2008/04/18/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:39] <ikonia> chaps (anyone who is awake) I'd like to request an short update to the emma statment, I'd like to know what ubuntu current situation is with her before I work out what/if anything can be done as I'm not happy with a few things that are going on 
[00:40] <nalioth> ikonia: atm, emma appears to be banned
[00:40] <ikonia> from what ?
[00:40] <ikonia> just want to be clear before I decide what to do )
[00:41] <nalioth> from #ubuntu, for one
[00:41] <ikonia> ok, but she is still allowed to participate in other community area's  ?
[00:42] <LjL> she's banned from several ubuntu irc channels
[00:42] <LjL> i think she's pretty free to do anything else
[00:43] <Seeker`> We were told that, as a loco team, it was our decision as to whether we banned her. We chose not to unless she does something "bannable"
[00:43] <ikonia> I'm getting a bit of hassle from her from any channel I appear in 
[00:43] <nalioth> oh?
[00:43] <ikonia> I'm not to sure how to progress it / deal with it in an acceptable manner to both ubuntu and freenode in general, I'm happy to ignore it, but it's spilling into any activities I'm involved in 
[00:44] <LjL> [01:43:59] <-> Auctionedllama> give me a ping when you're pretty sure you've understood that the Enter key is not a punctuation mark
[00:44] <LjL> has been doing it all yesterday, bots going mad at him several times
[00:44] <LjL> ikonia: guess what, you're not alone
[00:44] <ikonia> no, no, I don't suspect I am
[00:47] <ikonia> I'm aware that ubuntu/freenode are discussing this at some level, but I'd like to progress this a bit further with freenode now (potentially). From a personal level I'm getting a little frustrated that this is being allowed to continue
[00:47] <ikonia> hence why I thought I'd seek guidence from what's currently done to not step on toes or waste time with covered ground
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[01:09] <Auctionedllama> I come to ping LJL, soz about that
[01:10] <LjL> Auctionedllama, you see how busy #ubuntu is most of the time
[01:10] <LjL> yesterday night it was *relatively* quiet
[01:10] <LjL> but you did abuse Enter a lot
[01:10] <LjL> when it's busy like this, please try to type full sentences
[01:11] <LjL> not
[01:11] <LjL> ah ok
[01:11] <LjL> let me see
[01:11] <LjL> yes
[01:11] <mneptok> the only thing
[01:11] <mneptok> more annoying
[01:11] <mneptok> than <enter>
[01:11] <mneptok> as punctuation
[01:11] <mneptok> is
[01:11] <mneptok> lol
[01:11] <LjL> people have enough trouble following a channel with 1300 people even when they speak in full sentences
[01:11] <mneptok> as punctuation
[01:11] <LjL> or for that matter, "omg gay"
[01:11] <mneptok> lol.
[01:13] <mneptok> nalioth: meeple
[01:13] <Auctionedllama> Sorry
[01:13] <Auctionedllama> Lol.. I am having extreme trouble with my ATI cards, and had become frustrated at the time
[01:14] <Auctionedllama> Please accept my sincere apologies
[01:14] <mneptok> as do most ATI customers when they discover free software
[01:14] <LjL> Auctionedllama: i don't want apologies, i just want to see you typing full sentences in #ubuntu :)
[01:14]  * Seeker` tries to avoid killing people who begin sentances with "LOL....."
[01:14] <LjL> Auctionedllama: you're not the only one frustrated with ubuntu problems, so try to think of the other 1300 people who are frustrated with their problems too ;)
[01:15] <mneptok> you think ATI issues are frustrating, try making debconf and KVM play nicely.
[01:15] <Auctionedllama> Alright, lol, sorry for your troubles
[01:15] <Auctionedllama> Back to terminal >_>
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> Can I ask you guys a question?
[01:18] <mneptok> i think you just did.
[01:18] <Seeker`> Auctionedllama: Support questions belong in #ubuntu
[01:18] <mneptok> want another one?
[01:18] <Seeker`> If it is a question regarding -ops, then you can ask in here
[01:18] <mneptok> or channel policies
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> Alright, I am just having trouble.. nm
[01:18] <mneptok> etc etc
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> Thanks anyways
[01:23] <LjL> Auctionedllama, i'm not sure you get it
[01:23] <LjL> [02:19:23] <Auctionedllama> Hey mates, what is the command to install fglrx?
