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[00:34] <eduardo> hello, one question: xubuntu is for older computer? |
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[00:35] <siggjen> xubuntu is for computers |
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[00:35] <siggjen> it works like a charm on my p3 700 |
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[00:35] <ceil420> it's the lightest flavour of Ubuntu, targeted at aging hardware, yeah |
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[00:35] <siggjen> and on my Q6600 |
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[00:35] <ceil420> not sure if you can install it on a 300MHz with 32mb RAM, though |
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[00:35] <siggjen> need 64 MB RAM minimum docs say |
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[00:36] <eduardo> well...I want say that...for example... |
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[00:36] <eduardo> I've a centrino 1,6Ghz with 512MB....but my ubuntu 7,10 goes very heavy... |
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[00:36] <siggjen> it will probably work better on old computers than kubunto or ubuntu |
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[00:37] <ceil420> heh that'll run Xubuntu fine :p |
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[00:37] <ceil420> i have a p4 1.7ghz with 512mb ram |
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[00:37] <eduardo> and I can use however software how in ubuntu ? |
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[00:37] <eduardo> with the same repository ? |
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[00:37] <ceil420> yeah, same repo's |
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[00:38] <ceil420> i think the main difference is that Xubuntu uses the Xfce desktop environment, instead of the bloatier GNOME and KDE DEs |
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[00:38] <eduardo> and how I can change my ubuntu for a xubuntu ? |
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[00:38] <eduardo> without lost anything |
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[00:39] <ceil420> you might wanna check with the folks in #ubuntu, but i'm pretty sure you just need to sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop |
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[00:39] <siggjen> correct |
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[00:39] <eduardo> so it's not a operative sistem, not? |
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[00:39] <eduardo> it's a.... |
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[00:39] <siggjen> it is |
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[00:39] <ceil420> it's just a lighter desktop environment |
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[00:40] <ceil420> compared to Ubuntu |
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[00:40] <ceil420> (Ubuntu is an OS) |
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[00:40] <siggjen> you can install gnome on xubuntu |
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[00:40] <eduardo> ubuntu is a OS but Xubuntu is how gnome or kde, no? |
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[00:40] <zoredache> ceil420: I don't think I agree... I would call gnu/linux an os |
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[00:40] <zoredache> and ubuntu/xubuntu a distrobution of gnu/linux |
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[00:41] <zoredache> but really it is all about semantics |
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[00:41] <ceil420> yeh, semantics >< |
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[00:41] <zoredache> xubuntu,ubuntu,xubuntu,* are all the same thing |
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[00:41] <ceil420> eduardo, Xubuntu doesn't use gnome or kde. It uses Xfce |
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[00:41] <zoredache> they just have install cds that choose different packages at install time |
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[00:41] <ceil420> Xfce is a lighter DE than those two; more suited for old hardware |
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[00:41] <zoredache> everything availbe on one, is available on another |
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[00:42] <eduardo> so I can do: apt-get install xubuntu ?? |
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[00:42] <ceil420> xubuntu-desktop, i believe |
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[00:42] <zoredache> eduardo: xubuntu-desktop |
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[00:43] <eduardo> ahmm...ok, wait I will do it and I tell you what happen |
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[00:44] <eduardo> it's downloading... |
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[01:01] <eduardo> hello again! |
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[01:01] <eduardo> Im using xubuntu/desktop.... |
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[01:01] <eduardo> but I-ve a problem |
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[01:02] <ceil420> ? |
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[01:02] <eduardo> with the keyboard... |
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[01:02] <eduardo> I use es and it-s us |
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[01:02] <eduardo> and... |
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[01:02] <eduardo> I cannot change it in System |
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[01:03] <ceil420> Xubuntu > Settings > Keyboard? |
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[01:03] <eduardo> in ubuntu I could do it |
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[01:03] <eduardo> yes, I cannot there |
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[01:04] <ceil420> eduardo, what if you uncheck 'Use X configuration'? |
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[01:05] <eduardo> I dont check it... |
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[01:05] <eduardo> I put the new configuration.... |
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[01:05] <eduardo> but don-t save the change |
