2008/02/13/#ubuntu+1.txt

[00:00] <jeff1> it's pretty stable, i have been doing regular updates from a tribe and it's been smooth
[00:02] <Arwen> ok
[00:02] <Arwen> thanks
[00:03] <burner> how can 8.04 be lts and the "stable" one when gnome-vfs is deprecated for gio and gio is horribly broken?
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[00:05] <TheInfinity> burner: 8.04 is ALPHA
[00:05] <TheInfinity> -> just for testing
[00:05] <burner> TheInfinity: no no, i get it... but i mean when 8.04 is finally released, how can it be the LTS, teh one that people flock to when it has a regression from dapper
[00:05] <burner> ftp:// worked in nautilus in dapper
[00:05] <burner> smb:// worked in nautilus in dapper
[00:06] <burner> neither will work in hardy if things don't change significantly
[00:06] <TheInfinity> make a bug report
[00:06] <TheInfinity> and alpha means some things dont work
[00:06] <TheInfinity> kubuntu is atm happy crashing apps
[00:07] <burner> TheInfinity: it's not a bug... it's gnome's roadmap
[00:07] <burner> gio is not going to work in gnome 2.22
[00:07] <burner> hence, it won't work in hardy
[00:08] <TheInfinity> ok, ... i'm kde guy, so i dont have a problem with it because konqui will always have it ;)
[00:08] <HenrikLynggaard> Can someone help with dual head and ati card ? I got problems with both (fglrx and OSS ati) drivers
[00:09] <HenrikLynggaard> Open source ATI = many times the system start to hang... screen unresponsive but mouse can be moved
[00:09] <TheInfinity> all updates?
[00:09] <TheInfinity> and what says xorg log?
[00:09] <HenrikLynggaard> fglrx = small noise effect on screen like pint flashing dots around green text
[00:10]  * burner might be a kde guy in hardy ;)
[00:10] <TheInfinity> hardy kubuntu is no LTS
[00:10] <TheInfinity> because of lots of fun with kde4
[00:10] <HenrikLynggaard> log didn't say anything last time, I will try and hang the system again
[00:11] <HenrikLynggaard> anything == no error reports
[00:11] <TheInfinity> which graphics adapter?
[00:11] <flipstar> TheInfinity: do you have kde4 installed ?
[00:11] <HenrikLynggaard> The card is a ATi x800
[00:11] <TheInfinity> flipstar: yes, kde3 and 4
[00:12] <TheInfinity> HenrikLynggaard: you used restricted driver manager to install it?
[00:12] <TheInfinity> flipstar: i love vmware ... so i have almost everything for testing ;)
[00:12] <HenrikLynggaard> TheInfinity, yes... and then aticonfig to get the xorg.conf sorted out
[00:13] <flipstar> TheInfinity: me too.. i have a strange app here .. 'knotify4' it takes a lot of ram but doesnt do anything..can you confirm that ?
[00:13] <TheInfinity> lets see ...
[00:13] <flipstar> i thing it might have something to do with kde4 ..
[00:13] <TheInfinity> urgh.
[00:14] <TheInfinity> kde4 vm is downstairs on a usb disk
[00:14] <TheInfinity> if you dont use aticonfig ... ?
[00:15] <flipstar> no i got nvidia ..
[00:15] <HenrikLynggaard> TheInfinity: what is normally the preferred way of dual head'ing with ati ?
[00:15] <HenrikLynggaard> Well without aticonfig, I couldn't figure out howto setup xorg.conf
[00:15] <TheInfinity> HenrikLynggaard: i used xorg conf editing directly until now
[00:16] <TheInfinity> but  hate dual head with linux at all
[00:16] <TheInfinity> in osx i make 2 klicks and everything works :/
[00:16] <HenrikLynggaard> I tried the screen and graphics applet, but I failed with my monitor. It would send one of the screens a wrong res and then I had to hard kill the system
[00:17] <HenrikLynggaard> I think it sent the wrong freq to y new monitor... perhaps somehting with widescreen support
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[01:22] <FliesLikeABrick> is anyone here using bluetooth with all of the latest updates?
[01:22] <FliesLikeABrick> the command `hidd` appears to have disappeared
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Sorry Not me.
[02:18] <WorldBFree> i have asked this question multiple times over the past week but havent gotten a response.  is there a way to boot hardy directly from my hd instead of burning to a disc.  I already have a working grub and am familiar with how to do it in other distros.  ive gotten close but the modules dont seem to load
[02:22] <alteregol> high
[02:22] <alteregol> the GanjATI driver doesn't work for my notebook
[02:23] <alteregol> its a 7200 Ati or whatever inside
[02:24] <Dr_willis> WorldBFree,  ive seen some weird and wacy ways to install ubuntu without a cd. But Never done any.
