2008/02/25/#xubuntu.txt

[01:01] <tb77> can xubuntu automount usb ext3 drive when plugged in?
[01:25] <ron_o> is firefox a hog or what?
[01:25] <ron_o> why was it taking up 25-50% of my cpu with a core2duo?
[01:25] <ron_o> I went to opera.
[01:40] <Yashy> You should try links or lynx for a real difference
[01:44] <ron_o> I have too fast a computer to even think about those.
[01:44] <ron_o> those would be necessary on a 10 year old computer.
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> just out of curiosity, is it normal for xfce to default to metacity as its window manager?
[07:24] <sugardrunk> !metacity
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metacity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <sugardrunk> !compiz
[07:24] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[11:30] <maristo> hello!
[11:30] <maristo> woh can I reinstall grub from my Xubuntu's LiveCD?
[11:30] <maristo> fek
[11:30] <maristo> How*
[11:31] <totemwormage> hm
[11:31] <totemwormage> you can 'apt-get --reinstall grub-
[11:31] <totemwormage> eh grub'*
[11:32] <maristo> hm
[11:32] <maristo> thanx, i' tryll
[12:27] <Popolon> hi
[12:27] <Popolon> There is a bug with menu
[12:27] <Popolon> at least in french
[12:27] <Popolon> I installed gcompris package on xubuntu (eeexubuntu), in french mode
[12:28] <Popolon> the application is installed but not displayed in the menu
[12:28] <Popolon> I had lot of problem when switching (on another computer) from feitsy to gutsy with menus too
[12:28] <Popolon> but this is a fresh install
[12:28] <Popolon> from gutsy
[12:32] <vinnie> any1 know a good way to benchmark gfx besides glxgears
[12:38] <Popolon> vinnie, search benchmark in synaptic ?
[12:38] <totemwormage> Popolon: not every program adds itself to the menus
[12:39] <totemwormage> Popolon: you can add them yourself if you like with the menu editor *^_^*
[12:40] <Popolon> totemwormage, where is this menueditor, I never find it
[12:40] <Popolon> but this is an ubuntu pacakge
[12:40] <Popolon> this is a problem
[12:40] <Popolon> on the other xubuntu
[12:40] <Popolon> there was gcompris-admin on the menus, but not the application itself
[12:40] <Popolon> there, both are not there
[12:41] <totemwormage> Popolon: go to system -> preferences -> main menu
[12:41] <totemwormage> Popolon: file a bug :P
[12:42] <Popolon> ok
[12:42] <Popolon> there is only système on the menu editor ?
[12:43] <Popolon> the other are managed elsewhere
[12:43] <Popolon> I don't want to add new submenues
[12:43] <Popolon> but to add it at its attended place
[12:46] <Popolon> Oh, I installed another application
[12:46] <Popolon> now the menu eductaion appear
[12:47] <Popolon> I had rebooted for testing if this corrected the bug (that was not the case)
[12:47] <Popolon> there is still only gcompris admin :(
[12:59] <Popolon> totemwormage, I already habe a login/pass on launchpad for inkscape
[12:59] <Popolon> do I create a new for gcompris/ubuntu ?
[12:59] <Ven]n> i want everything like it was before i did apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment.. i want to keep my xfce4 like it was.. should i use the purge or remove command to remove gnome-desktop-environment?
[13:25] <Ven]n> hmm.. i did
[13:25] <Ven]n> but all that only removed 170 megs
[13:25] <Ven]n> it said it was 330 megs when i installed it
[13:28] <totemwormage> Ven]n: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[13:29] <totemwormage> Popolon: no, just search for anything like your problem on launchpad
[13:29] <totemwormage> i don't use the menu so i'm not certain if this actually is a bug or how to fix it
[13:32] <Popolon> totemwormage, thanks a lot
[13:34] <Ven]n> totemwormage, that command takes away some compiz stuff as well
[13:34] <Ven]n> :s
[13:35] <totemwormage> Ven]n: yes, that can be
[13:35] <totemwormage> that's the idea behind linux, shared libraries
[13:36] <Ven]n> oh well.. are there any programs i can use to see whats taking up space?
[13:36] <Ven]n> i have xubuntu installed on an eee pc
[13:36] <totemwormage> it sucks when you want te remove certain things
[13:36] <Ven]n> dont have much space
[13:36] <Ven]n> atm i have only 865 M available
[13:36] <totemwormage> auch
[13:36] <totemwormage> compiz is big :P
[13:37] <totemwormage> (kidding)
[13:40] <Popolon> because compiz (package) install lot of gnome stuff
[13:40] <Popolon> you will not need this package to run compiz-fusion
[13:40] <Popolon> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/compiz_fusion
[13:41] <Ven]n> so i can do that long command still and not have issues?