[01:23] <LjL> [02:19:47] <Auctionedllama> ?
[01:23] <LjL> [02:21:37] <Auctionedllama> Ok, it says its installed, but whenever I run the sudo modprobe fglrx command it doesn't show up
[01:23] <LjL> [02:21:39] <Auctionedllama> any halp?
[01:23] <LjL> what's the need for these "trailers"?
[01:23] <LjL> [02:22:49] <Auctionedllama> Uhm
[01:23] <LjL> [02:22:55] <Auctionedllama> Jack_sparrow- its all mesa
[01:24] <Auctionedllama> Sorry Mate
[01:24] <LjL> if you're sorry then stop doing it. there is a key on your keyboard that can print a period - use it
[01:26] <Auctionedllama> Most likely the answer is no.. but is there anyway you guys can like, help me real fast?
[01:27] <LjL> no. ask in #ubuntu. all in one line will make me more likely to try answering.
[01:28] <Auctionedllama> OK, I did, all in one line, just for you xD
[01:32] <nalioth> mneptok: noddle?
[01:33] <mneptok> nalioth: linked nicks do not share cloaks?
[01:34] <mneptok> (wait, can you link nicks on freenode?) O:)
[01:34] <nalioth> mneptok: they do, as long as the wearer is identified
[01:36] <mnepton> nalioth: and right you are :)
[01:37] <mneptok> sorry, thought i had those linked already. i did not.
[01:41] <LjL> [02:40:44] <tmccrary> Its-a you! Lorenzo! Mamma Mia!
[01:41] <LjL> he's going
[01:42] <stdin> btw, !guide probably want removing or turning in to something useful
[01:42] <LjL> !guide
[01:42] <ubotu> guide is hhgttg
[01:43] <LjL> !forget guide
[01:43] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[01:47] <ffm__> Can someone change the topic in #ubuntu+1 to something like "Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto | Beta Rel. Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta | Release Candidate comes out April 18, see
[01:47] <ffm__>  ubuntu-announce for the announcement | Release date 24th April" so that the RC date is in there?
[01:47] <mneptok> ffm__: no.
[01:47] <mneptok> ffm__: what if RC is delayed?
[01:48] <LjL> ffm__: also, as you showed, it doesn't fit in one message :)
[01:48] <Seeker`> ffm__: it is already April 18th for > 1/2 the world
[01:48] <ffm__> Ok. 
[01:48] <ffm__> How about "watch ubuntu-announce for the release candidate announcement" or something allong those lines?
[01:49] <mneptok> ffm__: and what would you remove to allow that to fit in the topic?
[01:49] <ffm__> mneptok, I'd think it'd fit on one time.
[01:50] <ffm__> *line
[01:50] <ffm__> "Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto | Beta Rel. Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta | Release Candidates and final releases will be announced on ubuntu-announce"
[01:51] <mneptok> so you'd remove the reference to the release date
[01:56] <LjL> what about "the RC is not out yet"
[01:56] <mneptok> http://tinyurl.com/4xuegw
[01:57] <LjL> tinyurls in topic are sooo unprofessional
[01:58] <nickrud> when we get paid, then 'professional'  will come into play ;)
[01:59] <ffm__> mneptok, Yeah, I would.
[01:59] <nalioth> nickrud: you don't get paid?
[01:59]  * nalioth covers mouth
[02:00]  * nickrud begins to feel cheated
[02:05] <LjL> nalioth, you really shouldn't say that we're being paid by irseek.
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[02:05] <nalioth> LjL: ssssh
[02:06]  * nickrud is now past feeling cheated
[02:06] <nickrud> feeling virtuous
[02:06] <nalioth> nickrud: weren't you the VP on the irseek board of directors?
