2008/04/08/#xubuntu.txt

=== danielm__ is now known as danielm
[00:24] <sudobash> hey is there a way to run: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 to a xubuntu machine as root at startup?
[00:25] <sudobash> or is there a config somewhere i can can add the gateway to
[00:25] <sudobash> the route
[00:26] <sudobash> Hey LjL are you around?
[00:26] <ere4si> you can set the gateway up in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:27] <sudobash> thanks
[00:31] <sudobash> how do you reset the config without having to restart?
[00:32] <sudobash> or reinitialize
[00:34] <ere4si> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   in a terminal
[00:34] <ere4si> sudobash: ^^
[00:34] <sudobash> awesome
[00:34] <ere4si> :)
[00:40] <sudobash> now it doesnt seem to work the same as route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[00:40] <sudobash> because that config doesnt let me ping google... but the route trick does
[00:41] <sudobash> is there a way to run the route command at startup i have done it before for this time i have ran scripts at the startup of GDM
[00:42] <sudobash> but just after the user logs would work if the script can run at root level
[00:44] <sudobash> i had a screwed up installation once that would corrupt Xorg and also GDM so both had to be reinstalled through terminal but I managed to write a shell script to stop gdm right before it actually had a chance to corrupt anything and could run startx
[00:45] <sudobash> but if i could run sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 to that it would work probably
[00:45] <ere4si> you could put the script in /etc/rc2.d/rc.local
[00:45] <sudobash> yeah thats it or /etc/rc.local right?
[00:46] <sudobash> whats the difference?
[00:46] <ere4si> no - /etc/rc2.d/rc.local
[00:46] <ere4si> the user runlevel default is 2
[00:47] <sudobash> well it has to run as sudo but without a password
[00:47] <sudobash> root
[00:47] <sudobash>  i mean
[00:49] <sudobash> trying it now
[01:06] <LetsGo67> How do I remove PPPoEconf system changes?
[01:08] <Stroganoff> LetsGo67: sudo apt-get purge pppoeconf
[01:08] <Stroganoff> if this isn't enough, then i'm sorry for i dont know
[01:09] <LetsGo67> Stroganoff, qu'est-ce que cela fait?
[01:09] <Stroganoff> english please
[01:09] <LetsGo67> What happens after running such a command?
[01:09] <Stroganoff> pppoeconf gets uninstalled including all its config files
[01:10] <LetsGo67> Good, what about the "load this on startup" stuff?
[01:10] <Stroganoff> depends on what you mean by stuff
[01:10] <Stroganoff> you can change startup services with boot-up manager: sudo apt-get install bum
[01:10] <LetsGo67> It set up my computer to automatically run PPPoEconf on startup
[01:11] <Stroganoff> did you do that manually? if so: revert it! ;D
[01:12] <LetsGo67> Ubuntu 8.04 is supposed to get Vista security?  No, not manual.
[01:12] <Stroganoff> vista security? what is this?
[01:12] <Stroganoff> just purge pppoeconf and see how it goes
[01:12] <LetsGo67> What am I looking for in bum, anyways?
[01:12] <Stroganoff> pppoeconf
[01:13] <Stroganoff> are you kind of dumb or are you just pretending?
[01:13] <LetsGo67> Not there.
[01:13] <Stroganoff> is there nothing with ppp?
[01:13] <Stroganoff> have you purged already? than its gone.
[01:13] <Stroganoff> congrats
[01:13] <LetsGo67> By "Vista security" I mean: instead of running an entire app as root, it is run at user, then later can be run as sudo.
[01:14] <LetsGo67> IE: synaptic and networks.
[01:14] <Stroganoff> LetsGo67: that is default in unix since 1968
[01:14] <LetsGo67> The "security"?
[01:15] <TheSheep> you mean 'policykit'
[01:15] <Stroganoff> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparmor
[01:15] <TheSheep> yes, hardy uses policykit
[01:15] <Stroganoff> whatever dude
[01:15] <LetsGo67> Yes, it's due.  :)
[01:16] <Stroganoff> hehe
[01:16] <LetsGo67> There's this guy who wants an Ubuntu account with no password.  Is that possible?
[01:17] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: yes
[01:17] <LetsGo67> How, TheSheep?
[01:17] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: just enable autologin
[01:17] <TheSheep> actually, no, it will still have password, but he won't need it
[01:17] <TheSheep> in the login window settings
[01:17] <LetsGo67> autologin, self-explanatory?
[01:18] <Stroganoff> is it possible with multiple users in gdm, TheSheep?
[01:18] <Stroganoff> like in xp where you just select a user?
[01:18] <Stroganoff> i'm aware of autologin ONE particular user.
[01:18] <LetsGo67> That's what I'm talking about!  :)
[01:18] <Stroganoff> i'm just asking because i didnt use GDM in a long time
[01:18] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: I'm not sure, I think it's not possible with gdm without some advanced black magic
[01:19] <LetsGo67> Mais où est donc AutoLogin?
[01:19] <Stroganoff> wat?
[01:19] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: the security tab
[01:20] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: 'automatic login'
[01:20] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: right at the top
[01:20] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: in settings->login window settings
[01:20] <LetsGo67> Je ne vois pas ça dans Xubuntu.  Il y a trop d'options sous Applications>Paramètres.