[13:42] <Popolon> sorry :
[13:42] <Popolon> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:compiz_on_eeexubunto?s=compiz
[13:42] <Popolon> is better (in english)
[13:42] <Popolon> and with only the usefull packages
[13:42] <Ven]n> huh?
[13:42] <Ven]n> i have done all that
[13:42] <Popolon> 2 package, a compiz and a compiz-gnome should be better
[13:43] <Popolon> actual compiz package install gnome stuff not used in kubuntu/xubuntu
[13:43] <Ven]n> the command he linked removes compiz-fusion-plugins-extr
[13:44] <Popolon> there is an old version of compiz
[13:44] <Popolon> should be this package
[13:44] <Popolon> I seen it few hours ago
[13:44] <Ven]n> what?
[13:44] <Ven]n> youre making no sense, heh
[13:45] <Popolon> as you want...
[13:45] <Popolon> never mind :)
[13:45] <Ven]n> what did you think i wanted?
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[16:14] <steven_> hi, after I installe the nvidia restricted driver on Xubuntu 7.1 AMD64 the text size shrunk in everything and even when I decrease the resolution it statys  small.  help please
[16:16] <steven_> anyone?
[16:18] <totemwormage> wait :]
[16:21] <totemwormage> i was on the telephone :P
[16:21] <totemwormage> steven_: you'll need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:22] <totemwormage> and set your dpi to something which suits your resolution
[16:28] <neozen-work> hi all, weird stuff today.... numlock keeps turning itself on and off
[16:28] <neozen-work> computer boots into xubuntu just fine
[16:29] <neozen-work> anyone?
[16:32] <TheSheep> neozen-work: does it really turn, or is it only the led that is blinking?
[16:32] <neozen-work> no... it turns
[16:32] <neozen-work> REALLY #$@$@ annoying
[16:32] <TheSheep> I can imagine
[16:32] <neozen-work> (am attempting to type on it now)
[16:33] <neozen-work> its as though something is turning it on... and something else shuts it off almost immediately
[16:33] <neozen-work> naturally, since its a thinkpad, the keypress for numlock doesn't do anything
[16:34] <neozen-work> behavior seems to begin when login manager (xdm on xu I think) is loaded
[16:34] <TheSheep> xubuntu uses gdm
[16:34] <neozen-work> ah.. ok
[16:35] <neozen-work> any ideas?
[16:36] <TheSheep> no, sorry
[16:58] <neozen-work> well... booted with a livecd ... and the problem didn't happen
[16:58] <neozen-work> doesn't show up when booting into recovery mode either
[16:58] <neozen-work> only when starting xdm
[16:58] <neozen-work> gah
[16:58] <neozen-work> gdm (sorry)
[16:59] <TheSheep> no idea, you might check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf for suspiciously looking options
[17:01] <neozen-work> TheSheep: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/57353/
[17:02] <neozen-work> there's the InputDevice section for the keyboard
[17:02] <TheSheep> neozen-work: looks good
[17:02] <Sientz> Greetings.  I am trying to install xubuntu on a Toshiba Tecra 8100 laptop that I have but I don't seem to be having any luck. I get the menu but no matter what option I select it either goes to a black screen with a blinking cursor or it just reboots the system and then boots back into Windows XP.
[17:03] <TheSheep> Sientz: even the 'check cd for defects' option?
[17:03] <Lectus> What isn't Xubuntu CDs shiped like Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[17:03] <Lectus> Why*
[17:04] <Sientz> Yes even the check for defects option.
[17:04] <Sientz> it loads the kernel and then the bios flash screen comes up like I just turned it on
[17:07] <TheSheep> Lectus: because it's a community project
[17:08] <Sientz> i have tried both the standard and alternate cd as well
[17:08] <Sientz> someone told me to play with the boot parameters but...I am a rookie with this stuff
[17:09] <TheSheep> Sientz: two possibilties: either it's a bad burn (or bad download even), or your hardware is strange enough to give the kernel some serious problems. The latter is more likely, I think, you might try to google for your hardware and see if any boot options would help
[17:09] <TheSheep> !boot
[17:09] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[17:11] <Sientz> ok so I just hit that F6 and then try and add whatever and see if it helps...the only thing is there could be 1000 different combo's...i'm just shooting in the dark, what do you recommend I search for?  "Toshiba Tecra 8100 linux boot parameters" ?
