| [01:31] <fdoving> am i the only one with a broken kdm/something on hardy? - it pisses me off when it freezes when i change from X to some vt, and when i logout from kde (to kdm). grr. | |
| [02:16] <nixternal> does anyone know if the KOrganizer MSExchange Plugin is installed as a part of KOrganizer, or is there a package for it somewhere? | |
| === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve | |
| [02:41] <nixternal> has 3.5.9 been backported to Gutsy by chance? | |
| [02:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee or ScottK: since Riddell isn't around, what do you think about bug 138950 | |
| [02:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138950 in kdepim "[gutsy] Search for 'email' in gnome-app-install does not find kontact" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138950 | |
| [03:20] <vorian> yay! | |
| [03:20] <vorian> done with work for the day | |
| [03:20] <vorian> man this week was long | |
| === claydoh__ is now known as claydoh | |
| [04:05] <nixternal> woo, up to 106 fixed bugs! | |
| [04:21] <vorian> nixternal: you teh awesome | |
| [07:04] <ScottK2> nixternal: 105. That akregator thing still happens for me. | |
| [07:07] <nixternal> which one is that? | |
| [07:07] <nixternal> I have worked on so much akregator stuff | |
| [07:10] <ScottK2> Bug #82594 | |
| [07:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82594 in kdepim "Akregrator starts automatically in Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82594 | |
| [07:16] <nixternal> are you using 3.5.9? | |
| [07:16] <ScottK2> Yes | |
| [07:17] <ScottK2> I even updated one more time just to be sure right before I tested it. | |
| [07:18] <nixternal> hrmm, if I fire up Kontact, it doesn't start..if I fire up Akregator, then log out and log back on, Akregator isn't starting back up | |
| [07:18] <nixternal> if it is still doing it, then it is the KDE save state that is getting you and not akregator | |
| [07:19] <ScottK2> Start Kontact. Don't start Akregator. Reboot with Kontact running. I get Akregator running after the reboot. | |
| [07:19] <ScottK2> That's slightly different than what you describe testing. | |
| [07:20] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't get that...it must be a stuck config possibly for you? | |
| [07:20] <nixternal> Akregator doesn't start up here until I tell it to | |
| [07:20] <nixternal> I even have "Show Icon" selected | |
| [07:20] <ScottK2> Unlikely since I've never used Akregator on that machine, I think it's unlikely | |
| [07:20] <ScottK2> It's all default and it does it with more than one user. | |
| [07:21] * nixternal gives it another shot | |
| [07:23] <nixternal> OK, does it automatically check your feeds or no? | |
| [07:24] <nixternal> it doesn't check my feeds until I actually hit the "check all feeds" button | |
| [07:25] <nixternal> nixternal@ShakaDoobie:~$ ps -e |grep akregator | |
| [07:25] <nixternal> nixternal@ShakaDoobie:~$ | |
| [07:25] <nixternal> nada | |
| [07:25] <ScottK2> Weird. For me as soon as it's running I have the Akgregator icon telling me how many unread I have. | |
| [07:25] <serega> Hey | |
| [07:26] <ScottK2> I'll try and fiddle with it some more and see if I can replicate it on another box. | |
| [07:26] <nixternal> I have the Akregator icon, but it isn't checking my feeds until I hit the downloads | |
| [07:26] <nixternal> hiya serega | |
| [07:26] <nixternal> well, one thing too about Akregator, none of the KDE 3 bugs are going to be fixed upstream apparently either | |
| [07:26] <ScottK2> nixternal: If you have the icon, then Akregator is running. | |
| [07:27] <ScottK2> That's a bug. | |
| [07:27] * nixternal thinks it is time to write a solid feed reader | |
