2008/04/23/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:03] <elky_work> who whants what?
[01:26] <ubot3`> In #ubuntu-us-ky, etank said: !forget night
[02:51] <mneptok> FYI:
[02:51] <mneptok> 21:36 < DrDerek> I found a picture of SNuxoll when he heard the news I was with his mom the other night.
[02:51] <Pici> ...
[02:51] <mneptok> 21:48 [msg(DrDerek)] your next "mom" comment is a permanent ban
[02:51] <mneptok> 21:49 [DrDerek(n=DrDerek@24-113-52-159.wavecable.com)] all right.
[02:51] <mneptok> 21:49 [msg(DrDerek)] do you really need to be told thgat such stuff is unsuitable for -offtopic?
[02:52] <mneptok> 21:49 [msg(DrDerek)] you've been around long enough to have read the CoC. please follow it.
[02:52] <mneptok> 21:49 [DrDerek(n=DrDerek@24-113-52-159.wavecable.com)] no, I dunno, just SNuxoll and I been messing around.
[02:52] <mneptok> 21:50 [DrDerek(n=DrDerek@24-113-52-159.wavecable.com)] But I got you.
[02:52] <mneptok> DrDerek is now on his last notice.
[02:52] <Pici> agreed
[03:33] <Pici> I need to take a break from babysitting #ubuntu or I'm going to go crazy
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici, Take a break, I will watch things while you enjoy life a bit
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> See you in an hour or so?
[03:35] <Pici> Maybe
[04:23] <Hobbsee> mneptok: he should already have been on his last notice.  he's kagar.
[05:32] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i either do not know or do not remember that nick
[05:35] <Hobbsee> mneptok: look it up in the bantracker
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> crazy.  #ubuntu is < 1200
[06:45] <Seveas> the awkward silence before the hurricane hits 
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[06:46] <nickrud> took a couple days off. Trying to catch my breath
[07:05] <nickrud> metabot?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> no one's fixed pidgin for the default port.
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> :(
[07:16] <Hobbsee> then again, it doesn't seem to do a default channel
[07:53] <Hobbsee> !staff
[07:53] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[07:53] <Locky> !staff
[07:55] <elky_work> heh
[07:55] <Hobbsee> where are the staff?
[07:55] <elky_work> Hobbsee, either absent or /away
[07:55] <Hobbsee> elky_work: i thought they found more people, so shouldn't ahve that problem.
[07:56] <elky_work> you're assuming that they found the right people
[07:57] <Hobbsee> elky_work: ubuntu+1 banlist is full.
[07:57] <elky_work> Hobbsee, i'm not even in there
[07:57] <elky_work> well. home is, but not here
[07:59] <Hobbsee> guys, can you clear up your +1 bans please?
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[13:46] <Tm_T> hi kids
[13:46] <Pici> Hiyas!
[13:46] <jussio1> hey Tm_T
[14:10] <ikonia> Pici: looks like the PPC factois is wrong
[14:10] <ikonia> Pici: website says 6.06 is supported, not edgy 
[14:11] <Pici> ikonia: Where on the wiki? It says 6.10 under the "Is Ubuntu supported on PowerPC?" heading
[14:12] <ikonia> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[14:12] <ikonia> The PowerPC platform of computers is not supported by the newest versions of Ubuntu. However Ubuntu 6.06 is still supported and available for your machine
[14:12] <nalioth> official builds are not available for powerpc, but community builds are
[14:12] <thoreauputic> feisty is still supported on ppc I think, also
[14:12] <thoreauputic> until October :|
[14:12] <ikonia> ubuntu.com suggests only 6.06
[14:13] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i think feisty support ended some time ago
[14:13] <thoreauputic> nalioth: shouldn't have - 7.04 is supported until 8.10 is it not?
[14:13] <ikonia> not on ppc
[14:14] <ikonia> ppc become community support so I don't think ubuntu every picked up 7.04 ?
[14:14] <thoreauputic> still seeing updates for feisty on ppc here
[14:14] <nalioth> thoreauputic: from the community, not canonical
[14:14] <ikonia> does the community manage those repos now though ?
[14:14] <thoreauputic> nalioth: perhaps so
[14:15] <nalioth> thoreauputic: there is no doubt of it.
[14:15] <thoreauputic> the latest ppc hardy desktop iso doesn't actually boot here - or perhaps it would if I used init=/bin/sh or something
[14:15] <nalioth> thoreauputic: powerpc support officially ended with edgy
[14:16] <ikonia> nalioth: maybe an updated on the website rather than the factoid is needed
[14:16] <thoreauputic> nalioth: Yes, I know. I was thinking that the builds were still cranking out ppc versions of canonical supported stuff, but you are no doubt right
[14:18] <Fujitsu> thoreauputic: ppc will get all of the updates that i386 and amd64 get..
