2008/02/26/#edubuntu.txt

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[06:01] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, i bet you dont have gvfs-fuse installed
[06:01] <johnny> that is the difference prolly..
[07:40] <achandrashekar> Hey johnny
[07:43] <achandrashekar> johnny: do you have any time avaliable to answer some q's about desktop lock down
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[10:04] <coolio> iii
[10:05] <achandrashekar> hello...any one have any recommendations for thin clients?
[10:06] <achandrashekar> specifically how are the entc-1000
[10:11] <allerbest> Hi.
[10:11] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, entc-1000 ?
[10:12] <allerbest> I've got a problem installing edubuntu 7.10 on a brand-new server (should be LTSP server)
[10:12] <achandrashekar> i looked on ebay for the ent stuff
[10:12] <achandrashekar> and it seemed like a good alternative
[10:12] <achandrashekar> allerbest: need more description of issue
[10:12] <allerbest> Installation works fine until I should pick a module for my drives since the installer complains that none are found.
[10:13] <achandrashekar> which module?
[10:13] <allerbest> I've got 2x SATA drives on an Areca 1200 PCIe controller
[10:13] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, specs ?
[10:13] <allerbest> achandrashekar: it should be the arcmsr module, I think, but loading doesn't affect anything.
[10:13] <achandrashekar> allerbest: and it doesnt find your drives?
[10:14]  * ogra_cmpc wonders if that shouldnt just be covered by the ahci module
[10:14] <allerbest> the module is loaded but there are no /dev/sda...-devices
[10:15] <achandrashekar> ograc_cmpc: runs the cryix processor and 64mb of ram. I "think" its pxe bootable..but i was wondering if there was one that people are happy with in here
[10:15] <ogra_cmpc> allerbest, #ubuntu-installer or #ubuntu-kernel has the more specific guys for such a prob :)
[10:15] <allerbest> ah, thanks :)
[10:16] <achandrashekar> allerbest: and there is nothing in bios to make sure the drives are properly initialiazed and such??
[10:16] <achandrashekar> allerbest: meaning..with an other operating system everything was "found"
[10:17] <ogra_cmpc> well, you can likely switch the controller to a different mode in the bios
[10:17] <allerbest> achandrashekar: I initialized a "RAID set" and within that a RAID 1 "Volume Set"
[10:17] <allerbest> ogra_cmpc: Nope, it's a true hardware RAID controller
[10:17] <allerbest> achandrashekar: I have no other operating system (besides a Debian 4.0 CD)
[10:18] <allerbest> (which has the same problem)
[10:18] <ogra_cmpc> allerbest, well, probably one that doesnt offer linux support
[10:18] <ogra_cmpc> might be that software raid is your best bet
[10:18] <achandrashekar> allerbest: does debian find them?? i cant think that it would
[10:18] <achandrashekar> but you never know
[10:19] <allerbest> as I said, Debian doesn't find it, too.
[10:19] <allerbest> The card has Linux support, Areca offers drivers for it
[10:19] <ogra_cmpc> well, its more likely that ubuntu finds something debianh doesnt (we use the same kernel, but ubuntu adds lots of extras)
[10:20] <achandrashekar> allerbest: yep you are right - http://www.areca.com.tw/products/2ports.htm
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> the kernel guys will know about it
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> its just not a good time to awsk them, most of that team is in the us
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> so they are likely asleep
[10:21] <allerbest> Merde ...
[10:21] <allerbest> thanks anyway
[10:21]  * allerbest is sitting in the lab room of the school where the server should be ready %-)
[10:22] <ogra_cmpc> well, ask there anyway
[10:22] <ogra_cmpc> allerbest, use SW raid :)
[10:22] <allerbest> ogra_cmpc: Nope, sorry. Too many bad experiences. Not fast enough.
[10:22] <ogra_cmpc> really ?
[10:22] <allerbest> BTDT.
[10:23] <allerbest> Really.
[10:23] <ogra_cmpc> i've seen th eopposite mant times
[10:23] <ogra_cmpc> *many
[10:23] <johnny> achandrashekar, hi
[10:23] <allerbest> I had software raid with Debian 4 in our company running on half a dozen machines.
[10:23] <achandrashekar> hey how are you
[10:23] <johnny> going to sleep shorty
[10:23] <johnny> shortly*
[10:23] <johnny> it's 5:30 almost
[10:23] <achandrashekar> same here
[10:24] <achandrashekar> i got friggin bored
[10:24] <achandrashekar> again
[10:24] <achandrashekar> :)
[10:25] <achandrashekar> allerbest: might help out - http://hell.org.ua/Docs/sata.html
[10:25] <achandrashekar> not sure if you can use that but..it might work??
