| [00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #213669 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] Caps Lock causes keys to repeat" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213669 | |
| [02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #213617 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-14-generic None failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 149836)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213617 | |
| [02:29] <ubotu> New bug: #213700 in xorg-server (main) "X.org + compiz crashes on nautilus file drag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213700 | |
| [04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #213734 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "firefox-3.0 scrolls jerkily with ATI driver, EXA and compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213734 | |
| [04:37] <ubotu> New bug: #200429 in mesa-utils "XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200429 | |
| [05:09] <bryce> I've written up this section on troubleshooting missing keyboard mappings in X: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting#head-1125c10247cf42e51d6329403e00d89af20fad32 | |
| [05:10] <bryce> however I'm still a bit sketchy on the whole thing, and the docs may be incorrect. I'd greatly appreciate review/critique feedback to make it more correct. | |
| [08:20] <Ng> bryce: do you happen to know how acpi_fakekey sends events? I've been trying to get the ThinkVantage key on my thinkpad going. acpid calls the script which runs fakekey, but things like xev see no event | |
| [08:21] <bryce> Ng, sadly, everything I know at this point about key mapping is listed in that above link | |
| [08:22] <Ng> ok, I'll have a read anyway :) | |
| [08:22] <bryce> I guess you'd look at what acpi_fakekey does to fake keys. | |
| [08:22] <Ng> it seems to open the first /dev/input event device it can find and write to that | |
| [08:23] <bryce> unfortunately the post from mjg59 that mentioned acpi-based keys just said "send me info about this and we'll get it fixed" without details of *how* they get fixed | |
| [08:23] <Ng> I thought that was where the problem was because event0 is my trackpoint, but hardcoding it to the keyboard device didn't seem to make any difference | |
| [08:23] <Ng> I could try and badger matt :) | |
| [08:23] <bryce> have you spoken with matthew about it? | |
| [08:23] <bryce> heh yeah | |
| [08:23] <bryce> see if you can get a good detailed description of the troubleshooting approach, so we can feed it into that link for when we run into this in the future | |
| [08:24] <Ng> not yet unfortunately, I've had bigger fish to fry | |
| [08:24] <Ng> getting suspend and audio working won out over a little button ;) | |
| [08:24] <bryce> hehe | |
| [08:25] <Ng> I don't even need it, I used to use it to lock the screen, but my new laptop has a Fn key combination for that. it's just the principle of the thing at this point ;) | |
| [08:27] <pwnguin> bryce: about that keymapping thing | |
| [08:27] <pwnguin> is a tty console nessecary? | |
| [08:28] <pwnguin> i guess not | |
| [08:28] <pwnguin> ive done hotkey in the past, but sorta petered out about what to do from there =/ | |
| [08:29] <bryce> pwnguin: dunno; several pages I read were adamant about that | |
| [08:30] <pwnguin> i wonder if maybe its because a tty means you wont get keyboard events from a local keyboard | |
| [08:32] <pwnguin> oh my | |
| [08:32] <pwnguin> someone fixed one of my tablet buttons | |
| [08:50] <bryce> tjaalton: any reasons why not to commit the patch on bug 184651? | |
| [08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #205821 in moblin-applets (universe) "[Hardy+PPA]:Network manager icon is blank on statusbar and it shows "Network manager is not running" when click the blank icon though internet connection is good (dup-of: 199486)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205821 | |
| [08:53] <tjaalton> bryce: no, and I actually have it on my tree | |
| [08:53] <bryce> ok cool | |
| [08:54] <tjaalton> should start pushing stuff later today | |
| [08:54] <bryce> (I was just reviewing http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_current.html and noticed it) | |
| [08:54] <bryce> heh, clicking back through <prev> on that shows that things are definitely getting better | |
| [08:55] <tjaalton> wow, history :) | |
| [08:56] * bryce resists graphing | |
| [08:58] <pwnguin> so total xorg bugs is total active bugs | |
| [08:58] <tjaalton> there's probably something missing since the packagebugs page shows 1512 bugs (or is it lp search lying again) | |
| [08:58] <tjaalton> pwnguin: yes, pick any ;) | |
| [08:58] <pwnguin> heh | |