[14:18] <ikonia> Fujitsu: but from who ?
[14:18] <Fujitsu> Just it won't block releases, nor get commercial support.
[14:18] <Fujitsu> From whoever performs the updates.
[14:18] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: that's what I have been seeing
[14:18] <nalioth> ikonia: the community
[14:18] <Fujitsu> nalioth: No, from whoever performs the updates.
[14:19] <ikonia> so canonical will still package ppc updates and release them but "your on your own"
[14:19] <thoreauputic> nalioth: For a moment I thought my brain had short-circuited ;)
[14:20] <Fujitsu> ikonia: ppc builds of everything are automatically attempted. Nobody has to intervene.
[14:21] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: You are involved with mplayer - am I right?
[14:21] <ikonia> Fujitsu: perfect, thank you 
[14:21] <Fujitsu> thoreauputic: Unfortunately.
[14:21] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: heh
[14:22] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: do you happen to know if the PPC bugs have been sorted out? I rolled my own here, but the packaged version had a problem with my iBook
[14:22] <thoreauputic> ie. mplayer 
[14:23] <nalioth> thoreauputic: mplayer will always need to be locally compiled for ppc
[14:23] <Fujitsu> The lack of altivec, or something different?
[14:23] <Fujitsu> nalioth: Why?
[14:23] <thoreauputic> nalioth: umm.... I don't think so
[14:23] <nalioth> thoreauputic: not sure what "bugs" you're talking about, but the standard ubuntu build is missing lots of codecs due to licensing
[14:23] <Fujitsu> `lots'?
[14:23] <thoreauputic> nalioth: not the issue I'm talking about
[14:23] <Fujitsu> I must be missing those darn configure flags.
[14:24] <Fujitsu> Because I don't see much disabled.
[14:24] <Fujitsu> And I maintain the thing.
[14:24] <thoreauputic> nalioth: and mplayer plays practically anything using ffmpeg
[14:25] <thoreauputic> nalioth: as evidenced by my live CD (INX) which happily plays windows media and real media without all those evile w32codecs
[14:25] <Fujitsu> nalioth: Licensing isn't an issue at all any more - patents are in some circumstances, which is why we have it in multiverse.
[14:26] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: indeed, the x86 version plays pretty much anything I've been able to find...
[14:26] <Amaranth> Fujitsu: I thought it still disabled some encoders for mencoder
[14:26] <Fujitsu> thoreauputic: The only arch-specific configure flags are for CPU detection.
[14:26] <Fujitsu> And svgalib, I guess.
[14:26] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Hmm, possibly one or two.
[14:27] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: right, the bug was to do with altivec and cpu detection IIRC
[14:27] <Fujitsu> Yes, that's a hardy one.
[14:27] <Fujitsu> *hard
[14:27] <Amaranth> mplayer requires altivec
[14:27] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: I recall benh had a fix ( this was ages ago)
[14:27] <Fujitsu> Particularly as I don't have a PPC machine at all.
[14:27] <Amaranth> g3 is pre-2000, isn't it?
[14:27] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Not if I disable altivec.
[14:28] <Amaranth> Fujitsu: then my g4 loses accelerated yuv->rgb conversion
[14:28] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: It's *meant* to be able to autodetect it, IIRC>
[14:28] <Fujitsu> But fails miserably.
[14:28] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: the problem appears to be that mplayer wants to ID the cpu at runtime. Rolling your own seems to get around the issue on ppc
[14:28] <Fujitsu> But your statement about mplayer requiring Altivec is false.
[14:36] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: Am I right in thinking that a separately built ppc deb of mplayer made on a G4 iBook would not beincluded in the repos even if it were offered?
[14:37] <thoreauputic> ..sorry I know this isn't the dev channel...
[14:37] <Fujitsu> That is one of the more evil suggestions I've seen recently.
[14:37] <Fujitsu> We do not do binary uploads.
[14:37] <thoreauputic> heheh
[14:37] <Fujitsu> That is a bad idea.
[14:37] <thoreauputic> no no that's not what I meamt
[14:37] <thoreauputic> I meant a proper deb with source etc
[14:38] <Fujitsu> deb with source is an oxymoron.