| [07:27] <ScottK2> I'm outta gas. I'm off to bed. Good night. | |
| [07:27] <nixternal> ScottK2: I can have it not show the icon, but akregator isn't showing up anywhere as running | |
| [07:27] <nixternal> g'nite | |
| [07:27] <ScottK2> So why does the icon show up? | |
| [07:27] <nixternal> cuz I tell it to | |
| [07:28] <ScottK2> But I never did. | |
| [07:28] <nixternal> ahhhh, I see what you are saying | |
| [07:28] <ScottK2> Really going to bed now. | |
| [07:28] <nixternal> I didn't start it actually before I logged out | |
| [07:28] <nixternal> however it did show up | |
| [07:28] <ScottK> Yes. | |
| [07:28] <ScottK> Not there before reboot. There after. Not what it should be. | |
| [07:28] <nixternal> still isn't checking anything, and akregator doesn't show in sys info until I run a feed grab | |
| [07:29] <ScottK> It's doing something it wasn't before. | |
| [07:29] <ScottK> Off to bed. No. Really. | |
| [07:29] <nixternal> I see what you are saying, then I guess that is a bug, the icon shouldn't start up, but you can prevent the icon and it not checking by selecting those 2 options | |
| [07:29] <serega> where to file issues of hardy? I believe there is separate bugtracker | |
| [07:29] <nixternal> hehe, g'nite | |
| [07:29] <nixternal> nope | |
| [07:29] <nixternal> serega: all the same bug tracker | |
| [07:29] <serega> ScottK: good night | |
| [07:30] <serega> oh, ok, how do we know the issue is about hardy? tags? | |
| [07:31] <nixternal> add the information that is a hardy bug, or start off the subject of the report with [Hardy], or as you said, tag it as hardy :) | |
| [07:31] <serega> thanks ;) | |
| [08:18] * serega masters packaging voodoo | |
| [08:42] <jussi01> Riddell: good morning sir! | |
| [08:47] <Riddell> hola | |
| [08:50] <serega> Riddell: hey, Jonathan | |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | |
| [09:30] <serega> I am performing "pbuilder create --distribution hardy". is it right distribution? | |
| [09:38] <serega> I mean doesn't it point to GNOME-based one? | |
| [09:44] <hunger> serega: I am no expert, but I think you are doing the right thing. | |
| [09:44] <hunger> serega: AFAIK the pbuilder is a very bare bones system that pulls in everything listed as a build dependency in the deb you are building. | |
| [10:30] <Hobbsee> serega: it is, yes | |
| [10:33] <serega> oh... I see. The first "pbuilder build" is downloading kubuntu now :) | |
| [10:36] <Hobbsee> pbuilder is dm-neutral | |
| [10:40] <yao_ziyuan> poor smarter, where r u | |
| [10:41] <yao_ziyuan> but since smarter has pointed out how to install input methods in kubuntu correctly: | |
| [10:41] <yao_ziyuan> install scim-skim-pinyin | |
| [10:41] <yao_ziyuan> QT_IM_MODULE=... | |
| [10:41] <yao_ziyuan> GTK_IM_MODULE=... | |
| [10:42] <yao_ziyuan> you developers should already know how to fix that bug | |
| [10:43] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: patches accepted. | |
| [10:43] <yao_ziyuan> sigh | |
| [10:43] <Hobbsee> sigh back. | |
| [10:45] <yao_ziyuan> anyone with a fresh kubuntu please do this experiment: | |
| [10:45] <yao_ziyuan> install the package scim-skim-pinyin | |
| [10:45] <yao_ziyuan> then go to Konsole, | |
| [10:45] <serega> Hobbsee: yes, I understand. It's just dependencies of my package :) | |
| [10:45] <yao_ziyuan> press Ctrl+Space, and then type "wo" | |
| [10:45] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% apt-cache show scim-skim-pinyin 9:45PM | |
| [10:45] <Hobbsee> W: Unable to locate package scim-skim-pinyin | |
| [10:45] <Hobbsee> E: No packages found | |
| [10:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% apt-cache search scim-skim 9:45PM | |
| [10:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% | |