[17:12] <TheSheep> Sientz: search for your laptop (or the motherboard type) on the forums
[17:12] <TheSheep> or in google, with added 'linux' or 'ubuntu'
[17:12] <TheSheep> !forums | Sientz
[17:12] <ubotu> Sientz: The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[17:13] <Sientz> I've been on the forums
[17:14] <Sientz> this is going to be a stupid question but just to clarify when they say 'GRUB' they are refering to the menu that appears when you boot off of the CD?
[17:14] <TheSheep> if you hit 'f1' at the boot screen, it lists some common boot options that often help
[17:14] <TheSheep> yes, I guess
[17:17] <Sientz> when I press F1 i get a box with 3 areas...not really a help menu..just a bunch of numbers and stuff....data box...prog box
[17:17] <Sientz> err 8
[17:17] <Sientz> if I press it a second time I get a "boot:' prompt
[17:17] <Sientz> if I just hit 'enter' it starts loading some files and then it resets
[17:18] <TheSheep> Sientz: the f1 text should tell you how to get the rest of the help screens
[17:18] <Sientz> it did this time
[17:18] <Sientz> the first two times it just gave me some crazy box
[17:18] <TheSheep> moonshine and madness
[17:21] <Sientz> it resets during the initrd.gz
[17:22] <Sientz> so I can just add whatever I want to try at the end of that line that ends with 'quiet --' <my stuff here> ?
[17:22] <TheSheep> yes
[17:22] <Popolon> bye
[17:22] <TheSheep> and I'd remove the 'quiet
[17:23] <TheSheep> and the --
[17:23] <Sientz> ok
[17:25] <Sientz> well I tried 'vga=771 noapic nolapic' and removed the 'quiet --' and it just goes to a black screen =\
[17:25] <TheSheep> try without the vga
[17:26] <Sientz> same thing but I got a blinking cursor which was not there last time lol
[17:27] <Sientz> i guess I could try the don't probe for USB and PCMCIA
[17:28] <Sientz> debain-installer /probe/usb=false and hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false
[17:30] <Sientz> ok the usb didn't do anything heh
[17:31] <Sientz> nothin...i tried each one seperatly as well as both at the same time
[17:31] <Sientz> same results...black screen with a blinking cursor lol
[17:35] <Indiadev_Techie> Hi evryone :)
[17:35] <Sientz> there really doesn't seem to be anything on the forums about this particular computer that relates to the issues I am having
[17:38] <TheSheep> Sientz: look for your motherboard model or sata controller model instead
[17:38] <Sientz> this thing doesn't have sata
[17:38] <TheSheep> Sientz: one thing less to break :)
[17:38] <Sientz> haha
[17:39] <TheSheep> Sientz: then just motherboard
[17:39] <Sientz> well that is a mission in and of itself lol
[17:40] <TheSheep> Sientz: you can also try downloading the Hardy alpha and see if it boots, it has a newer kernel that should handle certain harware better
[17:40] <Sientz> http://www.google.com/products?q=toshiba+tecra+8100+motherboard&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1
[17:40] <Sientz> i guess thats the motherboard ?
[17:40] <Sientz> well is there a xbuntu of that?  or will the hardy work on 256 mb of ram lol
[17:40] <Sientz> xubuntu sorry
[17:41] <Sientz> i'll try it, let me see if I can find the download for that
[17:42] <TheSheep> Sientz: http://people.debian.org/~ericvb/tecra/
[17:42] <TheSheep> Sientz: ubuntu is based on debian, maybe that will help
[17:43] <Sientz>  I see it says he had to copy the stuff to his hard drive first
[17:43] <Sientz> i'd rather try the alpha before I try doing all that
[17:45] <TheSheep> Sientz: one moment, looking for the download page
[17:45] <Sientz> i mean all of these pages are basically after they got it installed what they did
[17:45] <Sientz> none of them are pre-install solutions
[17:45] <TheSheep> Sientz: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[17:46] <TheSheep> Sientz: and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:46] <Sientz> i'll go for the first one heh
[17:47] <Sientz> I am trying to look at this as a learning experiment but its beginning to look bleek
[17:47] <TheSheep> Sientz: yeah, it sucks
[17:48] <TheSheep> Sientz: this is really a minefiled, it's ok most of the time until you hit some poorly supported hardware
[17:48] <Sientz> i thought it was gunna be all good, I guess its just this stupid laptop
[17:48] <TheSheep> minefield
[17:48] <TheSheep> Sientz: on the bright side, once you get it to work, it stays working
[17:48] <Sientz> IF I can get it to work lol
[17:49] <TheSheep> Sientz: btw, you can also ask on #ubuntu, this part is common and they have much more people
[17:49] <Sientz> ok
[17:49] <Sientz> i'll try this other cd one time
[17:49] <Sientz> and if not I'll go bug them lol
[17:49] <TheSheep> Sientz: don't forget to set the burning speed to the lowest you can
[17:50] <TheSheep> Sientz: old cd drives often have problems reading cds burned with high speeds
[17:50] <Sientz> hmm ok
[17:51] <TheSheep> (it's about the time the laser hits every spot, with high speeds the change is smaller and harder to detect)
[17:52] <Sientz> well I have never had any problems with that laptop reading any other discs I have burned with my various computers lol
[17:52] <TheSheep> just one more common problem
[17:53] <Sientz> is there somewhere I can see what the initrd.gz is doing?  thats when it seems to die
[17:54] <TheSheep> alt+f1, alt+f2 etc.