[14:39] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: are you deliberately being pedantic? I mean: source code + dsc + debian stuff as correct + binary deb
[14:39] <thoreauputic> :|
[14:39] <Fujitsu> We don't do binary uploads.
[14:40] <Fujitsu> All binaries are built on the buildds, or nowhere at all.l
[14:40] <thoreauputic> OK so what you object to is the inclusion of the binary - all the source has to be identical, is that correct?
[14:40] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: OK I see - fair enough
[14:40] <Fujitsu> No, I don't object to it: policy (both social and technical) forbids it.
[14:41] <ikonia> please please please release hardy now
[14:41] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: so such a build would have to be in a separate repo - sort of like Christian Marillat's repos. right?
[14:41] <Pici> ikonia: I was JUST typing something to that effect
[14:41] <Fujitsu> Yes. And that would get you looked on badly.
[14:42] <Fujitsu> Best to fix the Ubuntu package.
[14:42] <Fujitsu> Get the Altivec detection working.
[14:42] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: Agreed
[14:42] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: I personally don't have the expertise to do that, unfortunately
[14:42] <Fujitsu> Have you tried Hardy?
[14:43] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: I'm running hardy, but not on pppc yet
[14:43] <Fujitsu> Although labelled as a second release candidate, MPlayer 1.0rc2 has huge changes.
[14:43] <Fujitsu> Enough to warrant a major version bump, really.
[14:43] <Fujitsu> So it might be fixed.
[14:43] <thoreauputic> interesting
[14:43] <Fujitsu> But you never know what those strange, strange mplayer undevelopers are doing.
[14:43] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: heheh - I know what you mean :)
[14:44] <Fujitsu> They take a year between release candidates and rewrite half the build system and rearrange all of the libraries. Makes so much sense.
[14:45] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: in spite of that, they've managed to produce a rather impressive piece of software. They even seem to be *slightly* less arrogant than they were a few years ago ;-)
[14:45] <Fujitsu> They still maintain that ffmpeg doesn't need releases.
[14:45] <Fujitsu> Nor a stable ABI.
[14:45] <Fujitsu> *API
[14:46] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: so basically, it's a nightmare maintaining it, right?
[14:46] <Fujitsu> Pretty much.
[14:47] <Fujitsu> And the frequent security updates don't help.
[14:47] <Fujitsu> And it has about as many dependencies as anything can have.
[14:48] <thoreauputic> I get the impression they  want it to do *everything* including putting the cat out and washing the dishes
[14:50] <Fujitsu> That's a bit of a conservative estimate of their problem domain.
[14:50] <thoreauputic> :D
[14:54] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: well, just for the record, in case you thought I was complaining - you are doing a good job with mplayer on the supported archs :) So thanks...
[14:55] <Fujitsu> Some people don't care about other archs - it only build on i386 and amd64 after somebody else made a change.
[14:57] <nalioth> powerpc has always been the red-headed-stepchild, anyway
[14:58] <Fujitsu> And then there's hppa. And ia64.
[14:58] <thoreauputic> I noticed that Debian Sid has mplayer in main - did Debian strip out patent-encumbred stuff to do that?
[14:58] <Pici> Could we please clear some bans out of #ubuntu+1
[14:58] <Fujitsu> Pici: Bah, it'll be closed in 24 hours.
[14:58] <Pici> 24 long hours
[14:59] <Pici> I can't even mute a flooding user because the ban list is full
[14:59] <Fujitsu> They'll be longer if more people are let in.
[14:59] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[14:59] <nalioth> Pici: use /remove
[14:59] <Pici> nalioth: I did
[14:59]  * nalioth thinks we are using the banstick FAR TOO MUCH for teh stupidest stuff
[15:00] <Pici> It was going to be a  mute until they stopped pasting
[15:00] <nalioth> a /remove stops pasting
[15:00] <Pici> Indeed.
[15:01] <nalioth> most pastes are accidential or out of ignorance
[15:01] <nalioth> a /remove and a !tell so-n-so about pastebin usually suffices
[15:02] <Pici> Yep, that would have worked tooo
[15:02] <nalioth> we have gotten far away from what Ubuntu stands for
[15:04] <Pici> nalioth: I only would have kept the mute on until the user stopped the paste, while also giving them the !paste factoid.  I don't really see a difference between doing that and removing them from the channel with the same message.
[15:04] <Pici> Enlighten me if there is a difference.
[15:05] <nalioth> a /remove doesn't take up a ban slot.  a /remove doen'st require any more action on your part.  what if the person pasted something extraordinarilly long? what if the person pasted something extraordinarilly short?
