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[02:52] <ember> asac there? |
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[07:12] <dholbach> good morning |
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[07:23] <crevette> hello |
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[07:37] <crevette> hey seb128 |
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[07:37] <seb128> lut crevette |
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[07:37] <crevette> seb128 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/207508 ; I would tend to lose it as Invalid and say to use the session manager |
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[07:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207508 in empathy "no way to stop empathy startup with session" [Undecided,New] |
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[07:38] <seb128> crevette: right |
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[07:38] <crevette> =okay |
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[07:38] <crevette> thanks |
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[09:07] <huats> morning evryone |
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[09:08] <seb128_> hey huats |
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[09:08] <lmanul> Morning everyone! |
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[09:15] <huats> lut seb128 |
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[09:46] <seb128_> ok |
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[09:46] <seb128_> I'm going to do a totem-plugins-extra |
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[09:46] <seb128_> which will not be on the cd |
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[09:47] <seb128_> and contain the mythtv, lirc and gromit plugins |
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[09:47] <seb128_> anybody has an objection to the change? |
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[10:23] <MacSlow> kwwii, the new tooltip-icons look good sofar |
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[10:25] <seb128_> hey MacSlow |
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[10:25] <MacSlow> seb128_, salut |
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[10:25] <pochu> hi all |
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[10:26] <crevette> guen morgen |
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[10:26] <seb128_> MacSlow: do you intend to look at all the desktop effects tab bugs assigned to you for months before hardy? |
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[10:26] <crevette> guten |
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[10:27] <MacSlow> seb128_, atm I'm putting the last touches on profiles and shortcuts... keybuk wants me to work on the face-browser right after that and skip bug-squashing this cycle |
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[10:28] <MacSlow> seb128_, if you want to change my schedule persuade him... not me :) |
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[10:28] <kwwii> MacSlow: cool :-) |
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[10:41] * kwwii heads out for a longer lunch |
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[11:50] <lapo> ciao |
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[14:39] <vuntz> seb128: my preferred packager |
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[14:39] <seb128> hey vuntz ;-) |
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[14:39] <vuntz> seb128: question from a packager point of view |
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[14:39] <vuntz> (for a panel patch) |
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[14:39] <vuntz> for the new gnome-session, we need to install gnome-panel.desktop in /usr/share/applications and in another directory |
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[14:40] <vuntz> would packagers be happy with a symlink? |
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[14:40] <vuntz> or is it better to have the same file twice? |
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[14:40] <seb128> what other directory? |
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[14:41] <vuntz> /usr/share/gnome-session/default or something like this |
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[14:41] <seb128> I guess a symlink is alright in any case |
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[14:41] <vuntz> ok |
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[14:41] <vuntz> I thought it could cause some problems, but if it's fine, good :-) |
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[14:42] <seb128> vuntz: btw I'm not sure I understood what will be responsive to store applications coordinates, workspaces, etc |
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[14:42] <seb128> vuntz: symlinks are usually no issue |
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[14:42] <vuntz> it should be the apps |
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[14:42] <vuntz> (via gtk+) |
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[14:42] <seb128> they can go cross mounts, etc |
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[14:42] <seb128> vuntz: any reason it can't be done on the wm side? |
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[14:43] <vuntz> seb128: because it's a horrible hack? :-) |
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[14:43] <vuntz> what happens if you change the wm? |
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[14:43] <seb128> I don't like the idea to force every application to do the same things |
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[14:44] <seb128> well, yours mean that you will never have non gtk applications behave correctly |
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[14:44] <seb128> users don't change wm |
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[14:44] <seb128> and if they do they can redo placement |
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[14:44] <vuntz> seb128: fd.o spec, etc. |
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[14:44] <vuntz> there's clearly work to do to have this correctly work, though |
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[14:45] <seb128> you will never have 10 years old applications to follow fd.org spec |
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[14:45] <seb128> it would be so much easier to let the wm do the work |
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[14:45] <seb128> change one thing |
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[14:45] <seb128> rather than patching every cycle application in the world to use the same api |
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[14:46] <seb128> s/cycle/single |
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[14:46] <seb128> well, if you think that's the way to go |
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[14:46] <seb128> but I've some doubt on the fact that we will have something working correctly any time soon if every application need to be modified to work |
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[14:47] <vuntz> seb128: the wm way can only be hacky, so it's not good in the long-term |
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[14:48] <seb128> yours is not good either |
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[14:48] <seb128> the only solid way is to never shutdown |
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[14:48] <seb128> always use suspend to ram or disk and reload from that |
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[14:49] <seb128> and don't crash |
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[14:51] <seb128> I just don't think that having complex logic in applications to store the placement will scale |
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[14:51] <seb128> it means complicate code, bugs, extra work, etc |
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[14:53] <vuntz> seb128: why? |
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[14:54] <seb128> why what? |
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[14:54] <vuntz> why would it be more complex? |
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[14:54] * vuntz thinks seb128 should be able to read his mind instead ;-) |
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[14:54] <seb128> because you have to use this api |
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[14:54] <seb128> which is higher complexity than do nothing and let the wm do the work |
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[14:54] <vuntz> seb128: no. It would just work: gtk_application_new("myname") and that's all |