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[01:06] <eduardo> and I change it, go to the first tab...to check the new configuration...but it-s not in spanish... |
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[01:07] <ceil420> sorry, i've never changed the layout, i just know where the keyboard preferences are :x |
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[01:07] <eduardo> can you try it... |
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[01:07] <eduardo> _ |
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[01:07] <eduardo> ? |
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[01:07] <ceil420> if no one else is active in here, maybe you can try #ubuntu (being sure to tell them you're on Xubuntu and not regular Ubuntu) |
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[01:08] <eduardo> but when I use gnome I can do it... |
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[01:09] <ceil420> it didn't save my settings either :x |
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[01:09] <eduardo> but when I change to xubuntu...the keyboard it-s not the same...and I cannot to change the configuration |
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[01:09] <ceil420> i just tried setting it from US to UK and it reverted to default :x |
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[01:09] <eduardo> yes! |
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[01:09] <eduardo> so it does not work, not_ |
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[01:09] <eduardo> ? |
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[01:09] <ceil420> i don't know how to make it work :x |
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[01:10] <eduardo> I think it can be a bug of xubuntu, not? |
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[01:10] <ceil420> possibly |
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[01:12] <eduardo> I am reading about it...its a general problem, not only me :-S |
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[01:13] <ceil420> i'm surprised, really :x i'm using 7.10, and Xubuntu's been around since at least 6.10 |
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[01:13] <ceil420> wouldn't think there'd be such a bug in it :x |
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[01:15] <eduardo> maybe yes! |
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[01:17] <eduardo> I solve it!! |
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[01:17] <ceil420> congratulations :) |
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[01:17] <ceil420> how'd you fix it? |
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[01:17] <eduardo> now I can use Ñ!! |
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[01:17] <eduardo> :-P |
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[01:17] <ceil420> i use a compose key to make Ñ :p |
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[01:18] <eduardo> you must change it in : /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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[01:18] <eduardo> and to reboot |
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[01:18] <ceil420> ah |
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[01:18] <ceil420> glad you got it working :) |
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[01:18] <eduardo> :-D |
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[01:19] <eduardo> so now is es for default, and I cannot change it...:-) |
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[01:20] <ceil420> at least you don't have to use us :p |
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[01:20] <eduardo> but I want not change coz now is spanish keyboard :-P |
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[01:20] <ceil420> :) |
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[01:31] <eduardo> hey!! another problem!! |
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[01:31] <eduardo> where is my sound?? |
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[01:34] <eduardo> sorry sorry....I was not a problem... |
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[01:34] <eduardo> it was not a problem.... |
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[01:37] <|Prometheus|> hello. Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes |
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[01:38] <|Prometheus|> its as if grub is ignoring the ide=nodma parameter |
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[01:44] <vidd> has anyone figured out why fonts are so increadibly small? |
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[01:45] <vidd> I've had to decrease screen resolution to 800x600 in order to read anything |
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[01:46] <vidd> it has to have something to do with the desktop environment, because the tty's are fine |
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[01:46] <vidd> but the terminal window fonts are tiny too |
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[01:47] <vidd> Its happened on every machine running 7.10 |
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[01:48] <vidd> all different hardware |
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[01:48] <vidd> is there by change some setting in GDM that got changed recently? |
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[03:03] <Shinjin> Anyone here? |
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[03:28] <KillerPacMan> I am trying to install ubuntu 7.10 and as it starts toinstall it says "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" failed to load and then it just sits there |
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[03:29] <KillerPacMan> also says firmware/0000"03.00.0' |
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[03:56] <torus> Does Xubuntu Hardy Heron 5 have KVM, libvirt and virt-manager by default also? |
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[05:02] <Administrator_> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/ |
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[05:03] <Administrator_> i assume most people have seen this, any luck trying it? |
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[05:42] <kuldeep> hi |