| [10:46] <Hobbsee> ? | |
| [10:46] <yao_ziyuan> or skim-scim-pinyin | |
| [10:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying: did you have a patch still for uploading for skim, btw? | |
| [10:47] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: ah yes, that actually exists. | |
| [10:47] <yao_ziyuan> install that package | |
| [10:47] <yao_ziyuan> and "smarter" says he then gets chinese input | |
| [10:48] <yao_ziyuan> go to a text field like the one in Run Command | |
| [10:48] * Hobbsee wonders why smarter hasn't provided a patch either yet, then. | |
| [10:48] <yao_ziyuan> right-click it, select "Input Method" in the menu | |
| [10:48] <Hobbsee> smarter is a dev, no? | |
| [10:48] <yao_ziyuan> smarter is someone here days ago | |
| [10:48] <yao_ziyuan> but i haven't seen him since | |
| [10:49] <Hobbsee> blink | |
| [10:49] <Hobbsee> mq, you suck. | |
| [10:49] <yao_ziyuan> Hobbsee: after installing that package, | |
| [10:50] <emonkey> yao_ziyuan, I've installed that package but it happens nothing if I press ctrl-space and type wo | |
| [10:50] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: in a text box? | |
| [10:50] <emonkey> in a konsole | |
| [10:50] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: maybe a re-login is needed | |
| [10:50] <emonkey> ok, then I'll try that later | |
| [10:50] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: in Run Command's text field, right click, and in the "Input Method" menu select "SCIM" | |
| [10:51] <yao_ziyuan> K Menu -> Run Command -> Right click in the text box -> Select "Select Input Method" -> Select "Smart Common Input Method" | |
| [10:52] <emonkey> Yes I did that | |
| [10:52] <yao_ziyuan> i think the best way is to go to #ubuntu-devel and call for help | |
| [10:52] <yao_ziyuan> since ubuntu developers know better in scim setup | |
| [10:53] <emonkey> o_O I don't need it, i just want to help testing the package ... | |
| [10:53] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: "smarter" said after installing that package he could type chinese ... | |
| [10:54] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: by selecting "scim" in the right click menu of a text box | |
| [10:54] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: and for k apps that don't offer a "Select Input Method" right-click menu item, he can use "QT_IM_MODULE=scim" to solve it | |
| [10:55] <emonkey> konversation offers this option too | |
| [10:55] <emonkey> but I don't how its possible to type chinese ... | |
| [10:55] <blizzzek> that bulletproofx-thing in hardy is half-working. i can configure it, but a blank black screen follows. when i restart kdm via tty, it starts with the configured settings. | |
| [11:01] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: if you ctrl+space and type "wo" and some chinese characters show up in a floating window, you succeed | |
| [11:03] <yao_ziyuan> i recall now | |
| [11:03] <yao_ziyuan> what 'smarter' said is this: | |
| [11:03] <yao_ziyuan> 1. install "skim-scim-pinyin" | |
| [11:03] <emonkey> done | |
| [11:03] <yao_ziyuan> 2. possibily restart your session or computer | |
| [11:03] <emonkey> not done, but I'll do that lazer | |
| [11:03] <yao_ziyuan> 3. in K Menu -> Run Command, press Ctrl+Space, and type "wo", you should see chinese chars popping up | |
| [11:04] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: you're in kubuntu right? | |
| [11:04] <emonkey> of course I've got nothin else ;) | |
| [11:04] <yao_ziyuan> i'm watching a downloaded movie now. | |
| [11:33] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I prefer to sync from sid | |
| [11:33] <Hobbsee> freeflying: right. did that get done? | |