[15:05] <thoreauputic> Pici: I think nalioth's observation was meant generally, not directed at you
[15:05] <nalioth> a /remove allows them to come back on their initiative, not anyone elses
[15:06] <nalioth> i can understnad if this was efnet or somwehere w/o the services freenode offers
[15:07] <Pici> nalioth: Makes sense, I'll try to do that from now on then :)
[15:07] <Pici> Oh, I already have /paste aliased to do just that /me smacks his forehead
[15:08] <thoreauputic> the only down side I can see is that the /remove needs to be immediate, so the !tell foo about paste is only seen if the user rejoins?
[15:08] <nalioth> !tell thoreauputic about paste
[15:08] <Pici> thoreauputic: No, tell foo about stuff sends a pm
[15:09] <thoreauputic> ah of course... OK my mistake
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[15:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, Mimi said: When is hardy going to  be released?
[15:21] <Pici> ....
[15:21] <PriceChild> haha
[15:23] <Fujitsu> Is publishing pool URLs a capital offense yet?
[15:23] <Hobbsee> likely
[15:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: there's no indication that they're final, yet
[15:24] <Fujitsu> I'm aware.
[15:24] <Fujitsu> And the pool is even empty.
[15:24] <Fujitsu> But people are still publishing URLs.. kill!
[15:25] <Hobbsee> i presume that they'll only push to pool when they're sure they're done
[15:26] <Fujitsu> Right, but then people will publish the URLs, and thousands of people will slow down the mirroring.
[15:26] <Fujitsu> As well as publicising the release early.
[15:26] <Fujitsu> Which is why they're in .pool in the first place.
[15:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeesh.  public channels and al...
[15:27]  * PriceChild covers everyone's eyes
[15:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that being said, they don't hit .pool until they're known final, do they?
[15:27] <Fujitsu> Not usually.
[15:28] <Hobbsee> didn't think so
[15:42] <popey> yay
[15:42] <popey> message added to the .pool
[15:42] <popey> that'll help a litle
[15:43] <Pici> unless they link directly to the isos
[15:46] <ikonia> could someone in #ubuntu+1 check why I parted ?
[15:46] <ikonia> I've just noticed I left the channel without me meaning to 
[15:46] <Pici> ikonia: connection reset by peer @ 17:42:11 (its 10:47:06 now)
[15:47] <ikonia> Pici: thanks, thats odd, just one channel
[15:47] <Pici> so, yesterday I suppose
[15:47] <ikonia> not to worry, thank you 
[15:50] <Seeker`> would it not be better to scp the files to each mirror, and keep the directory forbidden from the web?
[15:53] <ikonia> block all hardy repos
[15:53] <ikonia> please
[15:53] <ikonia> until launch
[15:53] <Pici> Lets turn off Freenode and until the release
[15:53] <ikonia> even better
[15:54]  * Hobbsee changes the topic
[15:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[16:01] <Seeker`> someone should put a file on the servers containing nothing but "Wait until it is ready" over and over, and call it  Ubuntu-8.04.iso
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[16:02] <Seeker`> or "This is where the iso would be if you waited until we released it"
[16:03] <Seeker`> and then limit the upload speed to 20k/s, so it would take everyone hours to get
[16:04] <Hobbsee> argh, no.
[16:04] <Hobbsee> people are still testing it
[16:04] <Hobbsee> and it's slow already.
[16:05] <ikonia> Seeker`: that is genius !
[16:06] <Seeker`> are the hardy final servers the same as all the other isos?
[16:06] <ikonia> shouldn't be
[16:06] <ikonia> oh servers
[16:06] <ikonia> thought you meant images
[16:06] <Pici> servers?
[16:07] <Seeker`> there must be a wy of getting isos to the mirrors without having them publicly accessible to the web
[16:07] <ikonia> change the permissions on them
[16:07] <Pici> sneakernet
[16:07] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: there isn't.
[16:07] <Hobbsee> not really
[16:07] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: why not?
[16:07] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: not unless you're going to whitelist all the IP's or something
[16:07] <Seeker`> scp?
[16:08] <Seeker`> each mirror sends an ssh key or something
[16:08] <Seeker`> the files get scpd over, and dont have to go anywhere near the public facing  webserver
[16:08]  * Hobbsee snorts
[16:08] <Hobbsee> getting ssh access into canonical isn't esay.
[16:09] <Seeker`> or canonical can scp over to the  mirrors
[16:11] <Mez> Hobbsee, ssh access into canonical is easy. It's getting out that's hard (or so I've heard)
[16:12] <Hobbsee> Mez: then why don't i have it?
