| [07:08] <dholbach> good morning | |
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| [10:35] <probon1> hi all, i'm trying to make an image, but i keep getting errors that HAL is not configured | |
| [10:35] <probon1> is there a known bug? | |
| [10:35] <probon1> this is on hardy | |
| [10:36] <probon1> using the moblin image creator, mccaslin-lpia platform, ubuntu-mobile target | |
| [10:45] <probon1> Setting up hal (0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu1) ... | |
| [10:45] <probon1> polkit-auth: This operation requires the system message bus and ConsoleKit to be running | |
| [12:24] <lool> probono: Curious | |
| [12:24] <lool> probono: Could you please file a bug against MIC on launchpad? | |
| [12:24] <lool> It should work | |
| [12:36] <dns53> has anyone tried to install ubuntu-mobile hardy on an eeepc? | |
| [12:57] <probono> lool: i need to experiment more | |
| [12:57] <probono> lool: using the deb from moblin.org, i don't get this problem | |
| [12:58] <lool> probono: What MIC are you using? | |
| [12:58] <probono> is there any way to get full hardware support (as in the Ubuntu live CD) into a moblin image? | |
| [12:58] <lool> Hmm I'd rather approach your goal the other way around: start from a live CD and add -mobile bits | |
| [12:58] <probono> lool: at my 1st attempt, i used the one from hardy. now i'm using the one from moblin.org, on gutsy - this works (created a live usb image) | |
| [12:59] <probono> now when i boot into that, my mouse doesn't work | |
| [12:59] <lool> You're running the moblin MIC package on gutsy targetting hardy? | |
| [12:59] <probono> yes, basically | |
| [12:59] <probono> works w/o errors | |
| [12:59] <lool> That's known not to work then; the problem is between the system dbus of gutsy and the hardy packages installed in the chroot | |
| [12:59] <lool> probono: Run hardy on your host | |
| [13:00] <probono> lool: now i'm getting confused | |
| [13:00] <probono> using hardy as a host, using hardy's mic did *not* work | |
| [13:00] <probono> using gutsy as a host, using moblin.org mic, *did* work | |
| [13:00] <lool> probono: Were you creating hardy based images? | |
| [13:01] <probono> i'm not sure about that, acutally | |
| [13:01] <probono> as i said, i'm new to this | |
| [13:01] <lool> probono: Make sure you wipe your ~/.image-creator and projects between your trials | |
| [13:01] <lool> probono: That's fine, don't worry | |
| [13:01] <probono> also, platforms ilke "mccaslin-lpia" are not exactly self-evident | |
| [13:01] <lool> probono: Oh come on, it means mccalsin on lpia ;) | |
| [13:01] <probono> isn't there a platform "pc "? | |
| [13:01] <probono> that equals the hardware that a ubuntu live cd assumes? | |
| [13:02] <lool> probono: No, McCaslin is an Intel platform; just like Menlow | |
| [13:02] <lool> probono: You can try running these kernels, but they might not work | |
| [13:02] <probono> i have i945 machines, can't that work? | |
| [13:02] <lool> If you want generic support, you should add generic kernels | |
| [13:02] <probono> i915 also | |
| [13:02] <dns53> what platform works with an eeepc, or should i install ubuntu and the meta package? | |
| [13:02] <lool> Well we're not targetting anything else than mccaslin and menlow ATM | |
| [13:02] <probono> dns53: welcome to the club :-) | |
| [13:02] <lool> Not PCs, not EeePC | |
| [13:03] <probono> dns53: i'm in the same boat | |
| [13:03] <lool> But you're welcome to try running the software | |
| [13:03] <probono> dns53: we should start a pc/eeepc target | |
| [13:03] <probono> lool: yes. it does run, only it doesn't see my mouse (synaptics touchpad) | |
| [13:03] <dns53> well what are the differences in cpu architecture? | |
| [13:03] <probono> which is why i was asking how i can enable full ubuntu standard live cd hardware support | |
| [13:04] <lool> probono: Ubuntu Mobile is currently aimed at touchscreens | |
| [13:04] <probono> lool: i understand that, but i'm lacking the hardware | |
| [13:04] <lool> It's preconfigured for some hardware platforms such as the Q1 Ultra | |
| [13:04] <probono> would like to get my development started w/o buying prerelease hardware | |
| [13:04] <lool> probono: At this point, you're "on your own" :-/ You will have to revisit things like the missing packages or change the Xorg config | |