[02:06] <nickrud> I couldn't convince anyone I was sleazy enough ;(
[02:07] <mneptok> OMG YOU SAID IRSEEK
[02:08] <mneptok> *ahem*
[02:08]  * nickrud hands mneptok his spare
[02:09]  * nalioth approaches mneptok with some 750C silver solder and a oxyacetylene torch to help him with the waves
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[02:25] <LjL> eek, nobody come out cloaked from the netsplit
[02:27] <nalioth> YOU'RE ALL NEKKID!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[02:28]  * nickrud wonders what LjL is talking about, I don't see any ips. (he always peeks wherever he can)
[02:29] <LjL> well, then maybe it was just my floodbot not logging in properly.
[02:29] <LjL> it's true i do see one cloak in there.
[02:29] <ikonia> I'm cloaked ?
[02:30] <LjL> yeah
[02:30] <LjL> but, you didn't split to begin with :)
[02:30] <ikonia> that explains that then 
[03:18] <LjL> [04:18:08] <FloodBot1> Randal1 tried to join #ubuntu from a web gateway, but their host is banned
[03:19] <LjL> pici: your ban
[03:19]  * Pici looks
[03:19] <Pici> @btlogin
[03:19] <LjL> just saying, that's clearly ban evasion.
[03:20] <Pici> troll anyway
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: can i suggest that you don't make any moves, re: emma, without knowing all that has gone on?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: also, remember about this chanenl - tell her that if she wishes to take an issue up, this is the place to do it - not other places, where it is offtopic.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: feel free to complain to freenode though.  Just make sure you do it by email (staff@freenode.net), so that it actually goes to the right people.
[05:32] <mneptok> hi! is this your party? the food sucks.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: come back when you're actually wearing pants, please.
[05:34] <emma> Hello.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> good day.
[05:39] <emma> Never mind, I am beginning to realize that I need to be the adult here.  Please do not use this channel as a place to antagonize me or encourage others to carry out your agenda. Thank you.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ...
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: apparently it's now a problem to actually answer a question.
[05:40] <nickrud> Hobbsee if you read back you will see that she might have some grounds ...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nickrud: i read it.
[05:41] <nickrud> I have a perverse sense of humor. Childish on reflection, sometimes
[05:41] <Hobbsee> nickrud: people expressing unhappiness over emma's conduct, and asking what has already been done, to be more effective at what they next plan to do, isn't exactly antagonistic.
[05:42] <nickrud> Hobbsee wasn't speaking of ikonia, he was very proper
[05:43] <Hobbsee> nickrud: right.  I didn't see a mention of emma that wasn't ikonia, or wasn't otherwise proper.  So now i'm confused.
[05:44] <nickrud> Hobbsee around 1758
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nickrud: UTC?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nickrud: (how many hours ago)
[05:45] <nickrud> Hobbsee no, lets see, 4 hours ?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> nickrud: ah, yes.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> I see now.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Would help if she didn't try to antagonise us, too.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah well, the sooner freenode makes a decision, the better.
[05:47] <nickrud> that snarky tone is what gets to me. She can have a good point, but totally alienate anyone who might be willing to listen
[05:47] <mneptok> what am i missing? what was said to her?
[05:48]  * mneptok is too lazy to grep logs
[05:48] <Hobbsee> mneptok: try 20 lines up.
[05:48] <nickrud> mneptok not here, us horsing around about irseek earlier is what I was referencing
[05:48] <mneptok> how does that antagonize her, or encourage others?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> mneptok: she comes in here, to tell us that she would like us not to antagonise her.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mneptok: now, in the land of emma....anything is possible.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ask for her definitions of spam sometime.  You'll find them quite enlightening.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mneptok: then you will understand her a lot more.
[05:49] <mneptok> as in "5hedd unw4nted POUNDZZZ" ?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> mneptok: or read it when the CC asks what her definition of spam is, when paladine makes it to a CC meeting.
[05:50] <mneptok> that kind of enlightening?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> not quite
[05:50] <mneptok> damn. i'm as big as a house.
[05:52] <mneptok> i love that i'm on closed ciruit tv.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> mneptok: if you ever saw elkbuntu's blog....you'll go far.
[05:52]  * mneptok hurls his water dish and shrieks
[05:52]  * Hobbsee chains mneptok up to the heavy pole outside.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> down, boy!
[05:52] <Hobbsee> bad dog.