[10:26] <johnny> so, did you want something ?
[10:26] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, so do you have a webpage or so for that client ?
[10:26] <allerbest> the page describes the arcmsr driver that's not working :)
[10:27] <achandrashekar> ogra_cmpc: he he ebay.com ---search criteria "thin client Linux" comes up those..
[10:27] <achandrashekar> ENT
[10:27] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[10:28] <achandrashekar> allerbest: with the ftp site...and the driver..i guess that is where you grabbed it from?
[10:28] <ogra_cmpc> i'm just worried its a ripoff of the ebox 1000 .... which looks shiny and small but is one of the worst clients i know
[10:28] <achandrashekar> ha ha
[10:28] <achandrashekar> okay
[10:28] <ogra_cmpc> they are out in the field fo $99
[10:28] <ogra_cmpc> (new)
[10:28] <achandrashekar> is there a decent one that people have had luck with >
[10:28] <achandrashekar> ?
[10:29] <allerbest> achandrashekar: I didn't grab it from there since the arcmsr module is offered by the edubuntu installer to me.
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> look at disklessworkstations.com everything but the cheapest one is fine
[10:29] <achandrashekar> cool will do
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> (the chepest is one of these ebox ripoffs, if you see such a pic in an offer, run boy run :) )
[10:30] <achandrashekar> johnny: yeah..i started playing with gconf-editor...very very dangerous..i changed desktop background to "locked" mode and had a tough time "undoing" it.
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> they are great for kiosk systems that run a single app locally (a presentation etc)
[10:30] <achandrashekar> johnny: that was on my own laptop
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> but nothing for fully fledged desktops
[10:30] <johnny> try it as another usr :)
[10:31] <johnny> gconf-editor is not to be used directy for the most part
[10:31] <achandrashekar> ogra_cmpc: thanks
[10:31] <johnny> sabayon is supposed to handle it
[10:31] <johnny> and pessulus
[10:31] <achandrashekar> sabayon allows the desktop background NOT to be changed?
[10:32] <achandrashekar> i mean that is an option?
[10:32] <johnny> it could be
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> i think pessulus does
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> not sure thoough i didnt look at it for a while
[10:32] <johnny> i don't think it works right now
[10:32] <achandrashekar> no option in pessulus
[10:32] <johnny> working on it tho
[10:32] <johnny> it's a few steps down on the priority list
[10:33] <johnny> the main priority is to stop some of the annoying crashes
[10:33] <achandrashekar> but in sabayon ill have to see what is going on with that
[10:33] <johnny> and make panel applets able to be deleted
[10:33] <johnny> or modified
[10:33] <achandrashekar> nice thing is..i have that dhcp-failover working like a charm
[10:34] <achandrashekar> systems coming up from each server....load balanced
[10:34] <achandrashekar> :)
[10:34] <achandrashekar> and authing with ldap now..
[10:34] <achandrashekar> i think something like phpldapadmin will work great to build the tree properly.
[10:35] <achandrashekar> but..i havent worked on it much...because i like sleep. :)
[10:35] <achandrashekar> im really concerned about account management next..and lock down.
[10:35] <achandrashekar> then ill probably be where your at johnny with getting "details" all worked out.
[10:36] <johnny> the lock down is weak in some senses , it needs to hack around some standard utilities
[10:36] <johnny> i'm only focusing on the ones i need to worrry about atm
[10:36] <johnny> am willing to do other things
[10:36] <johnny> that's just what i've been focusing on up to this point
[10:36] <johnny> and just making the damn thing ready for hardy
[10:37] <achandrashekar> i see.
[10:38] <achandrashekar> I figure..this..if i setup accounts..and kids want to piss around and f up their workspace so be it..at least its just their account.
[10:40] <achandrashekar> the issue before was the kids were all using the SAME account on winblows
[10:40] <achandrashekar> and they f'd the whole env up with trojans and viruses and inappropriate desktop backgrounds
[10:40] <achandrashekar> but i really cant justify putting the systems in kiosk mode or something like that
[10:40] <achandrashekar> what I am considering..is that maybe using a script that cleans up their account every friday or something.
[10:40] <johnny> thaths what i do
[10:40] <johnny> ever night
[10:40] <johnny> actually
[10:40] <johnny> these are completely public
[10:40] <johnny> completely anonymous mode
[10:40] <johnny> no user accounts except the machines themselves
[10:41] <johnny> by name
[10:41] <achandrashekar> ahhh...and is that easier to manage for you?