[16:13] <Mez> Hobbsee, I meant there are routes in if you have the credentials - but it's harder to get out ;)
[16:13] <Hobbsee> Mez: sure, for loco machines and that.
[16:13] <Hobbsee> Mez: i meant for core canonical ones
[16:14] <Mez> Hobbsee, ssh'ing into them is probably easy (if you're within the internal network)
[16:14] <Hobbsee> Mez: sure, it's just getting into chinstrap....
[16:15] <jdong> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4771691#post4771691
[16:15] <Mez> Hobbsee, sit outside the office and crack the Wireless wep key ? :P
[16:15] <jdong> I've added a notice like that regarding pool URLs and Hardy
[16:15] <Hobbsee> Mez: haha
[16:15] <Mez> jdong, btw - grats on the vB upgrade ;)
[16:15] <jdong> how's the policy here regarding such activities?
[16:15] <jdong> Mez: it's certainly fun
[16:15] <jdong> :D
[16:16] <Mez> jdong, you have NO idea...
[16:16] <jdong> Mez: load averages above 220 are SEXY
[16:16] <Mez> jdong - you're getting high load averages?
[16:16] <Mez> It's not noticable from outside.
[16:16] <jdong> Mez: ridiculously high before Ryan restored some tweaks
[16:16] <Mez> what tweaks?
[16:17] <jdong> Mez: right after the upgrade we were sustaining close to 100-200
[16:17]  * Mez would be interested in seeing some of them
[16:17] <jdong> Mez: caching the CSS, offloading database reads to a 2nd server
[16:17] <Mez> jdong, ah...
[16:17] <jdong> Mez: i.e. tweaks that we wouldn't need if Canonical gives us properly powered equipment
[16:17] <Mez> jdong, hehe - do you have access to the code?
[16:17] <jdong> Mez: go tell a vB community 1/4 our size that we are given one frontend webserver and one database server with less than 4GiB combined RAM
[16:17] <jdong> Mez: they will point and laugh.
[16:17]  * Seeker` still thinks there must be better ways of doing the distribution
[16:18] <jdong> Seeker`: oh we can ALWAYS do it the Redhat way, block access to everyone else not on a mirror whitelist
[16:19] <Seeker`> why not do that?
[16:19] <jdong> Seeker`: it's not very open in spirit.
[16:19] <jdong> Seeker`: why don't we offer premium download slots to Ubuntu members while we're at it too?
[16:19] <Pici> Great idea
[16:19] <jdong> RapidUbuntuShare!
[16:21] <Seeker`> jdong: there is a difference between premium download slots and stopping people screwing over the bandwidth on the servers before they can be distributed to the mirrors
[16:23] <popey> !party needs updating
[16:23] <Seeker`> jdong: I'm not suggesting doing it full time, just while stuff is being pushed to mirrors
[16:23] <popey> !party
[16:23] <ubotu> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Gutsy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseParties
[16:23] <popey> ^ see
[16:24] <Pici> !party =~ s/Gutsy/Hardy/g
[16:24] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pici said: !party =~ s/Gutsy/Hardy/g
[16:24] <Pici> dumb bot
[16:25] <ubotu> In ubotu, thoreauputic said: party is [reply] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[16:25] <Pici> popey: fixed
[16:25] <popey> cool
[16:25] <thoreauputic> Umm not quite
[16:25] <Pici> !hardy
[16:25] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[16:25] <Pici> !party
[16:25] <ubotu> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[16:26] <Pici> thoreauputic: why not?
[16:26] <thoreauputic> ah OK looks right now
[16:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[16:26] <Pici> Also, ubotu doesnt support /g
[16:26] <thoreauputic>  ? /g ?
[16:27] <Pici> thoreauputic: for applying replacement regexes globally
[16:27] <Seeker`> s/x/y/g
[16:27] <thoreauputic> Oh you mean it won't do two changes with s/ /g
[16:27] <Pici> or maybe I have the syntax wrong
[16:27] <thoreauputic> right
[16:43] <Pici> not that anyone reads the topic anyway though
[16:45] <Seeker`> channels have a topic?
[16:55] <d4t4min3r> im having issues
[16:55] <d4t4min3r> first my google is messed up now I can't join #ubuntu
[16:56] <d4t4min3r> when I try to sign into google I get.. secure connection failed, invalid security certificate
[16:56] <d4t4min3r> now  I can't join #ubuntu... can anyone help me
[16:58] <Mez> d4t4min3r, I dont see any bans matching you in there
[16:58] <Mez> Seveas, be nice if /cs bans returned a "no bans found" if there are none found
[16:59] <d4t4min3r>  FloodBot1: d4t4min3r: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions.