| [11:34] <freeflying> Hobbsee: yes, it hit the archie today | |
| [11:34] <Hobbsee> oh good | |
| [11:35] <freeflying> Hobbsee: and also I hope to drop skim out of cd, and make it install after scim, then it can work fine in kubuntu now | |
| [11:35] <Hobbsee> nice | |
| [11:36] <freeflying> Hobbsee: or we'd have a postinst in language-pack-kde-zh, make it call the configure of skim, then everything will be ok(for CJK user) | |
| [11:36] * Hobbsee nods | |
| [11:37] <freeflying> Hobbsee: do we need to talk with pitt | |
| [11:38] <Hobbsee> freeflying: unsure. ask him anyway | |
| [11:38] <freeflying> or ArneGoetje, he is the right one now in charge of CJK support in canonical | |
| [11:40] <freeflying> Hobbsee: can we have a stable kde4 livecd now? | |
| [11:42] <Hobbsee> unsure, tbh | |
| [11:42] <Hobbsee> i think so | |
| [11:47] <serega> every "pbuilder build" it reinstalls a bunch of packages, is it normal? | |
| [11:49] <freeflying> serega: pbuilder has a bit difference between buildd | |
| [11:50] <jpatrick> afternoon | |
| [11:50] <serega> do you mean somebody made changes to some packages between two builds? | |
| [11:50] <freeflying> serega: no, I mean the way they work | |
| [11:51] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi | |
| [11:51] <serega> jpatrick: hi | |
| [11:51] <jpatrick> :-) | |
| [11:52] <serega> freeflying: so I should just ignore that? | |
| [11:52] <serega> btw, very nice book "The Ubuntu Packaging Guide" | |
| [11:53] <freeflying> serega: not sure :) | |
| [11:54] <jpatrick> serega: there's a book on that? | |
| [11:54] <serega> freeflying: oh... I'll dig on that :) | |
| [11:55] <serega> jpatrick: yes, it is. nice PDF | |
| [11:55] <jpatrick> serega: where? | |
| [11:55] <serega> jpatrick: as I can see it is formed from several ubuntu wiki articles | |
| [11:55] <serega> sec.. | |
| [11:56] <serega> jpatrick: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf | |
| [11:56] <jpatrick> serega: ahh, that's _old_, I helped write bits of it | |
| [11:56] <serega> jpatrick: well done, it's really very good | |
| [11:57] <jpatrick> serega: might be a bit outdated.. | |
| [11:57] <serega> jpatrick: how do you think, doesn't it outdated? | |
| [11:57] <serega> :( | |
| [11:57] <serega> jpatrick: what can you advice to absolute beginner? | |
| [11:58] <serega> in packaging | |
| [11:58] <jpatrick> serega: wait, I'm trying to get one I wrote on alioth | |
| [12:00] <jpatrick> serega: enjoy: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/kubuntu-tutorials-day-packaging.pdf | |
| [12:00] <serega> jpatrick: thank you! | |
| [12:01] <serega> I think it is the first thing to read for newcomers | |
| [12:01] <serega> my greatest troubles and delays was about misunderstanding of packaging issues | |
| [12:01] <jpatrick> "tutorials day" | |
| [12:01] <serega> :( | |
| [12:01] <jpatrick> packaging is an art :) | |
| [12:02] <serega> jpatrick: it a magic :) | |
| [12:02] <serega> *it's | |
| [12:02] <jpatrick> any problems just ask us :) | |
| [12:02] <serega> thanks, guys | |
| [12:03] <jpatrick> and hopefully you day you'll join the... | |
| [12:03] <jpatrick> !motu | |
| [12:03] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | |
| [12:05] <serega> jpatrick: kool)) | |
| [12:05] <serega> I have some packages to add to universe... | |
| [12:05] <jpatrick> oh, we're in feature freeze right now, so they'll be for ibix | |
| [12:06] <serega> it's ok, the main problem I have no packages at all and cannot make it :) | |
| [12:06] <serega> drivers for my printer | |
| [12:14] <blizzzek> w00t, in hardy, every mouseclick is a doubleclick... | |
| [12:41] <yao_ziyuan> i've done watching that movie | |