[05:53]  * mneptok gnaws on nickrud's shoe
[05:53]  * nickrud is glad he just kicked mneptok's poop to the side
[05:54] <nickrud> ah, love being childish sometimes
[05:54] <mneptok> please do not antagonise me.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> mneptok: else you'll complain to the CC?
[05:55] <mneptok> i'll breed.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> oh no.
[05:55]  * Hobbsee finds someone to neuter mneptok
[06:16] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, bullgard4 said: !ops #ubuntu-de is abused.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> done
[06:22] <Jucato> you neutered mneptok?!?! O.o
[06:23] <Hobbsee> no, the ops call :P
[06:23] <Jucato> ooh :)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> and staff have attended to the other part of it
[06:48] <jussi01> hrm, lovely quit message (#ubuntu+1)
[06:48] <jussi01> [04/18/08 01:45:20] *** nenolod [n=nenolod@atheme/developer/nenolod] has quit ["<tsb-> ur a fucking prick :) | <nenolod> very good. thanks."]
[06:50] <Hobbsee> sounds like the mark of an op :P
[06:50] <Hobbsee> "thankyou for having a go at me"
[06:50] <jussi01> hehe
[07:43] <Hobbsee> sigh @ twb.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hm, he's only in +1
[07:43]  * Hobbsee wonders what htey put in the water
[07:45]  * Hobbsee has no idea why he expects users to be able to influence the fact that there are errors in the ubuntu websites, beyond filing bugs about them.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> [16:47] <twb> x1250: I'm asking if it's possible for an Ubuntu Developer to call for a vote to e.g. switch to a different BTS
[07:47] <Hobbsee> <sigh>
[07:48] <ompaul> Hobbsee, call me evil
[07:48] <Hobbsee> ompaul: yeah, you are.  good thing i won't be there.  but that'll require him to validate more than a  mail, i expect.
[07:50] <Jucato> a windows-only proprietary bts?
[07:50] <Jucato> >:)
[07:50]  * Hobbsee snorts
[07:50] <Hobbsee> bad Jucato!
[07:56]  * jussio1 is going to shoot someone... (wondering why? see http://www.dilbert.com/animation/ ) :/
[07:59] <Hobbsee> classy
[08:02]  * jussi01 changes browser identification...
[08:03] <ompaul> jussi01, does that work?
[08:03] <jussi01> heh, they are so stupid
[08:03] <jussi01> ompaul: yes :P
[08:04] <ompaul> hehe
[08:04] <ompaul> hav a nice day
[08:09] <Hobbsee> jussi01: hah.  nice.
[08:09]  * Hobbsee was amused to see that the cable for the internet stuff now only supports win2000, XP
[08:09] <Hobbsee> no mac, no linux, no vista.
[08:09] <jussio1> Hobbsee: can you explain a sane reason why companies do that?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> the vista one was particularly surprising
[08:09] <Hobbsee> jussio1: they don't want to support it.
[08:10] <jussio1> meh
[08:10] <Hobbsee> jussio1: while they might support a bit of it on the side, tehy don't want to be required to support it.
[08:10] <jussio1> well yeah, I suppose, but it still sucks. 
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: well, it should work.
[08:11] <jussio1> anyway, I should stop watching dilber videos and get back to work...
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: but for really....not smart...users...i can't blame them
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: they wouldn't want to have to debug network manager, for eg.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: or tell the users how to work firefox.
[08:11] <jussi01> hehe
[08:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you'd be surprised at how many people ask/demand in #linode for the admins to help them resolve their problems with apache.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> even though it's clearly stated "it's unmanaged, we don't do support for applications"
[08:13] <Hobbsee> some people will try anything.
[08:13] <jussio1> :/
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[10:31] <Hobbsee> !logs
[10:31] <ubotu> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[12:28] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[12:28] <jrib> good job floodbot
[12:29] <Myrtti> whoa
[12:45] <Mez> Is it bad that I'm cloning my system to a chroot and then testing the upgrade path there?
[12:51] <elkbuntu> Mez, only if it doesn't work.
[12:57] <Mez> elkbuntu, and if i itt does?
[12:58] <elkbuntu> Mez, it *is* your system, right?
[12:59] <Mez> well, my work system
[12:59] <elkbuntu> Mez, and there's no licence clause on any related application that says you cant do it, right?