| [13:05] <lool> We're not trying to support all hardware in a generic fashion at the moment | |
| [13:05] <lool> probono: You should be able to run apps in Xephyr though and installing standard Ubuntu packages will simply work | |
| [13:05] <probono> lool: would it be hard? (i imagine it would basically involve a set of drivers packages) | |
| [13:05] <lool> probono: If you're large on disk, simply install a regular Ubuntu and add the mobile packages | |
| [13:05] <dns53> well the ubuntu-mobile works on gutsy when you add the missing package | |
| [13:06] <probono> dns53: how would i do that? is there a wiki page on that? | |
| [13:06] <probono> i'd also want my ubuntu to boot directly into mobile, not into gnome | |
| [13:06] * probono loves the usb-image-generator though | |
| [13:07] <probono> come on, q1 is >1000 EUR | |
| [13:07] <dns53> well just install ubuntu (eeexubuntu in my case) then install ubuntu-mobile, there was a package missing from the dependencies i can't remember what it was m something | |
| [13:08] <probono> dns53: my actual goal would be to have a live cd/usb | |
| [13:09] <dns53> sure, but you can atleast get something working the normal ubuntu way. i did test the image-creator but no targets worked | |
| [13:09] <probono> mccaslin-lpia works, i can see the start screen, just have no mouse | |
| [13:09] <probono> this is on a i945 machine | |
| [13:12] <probono> dns53: after i installed ubuntu-mobile, how do i launch it? | |
| [13:12] <probono> how do i replace gdm with it? | |
| [13:14] <dns53> it should appear as a desktop entry in gdm, you may need to write your own script to launch it yourself and remove gdm | |
| [13:15] <probono> ok, thanks | |
| [13:15] <probono> dns53: does a stock ubuntu live cd work with the eeepc? | |
| [13:16] <probono> uck (ubuntu customization kit) should allow one to remaster a live cd to include ubuntu-mobile, i guess | |
| [13:17] <dns53> well you need to do some hacks to get everything working fine, X has a wrong resolution, madwifi needs to be customised. there are some scripts to add these things to a gutsy install | |
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| [15:20] <pat_mcgowan> rustyl_, how do you tell moblin-media to switch between using gstreamer and helix | |
| [16:16] <rustyl_> pat_mcgowan, moblin-media will use the first media service it finds, and it finds the media service via the *.conf files in /usr/share/media-services/ | |
| [17:46] <pat_mcgowan> rustyl_, thanks for your earlier response | |
| [18:42] <cwong1> Does anyone out there know anything about how /usr/share/applications/default.list is being created? | |
| [18:51] <bfiller_> mjg59: trying to debug a problem on custom hardware with custom hotkeys. I'm using setkeycodes scancode keycode to map scancode to keycode. After doing so, still not getting keycode when using xev. Any ideas? | |
| [18:51] <bfiller_> mjg59: I noticed you have worked on hotkey-setup package and thought that might help.. | |
| [18:51] <mjg59> bfiller_: What keycode are you setting it to? | |
| [18:52] <bfiller_> mjg59: 97 | |
| [18:52] <mjg59> Hm. Ok, should be safe. | |
| [18:52] <mjg59> Does evtest show it turning up? | |
| [18:52] <bfiller_> mjg59: I haven't tried that | |
| [18:52] <mjg59> That'd be a good thing to try | |
| [18:52] <bfiller_> mjg59: will do, thanks. | |
| [18:53] <bfiller_> mjg59: also, what startup file should I put my "setkeycodes" command such that they are installed always? | |
| [18:53] <mjg59> Best would be to add to hotkey-setup | |
| [18:54] <bfiller_> mjg59: that can be used regardless of hardware? | |
| [19:10] <lool> cwong1: dpkg -S tells me it's shipped by desktop-file-utils: /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | |
| [19:11] <lool> cwong1: However, it's not checksummed; I'd guess it's updated subsequently when packages are installed; I would suppose update-desktop-database does so | |
| [19:13] <lool> cwong1: Please don't call it directly in your postinst and postrm though, but leave it to dh_desktop to add the magic | |
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| [19:42] <mjg59> bfiller_: Yeah, as long as there's dmi information from the platform | |
| [19:42] <mjg59> bfiller_: If not, we'd need to work out something else :) | |