[10:41] <johnny> well, we haven't had the ability to offer accounts to our regulars
[10:41] <achandrashekar> so in dhcp.conf you have each machine accounted for?
[10:41] <johnny> but it is something i'd like to provide
[10:41] <johnny> we have some homeless folks who like to use your internet
[10:41] <johnny> err
[10:41] <johnny> s/your/our/
[10:42] <johnny> i'd like to give at least one of them an account if he needs it
[10:42] <achandrashekar> i see.
[10:42] <johnny> or any folks who are working on team projects with other community members
[10:42] <achandrashekar> so how did you get the anonymous accounts working
[10:42] <johnny> autologin with a patched ldm (fixed in hardy)
[10:42] <achandrashekar> just curious in case we decide that is the best course of action
[10:43] <johnny> the upstream ldm actually has a guest login patch
[10:43] <johnny> so you get the benefits of anonymous login or user account
[10:43] <johnny> right at the beginning
[10:43] <achandrashekar> i see. ..and that "patch" is documented as well somewhere?
[10:43] <johnny> definitely something i'm going to apply
[10:43] <johnny> uhmm.. it's in the revision control system? :)
[10:44] <johnny> i haven't actually looked at it yet
[10:44] <johnny> was planning on doing that soon
[10:44] <achandrashekar> and the home space is shared ?? how does that working when saving things?
[10:44] <johnny> i wasn't rushing, as the current setup is fine
[10:44] <johnny> sure, atm it is
[10:44] <johnny> i mean it's only shared by the computer
[10:44] <johnny> the python based ldm had a patch too i used :)
[10:45] <johnny> where you could do something like this
[10:45] <johnny> LDM_USERNAME=`hostname`
[10:45] <johnny> in lts.conf
[10:45] <johnny> and then i did LDM_PASSWORD="guest"
[10:45] <ogra_cmpc> hardys has that too :)
[10:45] <achandrashekar> ahh okay
[10:45] <ogra_cmpc> hardys also has the abiliyt to authenticate users with ssh keys
[10:45] <johnny> and then setup dnsmasq to assign ips and hostnames
[10:46] <johnny> based on the mac address
[10:46] <achandrashekar> hardy seems like its going to kick ass...once released
[10:46] <johnny> achandrashekar, it's never enough for me :)
[10:46] <johnny> it still needs localapps
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> well, its actually not much more than gutsy ... but tons of fixes and improvements
[10:46] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, i'm actually trying to get a fellow i know to help me with that
[10:46] <achandrashekar> i saw some features with gimp like image extraction that i was really impressed with as well..
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, you can do localapps easily yourself with an sshd running on the client and nfs mounted /home fromj the server
[10:47] <johnny> ?
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> (you need to copy the credential files around all teh time though ...)
[10:47] <johnny> uhmm..
[10:48] <achandrashekar> alright guys i need some z's
[10:48] <johnny> i only want to run firefox/flash locally
[10:48] <johnny> for now..
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> install sshd in the client, add some code to permanently mount /home and have passwd and groups available
[10:48] <johnny> and at most.. ekiga/skype and such
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> ssh -X user@clientip firefox ....
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> that will then run ff as localapp
[10:48] <achandrashekar> and use ssh keys??
[10:48] <achandrashekar> or ?
[10:48] <johnny> sure, but that isn't in the spec :)
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> its not secure and a lot of maintanance work, but works
[10:49] <johnny> i'm talking about actually implementing the spec
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> ahhh
[10:49] <johnny> not a hack :)
[10:49] <johnny> as long as you think it is a valid technique
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> well, i'm trying to keep away from it until sbalneav is back
[10:49] <johnny> trading emails with him?
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> its his brainchild ....
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[10:49] <achandrashekar> goodnight
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> i just know he's very busy at work
[10:49] <johnny> hmm..well he can't stall devel forever
[10:50] <achandrashekar> thanks for all the help
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, see you :)
[10:50] <johnny> it should be ready for hardy+1
[10:50] <johnny> or wait.. it has a name now
[10:50] <johnny> something ibex..
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> i'll put time into it for hardy+1
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> intrepid
[10:51] <johnny> so.. are you feeling hardy :) and will you feel inteprid?
[10:51] <johnny> and have you ever felt feisty?
[10:51] <johnny> hehe
[10:52] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, lemme guess you don't have gvfs-fuse installed?