[01:21] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: it may be in 'system' in some versions of xubuntu (can't remember which)
[01:21] <LetsGo67> Non, Xfce est trop simple et il y a plein de bogues.  J'utilise 7.10
[01:21] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: just run 'sudo gdmsetup' from terminal
[01:22] <LetsGo67> Merci.
[01:22] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: btw, je ne parle pas français ;)
[01:23] <LetsGo67> Alors comment comprends-tu!?
[01:23] <Stroganoff> oui!
[01:23] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: well, it's not that hard to guess :)
[01:23] <LetsGo67> "Activer la connexion automatique".  Check that box, type an user... there ya go, Mr. I-don't-want-to-type-a-password!
[01:23] <Stroganoff> and still you managed to find that little cecile
[01:24] <TheSheep> cedille
[01:24] <Stroganoff> k
[01:24] <TheSheep> it's simple: compose , c
[01:24] <Stroganoff> where can i find that compose key?
[01:24] <LetsGo67> He's so used to XP but his Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.org all run on Ubuntu.
[01:25] <LetsGo67> No but I didn't know this auto login thing it's hard to find it's not obvious.
[01:25] <Stroganoff> haha he will never be able to open up the menu with winkey
[01:25] <LetsGo67> Winkey?
[01:25] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you can't by default, I have set CapsLock as compose, since I don't use it anyways
[01:25] <Stroganoff> WIN-Key.
[01:25] <Stroganoff> with that sad little logo
[01:25] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: super
[01:25] <LetsGo67> Je teste ça, a+!
[01:25] <Stroganoff> DIAMOND111
[01:25] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: shift, ctrl, super, alt
[01:26] <TheSheep> (or meta, if one prefers, instead of alt)
[01:26] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: Option          "XkbOptions"    "compose:caps"  <-- enables compose key
[01:26] <Stroganoff> TheSheep do you happen to know how much RAM is eaten (not cached) by xubuntu directly after login?
[01:26] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: in your xorg.conf, under keyboard settings
[01:26] <Stroganoff> k thx
[01:27] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: on my installs about 70-80MB
[01:27] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: but I have CUPS disabled, etc.
[01:28] <Stroganoff> k
[01:28] <TheSheep> it's possible to go lower, but I never bothered
[01:29] <Stroganoff> with cups samba etc disabled i'm at 25-30mb
[01:29] <TheSheep> nice
[01:29] <Stroganoff> with my cli-script.
[01:29] <Stroganoff> that is without desktop icons ^^
[01:29] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: no hal, gamin, dbus, etc? :)
[01:29] <Stroganoff> and without network (wifi) manager :/
[01:29] <Stroganoff> WITH hal, gamin dbus thunar-volman etc.
[01:29] <TheSheep> well, xfdesktop takes a lot of ram by itself
[01:30] <TheSheep> especially with icons
[01:30] <TheSheep> and some panel plugins too
[01:30] <Stroganoff> it's that mcs-manager that i'm worriing about
[01:30] <Stroganoff> im not using the panekl
[01:30] <TheSheep> but I can't live without the clipman panel plugin
[01:30] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[01:30] <Stroganoff> i just wanted to compare
[01:31] <Stroganoff> there's "glipper", features a tray icon?
[01:31] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you are looking at the 'writable memory' stat, right?
[01:31] <Stroganoff> maybe it's enough for your needs?
[01:31] <TheSheep> no, I'm really used to how clipman does it
[01:31] <Stroganoff> TheSheep, i'm looking at free+cache
[01:32] <Stroganoff> just to be sure i use conky
[01:32] <TheSheep> I actually use some really memory-hungry apps: gajim, sonata
[01:32] <TheSheep> because I find them much more comfortable
[01:33] <TheSheep> and because I have 2GB ram anyways
[01:33] <Stroganoff> thats out of the question
[01:33] <Stroganoff> my light weight desktop doesn't prevent you from using good apps ^^
[01:33] <TheSheep> python apps do tend to be well thought out and rapidly developed
[01:33] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: I'd use gossip and gimmix instead, except they have terrible user interfaces :)
[01:34] <Stroganoff> information overload... *explodes*
[01:35] <TheSheep> a lightweight, fast web browser would be nice
[01:35] <Stroganoff> firefox3 is getting lighter
[01:35] <Stroganoff> opera is currently disabled due to flash
[01:35] <Stroganoff> kazekahase is unusable
[01:35] <Stroganoff> japanese just dont code right.
[01:35] <Stroganoff> it's true!
[01:35] <TheSheep> I know the market pretty well
[01:36] <TheSheep> I actually even started writing my own, but given it up
[01:36] <TheSheep> epiphany with webkit would be interesting
[02:05] <mscdex> how can i stop x once i'm logged in to the desktop in hardy heron?
[02:08] <mscdex> i tried "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" but it tells me command not found
[02:10] <jcgrv06> Hello. Anybody installed xubuntu on a ThinkPad 240?
[02:34] <Stroganoff> jcgrv06 i'd imagine its slow
[02:34] <Stroganoff> jcgrv06 you might be interested in my new mini ubuntu
[02:35] <Stroganoff> its full featured but considerably faster than xubuntu
[02:35] <Stroganoff> quite usable with 64mb ram
[02:35] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[02:36] <Stroganoff> thats you best shot unless you wanna try gentoo
[02:40] <Stroganoff> jcgrv06 give it a try
[02:43] <jcgrv06> Stragnoff, thanks, but performance isn't a problem. I'm using it right now and it's ok. I have a problem with the screen resolution.