[17:00] <d4t4min3r> I can't login to google either
[17:00] <d4t4min3r> (Error code: sec_error_expired_certificate)
[17:00] <Mez> d4t4min3r, read the topic then
[17:00] <d4t4min3r> I did
[17:00] <d4t4min3r> and it won't let me type 
[17:00] <d4t4min3r> test me
[17:00] <Mez> one sec
[17:00] <Seveas> !staff | <humeyra> seldaank07@
[17:01] <Seveas> hmm, ubotu ?
[17:01] <Mez> d4t4min3r, try now
[17:01] <Dave2> gone,thanks
[17:01] <Mez> <+FloodBot1> d4t4min3r has requested an exploit test
[17:02] <Mez> <+FloodBot1> d4t4min3r has been removed from the exploit quarantine
[17:02] <Mez> yep, you're in
[17:02] <d4t4min3r> yeah
[17:02] <d4t4min3r> I don't know what's wrong with google
[17:02] <d4t4min3r> I keep getting that error
[17:03] <Seveas> restarted him
[18:08] <Pici> thoreauputic: a mute?
[18:09] <thoreauputic> Pici: yes
[18:09] <thoreauputic> Pici: I will remove it
[18:09] <thoreauputic> but the guy was continuing
[18:10] <thoreauputic> OK he needs a ban I think...
[18:11] <Pici> thoreauputic: done
[18:11] <thoreauputic> Pici: yes thanks - you beat me to it :)
[18:12] <Pici> Ugh, the trolls/clueless users are out in full force today
[18:12] <thoreauputic> Pici: oh yes... the madness is always higher at release time
[18:13] <thoreauputic> everyone goes nuts simultaneously :)
[18:13] <Pici> odd
[18:13] <Pici> 13:10:41 <FloodBot1> Speedy sent 4.5 messages while muted
[18:14] <thoreauputic> Heh - right - then I unmuted him. I should have left it...
[18:14] <thoreauputic> how does the bot figure half a message ?
[18:14] <thoreauputic> :)
[18:15] <Pici> No  idea
[18:15] <Pici> First time I've ever seen that
[18:15] <thoreauputic> heheh - the bots are mad too it seems
[18:19] <tomaw> algul is privmsg spamming users in #ubuntu.  I kicked him.
[18:21] <thoreauputic> ah I saw the kick - thanks for the explanation
[18:22] <thoreauputic> tomaw: you didn't ban him? A kick means he can return...
[18:23] <tomaw> if he continues to spam I'll ban him from the network anyway
[18:23] <Pici> I think tomaw knows what a ban does ;)
[18:23] <thoreauputic> tomaw: right - I didn't look at your /whois :)
[18:24] <thoreauputic> Pici: indeed :)
[18:24] <tomaw> :)
=== nixternal is now known as lanretxin
=== lanretxin is now known as nixternal
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> haha, #ubuntu is spiting my comment of last night.  We've jumped by almost 300 nicks since then.
[20:17] <Pici> #ubuntu+1 is also hitting record population levels today
[20:18] <tonyyarusso> just try to keep them relevant to testing
[20:18] <Pici> I'm trying
[20:19] <tonyyarusso> gl :)
[20:19] <Pici> I think the offtopicness has migrated itself to -release-party
[20:45] <ikonia> did anyone get spam from susanno ?
[20:45] <ikonia> susanoo sorry
[20:45] <Seveas> not me
[20:46] <ikonia> 18:36 <susanoo> join yellowdog
[20:46] <ikonia> I'll take it to freenode
[20:48] <Seveas> Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[20:48] <Seveas> ubotu is again restarting
[20:48] <Seveas> I had to disable the bantracker
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> oh dear
[20:49] <Mez> Seveas, I'll chase on the exception
[20:50] <Seveas> it simply couldn't take it anymore, sqlite isn't built for what I threw at it
[20:51] <Seveas> database *should* be intact, but I cannot check right now
[21:03] <tonyyarusso> -r-p is over 200 now.  probably time to start babysitting.
[21:12] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: invent a new game. Someone gets a mute every minute that lasts for 10 minutes
[21:14]  * PriceChild wonders where the code for that xkcd bot is
[21:15] <Myrtti> If I plan to get any work done, it's better if I don't do any babysitting
[21:18] <Seveas> PriceChild, :D
[21:19] <PriceChild> Someone knows which one I'm talking about.
