hmm, I think I'm missing something then :) | |
| [01:13] <keb> you can check Applications -> Settings -> Mixer | |
| [01:13] <shane2peru> keb: ha ha, nope, no Mixer option, must be a missing package, I did install 8.04 | |
| [01:13] <shane2peru> any idea on what the package name is? | |
| [01:14] <shane2peru> brb | |
| [01:14] <keb> oh, the menus might be different. dunno | |
| [01:18] <shane2peru> keb: that is where I would think it would be too, just not used to xfce | |
| [01:18] <shane2peru> it isn't in system either. :( | |
| [01:21] <keb> if you type lspci does it see your sound card? | |
| [01:21] <keb> *chipset | |
| [01:25] <shane2peru> yes, it appears when I do the lspci | |
| [01:25] <shane2peru> traditionally Ubuntu has always setup my sound correctly, keb | |
| [01:25] <keb> ok do the sound modules show up when you type lsmod ? | |
| [01:25] <keb> hmm | |
| [01:25] <keb> so it is just the deskop stuff that isnt working? | |
| [01:25] <keb> *desktop | |
| [01:26] <shane2peru> right, it does show up there. appears to be just desktop stuff, not setup correctly | |
| [01:28] <shane2peru> I have tried xubuntu before, but thought it was ugly, I must say it has gotten nicer looking. :) | |
| [01:32] <shane2peru> except my clock and notifier are not in the right spot, they are pushed up against my menu, hmm? | |
| [01:33] <keb> no doubt they can be moved | |
| [01:35] <shane2peru> keb: do you drag them like in Gnome? They didn't move when I tried that. | |
| [01:36] <keb> some of them you can right-clikc and select Move | |
| [01:37] <shane2peru> yeah, doesn't work, well, when I get done installing all of my 400mb of downloads I will do another update | |
| [01:38] <shane2peru> and try and find that sound package for xfce | |
| [02:11] <psych> rehi | |
| [02:12] <psych> seemed wifi worked | |
| [02:12] <psych> it found my lan | |
| [02:12] <keb> :) | |
| [02:12] <psych> but after i l/p | |
| [02:12] <psych> no ip in eth1 | |
| [02:14] <keb> crikey. it takes forever to do the "Storing language..." part of Base system installation, on an old system | |
| [03:36] <shane2peru> hey how do I enable compiz on xubuntu? | |
| [03:47] <keb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=comp-menu.png | |
| [03:51] <shane2peru> thanks keb | |
| [03:52] <keb> cheers | |
| [03:56] <shane2peru> can the square thing be enabled? | |
| [04:03] <shane2peru> ahh, I'll figure it out tomorrow. thanks again for the help keb I'm outta here. | |
| [04:03] * shane2peru runs off to get some sleep | |
| [04:03] <keb> nite | |
| [06:24] <zoredache> !codecs | |
| [06:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | |
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| [10:06] <alado> is new xubuntu also coming out tomorrow, or is it just ubuntu? | |
| [12:57] <keb> lol. 8 hours later, xubuntu 8.04 install is still "Configuring language-pack-en-base" | |
| [12:57] <keb> i guess it isnt meant to run on 64MB of RAM | |
| [13:30] <aron> Ho | |
| [13:30] <aron> Anyone have any knowledge about webserver etc? | |
| [13:39] <TheSheep> aron: yes, why? | |
| [13:39] <TheSheep> !anyone | |
| [13:39] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? | |
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| [15:51] <clintc_> I have an old Thinkpad e90 - it's got a pII running at 333mhertz and 132megs of ram - would xubuntu run decently on this old laptop? | |
| [15:51] <maxamillion> clintc_: yes | |
| [15:52] <TheSheep> clintc_: depends on what you want to do on it, movies might be a little jumpy ;) | |
| [15:52] <maxamillion> clintc_: certain "heavier" applications will show a little lag and i would be sure to make a decent sized swap partition | |
| [15:52] <maxamillion> ah yes ... movies | |
| [15:52] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ! | |
| [15:52] <maxamillion> :D | |
| [15:52] <TheSheep> should be no problem if you are used to comic books though ;) | |
| [15:52] <maxamillion> clintc_: you will need the alternate installer | |
| [15:52] <maxamillion> oh, gotta run ... have a meeting | |
| [15:53] <clintc_> probably would stick to audio media, web surfing, email, etc.. | |
| [15:53] <clintc_> why will I need the alternate installer? | |
| [15:54] <TheSheep> clintc_: the livecd installer needs more ram | |
| [15:54] <clintc_> TheSheep: ah ok... that makes sense | |