[10:52] <ogra_cmpc> we dont have such a package
[10:52] <johnny> the deb talks about it
[10:53] <johnny> so i think debian has it at least
[10:53] <ogra_cmpc> oh, right
[10:53] <ogra_cmpc> there is such a pkg
[10:53] <johnny> but .. you dont have it installed? :)
[10:54] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[10:54] <johnny> if you did, you mayvb get my issue.. i'll verify later when i wake up
[10:56] <johnny> i'm meeting with federico sometime later .. around 1700 GMT
[10:57] <johnny> i'll let you know what we come up with
[10:58] <ogra_cmpc> thanks :)
[10:59] <johnny> i think the major things to fix are the panel applet issues
[11:00] <johnny> and the gnome-settings-daemon issue
[11:00] <johnny> but i don't know C
[11:00] <johnny> the bug is registered
[11:00] <johnny> the gnome-settings-daemon issue stops sabayon from working cleanly at all
[11:00] <johnny> i'll see if federico can do the proper gdb magic to diagnose it
[11:01] <johnny> but i'm doubting that it will be fixed otherwise for 2.22.0
[11:03] <ogra_cmpc> btw, seb128 just told me he wants gvfs-fuse in the default install
[11:04] <johnny> this, and the linked bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516318
[11:04] <ubotu> Gnome bug 516318 in plugins "crash when run inside xnest (media keys plugin)" [Normal,Needinfo]
[11:04] <johnny> that was marked as duplicate
[11:04] <johnny> i prolly should change the summary
[11:04] <johnny> but that will wait til ater
[11:04] <johnny> night ogra
[11:04] <johnny> i'll see if i see the mounted ~/.gvfs after installing it
[11:05] <johnny> for every user
[11:05] <johnny> ok.. really leaving now
[11:05] <ogra_cmpc> ciao
[11:19] <ogra> RichEd-1, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080226/ is the text ok that way ?
[11:19] <RichEd-1> hi ogra ... checking now
[11:20] <RichEd-1> the line under Add-On CD ?
[11:21] <ogra> Ubuntu educational add-on CD
[11:21] <ogra> everywher in the text now ....
[11:21] <ogra> instead of just "add-on CD"
[11:22] <ogra> and edubuntu 8.04 LTS at the top header
[11:23] <RichEd-1> just refreshed ...  browser loading pages strangely toda
[11:23] <RichEd-1> *today
[11:24] <RichEd-1> make it: Ubuntu Education Add-On CD
[11:24] <RichEd-1> (drop the "al" in the name)
[11:24] <ogra> ok
[11:24] <ogra> (will be in tomorrows build, i cant regenerate teh text alone)
[11:28] <RichEd-1> The Ubuntu Education Add-on CD contains additional packages useful in an Educational environment - including many educational applications / programs. Installation of the Education Add-On requires that you have already installed an Ubuntu desktop system.
[11:28] <RichEd-1> ?? try that for tomorrow
[11:28]  * RichEd-1 is back in 20 mins
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[11:38] <juliux> RichEd, http://ubuntu.juliux.de/tassen.jpg the right one;)
[12:09] <RichEd> juliux: i'll take on with a strong coffee in it please
[12:09] <RichEd> s/on/one/
[12:09] <juliux> hehe
[12:09] <juliux> yes a strong coffee would be good now;)
[12:10] <juliux> RichEd, my plan was to bring some mugs to the next uds
[12:12] <RichEd> good idea ... i'll also ask canonical if they want to buy a couple off you to give to clients
[14:38] <cafka>  bzip2 -dc patch-2.6.24.3.bz2 | patch -p1 -s   i have used this command to patch the kernel.. but a setup is displayed to choose what files to be patched is there a command to patch all files??
[14:44] <RichEd> juliux: i presume you have seen the ubuntu / canonical store ?
[14:45]  * RichEd wonders if they would want to carry your mugs as a stock item
[14:46] <juliux> RichEd, yes i have seen the canonical store
[14:46] <juliux> RichEd, i will ask gerry
[15:16] <juliux> RichEd, i talked with katkin, they don't want some
[15:17] <RichEd> okay :(
[15:44] <Armagon> Greetings.
[15:45] <Armagon> After a lot of work, I've got a powerpc computer connecting to my amd64 edubuntu server.  [An iBook G4 connecting to a MacBook.]
[15:46] <Armagon> My client is getting the kernel now over TFTP, and I am getting "nfsmount: need a path" on the client.
[15:46] <Armagon> I don't know anything about nfs.  I see that edubuntu is set to use nbd by default.
[15:47] <Armagon> I should mention that I made my powerpc image using ubuntu 7.04.  [It was by accident, but when I tried 7.10, I ran into problems that I could not resolve in a couple of hours.]