[02:43] <jcgrv06> This card is 1024x768 capable (I get that in Windows 2000) but it won't go over 800x600 in xubuntu
[02:44] <jcgrv06> Got 320MB, memory isn't an issue
[02:44] <Stroganoff> ok
[02:44] <Stroganoff> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:44] <Stroganoff> will let you choose more resolutions
[02:45] <jcgrv06> I tried the reconfigure several times. I chose 1024x768 as one of the resolutions. I went from 24 to 16 in pixel depth, but 1024x768 doesn't show
[02:45] <Stroganoff> have you tried xrandr?
[02:46] <jcgrv06> no
[02:46] <Stroganoff> i doubt it would work with xrandr (or grandr)
[02:47] <Stroganoff> what display driver are you using?
[02:47] <jcgrv06> the one xubuntu selected by default for the NeoMagic
[02:49] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257696
[02:49] <Stroganoff> first reply.
[02:50] <Stroganoff> my icewm-desktop is still much faster :p
[02:51] <jcgrv06> Thanks, I'm trying it now. I have edubuntu for the children in an old PC. Just wanted to try xubuntu "as is" on this ThinkPad.
[02:51] <Stroganoff> i will integrate edubuntu into my desktop later
[02:51] <Stroganoff> it's gonna rock
[02:53] <jcgrv06> Thanks,  Stroganoff. I'm restarting X now
[03:41] <bassinboy> snort is not configuring, it hangs on something, is there anyway to remove it?
[04:05] <DrIP> hello all! how can i make a command, open in a terminal window, at login?
[04:06] <DrIP> ahh got it, thanks anyways
[05:14] <charding> is the default package type for ubuntu .deb?
[05:22] <n-iCe> hello why can't I see the title bar in my windows?
[05:22] <n-iCe> hi
[06:32] <n-iCe> how do I install icons themes?
[06:37] <zoredache> !search themes
[06:37] <ubotu> Found: eyecandy, launch-feedback, art, i-candy, wallpaper, changethemes, icandy, themes, theme, superkaramba
[06:37] <zoredache> !themes
[06:37] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:38] <n-iCe> thanks
[06:38] <n-iCe> I tried to drag it but didn't work like on ubuntu
[06:39] <n-iCe> :/
[06:39] <n-iCe> I don't have Click System → Preferences → Theme
[06:39] <n-iCe> what why I am asking
[06:39] <n-iCe> is there any way to open by terminal?
[06:43] <n-iCe> zoredache,  ??
[06:45] <n-iCe> welcome back
[06:45] <n-iCe> I don't have Click System → Preferences → Theme
[06:45] <n-iCe> is there any way to open it on the terminal?
[06:57] <n-iCe> anyone online?
[06:58] <ere4si> what options do you have in the settings manager?
[06:59] <n-iCe> it is in spanish i have the lastest xubuntu version, do you?
[06:59] <n-iCe> Could you tell me the ext location to translate it and look for it, please
[07:03] <ere4si> n-iCe: if your using 8.04 the settings manager is where you change the theme -    settings - settings manager - user interface
[07:15] <n-iCe> ere4si,  sorry
[07:16] <ere4si> k
[07:16] <n-iCe> where do I need to install the themes?
[07:28] <ere4si> /usr/share/themes
[07:32] <n-iCe> I can't grab the folder to that path
[07:32] <n-iCe> :|
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[07:57] <ere4si> try gksudo thunar /usr/share/themes
[08:06] <ere4si> n-iCe: ^^
[08:07] <n-iCe> ok
[08:09] <ere4si> n-iCe: get it working?
[08:09] <n-iCe> well
[08:09] <n-iCe> yes
[08:09] <n-iCe> but I don't see the theme intalled in the themes administrator application
[08:09] <n-iCe> it is not there o.O
[08:16] <ere4si> n-iCe: logout and in
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[09:24] <mckulk_>  i cant find supported tv cards by ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport for looking suported tv card. do i have to look in multimedia sections?
[09:27] <ablomen> mckulk_, youll have more luck looking at the mythtv wiki i think
[09:27] <ablomen> they should have a big list of supported tuner cards over there
[09:27] <ablomen> and *ubuntu should support all/most of them
[11:53] <leche> why do i got 2 nm-applets started everytime, even if i kill 1... shouldnt the session manager recognize this?
[12:03] <LetsGo67> The wireless icon doesn't have two green bulbs anymore!
[12:04] <LetsGo67> It just says 0 bars even when it's not connected!
[12:04] <LetsGo67> What's wrong?
[12:24] <LetsGo67> The wireless icon doesn't have two green bulbs anymore!
[12:24] <LetsGo67> It just says 0 bars even when it's not connected!
[12:24] <LetsGo67> What's wrong?
[12:25] <gabkdlly> hi
[12:25] <LetsGo67> Hi.
[12:26] <LetsGo67> Xubuntu is acting all weird!
[12:26] <gabkdlly> i'm sorry :(
[12:26] <gabkdlly> maybe there are no wireless access points in your immediate vacinity?
[12:29] <gabkdlly> the more specific you can be about your problems, the more likely it is that someone in the channel will be able to help you
[12:46] <LetsGo67> There is.
[12:46] <LetsGo67> Thanks anyways.
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[14:55] <gynterk> any ideas about Apacer AS820 mp3 player?
[14:55] <gynterk> Philips GoGear for example works fine, but after connecting miniusb<->usb cable to AS820 it doesn't auto-mount it
[15:01] <gynterk> anyone?