| [08:59] <tjaalton> it has gone down from 1800+ since early December | |
| [08:59] <bryce> yeah, it may be that lp is lying | |
| [08:59] <pwnguin> and has gone nowhere since bryce started keeping that history ;) | |
| [08:59] <james_w> hey bryce | |
| [08:59] <bryce> heya | |
| [08:59] <james_w> did you get any time to look at the patches? | |
| [09:00] <tjaalton> well I've been catching up with real work so no time to do bug triage :) | |
| [09:00] <bryce> james_w: nope, keyboard stuff consumed all my time | |
| [09:00] <james_w> no problem, just didn't want to repeat any work. | |
| [09:00] * bryce nods | |
| [09:00] <james_w> I've got an SRU I should get done today, but then I should be able to spend all my time on them. | |
| [09:00] * bryce nods | |
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| [10:52] <ubotu> New bug: #46904 in xkeyboard-config (main) "several keyboard layouts are listed several times" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46904 | |
| [11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #213856 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Windows and desktops flicker and flash black with Compiz enabled with the Intel video driver (945GM)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213856 | |
| === seb128_ is now known as seb128 | |
| [12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #204736 in mesa-utils "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204736 | |
| [12:28] <ubotu> New bug: #134466 in ubuntu "ipw3945d causing computer to stutter (dup-of: 48395)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134466 | |
| [12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #213891 in xorg (main) "Xorg crashes when I visit a page in Mozilla Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213891 | |
| [16:56] <james_w> seb128: hi, the current libgnome-desktop in the archive has "#error This is not for general consumption yet." in the xrandr stuff, was this intentional? | |
| [16:56] <james_w> I can't compile against it currently. | |
| [16:56] <seb128> james_w: what do you mean? | |
| [16:57] <seb128> compile what? | |
| [16:57] <james_w> the xrandr patches in -desktop currently have | |
| [16:57] <james_w> +#ifndef I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE_AND_ONLY_IN_FEDORA | |
| [16:57] <james_w> +#error This is not for general consumption yet. | |
| [16:57] <james_w> +#endif | |
| [16:57] <seb128> right | |
| [16:58] <seb128> the API is not public and not meant to be used | |
| [16:58] <james_w> so I now try and g-c-c against them without defining that, as bryce's instructions say, and it obviously fails. | |
| [16:58] <seb128> ok | |
| [16:58] <james_w> so do we want to keep that in all of them, or strip it out of all of them? | |
| [16:58] <seb128> so I did use the patch from redhat because I didn't know bryce did cleaning there | |
| [16:58] <seb128> I mean I used to stack patch | |
| [16:59] <seb128> since he put other ubuntu changes to different patches I though he did that for all the ubuntu changes | |
| [16:59] <james_w> ah, ok. | |
| [16:59] <seb128> so fix it the way you think it's better | |
| [16:59] <seb128> but don't make it public | |
| [16:59] <seb128> either use this define | |
| [16:59] <seb128> or rename it to use FEDORA_AND_UBUNTU or something | |
| [17:00] <james_w> I'll just keep it as it is I guess, and keep the define in g-c-c | |
| [17:00] <seb128> alright | |
| [17:00] <seb128> did bryce just dropped it before? | |
| [17:04] <james_w> yeah, there's a patch in his bzr repo to remove these defines. | |
| [17:07] <seb128> ok | |
| [17:07] <seb128> I think that's wrong to make the api public | |
| [17:28] <james_w> the updated patch seems to work, but is says "Cloned output" for my single screen, I'll look in to that. | |
| [17:29] <james_w> hmm, "<property name="label" translatable="yes">Mirror Screens (the clone wars)</property>" | |
| [17:29] <james_w> I guess we want to change that? | |
| [17:36] <seb128> remove the "(the clone wars)" I guess yes ;-) | |
| [17:37] <seb128> james_w: could you also include the change on bug #213134 while you are working on the update? | |
| [17:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213134 in gnome-control-center "Untranslated strings in Monitor Resolution Settings window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213134 | |
| [17:37] <seb128> james_w: also better to get the updated patch as soon as possible and look at small issues later so the strings can be imported in launchpad and translated | |
| [17:38] <seb128> we can still do an another upload to fix issues | |
| [17:38] <seb128> the g-c-c part is only a capplet so it'll not make system unusable | |
