| [00:25] <nixternal> LaserJock: pong? | |
| [00:27] <LaserJock> nixternal: are you going to be doing any more kubuntu-docs uploads before release? | |
| [00:27] <nixternal> nope | |
| [00:27] <nixternal> unless something is totally broken of course | |
| [00:28] <LaserJock> sure | |
| [00:28] <LaserJock> I was just wondering if I should do a final edubuntu-docs | |
| [00:28] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought you weren't going to? | |
| [00:28] <crimsun> I'll review k-d tonight | |
| [00:28] <LaserJock> huh? | |
| [00:29] <LaserJock> wasn't gonna do what? | |
| [00:29] <crimsun> upload a final e-d, I presume. | |
| [00:30] <LaserJock> I would assume I would want to do a final one before it's ... you know, final :-) | |
| [00:31] <LaserJock> just came back from a graduation party for a good friend | |
| [00:31] <LaserJock> maybe I had a little too much champagne for nixternal ;-) | |
| [00:32] <nixternal> hehe | |
| [00:32] <LaserJock> although I wouldn't think half a glass would do much | |
| [00:32] <LaserJock> nasty stuff | |
| [00:32] <LaserJock> sparkling cider is way better | |
| [00:50] <ubotu> New bug: #215441 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Grammatical errors found in desktop-effects.xml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215441 | |
| [00:52] <Flannel> That bug contains no actual grammatical issues. | |
| [00:53] <Flannel> and most, if not all, of the itemized complaints aren't valid. | |
| [01:02] <nixternal> those are my favorite bugs! | |
| [02:20] <j1mc> does anyone know if we have to do a "bzr bind" to the new intrepid branches to prevent commit-history problems like we did with the hardy branch? | |
| [02:56] <j1mc> hm. anyone know how to import translations? | |
| [02:56] <j1mc> i think it's time to do that, right? | |
| [04:52] <thumper> I found a reference to this channel on some forum post | |
| [04:52] <thumper> I'm looking for an easy way to generate PDFs from docbook | |
| [04:53] <thumper> I read that the way to go is via apache fop | |
| [04:53] <thumper> is that still the case? | |
| [04:53] <thumper> if it is, are there simple packages to install to get it working? | |
| [05:17] <LaserJock> I'm not sure | |
| [05:17] <LaserJock> used to be no because fob is a Java app | |
| [05:17] <LaserJock> *fop | |
| [05:17] <LaserJock> but I think I may have seen it go by in hardy-changes | |
| [05:17] <LaserJock> thumper: ^^ | |
| [05:18] <thumper> LaserJock: thanks | |
| [05:18] <thumper> LaserJock: so is there a fo2pdf command somewhere? | |
| [05:18] <LaserJock> I think it does that, but I'm not sure | |
| [05:18] <LaserJock> let me look real quick if we have a script for it | |
| [05:31] <LaserJock> thumper: the doc team does have some useful stuff | |
| [05:31] <thumper> :) | |
| [05:31] <LaserJock> thumper: in the libs/pdf/ directory | |
| [05:32] <thumper> LaserJock: of a ubuntu-doc branch? | |
| [05:32] <LaserJock> yeah, if you don't have one grab intrepid because we started the history over and it will be *much* faster to branch | |
| [05:35] <thumper> LaserJock: thanks | |
| [05:36] <LaserJock> thumper: np, hope it helps | |
| [05:36] <thumper> me too :) | |
| [08:05] <mdke> thumper: we haven't built pdfs since probably the edgy release so you won't find the actual commands we ran in the branch; I'll try and dig them out for you | |
| [08:06] <thumper> mdke: thanks | |
| [08:06] <thumper> that'd be appreciated | |
| [08:08] <mdke> thumper: aha, if you get the dapper branch (use a DC machine) then you'll find them in ubuntu/Makefile, I'm pretty sure. Just getting the branch myself | |
| [08:08] <thumper> DC? | |
| [08:09] <Madpilot> Dapper branch? taking a trip into the Museum of Antique Docs? | |
| [08:09] <mdke> thumper: I mean datacenter | |
| [08:09] <mdke> Madpilot: right | |