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[15:58] <jcgrv06> Hello. Has anybody here installed xubuntu on a ThinkPad 240?
[15:59] <maxamillion> not i
[16:01] <The-Kernel> ASk your question anyways jcgrv06
[16:01] <The-Kernel> We may be able to still help you.
[16:02] <jcgrv06> I installed xubuntu last weekend. I have now dual boot w/W2K. This laptop has a 10.4" screen, 800x600 is native but is capable of 1024x768. I can scroll in Windows just by moving the cursor towards the border.
[16:03] <jcgrv06> xubuntu only allows 800x600. I have reconfigured X, set pixel depth to 16 from 24 and added 1024x768 as a valid resolution, but didn't help.
[16:03] <jcgrv06> I haven't tried an external monitor yet, but it'd be nice if it behaved like in W2K
[16:04] <The-Kernel> what driver is installed, and what video card do you have?
[16:04] <Iskr> does the video card use shared memory?
[16:04] <jcgrv06> Driver is the default one for NeoMagic 128
[16:04] <jcgrv06> No, videocard has 2MB dedicated
[16:04] <Iskr> ongly 2mb?
[16:04] <Iskr> maybe it needs more
[16:04] <The-Kernel> haha
[16:04] <Iskr> try to assign more memory
[16:04] <The-Kernel> hey, 2 mb works.
[16:05] <Iskr> well in my case it needed 16 mb
[16:05] <The-Kernel> I'm using abotu that much right now
[16:05] <Iskr> to show 1024x768
[16:05] <jcgrv06> no, there is no way to assign more memory. 1024x768 + 16M is possible in Windows
[16:05] <jcgrv06> Probably this is a limitation in xubuntu
[16:05] <The-Kernel> jcgrv06 have you looked in the BIOS?
[16:05] <Iskr> jcgrv06, it is possible
[16:05] <Iskr> i did it
[16:06] <jcgrv06> Same BIOS lets me boot in W2K w/1024x768
[16:06] <Iskr> TheSheep,
[16:06] <Iskr> how it was that command
[16:06] <Iskr> for reconfiguring X?
[16:06] <The-Kernel> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[16:06] <jcgrv06> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xconf.org-server
[16:06] <jcgrv06> :)
[16:06] <The-Kernel> or xserver-xorg
[16:07] <The-Kernel> can't ever remember which one it is
[16:07] <jcgrv06> I tried several times. I need to try with an external monitor
[16:07] <jcgrv06> 800x600 is too limited, I can't see the Apply / Cancel buttons sometimes
[16:08] <ablomen> xserver-xorg
[16:08] <ablomen> ah The-Kernel already said that, didnt read that ;)
[16:08] <jcgrv06> yes, I went through the motions, messing up the settings (it defaulted to Alsa) and manage to put it the way it was.
[16:09] <The-Kernel> I don't know about you, but the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xconf.org-server doesn't even work for me
[16:09] <Iskr> maybe it's this!
[16:09] <Iskr> =D
[16:09] <The-Kernel> jcgrv06 did you assign it 16 mb of memory?
[16:14] <jcgrv06> no, I didn't. But again, Windows drivers allow me to scroll around with 2MB. You need 1024x768*2 bytes = 1,572,864 bytes = 1.5MB
[16:16] <Iskr> well
[16:16] <Iskr> maybe more video memory is necessary for other reasons
[16:16] <Iskr> and maybe windows assigns it wighout letting you knwo
[16:17] <jcgrv06> no, because 1024x768 is unavailable if you go to 24 pixel depth
[16:17] <jcgrv06> that'd go over 2MB
[16:22] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: you can enable scrolling by adding the 'virtual' option to your xorg.conf
[16:22] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: see 'man xorg.conf' for details
[16:27] <jcgrv06> Thanks, TheSheep. I will try that
[16:28] <jcgrv06> Also, I'm getting approx. half the speed with my wireless card.
[16:28] <jcgrv06> than with Windows. Perhaps I should use ndiswrapper to wrap the Windows driver?
[16:29] <TheSheep> no idea
[16:32] <jcgrv06> has anybody compared xubuntu's desktop performance with other ubuntu derivatives?
[16:35] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: how wuld you measure that?
[16:35] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: the computational performance is identical, as they are based on the same core
[16:36] <jcgrv06> Overall responsiveness. Boot time, time it takes to open File Manager and navigate
[16:36] <n-iCe> how do I update my video drivers??
[16:41] <TheSheep> n-iCe: except for some proprietary drivers, they are all shipped with the kernel/xorg
[16:41] <TheSheep> n-iCe: so they are updated with the whole system
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[16:44] <jcgrv06> One thing I missed right away w/Thuran was the search capability and Recent documents. It seems it's only available from the open / save as dialog box. Am I missing something?
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[16:45] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: you can add the 'places' plugin to have a list of recent documents
[16:45] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: search is done with separate programs, like catfish
[16:46] <jcgrv06> Thanks, TheSheep
[16:47] <jcgrv06> That's why I was asking about the performance difference between xubuntu & edubuntu, for example. edubuntu comes with it already, but it uses the gnome desktop manager
[16:53] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: yeah, Nautilus is pretty bloated with features
[16:55] <n-iCe> can someone help me?
[16:55] <n-iCe> Where do I get themes and how do I install them?