| [17:39] <james_w> sure, it looks ok to me in a quick test apart from the naming issue, and that looks like it is -desktop anyway. | |
| [17:40] <seb128> naming? | |
| [17:40] <james_w> calling my screen a "Cloned output" | |
| [17:42] <seb128> ah | |
| [17:59] <ted1> bryce: So I was playing with OSX... (how to start a conversation with people already scared) | |
| [18:00] <ted1> When you close the lid on your computer with an external monitor plugged in, it switches off the laptop panel and goes exclusively to the external display. | |
| [18:00] <ted1> Would it be possible to do something like that with the XRandR stuff? | |
| [18:01] <jcristau> it is, if you get acpi or key events when you close the lid | |
| [18:04] <ted1> Well, we can emit a DBUS signal, which would probably be more reliable. | |
| [18:04] <ted1> Let GPM handle all the other stuff. | |
| [18:06] <bryce> morning | |
| [18:07] * ted1 is going to let bryce get coffee before harassing him more :) | |
| [18:07] <bryce> james_w: have you gotten to gnome-desktop yet? if not, I'll work on that today | |
| [18:08] <james_w> bryce: no, I haven't | |
| [18:08] <james_w> http://jameswestby.net/scratch/g-c-c.diff is the g-c-c one | |
| [18:08] <james_w> if you have a moment can you tell me whether I am looking in the right place for the "Cloned Screen" problem? | |
| [18:09] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6627/ | |
| [18:10] <james_w> line 22 looks like it should be "if", not "else if" to me. | |
| [18:10] <james_w> as clone_width is initialised to -1 at the start of the function. | |
| [18:12] <bryce> hmm | |
| [18:12] <bryce> are you running into a bug because of this? | |
| [18:12] <james_w> the capplet shows "Cloned Output" for my single screen, which seems wrong. | |
| [18:13] <bryce> ok, fwiw, that "clone wars" line has been there since the earliest days of the dialog - it was part of the mockup iirc | |
| [18:13] <bryce> however until recently the underlying handling code wasn't implemented | |
| [18:13] <bryce> so in the previous version I just stripped out the checkbox | |
| [18:13] <bryce> however I understand the clone stuff is implemented, so maybe the checkbox works now | |
| [18:13] <james_w> ah, ok. I still don't see the checkbox | |
| [18:14] <james_w> I assumed that was because I only have a single screen, but maybe I need to update a patch | |
| [18:15] <bryce> in any case I think the "(the clone wars)" bit needs to be removed ;-) | |
| [18:15] <james_w> I don't see it being stripped out in any of the patches. | |
| [18:15] <james_w> I made it "Clone Screens", what do you think? | |
| [18:16] <bryce> probably ok | |
| [18:16] <bryce> our usability guy suggested something different, I'll see if I can find it | |
| [18:17] <james_w> mirror made it sound like you would get a mirror image on one to me | |
| [18:17] <bryce> >> * Is there an alternative wording for "Mirror another screen" that | |
| [18:17] <bryce> >> doesn't imply reflection? | |
| [18:17] <bryce> > | |
| [18:17] <bryce> > 'Clone' is the official term. I used 'mirror' since that has been used | |
| [18:17] <bryce> > in one of the displayconfig-gtk mockups. | |
| [18:17] <bryce> Perhaps "Copy of". | |
| [18:18] <bryce> I think I like "Clone" better than "Copy" but either's probably better than mirror | |
| [18:18] <james_w> yep | |
| [18:19] <bryce> oh here's a more recent suggestion from him, I hadn't implemented yet... | |
| [18:19] <bryce> Button labels should always use Initial Capitals. :-) Nice work otherwise. | |
| [18:19] <bryce> Cheers | |
| [18:21] <bryce> ted1: you could probably make the xrandr calls from the power manager to make that happen | |
| [18:23] <ted1> bryce: But, it's not crazy? | |
| [18:23] <bryce> a little crazy | |
| [18:23] <bryce> but not too much | |
| [18:23] <ted1> Hmph. | |
| [18:24] <ted1> So how do I know which display is the laptop LCD and which one is external? | |
| [18:24] <bryce> it'll result in weird stuff like gnome panels getting jumbled up, random crashes, weird interactions with sleep modes/Xv/Compiz, and so on, but those are par for the course | |
| [18:25] <jcristau> ted1: you probably don't know, but you can guess | |
| [18:25] <ted1> I work on the desktop team, we assume that X is perfect :) | |
| [18:25] <jcristau> haha | |
| [18:25] <bryce> it seems the standard way is to look for something named "*LVDS*" | |
| [18:26] <bryce> or, /LVDS/i | |
| [18:27] <ted1> I guess, it would seem unlikely that someone would use LVDS externally. | |
| [18:28] <ted1> But are there panels that internally don't use LVDS? | |
| [18:28] <bryce> not afaik | |
| [18:28] <jcristau> ted1: the naming comes from the X driver | |