[15:48] <Armagon> Am I best off to try to setup an nfs server on my server?
[15:49] <RichEd> Armagon: google seach on this: [+ubuntu +"nfsmount: need a path"]
[15:49] <RichEd> gives this link: http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/ltsp-irc-log/ltsp.log.txt
[15:49] <RichEd> i'll /msg you the discussion from that log
[15:52] <Armagon> Thanks. I'm taking a look at it.
[15:52] <ogra> Armagon, thats unlikely to work
[15:52] <ogra> combibing 7.04 with 7.10 i mean
[15:53] <Armagon> I had wondered about that.
[15:54] <Armagon> There were two issues with the powerpc setup of edubuntu with 7.10 -- not modprobing the ide drivers, and something about a blank screen.  I ran into one or both of them, and despite being a technically literate user, was not able to get past them.
[15:54] <ogra> fo the nfsmount priob you need to chek your dhcpd config
[15:54] <Armagon> I am a tech in my school division, and am hoping to sell people on using edubuntu here.
[15:55] <ogra> it needs to have the root-path parameter set to /opt/ltsp/powerpc
[15:55] <Armagon> Should I try using hardy?
[15:55] <Armagon> Oh, I can do that, ogra!
[15:55] <ogra> but even then ldm and ltspfs in gutsy are massivley different
[15:55] <Armagon> hmm.
[15:56] <ogra> its a matter of luck i'd say
[15:56] <ogra> try it :)
[15:56] <ogra> but dont expect it to work
[15:56] <Armagon> there aren't powerpc images available for download, are there?
[15:57] <ogra> nope
[15:57] <Armagon> I mean the stuff to put in /opt/ltsp/powerpc and/or /opt/ltsp/images
[15:57] <ogra> yes, i understood that
[15:57] <Armagon> and I can't chroot into a powerpc image from an amd64 machine, can I?
[15:58] <ogra> if i find time before hardy release i'll test powerpc ... but its not in the list of supported architectures so its not very high on my prio list
[15:58] <ogra> (testing implies that i build an image, which i then will upload somewhere)
[15:58] <ogra> no, you cant
[15:58] <ogra> ppc needs a ppc cpu
[15:58] <ogra> you could chroot into a ppc chroot from a ppc64 machine :)
[15:59] <Armagon> I understand that it is not supported.  It's almost a shame that we have so much powerpc hardware that at the end of its fat-cliently-ly useful life.
[15:59] <ogra> yeah
[15:59] <Armagon> what sort of machine has a ppc64 processor?
[15:59] <ogra> i can imagine storages full of old imacs
[15:59] <ogra> ibm machines do and i think there are some older apple servers as well :)
[16:01] <Armagon> If the server has the files needed for a different architecture, is it possible to generate the squashfs image file from it?
[16:03] <Armagon> Well, instead of getting "nfsmount: need a path", I am now getting "connect: Connection refused" and "read: Connection refused".
[16:04] <ogra> great, youre one step further :)
[16:05] <ogra> make sure fs-kernel-server is running
[16:05] <ogra> *nfs-kernel-server
[16:06] <Armagon> It does not appear to be.  (ps -aux | grep nfs -> nothing but the grep)
[16:07] <Armagon> I suppose I want to install nfs-kernel-server, or do I want nfs-common?
[16:07] <Armagon> ah.  kernel server
[16:09] <ogra> common should come with it
[16:09] <ogra> as dependency
[16:09] <Armagon> What would I want to put in /etc/exports?
[16:11] <ogra> it should be configured already, check that first
[16:11] <Armagon> No; there is nothing in it that is not commented out.
[16:11] <ogra> if not, add the following line:
[16:11] <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386     *(ro)
[16:11] <Armagon> I think the line I need is something like "/opt/ltsp   *(ro,no_root_squash,async)"
[16:11] <alumno10> Hi, i havent sound in clients
[16:11] <ogra> yeah, thats a lot better
[16:11] <ogra> take yours
[16:11] <Armagon> okay, I'll do that ( s/i386/powerpc/g )
[16:12] <ogra> no, drop the arch :)
[16:12] <Armagon> oh, ok
[16:12] <alumno10> their hardware are sis7019
[16:12] <ogra> if you ever want i386 clients you don need to remember to reconfigure
[16:12] <Armagon> okay
[16:12] <ogra> alumno10, there no driver for that soundcard
[16:12] <ogra> +is
[16:12] <Armagon> [I imagine I will at some point ... but one thing at a time.]