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[14:55] <seb128> that should be part of gtk_init() then ;-) |
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[14:55] <seb128> well, that means you transform gtk to a window manager |
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[14:55] <seb128> it has to know on what screen, viewport, positions, etc the dialog is now |
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[14:56] <seb128> where the wm already has all those informations |
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[15:42] <pochu> asac: thanks for the liferea fix :) |
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[15:43] <asac> np :) |
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[15:44] <asac> but see how botty i am ... i even forgot which function call i added 10 seconds after editing the xul patch :) ... its GTKEmbedGlueStartupInternal() not GREStartGlueInternal |
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[15:46] <asac> s/botty/buggy/ |
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[16:44] <pitti> seb128: doing MacSlow's libwnck sponsoring now |
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[16:48] <seb128> pitti: danke |
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[16:49] <pitti> MacSlow: hm, I don't notice any difference (new libwnck), but at least my panel still works :) where are the missing icons? |
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[16:50] <seb128> pitti: workspace switcher tooltip I guess |
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[16:50] <pitti> looks exactly the same to me |
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[16:50] <seb128> pitti: if you use compiz |
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[16:51] <pitti> ah |
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[16:51] <seb128> do you use compiz? |
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[16:51] <pitti> desktop == metacity |
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[16:51] <pitti> on the laptop, yes, but it's off ATM |
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[16:51] <seb128> under compiz you have extra actions there |
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[16:51] <seb128> the scale and expo ones |
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[16:51] <pitti> actually I switched my desktop back to metacity because compiz' session management is broken |
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[16:52] <pitti> but now that metacity's session management regressed to a comparable dysfunctionality, it doesn't actually matter any more... |
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[16:52] * pitti sighs |
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[16:52] <nxvl> seb128: i have notice some problem when i don't use compiz |
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[16:52] <pitti> (that's not what I meant with "compiz' session management shuold be as good as metacity's") |
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[16:53] <nxvl> seb128: for example if i click on a link on evolution, firefox goes to the desktop where evolution is, instead of open it in the one it is opened |
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[16:53] <seb128> nxvl: that's a known issue |
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[16:55] <nxvl> seb128: and that's a bug on firefox or in metacity/compiz? |
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[16:56] <seb128> not sure |
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[16:56] <seb128> I think the firefox guys blame the wm |
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[16:56] <walters> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482354 |
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[16:56] <ubotu> Gnome bug 482354 in general "gtk_window_present() causes full applications to move workspaces" [Normal,New] |
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[16:56] <walters> i have the fedora metacity patched |
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[16:58] <seb128> elijah wrote that the hack is not a nice one |
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[16:59] <walters> virtual desktops themselves are a gigantic hack |
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[16:59] <seb128> did you change it to special case firefox? |
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[16:59] <walters> no |
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[16:59] <walters> they didn't suggest a way to do that |
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[16:59] <walters> i suppose i could look at the kwin code |
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[16:59] <seb128> I'm just wondering why it's going to break |
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[16:59] <seb128> according to elijah it's going to break things |
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[16:59] <walters> i wouldn't say it "breaks" anything |
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[17:00] <seb128> which is not really useful comment |
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[17:00] <walters> it changes the behavior of some cases |
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[17:09] <MacSlow> pitti, do you have compiz running and enabled expo- and scale-plugins? |
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[17:09] <MacSlow> pitti, if not you'll not see anything :) |
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[17:10] <pitti> right |
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[17:10] <MacSlow> pitti, have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/tooltips.png |
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[17:11] <MacSlow> pitti, there used to be zoom too... but since that is usually only triggered via a mouse-binding (and those are not exposable via gtk-accelerators) I skipped it. |
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[17:17] <Amaranth> seb128: that's not nice to do (that patch) |
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[17:17] <seb128> Amaranth: what patch? |
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[17:17] <Amaranth> the metacity one |
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[17:17] <seb128> ah |
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[17:17] <seb128> why? |
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[17:18] <Amaranth> if you read the whole bug you see there are several distinct use cases here |
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[17:18] <seb128> MacSlow, (pitti since you do sponsoring): did you talk to ted btw? he's working on moving those items to the context menu rather than the tooltip as decided some time ago |
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[17:18] <Amaranth> sometimes you want it to move, sometimes you want to move to it, sometimes you want it to flash in the taskbar |
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[17:19] <Amaranth> the spec needs to be updated to include a hint windows can set |
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[17:20] <seb128> Amaranth: right, I think everybody agrees on that |
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[17:21] <seb128> Amaranth: but meanwhile firefox looks broken and we want to get that fixed this cycle |
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[17:21] <Amaranth> i will have no part in 'fixing' this for compiz |
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[17:22] <Amaranth> you're breaking my uses to fix firefox |
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[17:23] <seb128> Amaranth: well, the upstream bug mentions special casing firefox |
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[18:03] <kagou> hi |
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[20:30] <calc> anyone around here that knows about mime types? |
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[20:30] <calc> i need help asap |
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[20:31] <calc> i have to update the mime types in OOo but i don't know what to run against example files to generate the official mimetype name to use in /usr/lib/mime and /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop MimeType= |
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[20:41] <Amaranth> calc: gvfs-info foo.odt | grep content |
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[20:44] <calc> also found the mimetype program :) |
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[20:44] <calc> Amaranth: thanks |
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