[17:54] <TheSheep> provided that 'quiet' is disabled
[17:54] <Sientz> umm
[17:54] <Sientz> when do you press alt F1 or alt f2 ?
[17:54] <Sientz> when its doing its little ..................... across the screen?
[17:55] <TheSheep> no, that's loading and unpacking of the kernel and initrd, you cannot do anything then yet
[17:55] <TheSheep> it doesn't run the kernel code yet at this moment
[17:55] <Sientz> ok so thats when my computer dies is when it is unloading the kernel
[17:55] <Sientz> what would cause that?
[17:55] <TheSheep> loading
[17:56] <TheSheep> and starting
[17:56] <TheSheep> maybe the problem is somewhere at its beginning
[17:56] <TheSheep> say, when you have only empty screen and cursor, does the hdd led still blink? maybe it loads just don't display anything?
[17:56] <Sientz> not that I saw, I can try again
[17:57] <TheSheep> on some laptops it tries do display on the additional vga port, for example, and only shows up once loaded
[17:57] <Sientz> if I press esc and goto that boot prompt and hit enter I can see the stuff going and then it just dies
[17:58] <Sientz> naw it doesn't blink ever
[17:58] <Sientz> not even during the unpacking
[17:58] <Sientz> i didn't see the hd light go on at all
[17:58] <TheSheep> Sientz: have you tried other distributions? slcakware or damn small linux?
[17:58] <Sientz> nope
[17:59] <TheSheep> s/slackware/knoppix
[17:59] <Sientz> I have not tried anything besides various ubuntu disks
[17:59] <TheSheep> knoppix is renowed for working on most hardware without additional boot options
[18:00] <Sientz> but how will that help me get ubuntu working? lol
[18:00] <TheSheep> but of course that doesn't solve your problem
[18:00] <TheSheep> might -- some of the methods you found on the web might work then
[18:00] <TheSheep> for example, you can install ubuntu from knoppix
[18:01] <Sientz> hmmm
[18:01] <TheSheep> of course no guarantee that it will boot once installed :
[18:02] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix
[18:03] <Sientz> lol
[18:03] <Sientz> good lord
[18:05] <Sientz> it seems like this stuff needs to be refined a bit more, I don't understand why I am having this problem, its not like I have these problems with windows...
[18:07] <TheSheep> Sientz: well, if this laptop didn't work with windows, nobody would buy it
[18:07] <Sientz> lol
[18:08] <Sientz> so how does that justify the problems I am having haha
[18:08] <Sientz> there are so many people asking questions in that other channel lol
[18:09] <Indiadev_Techie> Today i tried running ubuntu 7.10 desktop frm the CD on ma damn old pc with mere 128mb ram....guess what happend...???
[18:10] <Sientz> chicken butt?
[18:11] <Sientz> that other channel is too busy...my question gets lost in the fray
[18:11] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: haha :) ....
[18:11] <TheSheep> Sientz: try posting on the forums maybe
[18:11] <Sientz> been there
[18:12] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: seems funny...
[18:12] <TheSheep> Sientz: tried to ask a question? anybody responded?
[18:12] <Sientz> ummm
[18:12] <Indiadev_Techie>  Sientz: whats ur question....
[18:12] <Sientz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=706371&highlight=8100
[18:12] <Sientz> hmm dunno if that link will work
[18:14] <TheSheep> Sientz: can't add anhthing to what he already said :/
[18:14] <Sientz> lol
[18:15] <TheSheep> Sientz: if the options you tried don't work, it is possible that recent kernels won't run on your laptop at all without some advanced magick
[18:18] <Sientz> like what?