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[06:23] <zoredache> is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? |
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[06:27] <The-Kernel> I....don't....know.... |
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[06:27] <The-Kernel> I failed... |
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[06:29] <zoredache> !devilspie |
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[06:29] <ubotu> devilspie is a tool that performs actions on windows in GNOME's metacity such as resizing, positioning, and pinning. Usage information can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie |
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[06:42] <eca> is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? i thought thats what stick window does |
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[06:43] <zoredache> I dunno |
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[06:43] <zoredache> I want it to be possible |
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[06:45] <eca> multiple desktops are overrated, is minimizing or alt-tab so hard |
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[06:48] <zoredache> well I kinda want my music player to auto-start.... Do you know how to minimize it immediatly at startup? |
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[06:49] <eca> autostart when you login? write startup script, or use tarted apps |
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[06:50] <eca> *autostarted applications program |
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[06:50] <zoredache> I know how to start the applications |
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[06:50] <zoredache> I don't know how to get it out of my sight automatically |
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[06:51] <zoredache> I want to start it and have it be minimized or on a different workspace |
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[06:52] <eca> use mplayer? |
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[06:52] <zoredache> no, vlc |
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[06:56] <zoredache> btw devilspie does seem to work, it just takes a bit of work to get the configuration correct |
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[07:15] <kubuntu> buenos dias |
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[07:15] <kubuntu> hablaríase castellano por estos lares? |
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[08:28] <zoredache> [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: device found at 2 |
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[08:28] <zoredache> [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
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[08:28] <zoredache> [ 3885.548000] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage |
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[09:19] <kuldeep> hi |
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[09:22] <kuldeep> I need some help in setting up canon IR2016 on ubuntu |
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[13:58] <floating> hey, anyone who knows unix here ? |
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[13:58] <floating> how can i pipe a files text as a message body with mail -s ? |
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[13:59] <floating> mail -s "otsikko" vnaatane@students.oamk.fi < maili |
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[13:59] <floating> that dont work |
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[17:11] <ron_o> had something strange happen. All of a sudden my xubuntu restarted. Never happened before. |
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[17:18] <sugardrunk> !flash |
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[17:18] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash |
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[17:18] <sugardrunk> !gnash |
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[17:18] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement. It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
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[17:19] <Dan_SR> Hi, someone can help me? When I change the screen resolution to 800x600 (my monitor is old...), the font size of applications change to a small value... I would like to stay with the same font size. Someone know what is the problem? |
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[18:21] <|Prometheus|> Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes |
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[18:37] <|Prometheus|> could this be related to the kernel i am using? 2.6.22-14-generic |
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[18:42] <TheSheep> it's ide=nodma |
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[18:43] <|Prometheus|> sorry - yes, my i missed the m out :( |
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[18:43] <|Prometheus|> thats what i have tried - but it sees to ignore it |
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[18:43] <TheSheep> I don't have any idea. I suppose you have read about boot options already? |
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[18:43] <TheSheep> You could try searching teh forums/google for your disk model or motherboard |
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[18:44] <|Prometheus|> yeah, well am doing now - going through the forum finding everything i can |
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[18:44] <|Prometheus|> its just, with slax - the ide=nodma works fine |
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[18:44] <TheSheep> well, it also depends on the kernel build options |
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[18:45] <|Prometheus|> its just as if its being ignored, cause when booted - hdparm shows dma as 1 not 0 |
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[18:46] <|Prometheus|> how do i build a new kernel (compile) |
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[18:50] <TheSheep> no idea |
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[18:50] <TheSheep> !kernel |
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[18:50] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages |
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[18:51] <|Prometheus|> thanks |
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[19:45] <aladdinsaneo> im using a 250W PSU unit right now, but as im only just using 1 hdd, a lame old video card and a celeron in my computer i wonder if i could use a weaker PSU to save electricity, any tips? |
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[19:48] <ere4si> a 250w psu can provide up to 250w but will only provide what is needed - so the same hardware will use the same amount of power with any psu |
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[19:50] <aladdinsaneo> ok so a weaker one will not save me any electricity |
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[19:53] <aladdinsaneo> im not an electricity expert as you might see :) but why is my PSU getting so hot then, when i just use a small amount of its capability? |
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[19:53] <ere4si> nope |
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[19:54] <ere4si> is the fan working? |
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[19:54] <ere4si> how old is it? is it a cheap brand? |
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[19:55] <aladdinsaneo> yes, i have no problems with it, i was just wondering |
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[19:55] <aladdinsaneo> i mean if i just use a small amount of its capabilities couldn't i shut off its fan then? |
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[19:57] <ere4si> no - the fan is necessary to cool the psu at any working load and it helps to move air out of the pc as well |
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[20:01] <aladdinsaneo> ok, you are probably right, i just thought it was funny when my psu got really hot when i shut it's fan down, although i couldn't be using much of it's capabilities |
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[20:04] <aladdinsaneo> ere4si: i also thought that that in a way was the way the fan-less PSU's work |
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[20:04] <aladdinsaneo> i mean that they work far under their capabilities and in that way can work without a fan |
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[20:07] <aladdinsane> ere4si: dont know if u answered me, got disconnected |
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[20:08] <ere4si> what's your cpu aladdinsane ? |
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[20:08] <aladdinsane> celeron 2.1GHz |
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[20:08] <aladdinsane> socket 478 |
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[20:09] <ere4si> can use up to 90 w - the fan is needed unles the psu was designed without one |
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[20:10] <aladdinsane> i have a temp regulated fan there, runs very slow |
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[20:10] <ere4si> find an online power consumption calculator and you will be suprised |
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[20:14] <aladdinsane> ere4si: no i believe you, but i just thought cause it is designed to be able to handle up to 5 hhd's, or at least there are 5 cables for it, it must be working a lot under it capabilities right now |
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[21:12] <zuzma> I'm sort of confused about manual partitioning could someone help me out? |
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[21:12] <zuzma> well that and I'm completely new to linux |
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[21:12] <zoredache> what are you confused about? |
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[21:12] <zuzma> I'd like to setup an install on three drives |
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[21:12] <zuzma> I want full read write access to a 500 GB one and a 200 GB one, but it stuck them in root for some reason |
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[21:13] <zuzma> then I want the os on my 80GB one |
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[21:13] <zuzma> what would be the best way to configure that? |
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[21:13] <zuzma> oh that and I'd like to use JFS for the file system |
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[21:14] <zoredache> why jfs? |
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[21:14] <zuzma> well I wanted something fast and it said it was when I looked at all the other file systems through wikipedia |
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[21:14] <zuzma> I download a lot of movies and stuff |
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[21:14] <zuzma> should I use something else? |
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[21:16] <zuzma> it's for desktop use mainly |
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[21:16] <zuzma> I guess |
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[21:16] <zoredache> ext3 is far more well tested and reliable... generally, I think, you should stick with that unless you have a really good reason |
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[21:16] <zuzma> okay.. hmm |
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[21:17] <zoredache> I doubt there will be a noticeable difference in performance for just watching movies |
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[21:17] <zuzma> what about opengl games? |
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[21:17] <zuzma> oh also what should I make the mount points for the two larger drives |
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[21:18] <zuzma> I accidently made one /media |
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[21:18] <zuzma> on my first try |
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[21:18] <zuzma> but I'm going to reinstall everything |
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[21:18] <zoredache> zuzma: make them whatever you want.... perhaps /home, or perhaps something in /srv |
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[21:18] <zuzma> would that give me full read write access? |
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[21:18] <zuzma> if i made those two drives /home? |