| [15:54] <TheSheep> you see, livecd already takes a lot of ram, running an installer in it takes even more | |
| [15:55] <clintc_> should I go for the latest release or use 7.10? | |
| [15:58] <clintc_> to clarify - should I use the imminent new release 8.04 or stick to the tried and true 7.10? | |
| [16:06] <TheSheep> clintc_: it's released tomorrow | |
| [16:06] <TheSheep> clintc_: and it's going to be a long time support release (at least in Ubuntu), so this might mean it will be more stable | |
| [16:07] <clintc_> TheSheep: right... just looking for some opinions about which release to use... 132megs is pretty tight... new stuff tends to be heavier | |
| [16:07] <clintc_> if the 8.04 memory footprint is a lot bigger than 7.10, I would like to use it | |
| [16:08] <clintc_> c/is a lot/is not a lot/ | |
| [16:08] <TheSheep> well, I switched to 64 bits with 8.04, so the footprint is bigger, but not necessarily because of the release | |
| [16:08] <TheSheep> the new firefox is much lighter though | |
| [16:09] <clintc_> wow a new browser release that is lighter - I think that may be a first :) | |
| [16:20] <cody-somerville> Almost all the testing required to release Xubuntu 8.04 is done!! Help fill in the gap at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all !! :) | |
| [16:24] <TheSheep> all testers get a an iso image of xubuntu for free! | |
| [16:24] <cody-somerville> :D | |
| [16:25] <siggjen> SIGN ME ON! (: | |
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| [19:09] <S0210> Hi! I use Hardy. How can I find a file? Is there a general purpose file name searcher? | |
| [19:24] <Stroganoff> yes | |
| [19:25] <psych> is there any new version comming soon ? | |
| [19:27] <totalwormface> new version of what? | |
| [19:27] <psych> xubuntu | |
| [19:27] <totalwormface> in april :] | |
| [19:28] <totalwormface> so yes, very soon | |
| [19:28] <danielm> tomorrow :) | |
| [19:28] <totalwormface> lol | |
| [19:28] * totalwormface didn't know the exact date | |
| [19:28] <psych> danielm, xubuntu too ? | |
| [20:55] <Geoffrey2> anyone know when FF 2.0.0.14 might be available in the Xubuntu repositories? | |
| [20:57] <zoredache> Geoffrey2: accouring to packages.ubuntu.com it is there already | |
| [21:04] <Geoffrey2> ok, thanks....update manager was insisting there was no update, so I did an apt-get update and then it found the newer version | |
| [21:14] <Hameleon_X> by the way, when xubuntu 8.04 is going to be available? | |
| [21:23] <cody-somerville> Hameleon_X, It is being released tomorrow | |
| [21:27] <Hameleon_X> thanks | |
| [21:45] <floating> is a virtual machine portable ? | |
| [21:45] <floating> if i make a virtual machine, can i use it elsewhere... oh well, i guess it takes like 4gb minimum though | |
| [21:45] <floating> like its 1 file that i can open up elsewhere with its settings in place ? | |
| [21:49] <grothesk_> Hi! | |
| [21:49] <grothesk_> What is going to be the default image viewer in xubuntu Hardy? | |
| [21:59] <cody-somerville> grothesk_, Ristretto | |
| [22:00] <grothesk_> thx | |
| [22:02] <thinkmassive> floating: yes, that is correct | |
| [22:03] <thinkmassive> you can make the hard disk image any size you want, and you can set it to only allocate space as necessary | |
| [22:05] <x1250> I installed xfce4 metapackage, but have no sound. I installed pulseaudio server, but I still have no sound. I didn't install xubuntu-desktop, too bloated for me | |
| [22:09] <x1250> xfce4-mixer looks ok | |
| [22:10] <zoredache> why not install the xubuntu-desktop and see if things work... you could do a dpkg --get-selections before installing so you'll know what was added | |
| [22:12] <x1250> yup, I'll do that | |
| [22:30] <nakora> i use xubuntu 7.0 and i want to deinstall dvd + rw-tools, but he says, he must remove xubuntu-desktop as well... is it wise, to do that? | |
| [22:31] <nakora> i dont have any optical drive, so i wont use this ever.. but whats with the xubuntu desktop? | |
| [22:34] <grothesk_> Just reinstall xubuntu-desktop prior to any upgrade to upcoming versions of xubuntu. | |
| [22:37] <floating> how should i proceed with this situation: i have a xubuntu on ext3 partition on begin of disk. it has 3.3gb used and 80mb free space. then i have 12gb free space in the end of disk. if i just make a ext3 partition there, i will eventually(soon) end in troubles when i install stuff, since many apt-get points to this ext3 where xubuntu root is | |