[13:00] <Mez> elkbuntu, cloning my system to test itself?
[13:01] <Myrtti> /me votes for virtualisation
[13:01] <Mez> Myrtti - good point
[13:01] <Mez> but cant be arsed here
[13:01]  * Mez just assigns it to a core
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[14:21] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I think we was referring to the 'thanks for wasting our time' comment.... 
[14:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I know.. and he was wasting our time.. he knows he is running hardy and asking in the wrong place
[14:26] <ikonia> bullguard knows exactly what he is doing
[14:26] <ikonia> he trys to provoke an argument/situation
[14:26] <Pici> e does tend to ask highly technical linux (not necessarily ubuntu) related questions
[14:27] <ikonia> they are never highly technical just long winded
[14:27] <Pici> I've seen some obscure kernel questions before.
[14:27] <ikonia> If I am running a 2.6.24 kenrel, on a system that is ubuntu but laid out to look like fedora, with a theme that I found on a slack ware site, how do I add a user
[14:27] <Pici> Perhaps just too technical for me.
[14:28] <ikonia> I doubt that
[14:28] <Pici> Or maybe I just misunderstood
[14:30] <Jack_Sparrow> I hate these guys that say they are running both when it is clear they are working on the unsupported one
[14:30] <ikonia> agreed
[14:30] <ikonia> "I have one pc running gutsy and one running hardy"
[14:30] <ikonia> it's clear your asking about hardy
[14:30] <ikonia> user1 was a pain about that last night
[14:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I see us needing to keep #Ubuntu-1 for awhile if only for the xorg difference...(Probably need to rephrase that, but I am tired.)
[14:32] <ikonia> well as soon as it goes "live" I thought ubuntu+1 got nailed
[14:33] <Jack_Sparrow> +1 will go but wont gutsy then be -1
[14:33] <ikonia> I thought it was just #ubuntu ?
[14:33] <ikonia> eg: 7.10 is still supported in the same way that 7.04 is
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt we used to have -1 for previous release
[14:34] <Pici> Noe
[14:34] <Pici> er, Nope
[14:34] <ikonia> Pici: who me or Jack_Sparrow 
[14:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Im wrong then, I thought we did
[14:35] <Pici> ikonia: Jack
[14:35] <ikonia> super, just checkoing
[14:35] <ikonia> checking
[14:36] <Jack_Sparrow> For some reason I thought we did back in the badger era but I have been wrong before
[14:37] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Perhaps, I wasn't around here during that though.
[14:37] <Pici> For whatever reason it never occured to me that IRC support existed.
[14:37] <Jack_Sparrow> All too soon just one happy family
[14:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to go and boot my knoppixmame cd and go mindless for awhile...
[14:45] <ubotu> ogra called the ops in #ubuntu-devel ()
[14:46] <Hobbsee> heads up on [23:46] [Whois] Randall is n=randall@c-71-233-165-132.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (Randall McFarlane)
[14:46] <Pici> Hobbsee: yeah, I have a ban for him in #ubuntu iirc
[14:47] <Hobbsee> right
[16:15] <Pici> LjL: I didn't think that the release announcement had been made yet.
[16:18] <LjL> Pici: well, the releases site has the rc and does *not* have the beta, so we'd be linking to something that doesn't exist.
[16:18] <Hobbsee> it's not yet been made
[16:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: Do you know if the install images are in a final state for the RC?
[16:19] <Pici> nevermind.
[16:19] <LjL> if we aren't linking to the RC then we shouldn't be linking at all, since the beta wiki page links to the same ISOs
[16:20] <Hobbsee> Pici: the annoucement text is being done now
[16:20] <Hobbsee> and they're final, yes
[16:20] <Pici> slangasek just updated the -devel topic, so I guess we're good.
[16:21]  * Mez wonders whether tis worth upgrading today
[16:21] <Mez> (my chrooted upgrade went well with all the same packages - didnt even need to do a dselect-upgrade
[16:30] <Hobbsee> rc is out, yes
[16:32] <LjL> did we get some server failure that broke +J?
[16:33] <Pici> I had got a bunch of wallops when I was alseep about cycling servers.
[16:34] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: neither cdimage.ubuntu.com nor releases shows the rc here yet...