[21:20] <mneptok> PriceChild: i could prolly get it
[21:20] <Seeker`> PriceChild: what does it do?o?
[21:20] <PriceChild> http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/
[21:21] <PriceChild> (source etc. is there also)
[21:44] <ikonia> please fix ubotu in #ubuntu I'm bored of typing manually "hardy"
[21:48] <Seeker`> ikonia: join a clone called "hardy", then tab complete
[21:48] <ikonia> Seeker`: nice idea, but I meant the whole "hi, hardy is discussed in #ubuntu+1 please take you discussion there"
[21:49] <Seeker`> use !hardy?
[21:49] <ikonia> bot is dead
[21:49] <stdin> give it a while to re-join all the channels
[21:50] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[22:09] <Seeker`> !party
[22:09] <ubotu> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[22:09] <Seeker`> !parties
[22:09] <ubotu> Find yourself an Ubuntu Release Party at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseParties
[22:09] <stdin> dapper? 
[22:10] <Seeker`> !parties is Find yourself an Ubuntu Release Party at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[22:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: !parties is Find yourself an Ubuntu Release Party at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[22:11]  * Seeker` wonders if Mez is the Mez he knows from irc.xkcd.com
[22:11] <Mez> lol
[22:12] <Mez> I could be, if you're the same Seeker` 
[22:12] <Seeker`> :)
[22:12] <Mez> /cs timedmute Mez 4s
[22:40] <Pici> !parties is <alias> party
[22:40] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pici said: !parties is <alias> party
[22:40] <Pici> ...
[22:40] <Pici> @login
[22:40] <ubotu> OK
[22:40] <Pici> !parties is <alias> party
[22:40] <ubotu> But parties already means something else!
[22:40] <Pici> !no parties is <alias> party
[22:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[22:40] <mneptok> no parties
[22:55] <Pici> no dancing
[22:59] <ompaul> !party
[22:59] <ubotu> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[23:10] <stdin> braskd, InvisiblePinkUni: anything we can help with?
[23:10] <InvisiblePinkUni> Hi, I was banned from #ubuntu-release-party for no reason. Please let me in.
[23:11] <InvisiblePinkUni> stdin: Atleast I should be told why I was being banned. :-(
[23:11] <Seveas> the word 'nazi' is not welcome. Which was said in the kickmessage
[23:12] <InvisiblePinkUni> Seveas: I was only saying it as a Sarcasm, like "Spelling Nazi".
[23:12] <Seveas> InvisiblePinkUni, still not welcome.
[23:13] <InvisiblePinkUni> Seveas: :-(
[23:13] <nalioth> InvisiblePinkUni: any usage is not welcome
[23:13] <InvisiblePinkUni> Ok sorry, didn't know that.
[23:14] <InvisiblePinkUni> nalioth: But I didn't know that. Someone should have told me before banning me :-(
[23:14] <InvisiblePinkUni> nalioth: And I was using it like they do in Slashdot. For fun.
[23:14] <Seveas> nazi's aren't fun.
[23:15] <InvisiblePinkUni> Seveas: But Spelling Nazi's are. :-)
[23:15] <InvisiblePinkUni> See...
[23:15] <Seveas> InvisiblePinkUni, you're making good progress to be banned from here as well
[23:15] <InvisiblePinkUni> Nooooo....
[23:15] <InvisiblePinkUni> Sorry.
[23:15] <InvisiblePinkUni> Won't speak that word.
[23:15] <elkbuntu> InvisiblePinkUni, a joke does not make the phrase any more appropriate. that's like me calling your mother something nasty, but trying to void the nastiness with 'but it was a joke!'
[23:16] <InvisiblePinkUni> Ok, Sorry, Didn't realize that.
[23:17] <Seveas> !staff | <hellues> rise against state of union
[23:17] <Seveas> random nonsense spewing bot
[23:17]  * InvisiblePinkUni requests to remove my ban.
[23:17]  * ompaul counts the seconds
[23:17] <elkbuntu> Seveas, as opposed to the collection of random nonsense spewing people we have
[23:18] <ompaul> elkbuntu, be nice
[23:18] <nalioth> InvisiblePinkUni: it'll be removed when it is removed
[23:18] <elkbuntu> InvisiblePinkUni, give it about 10 minutes
[23:18] <InvisiblePinkUni> Ok.
[23:18] <elkbuntu> ompaul, i'm referring to mneptok
[23:18] <Seveas> grmpf, what's up with that stupid bot
[23:18]  * InvisiblePinkUni sits silently.