[02:24] <Dr_willis> I think the !install factoid has some of hte ways
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !install
[02:24] <ubotu> ntation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - Also /msg ubotu automate
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !automate
[02:24] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
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[04:36] <alteregol> hah
[04:42] <UbunLin> I'm having some graphics issues in Hardy Heron with the Radeon Mobility 9100IGP chipset. I've already put the Options "AGPMode" "4" in place in the xorg configuration, but that still gives graphic garbage on boot. Does anyone know of an additional fix or a bug that I might contribute to?
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[04:47] <regulate> which dpkg bug is being fixed?
[05:39] <DanaG> Hmm, underrun!!! (at least 655.765 ms long)
[05:39] <DanaG> underrun!!! (at least 635.675 ms long)
[05:40] <DanaG> (command: aplay -Dplug:surround51:1 , on some file ripped from dvd-audio.)
[05:43] <DanaG> Odd... audigy can't do 24-bit?
[05:43] <DanaG> or rather, Audigy 2.
[05:45] <DanaG> Oh, I see... source file is S24_3LE.
[05:46] <DanaG> My onboard SIgmatel (hda_intel) is using s32le.
[05:46] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:46] <UbunLin> I'm having some graphics issues in Hardy Heron with the Radeon Mobility 9100IGP chipset. I've already put the Options "AGPMode" "4" in place in the xorg configuration, but that still gives graphic garbage on boot. Does anyone know of an additional fix or a bug that I might contribute to?
[05:49] <alteregol> think ther eis a bug in deskto background
[05:49] <alteregol> if you use CENTER it Zooms, and revert
[05:49] <alteregol> in gnome
[05:50] <DanaG> Odd... it seems like Audigy 2 really can't do 24-bit..... odd.
[05:57] <DanaG> Well, now I see why we need surround51 for audigy: the channel mapping is odd.
[06:02] <scizzo-> is anyone else having problems with the xine libs and playing videos?
[06:02] <scizzo-> when I play videos on any player at all it seems that some gamma coloring or simular is blue or such...?
[06:20] <shirish> hi all, does anybody what that project/idea is where one can pull updates from any machine which might have updates?
[06:21] <shirish> I know about apt-cacher-ng but that is for a dedicated machine
[06:21] <RAOF> shirish: You could look at apt-zeroconf, which is exactly what you want.
[06:21] <RAOF> As long as it works.
[06:21] <shirish> RAOF: hey :)
[06:21] <RAOF> Google will get you to the right place.
[06:22] <shirish> RAOF: yup, there is/was also some blueprint, where they could be some hash-key or something to verify the package integrity & stuff as well, any ideas?
[06:23] <DanaG> APt-zeroconfg just broke stuff for me.
[06:23] <RAOF> dpkg already has that built-in.
[06:23] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes.  It's quite fragile.
[06:23] <RAOF> But when it works, it's seamless.
[06:24] <DanaG> I wish there were a way to say somebody's name with out going all the way to 'pinging'.
[06:24] <shirish> RAOF: I will definitely investigate about apt-zeroconf (atleast the idea) & see if there are any parallel work/ideas around that. If you guys know about something similar as in efforts please lemme know.
[06:24] <DanaG> I still want that time-changing wallpaper that Fedora has.
[06:25] <shirish> DanaG: what is that time-changing wallpaper? Any links?
[06:25] <DanaG> Try the Fedora 8 LiveCD some time -- disable the screensaver, and leave the PC idle for a while.
[06:26] <DanaG> The wallpaper changes over time -- it fades between a few color schemes.
[06:26] <DanaG> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Fedora+8+Wallpaper?content=69684
[06:27] <DanaG> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
[06:28] <shirish> DanaG: would look at it, thanx for the links.
[06:28] <DanaG> I can't find the actual patches it requires.
[06:29] <DanaG> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final#head-0afce1582af5a054f81558f0e4148b3b6a445bbd
[06:29] <DanaG> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/
[06:31] <DanaG> It gives an effect that now Google has in their iGoogle thingy, with the time-changing banner.
[06:31] <DanaG> It's really nice.  I want to see that in Hardy.
[06:31] <ethana2> wow
[06:31] <DanaG> Or if it comes after release, as unofficial patches, that'd be fine.
[06:31] <ethana2> ff3b3 is fast
[06:34] <ethana2> still no SCIM
[06:34] <ethana2> arggghhhh
[06:59] <qzio> SCIM?
[07:05] <ethana2> oh
[07:05] <ethana2> yeah, it's for input in various non-latin languages
[07:05] <ethana2> standard across all gnome apps I think
[07:06] <ethana2> 59 on ACID3 by the way.. with no color and a failed linktest
[07:07] <DanaG> Acid3?  Never heard of it.
[07:07] <ethana2> http://acid3.acidtests.org/
[07:07] <Ayabara> anyone with a dell xps laptop here? I'm trying to make my mediakeys work on hardy
[07:07] <ethana2> It's a test for web standards compliance
[07:07] <DanaG> I've seen Acid2, but 3 is new.