| [18:28] <ted1> Oh, so it's not really describing the hardware, more the driver port. | |
| [18:31] <ted1> Okay, I'm going to think about this more, but I think it's something I'd like to figure out for Ibex. | |
| [18:32] <ted1> Thanks for the info. | |
| [18:35] <bryce> ted1: I'd suggest making it opt-in for Intrepid, since xrandr is still fairly unstable on some hardware. once there's been sufficient testing it could be switched on by default by intrepid+1. | |
| [18:36] <bryce> ted1: or if you really want to flip it on by default, do it only for intel gfx hardware; that one is furthest along and has the fewest remaining issues | |
| [18:36] <jcristau> there are issues with radeon randr? | |
| [18:40] <jcristau> i haven't really followed that, as my laptop is intel :) | |
| [18:48] <bryce> jcristau: I consistently get lockups when rotating. Also some minor issues switching resolutions | |
| [18:49] <jcristau> too bad | |
| [19:08] <tjaalton> <jawdrop> "VIA Joins The Open Driver Bandwagon" | |
| [19:08] <tjaalton> about time | |
| [19:12] <mvo> bryce: when we talked about bug #213566 you mentioned that there are no maintainer scripts involved, but it seems the xkb-data.preinst is doing some stuff at least to those links | |
| [19:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566 | |
| [19:21] <bryce> tjaalton: heh, link? | |
| [19:22] <bryce> BenC and I have been talking with them privately and encouraging them to open everything; good to see they have done so officially | |
| [19:23] <tjaalton> bryce: it was mentioned on phoronix (where else) | |
| [19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #214092 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Suspend to RAM fails in second resume cycle for Hardy, fglrx, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214092 | |
| [19:38] * mvo is currently pretty lost with that bug | |
| [19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #214105 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Freeze with ati driver during boot on 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214105 | |
| [19:46] <bryce> tjaalton: hrm, I've been pushing them to get in contact with the openchrome community. Too bad there's no mention of that there. | |
| [19:47] <bryce> but I guess it's still early | |
| [19:58] <tjaalton> or they want to start from scratch :) | |
| [19:58] <tjaalton> YAVD | |
| [20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #214119 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "[HARDY] Koolu W.E. (ION A603) does not detect higher resolution than 800x600" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214119 | |
| [21:00] <Q-FUNK> guys, any objection remaining to sync'ing geode from debian? | |
| [21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #214165 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] After upgrade today can't detect screen size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214165 | |
| [21:27] <ubotu> New bug: #214168 in xorg (main) "video acceleration broken with .810 driver in Hardy Beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214168 | |
| [22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #214201 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-new upgrade bug (gutsy -> hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214201 | |
| [22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #214205 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "upgrade of xserver-xorg-core conficts (gutsy to hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214205 | |
| [23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #214241 in xorg-server (main) "package xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214241 | |
| [23:02] <ubotu> New bug: #214239 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "package nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.10 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214239 | |
| [23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #214252 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[Hardy] Synaptics touchpad vertical scroll (middle button) not working as expected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214252 | |
| [23:32] <tjaalton> bryce: tomorrow I'll upload the pending stuff I have been sitting on.. should have time during the day | |
| [23:32] <bryce> ok | |
| [23:34] <tjaalton> needed to push vdr first.. anyway, night -> | |
| [23:54] <ubotu> New bug: #214270 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "AWN Avant Window Navigator icons corrupted with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.2.1-1ubuntu11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214270 | |