| [08:09] <thumper> mdke: how about LP? | |
| [08:10] <thumper> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-doc/dapper | |
| [08:10] <mdke> thumper: i mean, it will be a lot faster to download from a datacenter machine than outside | |
| [08:10] <mdke> it's a large branch | |
| [08:10] * thumper shrugs | |
| [08:10] <thumper> smaller than LP I bet | |
| [08:10] <thumper> and I can wait | |
| [08:10] <mdke> ok | |
| [08:11] <mdke> thumper: ok, so here is a sample: | |
| [08:11] <mdke> xsltproc --xinclude -o $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.fo $(LULUSTYLE) ../generic/serverguide/C/serverguide.xml | |
| [08:11] <mdke> fop -c ../libs/pdf/fop.xconf -fo $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.fo -pdf $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.pdf | |
| [08:11] <mdke> rm $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.fo | |
| [08:12] <thumper> hmm... | |
| [08:12] <thumper> what do I need to install to get the fop command? | |
| [08:12] <mdke> thumper: fop, but afaik there isn't an ubuntu package, it needs to be installed by hand | |
| [08:12] <thumper> :( | |
| [08:12] <thumper> why not? | |
| [08:12] <thumper> geez | |
| [08:13] <thumper> where's a motu when you need one | |
| [08:13] <mdke> maybe it is now, I don't know | |
| [08:13] <mdke> it's been some time since we used it | |
| [08:13] <mdke> thumper: details which should be accurate as at about a year or two ago are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/BuildingDocumentation/PDF | |
| [08:15] <thumper> mdke: thanks, I'll check it out | |
| [08:19] <mdke> the Ubuntu Training team have been converting xml to pdf too, using a different toolchain, I think | |
| [08:19] <mdke> thumper: you might want to contact them too | |
| [08:19] <thumper> mdke: billy? | |
| [08:19] <mdke> thumper: right | |
| [08:19] <thumper> ok | |
| [08:19] <thumper> thanks again | |
| [08:20] <mdke> np | |
| [13:24] <MagicFab> hi all | |
| [13:47] <ubotu> New bug: #215662 in ubuntu-doc "Licensing information is not stated / linked from the docs "preview" website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215662 | |
| [13:48] <sommer> mdke: any thoughts on bug #215025? | |
| [13:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215025 in ubuntu-doc "server guide / mail filtering error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215025 | |
| [13:49] <MagicFab> sommer, there a bit of missing information in the server guide, regarding JeOS install. Should I just log a bug ? | |
| [13:49] <sommer> MagicFab: missing as incorrect, or more details? | |
| [13:50] <MagicFab> more details - GRUB install fails, which may give the impression the install is not posssible when in fact LILO can be used (which makes sense in such context) | |
| [13:51] <MagicFab> Similar to "missing SCSI support" which IMO is a bug but if duly documented can be worked around easily | |
| [13:51] <sommer> umm... that actually sounds more like an issue with jeos itself, and not a doc bug | |
| [13:52] <MagicFab> I'll file a bug against jeos, but I am asking here if it's worth changing the doc about that. | |
| [13:52] <sommer> you could ask in #ubuntu-virt about the grub issue... during my testing grub worked fine :) | |
| [13:53] <sommer> MagicFab: no, because hopefully the bug will be fixed before release | |
| [13:53] <MagicFab> nijaba tells me the doc is frozen, though. | |
| [13:53] <sommer> plus we're basically frozen until release | |
| [13:53] <MagicFab> Could this be an exception if tha bug is not resolved by release ? | |
| [13:53] <sommer> heh, correct | |
| [13:54] <sommer> probably not, because of the time it takes for translations | |
| [13:55] <sommer> I'd think that grub not working is a pretty major thing, soren in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-virt is the one working on jeos and virtualization stuff | |