[18:18] <Sientz> so basically I should just say fuck it? lol
[18:18] <TheSheep> I'd try knoppix to see if it boots
[18:19] <TheSheep> if not, there is a large chance that it's a really advanced problem
[18:20] <Sientz> i just find it funny that I am going to have like 10 cd's laying around of various linux things just to try and get one thing to work
[18:20] <Sientz> i'm about to run out of blank cd's
[18:20] <TheSheep> well, you can stop at any moment you want
[18:21] <TheSheep> it's a hard problem you encountered
[18:21] <Sientz> stopping = admitting defeat/failure
[18:21] <TheSheep> harware incompatibility is a nasty thing in linux world, although pretty rare recently
[18:21] <TheSheep> Sientz: nah
[18:22] <Sientz> if I stop
[18:22] <Sientz> then I do not learn anything
[18:22] <TheSheep> Sientz: how far you want to go? you can write your own kernel that will work ;)
[18:22] <Sientz> how?
[18:22] <TheSheep> of course, I don't say you should stop
[18:22] <Sientz> i mean I want to have a GUI
[18:22] <Sientz> i dunno crap about linux
[18:22] <Sientz> lol
[18:22] <Sientz> only one way to learn how to swim though
[18:22] <TheSheep> I'm just saying that if you don't like it, don't do it
[18:23] <Sientz> i'm not saying I dont like it...i'm just saying I am having bad luck with it so far lol
[18:23] <TheSheep> I really have no more ideas
[18:23] <Obscurati> hey sheep
[18:23] <TheSheep> maybe there will be someone later with better ideas
[18:23] <TheSheep> Obscurati: hello
[18:23] <Sientz> i'll try this alpha and if that doesn't work I'll try the knoppix one I guess
[18:23] <Obscurati> any more ideas about audacity freezing on record :-) ?
[18:24] <TheSheep> Obscurati: did I tell you to try to strace it already? :)
[18:24] <Obscurati> ja, it froze the machine
[18:24] <Sientz> that page is all in german or something
[18:24] <Obscurati> it doesn't have a shitload of memory at the moment.
[18:24] <Sientz> www.knoppix.org lol
[18:24] <Obscurati> so's yer name
[18:24] <TheSheep> !language
[18:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:24] <TheSheep> thanks
[18:25] <Sientz> can you say buttload?
[18:25] <TheSheep> Obscurati: I guess I can't think of nothing new
[18:25] <TheSheep> Sientz: no idea, do I look like a linguist?
[18:25] <Sientz> !language
[18:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:25] <TheSheep> Sientz: it's not even my native language
[18:26] <Sientz> you dont 'look' like anything really, just like some text letters floating around in the air
[18:26] <Sientz> I imagine you have wool all over your body though
[18:26] <Sientz> does it itch?
[18:26] <TheSheep> Sientz: and linguists usually don't look like that, right? ;)
[18:26] <Sientz> I wouldn't know, the only one i've seen is that chick on star trek
[18:28] <Obscurati> actually, the one linguist i know looks like a hairy yard gnome.
[18:28] <Obscurati> not sheeplike, but certainly hairy
[18:28] <Sientz> so how about... "knoppix v5.1.1cd-2007-01-04-EN.iso" ??
[18:29] <Obscurati> sheep - do you know anything about brl-cad ?
[18:30] <TheSheep> Obscurati: no
[18:30] <Obscurati> it seems that there are few open source 3d cad apps
[18:31] <Obscurati> one of the few i found was a military app that is used for electromagnetic modelling and design of battle vehicles.
[18:31] <Obscurati> sounds like overkill for someone who likes modelling geodesic domes :-)
[18:31] <Obscurati> "this is my battle-hardened geodesic dome."
[18:32] <Obscurati> http://brlcad.org/
[18:32] <Obscurati> "Solid Modelling for a strong Defense" from the Army Research Laboratory.
[18:36] <Sientz> kinda crazy
[18:36] <Sientz> that tank thing looks pretty cool
[18:37] <Sientz> Stryker ICV
[18:37] <Obscurati> just funny that the shooting people department provides penguinista cad :-)
[18:37] <Obscurati> it's kind of like darth vader bringing you cookies and a birthday present.
[18:38] <Sientz> i could see him doing that...
[18:38] <Sientz> he's not all bad
[18:38] <Obscurati> of course not
[18:39] <Sientz> i ordered a new video card and mouse for my desktop...i can't wait till it gets here
[18:39] <Obscurati> i'm settnig up a laptop so that i can spend a few months on the road w/o a desktop
[18:39] <Sientz> set mine up too?