[07:07] <ethana2> I have a Dell Latitude D830
[07:07] <ethana2> 3 is blazing new
[07:10] <Ayabara> ethana2: I got my XPS 1530 yesterday, and decided to try Hardy instead of Gutsy. The mediakeys and the gsynaptics-stuff I asked you about yesterday is what's not working so far
[07:10] <DanaG> My 3.0 gets 58 with adblock plus, 59 without.
[07:11] <ethana2> Ayabara: did they work in gutsy?
[07:11] <Assid> hrmm hardy's gotta do something about the way it sucks power
[07:11] <Ayabara> ethana2: don't know, since Hardy was the first thing I installed :-)
[07:11] <Ayabara> brand new like I said
[07:11] <ethana2> hmmm
[07:11] <Assid> my laptop used to give me pretty good life up until maybe alpha 4 or around then
[07:11] <DanaG> Actually, the battery reporting is probably what's broken, not the usage.
[07:12] <ethana2> Assid: ask phoronix to bench power consumption.
[07:12] <ethana2> ^_^
[07:12] <ethana2> There's no reason linux can't be the most environmentally friendly OS out there...
[07:12] <qzio> hm, a question about aptitude/apt/synaptic - why is it so that synaptic finds more packages then aptitude?
[07:12] <Assid> DanaG: nah..the system goes into standby/goes off. and also the batter LED goes red means i better charge it.
[07:12] <qzio> Ayabara: have you added the synaptics stuff in xorg.conf?
[07:13] <Assid> at times i dont even get enough notification to pull out the charger  .. and it still goes off
[07:13] <Ayabara> qzio: no, I was about to ask about that. installed gsynaptics yesterday, but never found out what I need to add in xorg.conf
[07:13] <DanaG> Anybody here use Asus notebooks?
[07:14] <qzio> Ayabara: i needed a extra inputdevice section for synaptics, and a sserverlayout section to point to synaptics
[07:14] <qzio> Ayabara: are you familiar with xorg.conf configuration?
[07:14] <Ayabara> qzio: a bit.
[07:15] <qzio> Ayabara: then you understand what im talking about?
[07:15] <Ayabara> qzio: yes. thanks
[07:15] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[07:15] <DanaG> Here's what I use.
[07:15] <DanaG> Takes keyboard and any USB device with evdev.
[07:15] <alteregol> sub error process at dpkg udpate
[07:15] <DanaG> Howver, evdev recently broke.
[07:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/183119
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183119 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[Hardy] Cannot open input pEvdev for keyboard (dup-of: 173833)" [Undecided,New]
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:16] <Ayabara> qzio: I'm considering going back to gutsy for a while, to avoid the early bumps in the road on hardy :-)
[07:17] <Assid> err brb.. gotta run a windows update on my virtualbox
[07:17] <qzio> Ayabara: might be a good idea, altough it's not recommended to downgrade, you might have to do a re-install
[07:18] <Ayabara> qzio: I'm downloading the iso as we speak :-)
[07:19] <qzio> Ayabara: aiit :) otherwise, my simple xorg.conf is at http://gottfolk.se/xorg.conf.txt
[07:19] <alteregol> libwnk 404 not found
[07:19] <alteregol> what a crap
[08:52] <muszek> Opera 9.50 gets 64/100
[08:52] <nanonyme> with what?
[08:52] <muszek> lol... I  just realised I had the windows scrolled to a conversation that happened way back :)
[08:52] <muszek> http://acid3.acidtests.org/
[08:57] <aikishugyo> Hello, I'm a first-time Hardy user...also first-time IRC user. Debian for 7 years, Ubuntu (Dapper onwards) for 4. I'm trying to become involved in debugging Evolution calendar operations and joined the ubuntu-users ML. I hope someone here can help me to find the right place to send debug information too, and also if I should rather be on the GNOME IRC channels instead.
[08:58] <stdin> !bug | aikishugyo
[08:58] <ubotu> aikishugyo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[08:59] <aikishugyo> ubotu: thanks, I'm looking at the launchpad as we speak. I'll do that then, not go to GNOME directly.
[09:03] <Assid> err.. usplash should determine xorg's resolution and show up
[09:04] <Assid> 1024x768 looks crappy on ym desktop.. but perfect on my laptio
[09:04] <Assid> laptop
[09:14] <Assid> err anyone here using thunderbird by chance?
[09:53] <ethana2> installing updates
[09:53] <ethana2> it doesn't like bluez
[09:54] <Zampaktu> same here
[09:55] <ethana2> of course, i don't even have a bluetooth adapter on this system..
[09:55] <ethana2> adapter doesn't seem like the right word.. you get the idea
[09:56] <ethana2> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/bluez-audio_3.26-0ubuntu1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_bluetooth.so', which is also in package bluez-utils
[09:57] <ethana2> You have 1 broken package on your system!  Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[09:57] <ethana2> ok fixed
[10:20] <Assid> !schedule
[10:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:20] <Assid> err..
[10:20] <Assid> !hardyrelease
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardyrelease - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <Assid> cosindering  we are pretty close to a feature freeze
[10:21] <Assid> are we getting the right gnome version?