[16:34] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: and it isn't a browser cache issue :)
[16:34] <Pici> thoreauputic: I think the mirrors are still syncing
[16:34] <thoreauputic> right
[16:35] <LjL> Pici: right, two servers were rebooted, but i was there when that happened
[16:36] <LjL> but now i'm in #gentoo-unregistered (from #gentoo) and ##overflow (from #freenode i guess)
[16:36] <Pici> LjL: We had a mass join a few hours ago
[16:36] <LjL> yup, i'm just seeing that
[16:36] <LjL> mass join and flood
[16:36] <LjL> i see the bots stopped the flood pretty fast, for one time in their life
[16:37] <LjL> although, err, they detected a mass join, but set +rR after the mass joiners had already started flooding
[16:37] <LjL> so i guess not *that* fast
[16:38] <LjL> Pici: second-timestamped logs pretty please?
[16:39] <LjL> oh, i see about the +J... [05:45] *** LjL has quit IRC (server dropped connection!
[16:39] <LjL> so when i was gone my server's turn came
[16:40] <LjL> weird though that i don't see the floodbots setting -J before that... so #ubuntu should have been involved too
[16:40] <LjL> but nobody seemed to have joined -unregged
[16:40] <Pici> LjL: Yes the did, I cleared it out 
[16:40] <LjL> oh? my logs suck then
[16:41] <Pici> my typing is poor today, I keep missing letters.
[16:41] <LjL> or rather, i don't have logs for it at all
[16:41] <Pici> Do you still need the up to the second logs?
[16:41] <LjL> Pici: so at 3:45 utc a server split and the floodbots didn't move a finger about it? or what?
[16:42]  * Pici scrolls
[16:44] <LjL> i had a server initiated quit at 3:45, and during the same minute i reconnected (to leguin, i suppose) and ended up in ##overflow
[16:45] <Pici> LjL: No, they did the !netsplit thing then set -J at 23:45:12, then at 23:45:53 freenode set +J 2,5, at 23:46:32 the bot set -J again
[16:46] <LjL> Pici: and the folks joined #ubuntu-unregged at?
[16:46] <LjL> (i think i should make the bots force -J immediately if they see a +J that shouldn't be there... hopefully without that resulting in too many race conditions)
[16:47] <Pici> LjL: It looks like we only got 1 person.
[16:47] <LjL> uhm, then they worked after all
[16:47] <LjL> if you join ##overflow or #gentoo-unregistered, you'll see it's kinda different there
[16:48] <Pici> hm
[17:03] <nepbabu> is there a way to say 'be on topic' ?
[17:03] <nepbabu> i need it really quick
[17:03] <nepbabu> thanks!
[17:04] <mneptok> yes. simply stay on topic.
[17:04] <nepbabu> meeting's going on
[17:04] <nepbabu> mneptok: need help of ubotu
[17:04] <mneptok> where is this?
[17:04] <nepbabu> #ubuntu-np
[17:04] <nepbabu> thanks
[17:04] <Pici> !ot
[17:04] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:05] <nepbabu> Pici: need to s/ubuntu/ubuntu-np/g
[17:05] <nepbabu> :s
[17:05] <Pici> nepbabu: If they won't stop, the perhaps you should mute them.
[17:05] <nepbabu> okie then.. thanks
=== Pici` is now known as Pici
[18:48] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, techbw said: !!!it is much appreciated!!!!
[19:14] <Pici> !test
[19:14] <ubotu> Failed.
[19:29] <Myrtti> heads up at nerdsquad3210 [n=nerdsqua@a213-22-157-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] 
[20:42] <jussio1> hrm, Im heading out for a bit, but wth??? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=758536
[20:48] <nalioth> indeed.
[20:48] <Myrtti> they come and they go.
[20:48] <Myrtti> it's not official, so *shrug*
[20:53] <Myrtti> is anyone of you watching the xchat-gnome experience topyli is having at -ot
[22:18] <Pici> Ahaha... "By the way, Pidgin can do IRC. I recommend using that instead of xchat."