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[21:18] <zuzma> sorry |
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[21:19] <zuzma> I kinda want to treat them as a dump for my videos and games |
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[21:19] <zoredache> you can't have two volumes mounted in a single folder without using something like lvm or something else |
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[21:19] <zuzma> oh I see |
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[21:20] <zoredache> anyway, whereever you mount them you can change the permissions so that you can write there |
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[21:20] <zuzma> what about making the mount point /home/desktop/video ? |
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[21:20] <zuzma> OHH! |
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[21:21] <zuzma> damnit I should of known it was that easy : ( |
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[21:21] <zoredache> I suspect I set some manual mountpoints like /shared/500g, and /shared/200g |
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[21:22] <TheSheep> you can also change the mountpoints without reinstalling (or even restarting) |
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[21:22] <zoredache> once mounted simply do something like a chown -R username:username /shared |
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[21:23] <zoredache> where username is your username |
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[21:23] <zuzma> wow confusing, but I think I'll just do it a simple and not use a mount point the system needs :P |
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[21:23] <zuzma> I tried fixing it through fstab, but that didn't work |
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[21:23] <sprauekraut> xubuntu 7.10 - can't use brasero to burn audio cd from mp3 files, any takers? |
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[21:24] <zuzma> ah well thanks so much for the help guys. I'll give it a go again :D |
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[21:24] <taggartbg2> i have a 2.5 gig "unallocated" section of my hdd that i'd like to install xubuntu on, the xubuntu installed calls this space "unusable" - how do i go about making this usable? |
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[21:24] <taggartbg2> installer* |
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[21:25] <zoredache> taggartbg2: I would guess it is unusable because of the layout of your other partitions... You would need to figure out what is making it unusable and then change things |
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[21:26] <zoredache> do an 'sudo sfdisk -l' and post that on pastebin |
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[21:27] <taggartbg2> how do I get the output of a command to output to a file again? |
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[21:28] <aladinsano> can i get my xp to be the standard boot? right now it boot directly into xubuntu |
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[21:30] <sprauekraut> aladinsano: do you use the standard grub bootloader? |
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[21:31] <sprauekraut> would anyone like to help me with a brasero audo cd burning issue? |
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[21:31] <slow-motion> hi |
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[21:31] <sprauekraut> audio* |
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[21:35] <taggartbg2> zoredache: can you read an abiword document? |
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[21:36] <zoredache> !pastebin | taggartbg2 |
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[21:36] <ubotu> taggartbg2: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) |
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[21:37] <zoredache> no need to create a document, just use pastebin |
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[21:38] <taggartbg2> !pastebin |
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[21:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) |
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[21:38] <taggartbg2> ah, i see, ok |
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[21:39] <taggartbg2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57119/ |
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[21:39] <taggartbg2> 1 partition is vista, 1 is a dell recovery partition, 1 is dell bios settings, 1 is for Dell Media Direct, 1 is unallocated where I want to install xubuntu |
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[21:41] <zoredache> taggartbg2: I don't see any unallocated partitions... |
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[21:42] <taggartbg2> zoredache: in vista i shrunk the recovery partition and according to vista disk manager there is a 2.5ish gb unallocated partition |
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[21:42] <zoredache> there is a hole between 967 and 1315, but you won't be able to use it |
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[21:42] <taggartbg2> in xubuntu when i tried to install, sda4 says "unusable" |
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[21:42] <taggartbg2> how do i go about making it usable? |
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[21:43] <zoredache> you can only have 4 primary partitions, or three partitions and an extended partition |
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[21:43] <zoredache> you already have 3 primary + extended... you can't have another |
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[21:43] <taggartbg2> lame |
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[21:43] <taggartbg2> hmmm |
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[21:43] <taggartbg2> what's the difference between an extended and a primary? |
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[21:43] <zoredache> an extended partition can contain logical drives |
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[21:44] <zoredache> it is kind of a sub-partition |
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[21:44] <taggartbg2> ah, i see |