[16:13] <alumno10> actualli i've found some sources and modules compiled
[16:13] <ogra> that an oss driver
[16:13] <ogra> wont work
[16:13] <alumno10> but when i modprobed it they say "bad module format" or some
[16:13] <ogra> sounds like you use an ebox ...
[16:13] <ogra> dont buy them for ltsp
[16:13] <alumno10> yep, its an ebox
[16:14] <alumno10> :s
[16:14] <ogra> its a great thing for a standalone kiosk system that runs a single app
[16:14] <ogra> but nothing for desktops
[16:14] <alumno10> wich machine could i use then?
[16:15] <ogra> i had hacked up the sound driver back in feisty for them ... the sounds stutters if you move the mouse because the CPU gets under way to heavy load
[16:15] <alumno10> i ve seen this machines with sound but just with 2.6.8 kernels
[16:15] <alumno10> now im using 2.6.22-14-386
[16:16] <ogra> ltsp5 has no oss support
[16:16] <ogra> (actually the upstream kernel is abut to drop oss)
[16:16] <alumno10> yes, i know :/
[16:16] <ogra> so you need to do a lot more to somehow make oss work ...
[16:17] <alumno10> and when i do aplay xxxx.wav system says pulseaudio: connection rejected or some
[16:17] <ogra> indee
[16:17] <ogra> d
[16:17] <ogra> ther is no working sound HW your alsa stack can connect to
[16:18] <ogra> pulse on the client expects something to be there in teh alsa stack it can attach to ...
[16:18] <alumno10> damn.... that means all this clients now are obsoleted?
[16:18] <alumno10> :S
[16:18] <ogra> well, even if you get them working they are no fun above 800x600@16bit cols
[16:18] <alumno10> now im using it
[16:19] <alumno10> and they run so so  with firefox, xchat and openoffice
[16:19] <ogra> which resolution/colordepth ?
[16:19] <alumno10> since they are just 11
[16:19] <alumno10> 1024x768@16
[16:20] <ogra> and you find that usable speed wise ?
[16:20] <ogra> 7me didnt when he tested last time
[16:20] <alumno10> i disabled a lot of things
[16:20] <ogra> that doesnt matter
[16:20] <alumno10> and gnome of course not, we use icewm
[16:20] <alumno10> humm
[16:21] <ogra> for the client performance only the amount of colors and frames transferred to its X server counts
[16:21] <alumno10> they are pretty usable
[16:21] <alumno10> and ssh security disabled
[16:21] <alumno10> somewhere i read that speeds up connection
[16:21] <ogra> you mean LDM_DIRECTX ?
[16:21] <ogra> or did you switch to xdmcp
[16:22] <alumno10> yes
[16:22] <alumno10> ldm_directx
[16:22] <ogra> ah, good to hear its half way usable
[16:22] <ogra> i'll have to dig up my ebox for testing i guess
[16:22] <ogra> before we release hardy
[16:23] <alumno10> i just have problems with videos, of course
[16:23] <alumno10> flash too
[16:23] <ogra> indeed
[16:23] <ogra> the CPU wont handle that
[16:23] <alumno10> but everything else are ok
[16:23] <ogra> way to many frames in way to short time
[16:23] <alumno10> client cpu ?
[16:23] <ogra> nothing a 233MHz CPU can handle
[16:23] <alumno10> or this is problem of server cpu?
[16:23] <ogra> client
[16:24] <Armagon> This time I am getting "connect: Connection refused"
[16:24] <ogra> it needs to handle 24 freames per second while doing lots of other stuff
[16:24] <alumno10> hum, damn,, so i must to change all clients :/
[16:24] <ogra> in 16 bit :)
[16:24] <alumno10> which machine can i use to watch youtube?
[16:25] <ogra> i'd go with something around or above 500MHz .... 128M ram ... and preferably an intel graphics card ... but via or trident would do as well i think
[16:26] <Armagon> Is there an nfs log file I can tail?
[16:26] <alumno10> wow... 500mhz ...
[16:26] <ogra> Armagon, daemon-log ?
[16:26] <ogra> alumno10, 233 is the absolutely bare minimum we support
[16:26] <ogra> and support doesnt mean flash sound localdev etc
[16:27] <alumno10> and which kind of server for like 30machines?
[16:27] <ogra> but basic functionallity
[16:27] <ogra> that depends on the desktop you use
[16:27] <alumno10> they are working with usb fortunatelly
[16:27] <Armagon> [I'm not properly registered and can't send private messages.]  daemon log is only showing me DHCP stuff.