| [13:56] <MagicFab> Oh it's already reported. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+bug/215618 | |
| [13:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215618 in ubuntu-jeos "Grub installation fails on JeOS Hardy on KVM Hardy" [Undecided,New] | |
| [13:56] <sommer> heh, bonus | |
| [13:57] <sommer> MagicFab: you might ping soren about it, if you're still seeing the problem in the latest jeos version | |
| [13:57] <MagicFab> so confirming that one and bugging soren about that I guess. | |
| [13:58] <MagicFab> sommer, thank you. | |
| [13:58] <sommer> welcome | |
| [14:02] <MagicFab> sommer, I am seing that in a fresh Hardy beta of Jeos, that's why I am here :) So... might this be grounds for a doc update exception if it's not fixed by release ? | |
| [14:03] <sommer> no, I have every confidence that it'll be fixed by release. If not the proper way to handle it would be with an SRU. | |
| [14:04] <sommer> an SRU to make grub on jeos work that is :) | |
| [14:05] <MagicFab> I am not sure it's not intentional - it's also curious someone logged the bug 1 hr. ago :) | |
| [14:05] <sommer> I think that grub working is the expected behavior, so it's usually best to document that... at least that's my view... heh | |
| [14:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | |
| [14:06] <sommer> MagicFab: I can ask soren real quick | |
| [14:06] <MagicFab> sure, although he's notified already. | |
| [14:07] <sommer> ah, well if it was only created an hour ago, he may not have had time to address it yet | |
| [14:10] <MagicFab> sure, I work with soren so I won't break his neck just yet :) | |
| [14:11] <sommer> ah, that's cool... at canonical? | |
| [14:11] <MagicFab> yes, although I am at support. He's in the server team as you know | |
| [14:12] <sommer> ooohhh, sure you blog frequently? | |
| [14:13] <MagicFab> sommer, these days yes - it depends. -> http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/ | |
| [14:14] <sommer> cool, I read Planet Ubuntu... nice to meet you in IRC :) | |
| [14:17] <MagicFab> sommer, likewise. I'll most likely endup contributing to docs directly - I was supposed to help with the Desktop guide too. | |
| [14:18] <sommer> that's awesome... the more the merrier! | |
| [14:19] <MagicFab> sommer, I had promised never to code or use dev tools long ago. Whishful thinking :) | |
| [14:20] <sommer> MagicFab: hehehehe... coding can be fun too | |
| [14:26] <MagicFab> sommer, I am told GRUB is supposed to work in JeOS and will be fixed - so no changes to that doc just yet | |
| [14:27] <sommer> sweet | |
| === fdd_0 is now known as fdd | |
| [18:38] <sommer> mdke: ping | |
| [18:38] <mdke> sommer: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) | |
| === MagicFab is now known as MagicFab_brb | |
| === MagicFab_brb is now known as MagicFab | |
| [21:22] <mdke> sommer: I think it's too late for a fix like that | |
| [21:22] <mdke> sommer: how serious is it? | |
| [21:24] <sommer> mdke: the group and username are reversed... so it won't work the way it currently is | |
| [21:24] <sommer> but the user may well reverse the docmented command and things will work | |
| [21:25] <sommer> so overall, I can't say it's a huge bug | |
| [21:25] <mdke> sommer: ok, as long as the wrong command doesn't lead to breakage, I think we fix it for intrepid | |
| [21:25] <sommer> I missed it because I had both usernames as part of each other's goup | |
| [21:25] <sommer> okay, sounds good | |
| [21:26] <sommer> thanks mdke | |
| [21:27] <sommer> I guess my other thought is that I'd hate to have the error there for 5 years :( | |
| [21:29] <mdke> sommer: we'll fix it after the release then and update translations | |
| [21:29] <mdke> as per philbull's proposal | |
| [21:29] <sommer> oh ya, good point | |