[22:20] <jussio1> hehe
[22:20] <Myrtti> muah
[22:22] <Myrtti> how does anyone even consider it
[22:22] <Myrtti> I'd recommend even chatzilla over pidgin
[22:22] <nalioth> lawn mowers can drive on public roadways, too  ( but it's a really bad idea )
[22:24] <jussio1> haha, nice example
[22:26] <Myrtti> wasn't there some piece of news once about a feller who decided to go buy soda from the store
[22:26] <Myrtti> with either a tank or a steam roller, can't remember which
[22:42] <Myrtti> eh.
[22:42] <Myrtti> "xchat-gnome-dbgsym: Depends: xchat-gnome (= 1:0.18-0ubuntu3) but 1:0.18-2ubuntu4 is to be installed"
[22:42] <Myrtti> okies.
[22:42] <Myrtti> nlol.
[22:42] <Myrtti> not funnay
[22:50] <stdin> give it a while for the archive at people.u.c to update
[22:54] <jussio1> !test
[22:54] <jussio1> hrm
[22:54] <jussio1> is our poor bot dead?
[23:03]  * PriceChild wonders why none of hte backups are in the channel
[23:04]  * PriceChild blames jussio1 
[23:04] <jussio1> hehe
[23:05] <PriceChild> jussio1: own up, you kicked them didn't you.
[23:05] <jussio1> PriceChild: I have she_said, which I can rename to ubot5 if we need it. 
[23:05] <jussio1> PriceChild: nope, I blame...ummm
[23:06] <jussio1> i dunno, someone
[23:11] <nalioth> ubotu: test
[23:11] <nalioth> He's dead, Jim.
[23:11] <jussio1> :/
[23:12]  * Jucato offers condolences
[23:12]  * jussio1 hands tissues around
[23:13] <nalioth> the ubot3 is working in other channels
[23:13] <PriceChild> autorems for whoever kicks the next bot out of channel.
[23:13] <nalioth> i've no idea why its' not working in #ubuntu 
[23:14] <PriceChild> oh there isn't a mute is there? :/
[23:14] <nalioth> i removed it
[23:14] <PriceChild> nalioth: no message
[23:14] <nalioth> unless there are others i didn't see
[23:15] <PriceChild> nalioth: its catching up... working now
[23:15] <nalioth> i've sent a total of 3, PriceChild 
[23:15] <nalioth> how many have you received?
[23:15] <PriceChild> i've gotten 2
[23:15] <nalioth> as i said, it works fine in other channels
[23:16] <nalioth> whoever has the keys to ubotwo, fire it up
[23:18] <jussio1> nalioth: last time I checked it was  broken
[23:19] <stdin> umm, ubot3 isn't in #ubuntu, so that'd be a reason
[23:19] <stdin> oh it *was*
[23:19] <stdin> nm
[23:20] <jussio1> I can have ubot5 join, but there a couple of non standard factoids.
[23:22] <jussio1> PriceChild: / nalioth, would you like ubot5 in there?
[23:22] <nalioth> stdin: it was not responding in #ubuntu (but works fine in the other channels it's in)
[23:22] <nalioth> jussio1: does it work?
[23:22] <jussio1> nalioth: works fine, but as I said, a few non standard factoids
[23:23] <stdin> anything that's likely to come up?
[23:23] <nalioth> jussio1: you don't rsync with s e v e a s' database?
[23:24] <jussio1> nalioth: no. in the channel its in we have a few things that we play with. 
[23:24] <nalioth> jussio1: mmmkay.  not sure we want a bot that's not synced with the official factoid package
[23:24] <jussio1> nalioth: 1 moment
[23:36] <jussi01> meh, i fail
[23:39] <jussio1> now then
[23:39] <jussio1> !test
[23:39] <ubot5> Failed.
[23:40] <jussio1> nalioth: this db is standard, but a little old. the dutchmans site seems to be down. :/
[23:44] <nalioth> figures
[23:44] <jussio1> nalioth: yeah
[23:49] <jussio1> nalioth: 2 things, would you like the bot in #u, and do you have a db which is newer that you could put someplace I can wget it?
[23:55] <Myrtti> the db's should be dumped to a place accessible every day, imo.
[23:56] <Myrtti> all of the bots should
[23:57]  * jussio1 is wondering still if we want the bot in there...