| [20:30] <cwong1> lool: ping | |
| [20:36] <lool> cwong1: pong | |
| [20:36] <lool> cwong1: But do feel free to pack a question along with the ping to allow me to pong with the answer ;) | |
| [20:37] <cwong1> lool: desktop-file-utils is not in the fset in MIC. Should it be? | |
| [20:38] <lool> cwong1: I think we should use the fset concept as little as possible and instead rely on what the ubuntu-mobile package pulls for us; isn't it pulled by some other package? | |
| [20:38] <cwong1> lool: Not that I know of | |
| [20:39] <cwong1> lool: Also, the file default.list that get install when you do apt-get install desktop-file-utils doesn't really fit our mobile enviroment | |
| [20:43] <cwong1> lool: if desktop-file-utils is being pull in by an ubuntu-mobile package, would it be alright for one of our moblin package like home sreen to install it? | |
| [20:43] <lool> cwong1: What's the problem with it? | |
| [20:43] <cwong1> s/is/is not/ | |
| [20:44] <cwong1> lool: some of the mime type pointing to wrong app. | |
| [20:44] <lool> cwong1: Are they pointing to one of the installed apps or an unavailable one? | |
| [20:44] <cwong1> lool: for example html is pointing to firefox instead of the midbrowser, media file pointing to totem instead of moblin media player | |
| [20:45] <lool> cwong1: Theoritically, this file should be updated after the installation of desktop-file-utils as its postinst calls update-desktop-database | |
| [20:45] <lool> So the contents of the file should reflect the installed apps and what they declare supporting | |
| [20:45] <lool> If you see mismatches, I'd first start by fixing the list of installed apps or the .desktop files which have been installed | |
| [20:46] <lool> If that's not enough, we can look into overrides | |
| [20:46] <cwong1> lool: so what you are saying is that all packages should do a db_update_desktop during the install, right? | |
| [20:47] <cwong1> s/db_update/desktop/dh_desktop/ | |
| [20:47] <lool> cwong1: All packages should call dh_desktop during their *build* and this will make them call update-desktop-database after their installation and removal | |
| [20:47] <lool> cwong1: Well, all "desktop" related packages which ship .desktop files naturally | |
| [20:47] <lool> You don't need your kernel to call that obviously ;) | |
| [20:48] <cwong1> lool: if the default.list file is not there, will updaet-desktop-database create one for you? | |
| [20:48] <lool> cwong1: It should; look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst | |
| [20:48] <lool> Well don't look at that, grep it rather | |
| [20:49] <cwong1> ok. Thanks for the info. I will look into it further. | |
| [20:49] <lool> grep -l update-desktop-database /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst | |
| [20:49] <lool> cwong1: These are the snippets inserted by dh_desktop which will cause update-desktop-database -q to be run | |
| [20:59] <cwong1> lool: looks like if the file default.list is not there, update-desktop-database -q doesn't create one for you. Any idea? | |
| [21:01] <lool> cwong1: The file should be there as it's shipped by desktop-file-utils | |
| [21:01] <lool> cwong1: dpkg -L desktop-file-utils | grep defaults | |
| [21:03] <cwong1> lool: Yes if only you have install desktop-file-utils, but as I said before I don't think desktop-file-utils is part of the ubuntu-mobile image. Correct me if I am wrong. | |
| [21:04] <cwong1> cwong1: lool: at least if it is not part of the image being created by moblin's image creator | |
| [21:04] <cwong1> s/if// | |
| [21:12] <lool> cwong1: Checking | |
| [21:13] <cwong1> lool: k | |
| [21:13] <lool> cwong1: That's probably correct indeed | |
| [21:13] <lool> I only see ubuntu-desktop pulling it | |
| [21:13] <lool> cwong1: As a stop gap measure, add it to your fset | |
| [21:13] <lool> cwong1: The fix is in updating the ubuntu-mobile package | |
| [21:14] <cwong1> lool: ok. so someone from your side will fix this, right? | |
| [21:15] <lool> cwong1: Yes; you're welcome to file a bug | |
| [21:16] <cwong1> lool: ok.. Thanks. | |
| [21:16] <lool> against ubuntu-meta | |
| [21:27] <lool> cwong1: Will be fixed by next ubuntu-meta upload (committed in our tree) | |
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