| [12:41] <yao_ziyuan> glad to see you guys settle that bug | |
| [12:46] <yao_ziyuan> so i can quit bothering this channel any more | |
| [12:46] <jpatrick> hmm | |
| [12:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're on crack | |
| [12:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please use bughelper for finding crash dupes. | |
| [12:52] <Hobbsee> for your own sanity. | |
| [12:52] <Hobbsee> there are recipes on hwo to do it - ask dholbach, or look them up yourself | |
| === John4rper is now known as GNUoso | |
| [12:56] <Hobbsee> !visternal | |
| [12:56] <ubotu> Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | |
| [12:57] <jussi01> hehe | |
| [12:58] <Hobbsee> these crazy people who do by hand what there are tools for. | |
| [13:23] <iRon> Quassel alpha is out! Trying it now.. | |
| === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai | |
| [14:44] <jpatrick> iRon: ooh, quassel | |
| [14:44] <iRon> yep :) | |
| [14:44] * jpatrick still prefers irssi | |
| [15:06] <serega> jpatrick: is there a centralized store of "Packaging 101" logs? I would like to make a russian translation for them | |
| [15:07] <jpatrick> serega: I have the latex source if that's what you want | |
| [15:07] <serega> jpatrick: It would be great | |
| [15:08] * jpatrick msgs | |
| [15:15] <jpatrick> gah, everyone loves my latex | |
| [15:16] <Jucato> (kinky) | |
| [15:16] <jpatrick> Jucato: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dragonplayer.html | |
| [15:16] <Jucato> woot :) | |
| [15:18] <jpatrick> serega, IppatsuMan: please send your translations to jpatrick@kubuntu.org so I can tell everyone else | |
| [15:19] <serega> jpatrick: okay | |
| [15:20] <IppatsuMan> jpatrick: ok :) | |
| [15:22] <Jucato> jpatrick: okies | |
| [15:22] <jpatrick> Jucato: ? | |
| [15:23] <Jucato> oh I thought we were playing a game.. "say 'ok' to jpatrick" | |
| [15:23] <jpatrick> Jucato: rofl | |
| === xRaich[o12x is now known as xRaich[o]2x | |
| === uga_ is now known as uga | |
| [17:23] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have a problem with kubuntu-es.org.. | |
| [18:23] <jpatrick> hi jjesse | |
| [18:24] <jjesse> hello jpatrick | |
| [18:24] <jjesse> any suggestions from anyone on how to troublshoot sounds not working after resuming hibernation or suspend on gutsy? | |
| [18:28] <ryanakca> Any suggestion from anyone on how to run amarok in KDE4? | |
| [18:28] <jjesse> ryanakca: it just runs in my gutsy kde4 | |
| [18:28] <jjesse> but that is the kde3 version of amarok | |
| [18:28] <ryanakca> eh, nevermind, bug 191327 also happens in hardy | |
| [18:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191327 in kdelibs "7.10: en_CA causes KDE apps to fail to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191327 | |
| [18:31] <ryanakca> jjesse: umm... d'you know if its kernel related or ? | |
| [18:32] <ryanakca> jjesse: try running this and then checking for anything unusual http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aadebug | |
| [18:35] <jjesse> running script now | |
| [18:36] <jjesse> what am i looking for in that script? | |
| [18:37] <crimsun_> that's the wrong script | |
| [18:37] <crimsun_> you want the one mentioned in the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki | |
| [18:37] <crimsun_> (alsa-info.sh) | |
| [18:38] <ryanakca> jjesse: crimsun_ == sound genius, don't listen to me :) | |
| [18:38] <crimsun_> (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems) | |
| [18:40] <jjesse> crimsun_: ok working on that script | |
| [18:42] <jjesse> interseting getting an unxpected operator when i run that script | |
| [18:43] <crimsun_> you need to run it with bash as noted. | |
| [18:44] <jjesse> ah sorry missed it | |
