2008/02/09/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[01:21] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: hey! youre finally applying for membership
[01:21] <coreymon77> !
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:21] <coreymon77> Riddell: since i cant make it to the meeting tomorrow, i need my sleep
[01:21] <coreymon77> Riddell: i hereby give my 900000000% +1 to nosrednaekim, he really deserves it
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> oooooo wait.... 6am tomorrow morning? youch....
[01:22] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: yup
[01:22] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: id love to be there, i just cant
[01:22] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: but i give you my +1 now
[01:22] <coreymon77> Riddell: okay?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> I think its acceptable if you send it to the mailing list.
[01:23] <claydoh> that reminds me tu set up my wireless connection so I can join in tomorrow...
[01:23] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: trust me, i know, i applied through the mailing list, they made an exception for me since i could never make it to the meetings
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[01:23] <coreymon77> man, id really like to be there for nosrednaekim, but i just cant
[01:23] <coreymon77> that really sucks
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> haha, hope I can be there....
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> claydoh: hey, would you mind asking them to consider membership after 11:30
[01:25] <coreymon77> Riddell: ping
[01:25] <coreymon77> Riddell: you there?
[01:25] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: then i could be there for you too!
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: nah... its past midnight there.
[01:25] <claydoh> they should, but I will try to remember that for you :0
[01:25] <coreymon77> claydoh: where did Riddell go?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: he lives in UTC time... its past midnight there
[01:26] <claydoh> coreymon77: dunno, prob asleep?
[01:26] <coreymon77> so, im on irc past midnight
[01:26] <coreymon77> just not at 6 am
[01:27] <coreymon77> claydoh: how long is the meeting expected to go
[01:27] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: because we are in the same time zone right?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: hour ussually
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: EST
[01:27] <coreymon77> yup
[01:27] <claydoh> dunno, usually from what I see, it is about an hour, tho some loot to have gone longer
[01:28] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: so you are asking them to delay the member consideration for a good 4.5 hours?
[01:28] <claydoh> I have not made it in a while, many meetings are after a night shift for me, so I can't make it
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> no.... 11:30 UTC
[01:29] <coreymon77> oh
[01:29] <coreymon77> which is?
[01:30] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: for us
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> 6:30
[01:32] <coreymon77> oh, still cant make it
[01:35] <ForgeAus> hey cory :)
[01:36]  * claydoh thinks sleep is overrated :) 5-6hrs is plenty
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[09:03] <Jucato> looks like I won't be able to come to the meeting *again*... sorry :(
[09:04] <Jucato> oh wait... 11+8 = 19... 7pm... might make it after all :(
[09:05] <Jucato> er :)
[09:47] <apachelogger__> nixternal: multirow is done automagically, when space doesn't last anymore
[09:50] <apachelogger__> jpatrick: I saied merging btw, and get the debian maintainer to have a look at our changes, since they are probably as useful to them as to us
[10:19] <Hobbsee> oh, so that's why i can't go to bed yet.
[10:23]  * jpatrick waves to the channel
[10:24] <jpatrick> apachelogger__: poke pusling in #debian-qt-kde then :)
[10:54] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: you do syncs?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: not usually.  there's a sync script, though.  why?
[10:54] <jpatrick> bug #190320
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190320 in ubuntu "Please sync kde-style-domino 0.4-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190320
[10:56] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: it tends to be more effective to wait for them to us ethe proper scripts
[10:56] <Hobbsee> i'll only tend to sync things if it's something massively broken and important
[10:56] <jpatrick> I used requestsync
[10:56] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in three minutes #ubuntu-meeting
[11:01] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: Riddell can sync xwith teh proper scripts
[11:02] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: are your hands frozen or are you !leet? :D
[11:02] <Hobbsee> the latter.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i don't work for canonical.
[11:03] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: didn't say you did
[11:04] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: to expand on that, using the leet scripts that work well require access on canonical machines, which only employees have.
[11:04] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: ah, I see.
[11:07] <mhb> smarter: still working on it
[11:08] <smarter> ok
[11:14] <jpatrick> kiefer: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[11:14] <kiefer> Thanks mate
[11:16] <jpatrick> kiefer: take a look at that, and tell us what you'd prefer to spacialize in
[11:18] <kiefer> Okay, just finished reading it and heres my thoughts-
[11:18] <kiefer> Im currently studying for a diploma in IT (Programming and Software Dev.) So programming is a possibility, Im a pretty good Doc Writer (If I do say so) so that sounds like a good starting option, and as for artwork...well...im crap - lol :P
[11:19] <jpatrick> kiefer: nixternal is your man if you want doc work
[11:19] <kiefer> Would that be a good place for me to start?