[10:23] <Assid> and anyone notice X acting really strange recently?
[10:24] <Assid> like i cant restart/shutdown.. i gotta restart X for me to do so
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[11:03] <UbunLin> I am currently seeing some fairly odd graphics issues with Hardy and the 9100 IGP chipset. Are there any known problems that any of you are aware of?
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[11:47] <Assid> err
[11:47] <Assid> i cant use my scanner
[11:48] <Assid> xsane says failed to open device
[11:48] <Assid> its busy
[11:49] <Assid> anyone having an issue with it?
[12:16] <shirish> hi all, does anybody if there is any software to edit .flac tags?
[12:16] <shirish> I got some .flac files (music) and I want to fill in some information.
[12:20] <shirish> basically the metadata, that is what I want to change.
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[13:46] <bardyr> how come the linux-libc-dev package are updated before linux-image-generic?
[13:47] <rsk> lag in mirror mayb bardyr
[13:48] <bardyr> rsk, downloading from main
[13:49] <bardyr> rsk, the restricted modules are probably not ready, thats why linux-image-generic is not updated, but it does not make much sense updating the linux libc headers for a kernel you dont have
[13:49] <rsk> agreed
[13:49] <mateusz> How to install something from hardy for example kernel?
[13:49] <bardyr> mateusz, on gutsy?
[13:49] <mateusz> Can I add mirror and pin it on lower proiority
[13:49] <mateusz> bardyr: yes
[13:50] <bardyr> mateusz, well you can grab the individual packages and install it manual
[13:51] <mateusz> bardyr: I did but there are dependencies
[13:52] <bardyr> mateusz, grab them too
[13:52] <mateusz> I dont want to search for every one
[13:52] <mateusz> why?
[13:52] <mateusz> isnt it apt-get a tool that can do it for me?
[13:52] <bardyr> mateusz, imagine its rpm's
[13:52] <mateusz> hmm
[14:20] <mateusz> bardyr: how to upgrade to hardy ?
[14:21] <mateusz> bardyr: is it really so broken ?
[14:21] <rsk> bardyr: if you dont know. dont upgrade
[14:22] <mateusz> rsk: I worked 9 years on debian sid
[14:23] <mateusz> rsk: and this should be similiar.. but I am not sure
[14:23] <mateusz> and I don't know how much it is broken
[14:23] <rsk> worked?
[14:23] <rsk> there wes think-tank so long ago?
[14:24] <rsk> or what that project was called
[14:24] <rsk> to pay developers
[14:25] <mateusz> I am  confused with mirrors.. I am not sure if hardy does have any update sites etc...
[14:26] <rsk> you make no sense
[14:26] <mateusz> looks like that I will switch back to Deban
[14:26] <mateusz> packages that I use in gutsy are too old
[14:27] <rsk> why would you leave  working for debian for almost 10 years and then not figure out something that's easily avialiable on google and then 'go back '
[14:29] <mateusz> I dont understand what are you trying to say
[14:30] <sveri> what are you trying to say mateusz?
[14:30] <rsk> mein either
[14:30] <mateusz> sveri: I asked if hardy is so buggy that I should not upgrade
[14:30] <mateusz> and I would like to know what are mirrors for hardy
[14:30] <rsk> what is yo buggy for you?
[14:31] <rsk> to*
[14:31] <mateusz> rsk: buggy means no  working desktop
[14:31] <sveri> mateusz: for me it is not buggy, i am using it scince four days and it worked fantastic till now
[14:31] <sveri> at least kubuntu, i cant say anything about ubuntu, which is a bit more complicated i heard cause of the gvfs
[14:31] <mateusz> sveri: well sid sometimes had packages breaking whole system.. so livecd was needed
[14:32] <mateusz> I want to ensure that hardy is installable and usable
[14:32] <nanonyme> have you taken a look at the topic?
[14:32] <sveri> hehe, thats what i asked myself right now too
[14:33] <mateusz> nanonyme: no;]
[14:33] <mateusz> or I forgot about it
[14:33] <mateusz> ok I'll google it
[14:33] <nanonyme> dpkg being broken means low-level package management not currently working properly
[14:34] <sveri> here it works
[14:35] <nanonyme> properly as in properly in every way
[14:35] <nanonyme> breakages can be stuff user doesn't even notice at best
[14:37] <nanonyme> and i'd personally backport stuff i need to Gutsy if i just needed some new packages
[14:37] <nanonyme> as i do
[14:37] <sveri> ok, maybe its broken and it doesnt affect me right now
[14:37] <sveri> could be, but neednt be
[14:38] <nanonyme> using a pre-release version of an OS in production use is always a bit of a silly idea :)
[14:38] <sveri> *fg
[14:38] <nanonyme> better to backport
[14:44] <sveri> nanonyme: but its boring to use stable versions
[14:45] <nanonyme> :P
[14:45] <sveri> i like the risk of having an unusable system during my exams :D
[14:45] <nanonyme> that's because you don't want to read for the exams and want to make up excuses ;)
[14:46] <nanonyme> some people clean up, some fix broken computers
[14:46] <sveri> yea
[14:46] <nanonyme> some write AI's that take over the world
[14:46] <sveri> thats it
[14:46] <nanonyme> each to their own
[14:46] <sveri> hehe i prefer fixing up over writing AI
[15:02] <tretl1> who is in charge of rhythmbox and coherence packaging?