[16:55] <TheSheep> n-iCe: try http://xfce-look.org
[16:56] <TheSheep> n-iCe: you unpack them to the .themes directory in your home
[16:56] <n-iCe> I downloaded one, but I couldn't get it work :<
[16:56] <n-iCe> The-Kernel,  that's all?
[16:56] <TheSheep> create this directory if it doesn't exist yet
[16:56] <TheSheep> yes, after that the theme should appear in the user interface settings or window manager settings, depending on what kind of theme it is
[16:59] <n-iCe> how do I remove a program?
[16:59] <n-iCe> apt-get remove program ?
[16:59] <TheSheep> yes, or use synaptic
[16:59] <n-iCe> thanks
[17:01] <n-iCe> TheSheep,  I did but the program folder is still there
[17:01] <n-iCe> :|
[17:02] <TheSheep> program folder?
[17:02] <n-iCe> rm -r ~/.wine did the trick
[17:03] <TheSheep> you should have said you meant a windows program installed with wine
[17:03] <TheSheep> now run winecfg to recreate it
[17:06] <n-iCe> TheSheep, Ok thanks
[17:06] <n-iCe> Now, how do I open a folder with root privileges?
[17:06] <n-iCe> Because I can¡t extract the icon theme to the themes folder :\
[17:06] <n-iCe> by the way it is on /usr/shared/themes is it correct TheSheep ?
[17:11] <TheSheep> n-iCe: icon themes are stored in .icons in your home directory or in /usr/share/icons
[17:12] <TheSheep> n-iCe: you shouldn't modify the global ones, juts make a copy in your home
[17:12] <TheSheep> all your changes would be lost on update
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[17:13] <n-iCe> I can't create a folder on home
[17:14] <TheSheep> n-iCe: you can't create a directory in your own home directory?
[17:14] <TheSheep> how so?
[17:14] <n-iCe> the "create folder" is like blocked in grey
[17:14] <TheSheep> what's the error?
[17:15] <TheSheep> n-iCe: your home directory is /home/yourusername
[17:15] <n-iCe> ooh I thought just /home/
[17:15] <n-iCe> Ok done, do I need to name it: .icons , right?
[17:17] <n-iCe> thanks
[17:17] <n-iCe> worked
[17:39] <n-iCe> TheSheep, I see in my menu a submenu called others, where can I find it on the terminal, what's the path any ideA?
[18:07] <n-iCe> I can't eject my cdrom, says error, how can I force it?????
[18:08] <zoredache> is it still mounted?  it anything using files on the drive?
[18:09] <n-iCe> I don't think so
[18:09] <n-iCe> I can't unmount
[18:09] <zoredache> I have found on many occasions that thunar seems still be using something even if there are no open windows....
[18:09] <n-iCe> says it is busy
[18:10] <n-iCe> how can I stop it?
[18:10] <zoredache> I usually do a 'killall Thunar'
[18:10] <n-iCe> killall Thunar ?
[18:10] <zoredache> at a terminal or in a 'alt-f2' run prompt
[18:25] <n-iCe> zoredache,  ok I rebooted
[18:26] <zoredache> ah, well that must have solved it
[18:28] <n-iCe> Grr but when I try to install the game, and ask me for the disc number to the same, I can't reject the disc number 1 :<
[18:29] <n-iCe> any idea on what to do?
[18:51] <n-iCe> is back
[18:51]  * Stroganoff too
[19:16] <n-iCe> rebooting, brb
[19:30] <Banan_wii> hey
[19:30] <gaurdro>    hello
[19:30] <Banan_wii> i cant install themes ... :/
[19:30] <Banan_wii> simple problem
[19:31] <Banan_wii> i tried ~/.themes adn /usr/share/themes
[19:31] <Banan_wii> wheeeere to put that ****** package?
[19:32] <gaurdro> where are you installing themes from?
[19:33] <Banan_wii> xfce-look.org
[19:33] <Banan_wii> so?
[19:35] <Banan_wii> i got package tar.gz
[19:35] <Banan_wii> unpacked
[19:36] <Banan_wii> and i have folder with lots of *.xpm
[19:36] <Banan_wii> and 1 themerc file
[19:36] <Banan_wii> its good theme folder?
[19:37] <Banan_wii> plz help
[19:37] <Banan_wii> hey guys any1 there ?? i have xubuntu 6.06 LTS
[19:37] <zoredache> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227416&highlight=xfce+xubuntu
[19:37] <zoredache> !patients
[19:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patients - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:38] <Banan_wii> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/NNM-NG?content=60643
[19:38] <Banan_wii> i want this
[19:38] <gaurdro> in 7.10 it is /usr/share/themes/
[19:39] <zoredache> !patience
[19:39] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:39] <Banan_wii> i have folder /usr/share/themes
[19:39] <Banan_wii> there are other themes
[19:39] <gaurdro> make sure you can write to the directory you're putting the themes in.
[19:39] <Banan_wii> i unpacked it into this folder from root
[19:40] <gaurdro> look at the contents of themerc, it may contain information about what themes are installed or give a hint as to what to do to get xubuntu to recognize the themes.
[19:40] <gaurdro> it may be as simple as <ctrl>-<alt>-<Backspace>
[19:41] <Banan_wii> hmm i think i know what might be the prob
[19:41] <Banan_wii> give me 5 sec i will write result
[19:43] <Banan_wii> ...