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[21:44] <zoredache> you can have many of those |
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[21:44] <taggartbg2> so can you tell which (sda1-5) is what vista calls the "unallocated" partition? |
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[21:44] <taggartbg2> its either 4 or 5 |
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[21:45] <zoredache> sda5 is your recovery partition |
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[21:45] <taggartbg2> sda2 is the recovery, because thats the 8 gig one |
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[21:45] <zoredache> if you have a backup on cds you could delete that |
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[21:47] <taggartbg2> hmm, ok, thanks for all the help, i'm going to consult with dell and see what recovery options they provide for me other than that partition, i don't know exactly how all of their disks and such work |
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[21:47] <taggartbg2> i'm new to dell |
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[21:47] <zoredache> hrm... well I am not entirely sure then... But I am sure that you aren't going to create any more partitions right now |
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[21:48] <zoredache> it might be easier to simply install a second drive |
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[21:48] <zoredache> if you have or can afford a spare |
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[21:49] <taggartbg2> its a notebook :-\ |
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[21:50] <sprauekraut> I'm having a problem burning mp3s as an audio cd using brasero. Its weird, because i have no problem playing them. Would anyone like to help me with this issue? |
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[21:50] <zoredache> ah |
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[21:54] <taggartbg2> i'm seeing another problem here |
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[21:54] <taggartbg2> the window manager is not recognizing all of the space on the partitions |
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[21:54] <taggartbg2> it says RECOVERY is less than a gig, but its 8 gigs |
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[21:54] <taggartbg2> it says OS is only 111 gigs, but its over 130 |
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[21:54] <taggartbg2> DellUtility is about right |
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[21:55] <taggartbg2> and MEDIADIRECT is missing a gig as well |
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[21:56] <taggartbg2> GParted recognizes all of the space though, so I'm not sure |
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[21:56] <zoredache> I wouldn't worry about it too much |
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[21:57] <taggartbg2> ah, ok |
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[21:57] <taggartbg2> so just to verify, there's no way to have 4 primary partitions and an extended? |
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[21:58] <zoredache> no |
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[21:59] <taggartbg2> what about installing xubuntu on an extended partition? |
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[22:00] <zoredache> taggartbg2: you mean logical-drive... you could do that, but you dont' have space in your extentded paritition |
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[22:00] <taggartbg2> i have 2.44 gigs of unallocated space |
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[22:01] <zoredache> yes, but it isn't in your extended partition... it is between two other partitions |
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[22:01] <taggartbg2> is it possible to partition that to be a second extended partition where i could install xubuntu on a logical drive? |
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[22:01] <zoredache> taggartbg2: no, only one extdended per drive is allowed |
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[22:01] <taggartbg2> hmm |
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[22:02] <taggartbg2> what about using Acronis or something to move OS and the extended partition leftwards, and extended the extended partition, and partition another logical drive onto the extended partition? |
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[22:03] <zoredache> taggartbg2: yes, that is possible... I am not familar with those tools... |
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[22:04] <taggartbg2> nice, there is hope! |
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[22:04] <taggartbg2> i'll play around with Acronis and see what i can get out of it |
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[22:04] <zoredache> well, I strongly suggest you get some kind of external backup system before you start using those... I have heard of those tools trashing things |
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[22:04] <taggartbg2> good call |
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[22:22] <slow-motion> n8 |
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[23:28] <penguino> i already have my drive partitioned going into xubuntu installer from cd, but it won't detect the drive from the partitioner |
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[23:28] <penguino> 7.10, is this a recurring problem? |
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[23:31] <zoredache> penguino: generally that means that your disk controller isn't supported |
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[23:33] <penguino> i've been able to install 6.06 before, this is the first time with this problem |
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[23:35] <Obscurati> hey, having an issue with audacity freezing when i hit record. everything else works, mic works. audacity record and play (and playback works) through oss layer of alsa (default config.) |
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[23:50] * eldalion |
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[23:51] * eldalion prout |
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[23:58] <Obscurati> ? |
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