[15:05] <tretl1> !packaging
[15:05] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[15:22] <bardyr> Hey, i get Access denied with sftp in nautilus but it works fine in konquror, what can it be?
[15:24] <tretl1> nautilus is undergoing some huge code changes
[15:24] <tretl1> alot of things are broken right now
[15:24] <tretl1> will be fixed as soon as possible
[15:24] <bardyr> yea i know, its only affect one server
[15:24] <bardyr> but its*
[15:24] <bardyr> seems a little weird
[15:27] <tretl1> well is there s difference between the working servers and the not working server?
[15:27] <bardyr> the port
[15:28] <bardyr> but i get Access denied before it even tries to connect to it
[15:29] <tretl1> are the working ones port 21?
[15:30] <bardyr> yea
[15:30] <Assid> err
[15:30] <Assid> anyone here using amsn and has a webcam
[15:30] <Assid> i cant seem to see non windows users' webcam
[15:30] <tretl1> 21 is the standard ftp port which brings me to the conclusion that changing the port has been removed from it atm
[15:31] <tretl1> irc.gimp.net #nautilus
[15:31] <bardyr> tretl1, i even get it when using the normal port
[15:31] <tretl1> u can check there to see if its been reported or resolved in the latest versions
[15:32] <tretl1> does it try to connect while using the normal port?
[15:32] <bardyr> nope
[16:10] <Skweeker_duce> Hello everyone.
[16:15] <coz_> Skweeker_duce, oh boy they just dont know how to say hi do they ? :)  welcome
[16:16] <Skweeker_duce> I guess not!
[16:16] <coz_> :)
[16:17] <Skweeker_duce> I just upgraded my Hardy install. Getting XKB errors when I log in now, though I haven't noticed anything not working.
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[16:25] <coz_> Skweeker,  well it is alpha still
[16:25] <coz_> Skweeker, but so far things seem to be working fairly well
[16:25] <Skweeker> I know :)
[16:26] <Skweeker> coz_, running it on 3 systems here. No problems so far.
[16:27] <coz_> Skweeker, yeah ,,, I like so far myself :)  as long as what is working now continues to work after release :)
[16:28] <Skweeker> coz_, aside from this laptop I'm on (MacBook Pro) the other two machines are pretty old. Don't think I'll have any problems with them as they're sort of tried and true
[16:28] <coz_> Skweeker, right understood... as long as it works  :)
[16:30] <Skweeker> coz_, Do you know if XKB controls keyboard LEDs?
[16:30] <coz_> Skweeker, sorry I dont
[16:31] <Skweeker> coz_, I just noticed my capslock LED doesn't come on when it is active. Though I don't know if it did previously under Ubuntu or not. Same goes for the num lock LED.
[16:32] <coz_> Skweeker, mm on the keyboard itself?
[16:33] <coz_> Skweeker, I doubt it has to do with ubuntu  more likely the leds on the keyboard.... does this keyboard need a driver????
[16:35] <Skweeker> coz_, seems like it's been a problem in previous versions of Ubuntu, also. I believe the keyboard is to use XKB as the driver..
[16:36] <coz_> Skweeker, oh!! mm you may want to google this issue since I wouldnt know the solution for that sorry
[16:36] <mohbana> 1.  can someone please tell me if the live cd has an option of where to install grub? 2. where can i find the log for the last boot attempt?
[16:37] <Skweeker> coz_, looks like it's conflict with mouseemu, which provides emulation for right/middle clicking. Apparently it breaks the capslock LEDs
[16:37] <coz_> Skweeker, oh! ok
[16:38] <Skweeker> mohbana, I believe the grub installation options are easier accessed using an alternative CD. The live CD more or less installs non-interactively.
[16:39] <Skweeker> mohbana, though I haven't tried changing grub install options from the live cd's installer. It may have an option burried somewhere but I have never seen it.
[16:40] <Skweeker> coz_, Just uninstalled mouseemu, and sure enough... the LEDs work.
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[16:41] <Skweeker> I suppose "removed" would be the proper term..
[16:41] <coz_> Skweeker, whoa cool  you solved it :)
[16:41] <Skweeker> coz_, Yeah, but now I need to get another method of right clicking working :)
[16:43] <coz_> Skweeker,  what do you mean?
[16:44] <slytherin> Has anyone mnaged to get grub2 working on any powerpc machine?
[16:44] <Skweeker> coz_, Mac trackpads only have one button. In Mac OS X, right-clicking is accomplished by holding control, and clicking. Or on newer machines, holding two fingers on the pad, and clicking (by default, anyway)
[16:45] <coz_> Skweeker, oh!!!!   mm then I would have absolutely no clue as to the solution for that one :)
[16:45] <slytherin> coz_: What is problem?