[19:47] <Banan_wii> ok
[19:47] <Banan_wii> it works
[19:47] <Banan_wii> thx for all
[19:47] <gaurdro> and your solution was?
[19:47] <Banan_wii> do it carefully
[19:48] <Banan_wii> and <ctlr><alt><bksp>
[19:48] <gaurdro> ...
[19:48] <Banan_wii> :D
[19:48] <gaurdro> now a question,  do you know what  <ctlr><alt><bksp> actually does?
[19:48] <Banan_wii> yes
[19:48] <Banan_wii> it resets graphical interface and session
[19:49] <gaurdro> yes,  the underlying command to it is to restart the xserver.
[19:50] <Banan_wii> hehe
[19:50] <Banan_wii> but u know whats the most phunny thing?
[19:51] <Banan_wii> i figured out that i want to change UI rather than theme :]
[19:51] <Banan_wii> they are hard to tell apart from newbie :)
[19:54] <Banan_wii> BTW how to add new icons?
[19:54] <Banan_wii> is there /icons/ folder?
[19:54] <gaurdro> there's a wonderful command for searching from the terminal.
[19:55] <gaurdro> to index the computer you type  'sudo slocate -d'
[19:55] <gaurdro> the to search for something type 'sudo slocate anything'
[19:55] <gaurdro> you may have to install it using apt-get.
[19:55] <Banan_wii> hey -d dont work
[19:55] <gaurdro> oops,  sorry it's -u.
[19:55] <zoredache> you shouldn't need to use sudo to search for something...
[19:56] <Banan_wii> ok indexing
[19:56] <gaurdro> slocate checks permissions and won't display anything you can't get to,  on my computer it won't display anything I can't write to.
[19:57] <gaurdro> and you need it to run the drive indexing regardless of how it's setup.
[19:57] <Banan_wii> WoW !!
[19:57] <Banan_wii> its really fast
[19:57] <Banan_wii> gr8 tool
[19:59] <Banan_wii> BTW is "sudo thunar" safe?
[19:59] <zoredache> !enter
[19:59] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[20:00] <Banan_wii> ok
[20:00] <zoredache> it is as safe as the user behind it.  You can completely trash your OS with a single incorrect operation
[20:01] <Banan_wii> but not really unsafer than su -?
[20:02] <zoredache> it is all the same really...  su, sudo, gksu, whatever you are running will have root permissions (unless you specified something else)
[20:03] <Banan_wii> kk
[20:03] <Banan_wii> another question
[20:03] <Banan_wii> is it needed to do CTRLALTBKSP after copying new fonts to see it?
[20:04] <gaurdro> probably,  I think the xserver only reads the font directory on startup
[20:04] <Banan_wii> so yes?
[20:05] <Banan_wii> hmm i can see it in openoffice
[20:07] <gaurdro> I dunno,  I would open openoffice and see if it can see the new fonts
[20:13] <Banan_wii> i need them for system ...
[20:13] <Banan_wii> its still /usr/share/fonts/?
[20:20] <TheSheep> Banan_wii: you need to put them into the .fonts directory in your home and run 'fc-cache' in terminal
[20:20] <Banan_wii> it cant be /usr/share/fonts?
[20:21] <TheSheep> it can
[20:21] <Banan_wii> ok
[20:21] <Banan_wii> thx
[20:21] <TheSheep> but it's not nice to have to run root commands every time you want to add a font
[20:21] <Banan_wii> why?
[20:22] <Banan_wii> np for me
[20:22] <TheSheep> every time you run a command as root a little penguin dies ;)
[20:22] <gaurdro> /usr/share/*  is generally for system wide things but if you only have a single user equivalent folders are in your home directory.
[20:22] <Banan_wii> :D
[20:22] <TheSheep> no eally, you will make a mistkae one time and break your system
[20:22] <Banan_wii> omg what a cool text :)
[20:23] <Banan_wii> hmm i must think about sort of Time Machine then :D
[20:23] <TheSheep> sorry, tired
[20:24] <Banan_wii> hey which is the name of first usb mass storage?
[20:26] <Banan_wii> and whats the name of FAT if i want to use mount -t?
[20:27] <Banan_wii> oh drop it then i will just run winXP ... still left on my HD
[20:27] <Banan_wii> bye
[20:37] <gaurdro> I'm soo glad my testing machine has an excellent internet connection,  I've averaged 100 updates per day running hardy beta.
[20:53] <Annirak> How do I determine which update is requiring a reboot before I reboot?
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> you should get a message when you need to
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> the orange update icon turns into 2 round arrows
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> usually, only kernel updates
[20:55] <Annirak> PsynoKhi0: I know that I need to restart.  But I want to know what caused it.
[20:55] <PsynoKhi0> oh oops
[20:55] <PsynoKhi0> WHICH udpate
[20:55] <Annirak> Kernel and libc updates normally, I know.
[20:55] <PsynoKhi0> ok read too fast, as usual...
[20:55] <Annirak> Eh, happens
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> Annirak: yup... only unusually often in my case :|
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> some language files can do that too
[20:58] <TheSheep> Annirak: you don't have to reboot after the update
[20:58] <TheSheep> Annirak: it just won't take effect unti you do
[20:58] <Annirak> TheSheep: Ok, but how do I see a list of packages which are calling for the restart?
[20:59] <TheSheep> Annirak: I don't think you can easily
[20:59] <theron> from the live CD, is there a CLI installer that I can use after the cd has booted up?
[20:59] <theron> I can't seem to get X running on the live cd.