[16:27] <alumno10> *usb drives
[16:27] <ogra> for a gnome or kde desktop the formula is: 128M pre running client +256M forteh server itslef
[16:28] <ogra> s/pre/per/
[16:28] <ogra> so for a server providing a gnome desktop taht would be arund 4G
[16:29] <alumno10> since the original server had hardware problems, now we are using a crappy 512mb 1.2ghz server
[16:29] <ogra> no idea about icewm. i havent used it since about 6 years
[16:29] <alumno10> with 11machines
[16:29] <ogra> i think xfce lies around 90M
[16:30] <alumno10> im ok with icewm, it starts instantly
[16:30] <ogra> so ice migh do with 30 or so per running client
[16:30] <Armagon> Hmm..  There are a couple of lines in daemon.log that mention /etc/exports
[16:31] <ogra> is the nfs server actually running ?
[16:31] <alumno10> so if i use a faster server, like a xeon, people doesn't be able to watch video like youtube?
[16:31] <alumno10> (we actually have chance to buy a xeon)
[16:31] <alumno10> *wont be able...
[16:33] <ogra> in the case of the ebox its really the graphic processing speed you lack ...
[16:33] <ogra> (on the client)
[16:34] <alumno10> humm, wow... we almost boy a big server thinking problem are that
[16:34] <alumno10> *buy
[16:34] <alumno10> :S
[16:35] <alumno10> ok, thank you VERy much!
[16:35] <alumno10> tomorrow ill put my coreduo as client, and ill watch what happen with vids
[16:37] <ogra> well, 512M and 1.2Ghz with 30 clients will likely have probs as well pushing the CPU specs a bit would help
[16:43] <pak33m|work> hi everybody can anybody answer an easy question?
[16:45] <pak33m|work> im wondering if its possible after installing edubuntu either by cd (desktop or server) or apt-get edubuntu-desktop to install the classroom addon and/or its software through apt like apt-get install classroom-addon?
[16:54] <jobdrb> HELLO ALL! IS THERE A WAY TO USE A LOCAL HD PARTITION IN LTSP-5, LIKE IN 4.2 (local_device_02 =/dev/hda3:hd) ?????
[17:10] <Armagon> I was accidentally disconnected there.
[17:10] <Armagon> Good news!  It worked with an iBook G4.
[17:10] <Armagon> It is not, unfortunately, working with an older iMac
[17:39] <Armagon> I know I've got a strange setup here -- and I'll have to try making an image from 7.10 again, but, on the machine that is working as a thin client, the cursor is staying as a wait cursor (despite working), and gdm is not drawing the outside of windows.
[17:47]  * dtrask loves snow, but this is getting ridiculous!
[17:49] <ogra_cmpc> dtrask, we didnt have *any* this year (very unusual)
[17:50] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I'm not REALLY complaining, but there's a big storm bering down on us right now...and supposedly 2 more in its wake (Sat-Sun and Mon)
[17:50] <dtrask> oops (sp)  "bearing"
[17:51] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: at least the skiing will be good this weekend
[17:51] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  so...how've you been man!
[17:52] <ogra_cmpc> busy
[17:52] <ogra_cmpc> with cclassmate and the CD rearranging
[17:52] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: getting almost everything set the way you wanted it to come out?
[17:53] <ogra_cmpc> yep
[17:53] <ogra_cmpc> ltsp is on the ubuntu alternate cd now
[17:53] <ogra_cmpc> an dedubuntu turned into a plain educational addon cd
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> requiring ubuntu-desktop to be installed
[17:54] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:   yeah....I see that...I have mixed feelings....one the one hand I can see benefits and on the other I can see drawbacks
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> that gains us several 100M on the cd
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> like 3-400
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> lots of new space for edu apps
[17:54] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  most of the drawbacks are purely psychological
[17:54] <dtrask> ;-)
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> right
[17:55] <ogra_cmpc> its all about the right wording we need to choose for the release
[17:55] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  Having the edu apps will be a huge PLUS
[17:55] <ogra_cmpc> right
[17:55] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: exactly\
[17:55] <ogra_cmpc> and having ltsp in ubuntu as well
[17:56] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I'm hoping to be able to talk to folks at some point about this type of thing...there's some "skittish-ness" among the average educator/techie with regard to the future and the shift...nothing major, but "some" folks are nervous and need reassuring
[17:57] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  image and perception is 99% of the game
[17:57] <ogra_cmpc> well, if they have systems they dont need to bother
[17:57] <ogra_cmpc> its only for new installs
[17:57] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I suspect things will be fine once people see Hardy and that things are really not much different
[17:58] <ogra_cmpc> apart from 3 years of support :)
[17:58] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I'm actually a tad nervous about authentication stuff...Samba/LDAP is a little "broken" in Gutsy...I'm hoping something else comes along that's an official part of Ubuntu
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> not for hardy i was told ... at least no default setup for the server side
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> #ubuntu-server can tell you though
[17:59] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:   My production stuff is still Feisty....I learned long ago not to upgrade in the middle of a school year
[17:59] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  oh crap
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> i'm not inviolved with that so i dont know exactly
[18:00] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  any inkling as to the reason?