[16:46] <coz_> slytherin, not sure guy sorry
[16:46] <coz_> guys I have to break here  lunch time    yummm
[16:47] <slytherin> Skweeker: Are you looking for making the right click work in Ubuntu?
[16:47] <Skweeker> Yes.
[16:47] <Skweeker> slytherin, I've removed mouseemu, as it makes the keyboard LEDs for caps/num lock not work
[16:48] <Skweeker> slytherin, so now I'm looking for a new method to use on my MacBook Pro. I'd prefer holding two fingers on the trackpad and clicking, but I'm not sure how to do that just yet.
[16:48] <slytherin> Skweeker: I have two solutions for that on my ibook. One is that my 'Eject' button (F12) works as right click by default and second is I have made the 'Enter' button on right side of spacebar to work as right click
[16:49] <Skweeker> slytherin, enter would work, I suppose.
[16:49] <Skweeker> slytherin, my F12 key isn't doing right-click now that I've removed mouseemu
[16:51] <slytherin> Skweeker: I don't remember exact option right now for 'Enter' key, but you should look into System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout -> Layout Options -> Alt/Win key behaviour.
[16:54] <Skweeker> slytherin, when I do that, I get errors that XKB wasn't able to load the config.. But I'll see if that works.
[16:54] <Skweeker> Be Right Back
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[17:04] <corbykri> slytherin, are you still around?
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[17:08] <soc> hi
[17:08] <soc> the touchpad is pretty f****** up currently :-)
[17:08] <Skweeker> soc, what's going on with yours?
[17:09] <soc> either it doesn't respond at all or it jumps right to the other side ...
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[17:10] <soc> moving the pointer is pretty difficult :-)
[17:10] <Tuv0k> bug #191471
[17:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191471 in clock-setup "Set System Time crashes Time Settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191471
[17:10] <Skweeker> soc, what kind of laptop?
[17:10] <soc> dell inspiron 6400
[17:10] <Skweeker> soc, hmm don't know anything about those
[17:12] <soc> i assume the mouse acceleration has been changed to totally horrible values
[17:12] <soc> but corg.conf looks ok ...
[17:13] <Skweeker> soc, I think there is a different config for the trackpad that overrides what xorg.conf has, but don't quote me on that.
[17:13] <soc> mh ok
[17:14] <soc> gnome-settings-manager doens't work anyymore too
[17:14] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[17:15] <DanaG> I enable SHMConfig and then install gsynaptics.
[17:15] <soc> segfaults after some screensaver things in debug
[17:15] <soc> DanaG: do you mean me?
[17:16] <DanaG> For touchpad, yes.  I haven't had any odd acceleration, but the 'gsynaptics' thingy will let you control sensitivity.
[17:17] <soc> mhh ok
[17:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I have to go out to school now; I'll be back some time later.
[17:17] <soc> i'll try that if it doesn't get fixed i a few days ...
[17:17] <soc> thanks!
[17:17] <slytherin> Skweeker: pong
[17:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the RightEdge thingy is for setting where the vscroll zone starts -- you can tweak it by using snyclient in console, and then once you find a value that works, put it in xorg.conf.
[17:18] <DanaG> (that reminds me..... I should put comments on my config entries to tell what they do.)
[17:18] <soc> does someone experience gnome-settings-deamon crashing?
[17:18] <DanaG> Anyway, bye for now.
[17:18] <tretl1> having problems when i try to ./autogen.sh an svn trunk
[17:19] <tretl1> says im missing gnome-vfs-2.0
[17:19] <tretl1> can anyone help me out
[17:20] <Skweeker> soc, I have not.
[17:20] <slytherin> Skweeker: is the right click working?
[17:20] <Skweeker> tretl1, perhaps you need to install gnome-vfs-2.0?
[17:20] <Skweeker> slytherin, negative.
[17:20] <Skweeker> slytherin, what keyboard layout are you using?
[17:20] <slytherin> Skweeker: which option did you change?
[17:21] <slytherin> Skweeker: I am using Apple Laptop
[17:21] <tretl1> skweeker : where can I get it
[17:21] <Skweeker> tretl1, maybe you can install it using Ubutnu's repositories?
[17:21] <Skweeker> slytherin, I just selected "Apple Laptop". No dice.
[17:22] <soc> omg ... these "unlocking" buttons appearing almost everywhere now in gnome are the worst thing i ever saw ...
[17:22] <slytherin> Skweeker: And which option did you change?
[17:22] <Skweeker> slytherin, I didn't change any options.
[17:22] <slytherin> Skweeker: I will let you know tomorrow what I changed exactly.
[17:22] <eddieftw> hey all, im trying to get my graphical output to work, when I do function+f3 it doesn't do anything, when I go to system settings in my kmenu, it complains about libpython2.5so not found in paths. sudo apt-get install didn't do it, and neither does ldconfig...