[11:20] <jpatrick> I think the focus now is KDE 4 docs
[11:20] <kiefer> Some simple programming work would also be happily accepted, Im always willing to learn new things
[11:20] <kiefer> Ive been writing C/C++ code for about a year
[11:20] <kiefer> and Java for about 2 years
[11:21] <Jucato> re KDE 4 docs... the most important part is actually creating them afaik... but yeah, nixternal is the one you should poke about tit
[11:21] <Jucato> it*
[11:21] <Jucato> damn typo...
[11:21] <kiefer> Haha
[11:21] <jpatrick> kiefer: bzr co --lightweight http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy
[11:21] <kiefer> How should I go about contacting him?
[11:21] <jussi01> kiefer: bug fixing is also always a good thing ;)
[11:21] <jpatrick> kiefer: he's in here, sleeping
[11:21] <kiefer> always :)
[11:21] <Jucato> kiefer: when he's awake (in a few hours), just mention his name :)
[11:22] <jpatrick> kiefer: that command will get you the lastest documentation, that you can look around at
[11:22] <kiefer> Haha will do, im in Australia, and its like 10pm here, Ill be awake till about 4am
[11:23] <kiefer> Okay sweet, ill grab it now
[11:23] <kiefer> Thanks :)
[11:25] <jpatrick> kiefer: as for programming, you could ask mhb
[11:25] <Jucato> kiefer: oh then tomorrow.. around.. um... hm.. Hobbsee what time (your time) do you usually catch nixternal?
[11:26] <Jucato> jpatrick: for python, that is
[11:26]  * Hobbsee thinks
[11:26] <Hobbsee> lunchtime or something?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> afternoon?
[11:28] <kiefer> Well im always around so i will no doubt cross paths with him soon :P
[11:28] <Jucato> he'll be awake in a few (1 or 2) hours I bet
[11:29] <kiefer> Yeah ill be around, im watching Bad Boys atm, and it only just started so, ill be around
[11:30] <kiefer> And mhb, when should he be around?
[11:32] <Jucato> he's one of our python go-to guys... he should be around around this time iirc...
[11:32] <jussi01> he was just in the meeting before
[11:32] <mhb> kiefer: no clue
[11:33] <kiefer> Lmao damn..
[11:33] <Jucato> oh yeah right... he's here
[11:33] <kiefer> mhb: Well tell him to PM when he is around :)
[11:34] <kiefer> PM me*
[11:36] <mhb> kiefer: I'll have something now, I'll PM you later today, if you don't mind
[11:37] <kiefer> No problem, Im gonna be around for a few hours anyway :)
[11:41] <mhb> I'm off, will be back later today.
[11:41] <mhb> my +1 to Mike if he appears :o)
[11:45] <kiefer> Yeah Im off to make some food (Japanese noodles ftw :P) I'll be back in an hour or two to get more indo on how I can help :)
[11:45] <kiefer> info*
[11:47] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: !!!!!!!!
[11:48] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: #ubuntu-meeting
[11:48] <jpatrick> :-)
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> sorry!
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> the alarm did wakemeup...lol
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[12:37] <Lure> ups, forgot about meeting...
[12:37] <jpatrick> ....
[12:38] <Hobbsee> bad Lure.
=== jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | KDE 4.0.1! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Meeting Wed 20 23:00UTC
[12:38]  * Hobbsee almost forgot
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[12:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: kids need me too ;-)
[12:38]  * Lure -> lunch, bbl for plasma meeting at least
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Lure: you're very wanted, then ;)
[12:39] <jpatrick> Wed 20 23:00UTC < right date?
[12:40] <Jucato> I was about to ask.. what day would that be...
[12:40] <jpatrick> on our two-week thing, yes
[12:45] <claydoh> I might be able to make it to the next meeting too !
[12:45] <claydoh> yay
[12:45] <claydoh> i think I have that day off, usually am working
[12:45]  * Hobbsee won't be
[12:45] <Hobbsee> not that it makes much difference at this point, but still
[12:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it makes much difference... you're one of the very few people whose +1 is a heavyweight :)
[12:47] <Jucato> we only have +0.5 :D
[12:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:48] <Hobbsee> sure, but only on memberships and such now
[13:05]  * Hobbsee wonders how easy it is to get teh old kmenu back
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: easy
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> if you are talking about KDE4
[13:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: just use the Application Launcher Menu
[13:06] <Jucato> plasmoid
[13:07] <Hobbsee> ah right
[13:07] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: yes
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: yes, there is a "traditional" menu applet
[13:07] <Jucato> it's called the.. um... hm...