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> its not ready ?
[18:00] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: just curious
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> no idea, really
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> the server team will know
[18:00] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: that would be a good reason  ;-)
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> i'm in platform now .... rarekly have to do with server stuff
[18:01] <ogra_cmpc> moodle and edubuntu content server are the only server stuff on my plate atm
[18:01] <dtrask> I'm hoping we can cobble something together to get through another year or release until something arrives
[18:02] <dtrask> I remember how adamant you were about authentication at UDS Google....did they shift it away to another branch like the server team?
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> general ldap should already be a lot easier to set up
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> even in hardy
[18:02] <dtrask> cool
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> they dont stanhd still in the server team
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> but i have no ised how far they are with a default setup ... or if they even plan any samba intergration
[18:03] <ogra_cmpc> s/ised/idea/
[18:03] <dtrask> cool....
[18:04] <dtrask> just wondering....planning ahead.  We've gotten some good press lately...locally...and planning to have it continue  ;-)
[18:04] <ogra_cmpc> cool
[18:05] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: Prague is going to be pretty close by for you, 'eh?
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc> some 100km 800 or so
[18:05] <dtrask> go by train or plane?
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc> no idea yeat
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc> probably train
[18:37] <LaserJock> bah, has RichEd been around?
[18:41] <HedgeMage> LaserJock:  don't know, I haven't been able to catch him either, but my net access has been intermittent at best
[18:44] <LaserJock> RichEd-1: is that really you? :-)
[18:49] <dtrask> RichEd?
[18:50] <dtrask> LaserJock?
[18:50] <dtrask> Mommy?
[18:50] <LaserJock> dtrask!
[18:50] <dtrask> LOL
[18:50] <dtrask> Hey!
[18:50] <dtrask> How's it going!?
[18:50] <LaserJock> uggg, busy
[18:50] <LaserJock> trying to write a sample lab report for my students
[18:51] <lns> dtrask, no, not mom..this is morpheus
[18:51] <lns> (Computer Boy quote)
[18:51] <LaserJock> since the idea of actually writing a report is quite foreign it seems
[18:51] <dtrask> lns: LOL
[18:51] <LaserJock> and of course the syllabus which explains what to do doesn't work ;-)
[18:51] <dtrask> LaserJock: foreign to you or them?
[18:51] <dtrask> got it now
[18:51] <LaserJock> them
[18:52] <dtrask> I'm actually "teaching" my kids how to "present"....anyone can make a slide show...I'm trying to teach them how to "present"...as opposed to simply reading from a screen.  They doing quite well I might add
[18:53] <LaserJock> oh thank goodness
[18:53] <dtrask> We use a presenters mouse....and the whole nine yards....using either Google docs presentation module or OO
[18:53] <LaserJock> drill them well and tell them it will help them a huge amount in college
[18:53] <dtrask> I also teach them that animation is not all it's cracked up to be
[18:54] <LaserJock> we're lucky if we can get college seniors to do a decent presentation ;-)
[18:54] <LaserJock> "yes thanks, I know how to read, you don't need to tell me what you wrote"
[18:55] <dtrask> I am....I actually do a presentation for them (one that I've been doing at conferences and stuff) about FOSS and Ubuntu called "The Natives are Restless"....they get right into my presentation....then at the end I explain how I used the screen as a jumping off point and carried on the actual presentation myself.  I actually turned the project off on one kid and told him to continue....when I did that...they "got it"
[18:56] <dtrask> Well....I actually have to go and watch some more of these presentations....be back in a while
[18:56]  * dtrask gets ready to watch his students continue to impress him  ;-)
[19:27]  * dtrask they did great!  Laserjock would be proud!
[20:37] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, currently the sabayon issue with mounted ~/.gvfs won't affect ubuntu on a normal install,since you have to be in the fuse group
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[20:57] <caspu> Hi
[22:05] <bdoin_> good news ubuntu finaly updated the gcompris translation
[22:53] <boggystudios> is there a tutorial on how to customize edubuntu (or any other linux distro) to a particular school?
[23:17] <johnny> customize in what way
[23:17] <johnny> that is waay too broad of a question
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