[20:59] <TheSheep> theron: no, use the alternate cd for that
[20:59] <theron> TheSheep: ok thx.
[21:07] <x9x> hi
[21:09] <TheSheep> hello x9x
[21:10] <x9x> are there a page somewhere that lists what components xubuntu is made of?
[21:10] <x9x> hi TheSheep
[21:11] <x9x> more detailed than that is use xfce4 instead of gnome ?
[21:12] <TheSheep> x9x: you can look at the deps of the xubuntu-desktop package at packages.ubuntu.com
[21:13] <TheSheep> x9x: that's 1st hand info
[21:13] <TheSheep> x9x: it changes from version to version
[21:15] <x9x> aha
[21:23] <slimjimflim> hi, wondering if anybody knows anything about audio not working w/ adobe flash player
[21:24] <slimjimflim> it's really starting to become a drag
[21:25] <x9x> hmm...  how do I do that? when I search for xubuntu-desktop in the packages.ubuntu.com webpage I get to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/xubuntu-desktop
[21:25] <x9x> am I at the right place then?
[21:25] <zoredache> x9x: yes
[21:25] <x9x> ok
[21:26] <slimjimflim> ....tried reinstalling flash and it happens on konqueror too
[21:26] <slimjimflim> and my mixer
[21:26] <slimjimflim> xfce-mixer or something
[21:27] <x9x> ...and the packages with the red dot ("beror" in swedish) is the deps?
[21:27] <x9x> is there a way to see that page in english btw?
[21:27] <slimjimflim> altavista.com can translate, x9x
[21:28] <zoredache> x9x: it is in english (for me), I suspect you may need to set the language in your browser
[21:28] <x9x> oups.. I found a link to english at the bottom of the page :-}
[21:30] <zoredache> x9x: yes, the red dot indicates required packages
[21:30] <x9x> the green ones, "recommends" is allso installed when I install xubuntu I guess?
[21:31] <zoredache> it depends on how you install, but yes you usually get the reccomended packages as well
[21:31] <x9x> something that whould be very nice is a table that compares xubuntu with fluxbuntu and normal ubuntu
[21:32] <x9x> aha
[21:32] <slimjimflim> what's fluxbuntu?
[21:33] <gaurdro> a flavor of ubuntu that uses fluxbox as it's window manager.
[21:33] <zoredache> I suspect that table would be really long, but it wouldn't be very hard to generate with a little scripting...
[21:33] <x9x> is is supposed to need less memory than xubuntu.
[21:34] <slimjimflim> ya, that's what it looks like from the fluxbox wiki
[21:35] <x9x> zoredache : yeah I guess a ubuntu-xubuntu side-by-side page should be somewhat easy to make with scripts. but I don't know if fluxbuntu have these kind of info
[21:35] <zoredache> sure, it should be available just as easily
[21:36] <x9x> btw, ehat do xubuntu do If I try do run it on a computer with too little memory? say only 100Mb... do it try anyway or protest?
[21:36] <x9x> *what
[21:36] <zoredache> you might have to use apt-cache to get get your lists, but all the information is easily available
[21:36] <x9x> ok
[21:36] <x9x> oh.. now it is time for tea. see you later.
[21:37] <zoredache> some services may not start, and you would probably get a huge ammount of disk thrashing from swap
[21:44] <asker> does anyone know where the X settings in failsafe are stored?
[21:46] <asker> I have looked in the Xorg.conf and all the hidden files. but I cant find it anywhere.
[21:47] <asker> the reason I ask is because the HW acceleration works like a charm in failsafe, but not any other login options.
[21:48] <zoredache> you might try a locate xorg.conf
[21:48] <asker> ok
[21:48] <asker> /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[21:48] <asker> /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.roster
[21:48] <asker> /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz
[21:48] <asker> /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf
[21:48] <asker> /usr/share/displayconfig-gtk/xorg.conf.fallback
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155839
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080218100846
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209172612
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.1
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.deb
[21:49] <zoredache> !pastebin > asker
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.new
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.reconfigure
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.what
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071203193142
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf~
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209160239
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155810
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155918
[21:49] <asker> ok
[21:49] <asker> 1 sec
[21:49] <asker> !pastebin
[21:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:49] <zoredache> do that again... anyway look ath the filenames... on looks like it may be the failsafe
[21:50] <asker> ok
[21:50] <zoredache> don't* I mean...
[21:51] <asker> i know
[21:54] <slimjimflim> to continue what i was saying before about flash audio not working, here's an error i get when i run firefox->youtube as root from a shell:
[21:54] <slimjimflim> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[21:54] <slimjimflim> any ideas?
[21:54] <gaurdro> try not running it as root
[21:57] <slimjimflim> guardro, it does the same for an unpriv. user
[21:57] <slimjimflim> i was just doing that b/c i only get the error as root
[21:57] <slimjimflim> i'm assuming it's the same error, just not being printed to std out
[21:58] <gaurdro> maybe, maybe not,  a lot of program complain when they're run from root.  Alsa may be one of these (I'm not sure).
[21:58] <gaurdro> how did you install flash?