[17:23] <Skweeker> slytherin, what option am I supposed to change, and what is a "third level chooser"?
[17:23] <eddieftw> output to a projector i sohuld say
[17:23] <slytherin> Skweeker: I think third level choose is for international keyboards, for keys with accent. but I am not sure
[17:24] <Skweeker> slytherin, alright.
[17:24] <tretl1> it looks like its installed?
[17:24] <slytherin> tretl1: you need to install header files (-dev packages)
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[17:25] <tretl1> slytherin thanks I'll try and find em
[17:28] <bobjink> may i ask a question
[17:28] <bobjink> it may be a little off topic
[17:28] <eddieftw> !ask
[17:28] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:32] <Skweeker> mohbana, did you get grub installed alright?
[17:34] <mohbana> Skweeker, nope i haven't tried it yet i don't want to take the risk of putting the live cd until i have further confirmation, you can look at this post if you like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=695699
[17:34] <tretl1> right
[17:34] <tretl1> now its telling me that configure: error: totem playlist parsing library not found or too old
[17:34] <mohbana> fedora basically kinda ruined things for me or i did
[17:34] <Skiessi> why hardy's linux kernel hasn't been upgraded to 2.6.24.1?
[17:35] <slytherin> tretl1: again, header files for that too, search plparser in synaptic
[17:35] <Skiessi> :P or 2.6.24.2
[17:35] <slytherin> Skiessi: what are you talking about? This is the version on my machine currently - linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic
[17:36] <Skiessi> 2.6.24-7 is newer that 2.6.24.2? or 2.6.24.1?
[17:36] <tretl1> lol, there should be an option to automatically download and install the dev files
[17:36] <soc> the package name doesn't count up with kenrel's bugfix releases
[17:36] <Skiessi> *than
[17:37] <soc> -7 is the 7th package uploaded to the servers
[17:37] <Skiessi> !info linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic
[17:37] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-7.12 (hardy), package size 19421 kB, installed size 66792 kB
[17:37] <slytherin> Skiessi: Sorry, looks like no one wants to risk an upgrade this close to Feature Freeze
[17:37] <Skiessi> see?
[17:38] <Skiessi> slytherin, ok that's good enough
[17:38] <slytherin> Skiessi: May be it will land after FF.
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[17:45] <mohbana> can someone confirm if the live cd has an option of where to install grub?
[17:48] <kalpik> mohbana, yes, AFAIK it has that option
[17:51] <tretl1> how do i make install to a specific directory?
[17:57] <Skweeker> mohbana, You could try the live CD and see..
[18:06] <Assid> err anyone here  using amsn
[18:07] <Assid> i cant seem to webcam with other amsn users when they are on a mac
[18:07] <BUGabundo> hey there!!
[18:07] <Assid> havent tried with  linux users.. but def. doesnt work with mac guys
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[19:36] <regulate> any progress on dpkg ?
[19:42] <PriceChild> cs t  Current breakage (being fixed): dpkg | Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" and various breakage | dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy in #ubuntu | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY | Help test 6.06 -> 8.04 upgrade: https:/
[19:42] <PriceChild> /wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
=== PriceChild changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to:  Current breakage (being fixed): dpkg | Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" and various breakage | dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy in #ubuntu | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY | Help test 6.06 -> 8.04 upgrade: https://wiki.ubu
[19:43]  * PriceChild wonders whether anyone saw
=== PriceChild changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to:  Current breakage (being fixed): dpkg | Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy in #ubuntu | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
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[20:24] <Stevethepirate> Um, haai.
[20:24] <Stevethepirate> Everytime I open up nautulis my PC hangs.. After pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, and like.. 30 seconds. it restarts X
[20:25] <Stevethepirate> I do get an error on startup, "Can't open file file://usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml
[20:25] <regulate> hint: dont use nautilus
[20:25] <Stevethepirate> but not sure if that has anything to do with it.
[20:26] <Stevethepirate> regulate: Sigh. I'd rather fix this problem, then just switch to Konqueror.
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> Like, 1 of nautulis's windows pops up
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> after start up
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> since it was opened in the past
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> doesn't go away.
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[20:48] <regulate> Stevethepirate: remove it from your session
[20:51] <Stevethepirate> regulate: ...
[20:51] <Stevethepirate> I think i've fixed it.
[20:51] <Stevethepirate> Need to restart x-quick
[21:17] <phasefield>  
[21:17] <selckin>  
[21:17] <bardyr>  
[21:18] <phasefield>  
[21:42] <ffm> how unstable is hardy>?
[21:43] <bardyr> very
[21:43] <bardyr> i had a crash 2 weeks ago!
[21:43] <ffm> bardyr: lol.
[21:43] <ffm> bardyr: ubuntu has me spoiled. I'm not used to crashes.
[21:45] <ffm> bardyr: was this a full-system crash?