[18:40] <Obscurati> you gotta take the pain to get good at it
[18:40] <Sientz> that hardy alternate is going slow man
[18:40] <Obscurati> considering that it all runs on donated bandwidth, be grateful :-)
[18:40] <Sientz> the knoppix download is going like 700 KB ps
[18:40] <Sientz> the hardy is going like 130 lol
[18:40] <Sientz> sorry now its like 850 and 75
[18:41] <Sientz> lol
[18:41] <Obscurati> ubuntu is more popular
[18:41] <Obscurati> 'coz it is generally less annoying to set up :-)
[18:41] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: gimme knoppix link...
[18:41] <Sientz> ummm
[18:42] <Sientz> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V5.1.1CD-2007-01-04-EN.iso
[18:42] <Obscurati> he'll slow it down! equality!
[18:42] <Obscurati> :-)
[18:42] <Sientz> not with his dial-up speeds ;) j/k
[18:43] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: who is on dial-up here...
[18:43] <Sientz> are you IN india or just from india? heh
[18:43] <Sientz> you
[18:43] <Sientz> as a joke
[18:43] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: yes...
[18:43] <Sientz> yes which? lol
[18:43] <Sientz> in or from?
[18:43] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: then..whts soo funny..
[18:44] <Sientz> he said you will slow down my download of knoppix ;) and I said not with your dial-up speeds...nevermind
[18:44] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: if he siad that...then let me remind him that i own a 8mbps connection...
[18:44] <Sientz> wow
[18:45] <Sientz> they have that in india?
[18:45] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: yes...
[18:45] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: even morr...
[18:45] <Obscurati> india probably has a more advanced infrastructure than here because what they have is much newer
[18:45] <Sientz> thats cool, I just upgraded to 16mbps a few weeks ago =D
[18:45] <Obscurati> my gf is from tamil nadu :-)
[18:45] <Indiadev_Techie> Sientz: ths gr8...
[18:46] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: u frm ???
[18:46] <Obscurati> wisconsin, usa :-)
[18:46] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: im frm Mumbai...
[18:46] <Obscurati> in the neighborhood
[18:47] <Obscurati> if things go well, i will get to see it (mumbai) this fall
[18:47] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: hmm...is that true ???
[18:47] <Obscurati> and if i'm really lucky, i'll get to drive a tata nano :-)
[18:48] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: how do ya know so much..
[18:48] <Obscurati> i known very little, but I am open to the prospect of moving to india, so I listen to everything i hear.
[18:49] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: wht do ya do...???
[18:49] <Obscurati> programmer. lisp, smalltalk, python, scheme.
[18:49] <Obscurati> though i'd like to work on some engineering projects
[18:49] <Obscurati> heliostatic water condenser, things like that.
[18:51] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: that cool..Me >>>  student....studying Animation,Visual Effects, Special Effects & Cinematics ...
[18:51] <Obscurati> gonna do bollywood sci-fi? :-)
[18:52] <Obscurati> you use linux professionally?
[18:52] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: no...but gettin used to it..i m currently trying ubuntu studio
[18:53] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: bollywood >> will work ther id feel so...
[18:54] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: wanna work on my own projects/concepts...
[18:54] <Obscurati> i use a mac, formerly a next and an sgi. i got xubuntu for my old laptop -- a lot has changed since i last looked! in a lot of respects, its giving crApple a run for their money, even in the eyecandy department (compiz, etc)
[18:55] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but v cannot compare apple wid ubuntu or ubuntu wid apple...they stand their own place...
[18:55] <Obscurati> i think the distinction is becoming less important. apple has some proprietary technologies that outpace everyone else -- especially with type rendering -- and they have commercial software support that linuxen do not...
[18:55] <Obscurati> but... the gap is closing.
[18:55] <mvoltz> quick question, what is the package for the x11 headers and libraries called for apt-get?
[18:56] <Obscurati> should be installed with x...
[18:56] <Obscurati> or on your install cd?
[18:56] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but im still lookin for Apples Final Cut Studio like software for linux to work on...
[18:56] <mvoltz> haven't checked the cd yet
[18:56] <Obscurati> check the cd :-)
[18:57] <Obscurati> idev -- it looks like we're a ways off from that yet, but again, closing fast.
[18:57] <Obscurati> i'm presently shopping CAD applications
[18:58] <Obscurati> and the best one i can find that is open source is a military design tool
[18:58] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: Autocad ???
[18:58] <Obscurati> that's neat and everything, but a friendlier design-oriented tool just isn't available
[18:58] <Obscurati> brl-cad
[18:58] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: did u try Maxon Cinema 4D Architecture edition...
[18:59] <Obscurati> i use VectorWorks on the mac
[18:59] <Obscurati> i use it with mathematica to create a lot of the shapes i work with
[18:59] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but did ya try Maxon C4D archi....???