[23:18] <ompaul> mneptok, pingingness
[23:18] <Seveas> !ping
[23:18] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[23:18] <elkbuntu> ehhehe, off to work, im already late leaving :-/
[23:18] <Seveas> wtf
[23:18] <Seveas> !staff
[23:18] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[23:19] <Seveas> there we fo
[23:19] <ompaul> <Seveas> !staff | <hellues> rise against state of union
[23:19] <nalioth> !seveas
[23:19] <InvisiblePinkUni> elkbuntu: you from NZ?
[23:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seveas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:19] <nalioth> ubotu: NO??? HORRORS!!!!
[23:19] <Seveas> probably | and > biting each other
[23:20] <mneptok> ompaul: heya
[23:20] <Seveas> InvisiblePinkUni, this is not an idling channel -- if you have nothing further to discuss, please leave
[23:21] <InvisiblePinkUni> Can someone post me website where there is a countdown? So that I can watch it.
[23:21] <tonyyarusso> there are no countdowns
[23:21] <tonyyarusso> there is no time
[23:21] <tonyyarusso> nor spoons
[23:21] <InvisiblePinkUni> Seveas: Oh ok. I will leave soon.
[23:21] <ompaul> nor cake or ponies
[23:21] <Seveas> InvisiblePinkUni, soon, as in now?
[23:21] <InvisiblePinkUni> Just waiting to get back to release party, hoping someone here will remove my ban there.
[23:22] <Tm_T> hi kids
[23:22] <InvisiblePinkUni> Seveas: I won't speak that word again. I didn't knwo about it.
[23:22] <Myrtti> hello luv
[23:26] <ompaul> got a new motor
[23:28] <Seeker`> ompaul: cool. Is there anything attached to it?
[23:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, I was thinking more of the east enders kind of thing and for some reason "hello luv" triggered that sentence
[23:51] <jtmonz> stdin == lame
[23:51] <Tm_T> jtmonz: was?
[23:51] <jtmonz> kicked me for saying the word "rape" in #ubuntu-release-party
[23:51] <jtmonz> give me a break
[23:51] <Fujitsu> Rightly so.
[23:51] <jtmonz> are you serious?
[23:51] <jtmonz> i said "steve jobs rapes people on hardware prices"
[23:51] <jtmonz> KICK@#$!
[23:51] <Seveas> jtmonz, if you think that word is ever appropriate, you're not welcome
[23:52] <Seveas> so either apologize or leave
[23:52] <jtmonz> apologize for using rape in that context?
[23:52] <Seveas> and for alling stdin lame
[23:52] <stdin> you also asked "what do you have up your ass?"
[23:52] <jtmonz> god, i'd hate to see what happens if someone uses a proper curse word
[23:52] <jtmonz> why is everyone so uptight?
[23:52] <Seveas> jtmonz, last chance, apologize or leave
[23:52] <nalioth> jtmonz: this is #ubuntu 
[23:52] <tonyyarusso> Because we have standards in this community.
[23:53] <jtmonz> if i apologize, will the ban be lifted?
[23:53] <nalioth> civility is not so hard to exhibit
[23:53] <jtmonz> why the ultimatum?
[23:53] <Seveas> not immediately
[23:53] <jtmonz> i'd like to extent my sincere apology for using the horrible, inexcusable word known as rape
[23:54] <jtmonz> *extend
[23:54] <jtmonz> what was i thinking?
[23:54] <jtmonz> i'll never know
[23:54] <jtmonz> i mean, i heard it on the news the other day
[23:54] <jtmonz> SHOULD HAVE BEEN RATED R THAT LOCAL NEWS
[23:54] <Seveas> jtmonz, ah well, if only it was a sincere apologt
[23:55] <Seveas> <jtmonz> if only!
[23:55] <Seveas> <jtmonz> do you think i give a shit you faggot?
[23:55] <Tm_T> .
[23:55] <Seveas> <jtmonz> get the fuck over yourself
[23:55] <stdin> oh, you should see what I got in the /msg
[23:55] <Tm_T> stdin: please share
[23:55] <stdin> basically enquiring if it was my "time of the month"
[23:55] <Seveas> <jtmonz> forgot one
[23:55] <Seveas> <jtmonz> god, you really are a coward
[23:56] <stdin> but using cruder language
[23:56]  * nalioth says with an evil grin, " I bet I could get -r-p to clear itself. "
[23:56] <Fujitsu> What a lovely character.
[23:56] <Seveas> nalioth, bet you can 
[23:59] <Seveas> ah, he's now googling
[23:59] <Seveas> found my hackergotchi