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[22:36] <j1> Hi, everybody (particulary Stroganoff), I've something stupid but potentially useful to tell: The default shortcut key for the "popup menu" (Applications menu) in xfce is ctrl-esc. It didn't work for me, except in some rare occasions. I've been suffering from that for moths. Now I discovered the trick: the esc key has to be pressed in a very short flash on my laptop (toshiba A50), otherwise it repeats the esc, and hides the menu so 
[22:37] <Stroganoff> lol
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> besides /etc/init.d/networking restart, dhclient, and ifconfig, what toys do I have to get my roaming mode wired connection to work when I plug the cable after logging in Xubuntu?
[22:38] <TheSheep> !wifi
[22:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> ?
[22:38] <TheSheep> ah, sorry, misread
[22:38] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: networt-manager
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[22:39] <crimsun> network, of course
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> crimsun: through the applet?
[22:39] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: sure.
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> tried manual configuration > dhcp... do the 3 fields below that need to be filled accordingly?
[22:43] <Stroganoff> yeah "slim" eats the double amount of ram as xdm does
[22:43] <Stroganoff> but xdm is broken in hardy
[22:44] <Stroganoff> crap
[22:48] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: you shouldn't use manual configuration if you want "roaming" for wired.
[22:48] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: (it's akin to setting the ifaces through /etc/network/interfaces, which disables network-manager's handling of those ifaces)
[22:49] <PsynoKhi0> crimsun: probably not... however roaming mode isn't very cooperative if I plug in the network cable once logged in xubuntu
[22:49] <PsynoKhi0> I get no IP address
[22:50] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: hmm, that hasn't been my experience.  If you tail -F /var/log/daemon.log, do you see dhclient at work for that iface?
[22:51] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: check your dhcp server's logs
[22:54] <PsynoKhi0> brb
[23:21] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, add -devel to your autojoin ;]
[23:22] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: i don't have an autojoin
[23:22] <maxamillion> just not used to typing -devel
[23:22] <cody-somerville> :)
[23:23] <theron> 1st time using the alternate installer, I'm trying to install on a system built around http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex10000eg and the harddrive is a serial ATA notebook drive.  It's not detecting what HD I'm using, any guesses?
[23:23] <theron> I've no idea where to even start looking for that.
[23:24] <maxamillion> theron: that's odd ... sata normally has no problems being detected
[23:26] <oliver_g_> hi again
[23:26] <oliver_g_> anyone seen Stroganoff around?
[23:26] <cody-somerville> He left 30 minutes ago.
[23:26] <zoredache> I saw him last at about 50 minutes ago in thsi channel
[23:27] <oliver_g_> pity
[23:27] <oliver_g_> I have finally got a minimal Gutsy system set up on an SD card for the eee pc
[23:28] <oliver_g_> guess I will try his icebuntu scripts according to the readme :-)
[23:29] <theron> maxamillion:  so I'm stuck atm the regular install fails to start X in any fashion on this system, and the alternate installer fails to detect the HD.
[23:30] <maxamillion> interesting
[23:33] <PsynoKhi0> back... ok now on the cuplrit laptop
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> without cable plugged in during boot: nothing in tail -F /var/log/daemon.log about the dhclient
[23:35] <PsynoKhi0> with cable plugged in: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 yadayada
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: what kind of stuff should I look for in the dhcp logs? (dhcp.leases, right?)
[23:43] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: first check if the server get the request, then check if it sends a response
[23:43] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: then make sure the response is accepted
[23:43] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: you can make sure it's your computer by checking the MAC address
[23:44] <quittt> hello
[23:44] <quittt> do you know what can I do to make my Xubuntu lighter?
[23:44] <TheSheep> quittt: what is the problem exactly?
[23:45] <quittt> sometimes my system slowssss down
[23:45] <quittt> I have 128 RAM
[23:45] <Twilt> Hi
[23:45] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: what are you trying to run whe it slows down?
[23:46] <quittt> SeaMonkey, for example
[23:46] <TheSheep> quittt: I'd start with disbling the services you don't use
[23:46] <quittt> actually, Windows is faster than Ubuntu
[23:46] <Twilt> WHAT!!!
[23:46] <quittt> and how do I see it?
[23:46] <TheSheep> quittt: system->services
[23:46] <Twilt> xp is slow
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: how big is your swap?
[23:46] <TheSheep> quittt: you can have more detailed view y=uisng the boot up manager
[23:46] <Twilt> ...but i still use it sometimes
[23:47] <TheSheep> !boot
[23:47] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[23:47] <quittt> PsynoKhi0: about 350 megabytes
[23:51] <quittt> it is very annoying =/
[23:51] <PsynoKhi0> you could try an even lighter windows manager :) I used iceWM before upgrading my RAM... but even so stuff like OpenOffice just wasn't all that fast to load up and use
[23:51] <quittt> iceWM
[23:51] <quittt> argh
[23:51] <PsynoKhi0> some apps jsut won't feel that responsive with 128MB
[23:51] <quittt> I tried to use it
[23:52] <PsynoKhi0> or enlightenment
[23:52] <PsynoKhi0> fluxbox...
[23:53] <quittt> argh
[23:53] <quittt> fluxbox is light
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[23:53] <quittt> but is not a desktop
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: uh btw what are the dhcp logs called?
[23:54] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: no idea, I have them in /var/log/everything anyways ;)
[23:54] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: but that's custom
[23:54] <quittt> I've installed Bum
[23:54] <PsynoKhi0> eeeeeeh
[23:54] <quittt> running it
[23:56] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: and enlightenment?
[23:56] <quittt> Bum takes a long time to open, doesn't it?
[23:57] <quittt> sudo sum
[23:57] <quittt> sudo bum