[13:07] <Hobbsee> ah goody
[13:07] <Jucato> Application Launcher Menu
[13:08]  * Hobbsee would only switch back at 4.1, most likely
[13:08] <Hobbsee> set it up a lot like gnome
[13:08] <Hobbsee> assuming all the bits were there
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: so is the other one ;)
[13:08] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: the kickoff one is "Application Launcher" only...
[13:08] <Jucato> notice the word "Menu"
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: oh excuse me... never mind :)
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> ya... it was cut off in my little add applet dialog ^_^
[13:09] <Jucato> :P
[13:13] <claydoh> wow apparently I am now the lead for my (extremely inactive)LoCo team
[13:51] <andersin> Is there a naming scheme for packages containing plasma applets (e.g. start with kde4-plasmoid-.....)
[14:24]  * mhb is back, if anyone wanted a word with him
[14:24] <mhb> kiefer: ping
[14:29] <mhb> hrm
[14:30] <mhb> is it me or has Ubuntu (again) developed an utility without looking at Kubuntu and checking for a common backend?
[14:31] <mhb> is research really the uncool thing to do?
[14:31] <mhb> or why do people totally forget it?
[14:31] <claydoh> the disk manager thing?
[14:32] <mhb> yeah
[14:32] <claydoh> I just read that now
[14:32] <claydoh> I agree
[14:35] <claydoh> is there anything better for QT/KDE?
[14:35] <smarter> link?
[14:36] <smarter> We have mountconfig in guidance
[14:36] <mhb> claydoh: we have the very same config tool
[14:36] <mhb> claydoh: for 3 releases at least
[14:37] <mhb> so the sane thing to do would be to come over and say "hi, we want that too, could we arrange for a common backend so we have to write less code"?
[14:38] <claydoh> lol sane
[14:38] <mhb> bad word... "wise" maybe
[14:39] <mhb> I'd understand if they used a different language or something... but when they use Python like us and they fail to contact us
[14:39] <mhb> it's a perfect example of a bad planning
[14:40] <claydoh> no, sane was good :)
[14:42] <mhb> I expect them to say "sorry, our code is almost finished now, we're not going to do anything for any common core, if you want it, *you* do it"
[14:44] <mhb> typisch ubuntisch ... man, one silly post and I'm so mad :o)
[14:58] <kiefer> Wow that was a great movie... Im back :)
[15:00] <mhb> kiefer: which one?
[15:00] <kiefer> Bad boys and Bad Boys II :P
[15:00]  * jpatrick considers dumping Debian development
[15:01] <mhb> why so?
[15:01] <mhb> jpatrick: I thought you've just started
[15:02] <Jucato> oh mhb, just the guy I'm looking for. do you have any recommended learning resource for Python for an intermediate C++ programmer like me?
[15:03] <mhb> Jucato: web or book?
[15:03] <mhb> I myself learned the basics from "Learning Python"
[15:03] <Jucato> web or ebook.. can't afford to buy another book at the moment :(
[15:03] <jussi01> isnt there an ebook in the repos?
[15:03] <Jucato> dive into python? is it good?
[15:04] <jussi01> !info diveintopython
[15:04] <ubotu> diveintopython (source: diveintopython): free Python book for experienced programmers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 340 kB, installed size 4220 kB
[15:04] <Jucato> the part about "experienced programmers" is the one that scares me :D
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. dive into python is good!
[15:04] <mhb> jpatrick: so what's the problem?
[15:04] <kiefer> Ive skimmed through dievintopython, and if you have done some C/C++ you should be able to comprehend most of it
[15:04] <Jucato> yeah jpatrick?
[15:04] <jussi01> where is the book once you install the package?
[15:05] <Jucato> [Notice] -jpatrick- Sorry, I'm not here (not here ...) <-- hehehe
[15:05] <Jucato> jussi01: /usr/share/doc
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: thats the purpose of dpkg -L ;)
[15:05] <jussi01> Jucato: ahh, thanks
[15:05] <Jucato> kiefer: yeah I've done C++.. but not so extensive. only finished my book last month, so I'm still a bit green
[15:06] <kiefer> Haha ohk, it tends to use lingo/jargon from other languages and show you their pythin counterparts
[15:06] <Jucato> of course, Dive into Python is updated May 2004 according to the site :)
[15:06] <kiefer> python*
[15:06] <Jucato> pythin... nice way to pronounce it ;)
[15:07] <jussi01> Jucato: I also have a free one from the web, more aimed at beginners, but you might want to look at it - byteofpython
[15:07] <kiefer> Haha, Acer520 laptop keyboard - a little annoying
[15:07] <jussi01> Jucato: I can email it across if you like
[15:07] <jpatrick> mhb: they have some "relibtoolize all KDE packages"
[15:07] <Jucato> jussi01: if I can't find it in 5 minutes :)
[15:07] <jussi01> Jucato: kk :P
[15:08] <jpatrick> ...policy
[15:08] <jpatrick> mhb: and I've tried five different ways I've found of doing it, and it doesn't cut the cheese...