[19:00] <Obscurati> noe
[19:00] <Obscurati> haven't tried maxon for a long time
[19:00] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: check it out at www.maxon.net
[19:00] <Obscurati> have you tried blender, btw ?
[19:01] <Obscurati> it's an open source 3d modelling app
[19:01] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: yes...i have tried it...
[19:01] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: its cool man...
[19:01] <Obscurati> it's got a ways to go, but it's ours -- its free :-)
[19:02] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but the menu/interface gets tooo messy wid me...
[19:02] <Obscurati> thats a problem with a lot of apps.
[19:02] <Obscurati> maya is like that, too
[19:02] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but still tryin learning blender...
[19:03] <mvoltz> weird, when i put the cd in nothing is showing up in /media/cdrom, cdrom0, or cdrom1
[19:03] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: ya...v 7.0 was gr8...8.5 nd 2008 really messup...
[19:03] <Obscurati> mvoltz - try restarting. i've had that here
[19:03] <Obscurati> check mtab
[19:03] <Obscurati> and see what's mounted
[19:03] <Obscurati> cat /etc/mtab
[19:04] <mvoltz> hmmm...no cd-rom device mounted
[19:04] <mvoltz> rebooting
[19:04] <mvoltz> brb
[19:04] <Obscurati> you try eject and reinsert?
[19:05] <Obscurati> idev - still using 8 here
[19:05] <mvoltz> yeah, I tried my other drive too
[19:05] <Obscurati> "using."
[19:05] <Obscurati> for modelling, i like lightwave
[19:05] <Obscurati> i grew up on an amiga, which is where lightwave came from, so it's familiar, if not the absolutely best.
[19:05] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: using v8...but v2008 is already out...
[19:06] <Obscurati> i don't usually upgrade until there's a compelling reason.
[19:06] <Obscurati> when office 98 shipped for the mac, I was still using Word 5.1 :-)
[19:07] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but we need to upgrade  according to the release cycle...
[19:07] <Obscurati> who is we ?
[19:07] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: MAAC Students...
[19:08] <Obscurati> the general rule is that once you start having to pay for it, you'll either become a pirate, or upgrade when you have to only :-)
[19:09] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: v use lisenced n genuine software...
[19:09] <Obscurati> at school, i mean, in industry.
[19:09] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: but now v use both 8.5 nd v r testing 2008..
[19:10] <Obscurati> when i was in school, i worked with a networking company that did a lot of businesses, and I was totally shocked by the amount of piracy.
[19:10] <Obscurati> i'm not surprised when people do it, but when businesses do it...
[19:10] <Obscurati> and there were companies, huge companies, that were using millions worth of software they'd not paid for.
[19:10] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: i said >>  v use lisenced n genuine software...
[19:10] <Obscurati> ja.
[19:10] <Obscurati> i'm just saying, it's an industry practice, or used to be.
[19:11] <Obscurati> not condoning it
[19:11] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: hmm..O:-)
[19:11] <Obscurati> but being a slave to an upgrade cycle is the same as being a slave to someone else's revenue cycle. :-)
[19:12] <Indiadev_Techie> Obscurati: why not join #ubuntu-offtopic...
[19:12] <Obscurati> a friend and i were talking about how we got started, and all of the things that had got us excited had happened on machines running betten 1 and 25mhz
[19:13] <Indiadev_Techie>  Obscurati: join #ubuntu-offtopic ...im already ther...
[19:19] <mvoltz> got the cd-rom working, but still can't get the fluxbox config script to find the X Windows libraries
[19:20] <Obscurati> this sounds like a question for theSheep
[19:21] <mvoltz> is he idle?
[19:22] <Obscurati> theSheep is. he comes and goes, dispensing wisdom when he's present. :-)
[19:22] <Obscurati> i'm sorry i can't be more help, the more advanced x stuff isn't my strength.