| [22:39] <nakora> well.. everything looks the same it was before... whats the xubuntu-desktop for? | |
| [23:03] <quittt> hello | |
| [23:03] <quittt> how do I edit my XFCE menu? | |
| [23:03] <quittt> I want to remove a link from Acessories... | |
| [23:05] <quittt> why my other partitions do not appear on desktop? | |
| [23:08] <quittt> hey | |
| [23:09] <quittt> why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted???? | |
| [23:14] <floating> in linux is it safe to plug/unplug usb sticks that requires "safely remove hardware" wizard in windows ? | |
| [23:15] <thinkmassive> quittt: look here: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/ | |
| [23:16] <thinkmassive> quittt: also here: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/ | |
| [23:17] <thinkmassive> floating: wait until it's done copying, then it should be safe | |
| [23:17] <thinkmassive> if the usb stick has a light it should probably be out | |
| [23:17] <floating> i have a usb dvb-t dongle | |
| [23:17] <floating> i need to plug/unplug it often | |
| [23:18] <floating> in windows i have to do the "remove safely thing" | |
| [23:18] <thinkmassive> oh, that's a strange one (I haven't seen it before, just googled it) | |
| [23:18] <thinkmassive> does it have a sound card? | |
| [23:20] <floating> idonno | |
| [23:21] <thinkmassive> looks pretty cool | |
| [23:36] <quittt> thinkmassive, and what about the partitions icons on desktop? | |
| [23:37] <thinkmassive> they aren't appearing? | |
| [23:38] <UBUNTUJAY123> whats the edit command in xubuntu | |
| [23:40] <quittt> thinkmassive, I want to edit the formal menu | |
| [23:40] <quittt> thinkmassive, the menu that does not appear on the options | |
| [23:40] <thinkmassive> UBUNTUJAY123: mousepad | |
| [23:40] <thinkmassive> or you can use vi | |
| [23:41] <thinkmassive> quittt: you mean you click "edit menu" and the part you want to edit says "--- include --- system" ? | |
| [23:41] <quittt> yes! | |
| [23:41] <thinkmassive> quittt: look at the second link I sent you | |
| [23:44] <UBUNTUJAY123> xubuntu is faster right | |
| [23:45] <zoredache> faster then what, when you are running what, on what type of hardware? | |
| [23:46] <zoredache> given enough system resources... after the desktop enviroment is loaded it doesn't seem like there should be a big difference in running applications... | |
| [23:46] <thinkmassive> xubuntu is faster than light | |
| [23:47] <thinkmassive> there is a difference, having a bunch of gadgets running takes ram and cpu | |
| [23:48] <zoredache> yes, but if you have 4gb of ram a gadget or two probably wouldn't be noticeable or measurable.... | |
| [23:48] <thinkmassive> cpu isn't ram | |
| [23:49] <thinkmassive> basically, yeah you're right, having a top end system means you can run whatever desktop you want | |
| [23:50] <thinkmassive> I have 2gb ram and dual core, but I still choose xfce because it feels more lightweight than gnome or kde, but it's at least as easily customized | |
| [23:51] <zoredache> the point I was trying to make (badly) is memory hogs like firefox 2.x will be slow pretty much everywhere... How well an application is written can have an impact | |
| [23:51] <thinkmassive> haha true | |
| [23:51] <thinkmassive> look at less porn :-P | |
| [23:52] <thinkmassive> firefox runs much smoother | |
| [23:52] <quittt> done | |
| [23:52] <thinkmassive> and you can actually adjust firefox so it doesn't keep the last 10 pages viewed in every tab in the cache | |
| [23:52] <quittt> but I still have the problem of the partitions | |
| [23:52] <quittt> they are mounted | |
| [23:52] <quittt> but they do not appear on the desktop!! | |
| [23:52] <zoredache> I am still annoyed that firefox can't handle me having 80 tabs open at once... | |
| [23:52] <thinkmassive> of course, you can tweak firefox in any distro | |
| [23:52] <thinkmassive> hahaha | |
| [23:53] <thinkmassive> quitt: you can add an item to the panel called "Mount Devices" that might help | |
| [23:54] <quittt> thinkmassive, where? | |
| [23:54] <thinkmassive> right-click on one of your panels and select "Add new item" | |
| [23:54] <quittt> hey | |
| [23:54] <quittt> I want what I had before | |