| [18:44] <jjesse> sould problely read everything | |
| [18:54] <jjesse> interseting script appears to be just sitting after i run it | |
| [19:00] <crimsun_> did you use --no-upload? | |
| [19:01] <jjesse> crimsun_: yes i did | |
| [19:01] <jjesse> and it "sits" after i hit yes to run the script | |
| [19:01] <crimsun_> ugh, so we need a sane state. Are you able to reboot, then run that script? | |
| [19:01] <jjesse> yeah i could | |
| [19:02] <jjesse> but sound works after i reboot | |
| [19:02] <jjesse> its only after resuming from hibernate/suspend | |
| [19:02] <crimsun_> right, but we need a debugging starting point. | |
| [19:02] <jjesse> ok rebooting | |
| [19:02] <crimsun_> if we can't pull the necessary info, it doesn't really matter | |
| [19:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I do use bughelper, not the biggest fan of it, but when it works it works | |
| [19:05] <jjesse> and back | |
| [19:05] <jjesse> ok ran script where does it dump the data? | |
| [19:06] <nixternal> sound problems I take it if you are dumping data for crimsun_ to look at | |
| [19:06] <jjesse> yes | |
| [19:06] <nixternal> !pastebin | |
| [19:06] <nixternal> :p | |
| [19:06] <nixternal> that's where I always put it | |
| [19:06] <jjesse> yeah i ran the script w/ --no-upload | |
| [19:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | |
| [19:08] <jjesse> nixternal: don't have to go thorugh chicago today to travel... heading directly to atlanta :) | |
| [19:09] <jjesse> ok time to get ready to board be back when in hotel | |
| [19:13] <ryanakca> heh, he's always flying / travelling | |
| [19:18] <crimsun_> I thought I would be doing less travelling, but oh no. | |
| [19:18] <crimsun_> I guess that's what happens. | |
| [19:31] <nixternal> anyone with gutsy able to confirm bug 194830 | |
| [19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194830 in kubuntu-meta "usb stick not displayed anymore" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194830 | |
| === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde | |
| [20:55] <nixternal> hey, on a good note, all of those krunner crashes that delt with threading, well aseigo has seemingly fixed them and we should see them in 4.0.3! wooohoooo! | |
| [20:56] <nixternal> on a bad not, using images2mpg in kipi-tools sure can stress a cpu | |
| [20:56] <nixternal> ScottK: on another good note, the akregator icon issue has been fixed in trunk :) but we won't see that until 4.1 | |
| [20:59] <ScottK2> nixternal: Sounds great actually. | |
| [20:59] <nixternal> and on one more note, the mpg I just created, well it doesn't work in any player I have :p | |
| [20:59] <nixternal> bbiaf | |
| [20:59] <nixternal> break time | |
| [21:13] <jpatrick> anyone know a good ssh host with irssi? | |
| [21:21] <jpatrick> wb stdin | |
| [21:22] <stdin> for some reason kwin thinks I've got a key constantly pressed and only logout/in will fix it | |
| [21:22] <stdin> not fun when it thinks that key is F12 and I have yakuake running | |
| [21:22] <jpatrick> err :-/ :) | |
| === milian__ is now known as milian | |
| [22:21] <xRaich[o]2x> Hi. Is it normal that a lot of kde4 apps link against glib? | |
| [22:27] <xRaich[o]2x> I think it's pretty odd because the KDE team wanted the avahi team not to depend on glib. | |
| [22:37] * Nightrose is back home from fosdem | |
| [22:37] <Nightrose> it was great :) | |
| [22:41] <nosrednaekim> :) | |
| [22:41] <nosrednaekim> were you in that KDE group photo? | |
| [22:41] <Nightrose> jep | |
| [22:41] <Nightrose> lying next to riddell | |
| [22:41] <nosrednaekim> :) | |
| [22:41] <Nightrose> we had _a lot_ of fun | |
| === r0uzic is now known as r0uzic_ausente | |
| === uga is now known as uga|away | |