[21:45] <bardyr> ffm, actually it was a freeze and had to do a hard reboot
[21:50] <mohbana> hi everyone, i having major problems with acpi, i had to use this for the kernel and in safe graphic mode for the live cd to boot propely 'quiet nosplash -- acpi=off', i noted that during my whole live session the mouse and keyboard (both usb based) where exteremly slow and the network card (LAN) wasn't even working.  I used the 64bit cd and i have a 8800 gts 512.  any sort of help would be great
[21:54] <ffm> bardyr: so, should I wait for alpha 5, beta, or final? I'm supposed to be working on docs, and I want to help find bugs.
[21:55] <bardyr> ffm, well it runs pretty smooth for most people, there are some nautilus/gvfs problems but not that many
[21:56] <bardyr> i would just jump on it or wait for alpha5
[21:56] <ffm> bardyr: I'm running 32 bit on a 64 bit system. Would now be the time to go 64 bit, and how hard would it be?
[21:56] <bardyr> feature freeze is tomorrow so alpha5 should be pretty stable
[21:57] <bardyr> ffm, depends on your hardware but it should be pretty easy nowadays
[21:57] <ffm> bardyr: would I have to reinstall, or is there a simple "convert all binaries to 64" command?
[21:58] <bardyr> i think you need to reinstall
[21:58] <bardyr> you should be able to change the apt source list to 64bit, but i think the best option would be a fresh install
[22:04] <sveri> ffm: i installed 64bit on saturday, and it works great, as works hardy great :-)
[22:04] <sveri> ffm: i had to setup a 32 bit chroot, it worked too without big problems
[22:14] <Assid> dammit
[22:14] <Assid> i wish my webcam worked :(
[22:15] <michaelfavia> anyone else haing bluetooth trouble after todfays update? hidd seems to be missing form bluez-utils.
[22:15] <michaelfavia> how am i supposed ot connect bt devices , new binary or just a bug?
[22:25] <Assid> just wait till all the repositoriies are updated
[22:34] <ffm> Assid: be glad it ever worked. My brand new (5 months ago) does not work anywhere.
[22:35] <Assid> works on windows.. not on linux
[22:35] <Assid> i hate driver issues
[22:53] <Stevethepirate> Sigh.. my wireless network isn't being picked up.. any help?
[22:54] <Stevethepirate> Sigh.. my wireless network isn't being picked up.. any help?
[23:03] <smallfoot-> i ran update today, and i think it broke something, i cant select "custom" desktop effect
[23:03] <smallfoot-> only "none", "some", "extra"
[23:03] <smallfoot-> the custom is gone
[23:04] <pygi> hello
[23:04] <pygi> will somebody explain me why seahorse doesnt support ssh keys anymore? :p
[23:04] <michaelfavia> smallfoot-, do you have the compiz manager installed?
[23:04] <smallfoot-> yeah
[23:04] <smallfoot-> and the advanced desktop manager enabled too
[23:05] <smallfoot-> then when i updated, its the 4'th option in Appearance is gone
[23:05] <michaelfavia> understood.
[23:05] <smallfoot-> also when i choose background, they're all solid brown in the background chooser dialog, but when i click on them, the desktop changes to the real background
[23:07] <pygi> ssh keys support is broken *again* :p
[23:25] <michaelfavia> pygi, new ssh updates in stream ... check changelogs
[23:26] <michaelfavia> server, client and askpass
[23:26] <pygi> michaelfavia, yea, will do ... it's just broken as usual :P
[23:26] <michaelfavia> pygi, im having trouble with bt so i understand the pain... hidd binary has gone missing..
[23:26] <michaelfavia> pygi, you use bt on your system?
[23:27] <michaelfavia> bluetooth
[23:27] <michaelfavia> not bottorrent
[23:27] <michaelfavia> s/o/i
[23:27] <pygi> michaelfavia, not really, what's broken with it? :)
[23:27] <michaelfavia> the hidd binary is missing.
[23:27] <michaelfavia> and i cant tell if it is an intentional change ort not.
[23:27] <michaelfavia> i assume not
[23:27] <pygi> right, I could have read that above as well :)
[23:27] <Jordan_U> Is the fact that sounds stop playing when switching to another tty other than X an intended feature?
[23:28] <michaelfavia> hidd is the binary used to attach human input devices
[23:28] <michaelfavia> Jordan_U, unknown here.
[23:28] <pygi> well, alpha is generally broken, but it's more stable for me then gutsy :P
[23:28] <pygi> so I'll stay here :)
[23:28] <pygi> hopefully seahorse gets fixed soon, or I'll just submit a debdiff
[23:33] <coz_> so what happened  to hardy :)
[23:34] <michaelfavia> coz_, ?
[23:34] <coz_> michaelfavia, i am one of three people who were not able to boot into hardy after the last update this evening :)
[23:34] <michaelfavia> ;(
[23:35] <michaelfavia> is there a bug report? or a description of the issue?
[23:35] <coz_> michaelfavia, not sure just know that it is broken as of this evening  so far  but am   going to try to install again "without" shutting    down or rebooting :)