[19:23] <mvoltz> its ok, I appreciate the attempt
[19:24] <Obscurati> have you tried ubuntu general? it's noisy in there, but people are often awake
[19:25] <Obscurati> if you an basically summarize your problem to a concise paragraph so someone can see it all at once through the noise, you stand even money chance of help :-)
[19:25] <mvoltz> not yet
[19:25] <mvoltz> I'll try that
[19:25] <mvoltz> thanks
[19:38] <TheSheep> mvoltz: I think there was a channel for fluxbuntu
[19:38] <TheSheep> mvoltz: tyri nstalling xorg-dev
[19:38] <TheSheep> try
[19:39] <mvoltz> thanks
[19:40] <mvoltz> omg ur awesome
[19:40] <TheSheep> mvoltz: if tha tdoesn't help, open the script file in some editor, search for the text of the messgae you get, look around that place to see what files it is checking for, then use the search on http://packages.ubuntu.com to find it
[19:40] <mvoltz> thanks dude
[19:41] <TheSheep> yw
[19:41] <mvoltz> seems to be working
[19:41] <mvoltz> thank you so much
[19:43] <mvoltz> I'm so used to using yum and going yum list |greo <package>
[19:43] <TheSheep> dpkg -l | grep package
[19:43] <TheSheep> or apt-cache search package
[19:44] <mvoltz> sweet
[19:46] <mvoltz> time to see if it worked
[19:46] <mvoltz> brb
[19:58] <mvoltz> one last question, do you know what file I need to edit to get fluxbox listed as one of my session choices?
[19:58] <TheSheep> mvoltz: I think you need to create a .desktop file in /usr/share/sessions/
[19:59] <TheSheep> xsessions
[19:59] <TheSheep> sorry
[20:00] <mvoltz> sweet
[20:00] <mvoltz> thanks
[20:04] <mvoltz> try it again
[20:04] <mvoltz> lol
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[20:10] <Sientz> hmmm
[20:10] <Sientz> the hardy alternate iso is 735 mb which is bigger than an 80 minute cd
[20:10] <TheSheep> :(
[20:10] <Sientz> whats the deal with that? lol
[20:10] <TheSheep> Sientz: seems like they put too much stuff into it
[20:11] <Sientz> i guess its for dvd
[20:11] <TheSheep> Sientz: it's under development, you know
[20:11] <Sientz> yeah
[20:11] <TheSheep> Sientz: no, it just came out too big today because someone added something and didn't remove something else
[20:11] <Sientz> well I'll burn the knoppix then
[20:12] <Sientz> at 1x
[20:12] <Sientz> 150 kb/s
[20:12] <Sientz> lol
[20:22] <slafko> hello! I tried to install samsung scx-4521f with official unified printer driver...instalation was unsuccesfull and after that I get this : sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[20:29] <Obscurati> not in the sudo group?
[20:29] <Obscurati> not in group admin ?
[20:37] <slafko> Obscurati: i can't even start "users and groups"
[20:37] <Obscurati> that's kind of the problem
[20:37] <Obscurati> you cannot do admin things because you're not an admin
[20:37] <Obscurati> users and groups is an admin thing
[20:37] <Obscurati> you may need to boot up in recovery mode to do this.
[20:38] <slafko> i guess printer instalation changed permission
[20:38] <Obscurati> i would get a second opinion from someone else, but i think what's probably going on is your account isnt in the admin group
[20:38] <Obscurati> that's odd.
[20:38] <Obscurati> this started since the printer installation?
[20:38] <Obscurati> did anything else noticeably change/
[20:38] <slafko> no, after printer instalation
[20:38] <Obscurati> and have you simply tried rebooting?
[20:38] <Obscurati> right ok
[20:39] <slafko> yes, but then i can't get X
[20:39] <slafko> is there any way to check groups and users in terminal?
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[22:55] <slafko> hello...
[22:56] <slafko> how to disable system beep in xfce?
[23:00] <cnstarz> how do i install the latest nvidia drivers for my 8800gtx?
[23:01] <cnstarz> this is a clean install that im on and just applied 105 updates
[23:01] <slafko> did you try via restricted manager?
[23:01] <cnstarz> nope, i dont really know what that is
[23:01] <cnstarz> im new to ubuntu/xubunut
[23:02] <slafko> find system--restricted manager
[23:02] <cnstarz> do i put that in a terminal window?
[23:02] <slafko> no
[23:02] <cnstarz> ah i found it
[23:03] <cnstarz> ok i guess i should Enable "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)"?
[23:03] <slafko> you're right
[23:03] <slafko> manager will do the rest
[23:03] <cnstarz> will hi have to uninstall anything before doing so?  like current drivers?
[23:04] <slafko> you said it's a clean install
[23:04] <cnstarz> right
[23:04] <cnstarz> i suppose there are no drivers then lol
[23:04] <slafko> so you don't have uninstall any drivers
[23:04] <cnstarz> alrighty, thanks man
[23:05] <slafko> restart and come back to say if compiz is working
[23:05] <cnstarz> will do
[23:07] <cnstarz> woo works
[23:08] <cnstarz> now to see if it works on my 51" hdtv
[23:08] <cnstarz> should it work by default?
[23:08] <cnstarz> tv is connected thru component into my 8800gtx
[23:10] <cnstarz> brb