[15:08] <Jucato> jussi01: of course I found it and downloaded it already :P
[15:09] <Jucato> thanks mhb, kiefer, jussi01
[15:09] <Jucato> I actually have a python book, "Practical Python"... unfortunately it left me more bewildered than enlightened after reading it
[15:09] <Jucato> it does have some pretty nifty "practical" projects though
[15:10] <mhb> jpatrick: packaging isn't much fun anyway
[15:10] <jpatrick> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00439.html - background
[15:11] <mhb> jpatrick: I myself am trying to minimize my participation in FLOSS projects so I can kind of live the other life
[15:11] <Jucato> mhb: good luck with that...
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[15:12] <jpatrick> Jucato: as for Python books, I tried many and didn't like them, coded by just fiddling with it
[15:12] <Jucato> jpatrick: although I'm wondering why they are worrying/addressing that *now*, when KDE 4 practically resolves that admin/ problem, and we're not going to have much more 3.5.x releases in the future
[15:12] <mhb> kiefer: so, you wanted to talk to me about...
[15:13] <Jucato> jpatrick: heh I'm not the tutorial type of guy I've realized... so I'm looking for good (e)books. :)
[15:13] <jpatrick> Jucato: that message is 3 years old
[15:13] <Jucato> jpatrick: lol! didn't look at the date hahaha
[15:13] <jpatrick> Jucato: and yes, cmake kills off any "relibtoolize" hell
[15:16] <kiefer> mhb: sorry i was reading something - Yeah i was interested in developing, starting with something simple, PM me maybe?
[15:16] <mhb> kiefer: I'm pretty sure we can talk here
[15:16] <mhb> it's on topic, after all
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> python bindings were just released for plasma.... ^_^
[15:16] <kiefer> Haha *Looks around the room cautiously* *whispers: you think its safe?*
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> kiefer: what languages do you know?
[15:17] <apachelogger> jpatrick: what exactly is the problem with the admin dir?
[15:18] <kiefer> Been programming C/C++ for about 1 year, and Java for 2 or so years though i havent done C/C++ for a while
[15:18] <jpatrick> apachelogger: read mail
[15:19] <kiefer> And a tiny bit of ASM, nothing very helpfull though lol
[15:19] <mhb> kiefer: I'm pretty sure it's safe... I mean I was creating sites with pornographic content even before I was of age :o)
[15:19] <mhb> makes a good reference :o)
[15:19] <kiefer> roffffl
[15:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: "evil and unnecessary files in it" not that this would explain it :P
[15:20] <kiefer> So, I was told if i wanted to get in on developing and contributing, i would need to speak to you mhb
[15:20] <mhb> kiefer: sure
[15:21] <Jucato> hhahah I specifically mentioned python :)
[15:21] <Jucato> so don't blame me :P
[15:21] <kiefer> But, the only issue is-
[15:21] <mhb> most of the apps we do are Python/QT, because you can do more in less time with python
[15:21] <kiefer> im a native windows guy, i only migrated to kubuntu a month or so ago, still learning my way around
[15:21] <mhb> same as with any higher-level language
[15:22] <kiefer> Yah, i took a peak a some python source, didnt seem to complex
[15:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger: basically a KDE package should not Depend: on a ton of other stuff, but the things it actually needs
[15:22] <mhb> kiefer: nah, it's pretty simple, that's the beauty of it
[15:22] <kiefer> it shouldnt take me long to grasp the basics of Python
[15:22] <kiefer> Haha ^_^
[15:22] <apachelogger> jpatrick: other stuff would for example be?
[15:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger: and for some reason, admin creates a recursive dependency hell
[15:22] <apachelogger> well, recursive does mean it depends on the package eitherway, doesn't it?
[15:23] <kiefer> I was hoping to get something simple to do first off, as i dont wanna commit to something i cant do
[15:23] <mhb> kiefer: of course, if you preferred the classic way of C++, you can join the KDE upstream project (those guys who participate in KDE)
[15:23] <mhb> but I guess starting with Kubuntu is a good thing
[15:23] <mhb> then perhaps finding the thing you like most
[15:23] <mhb> we're very beginner-friendly here
[15:24] <kiefer> haha ive noticed
[15:24] <jpatrick> apachelogger: example: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55342/
[15:24] <kiefer> im rather keen to learn python
[15:24] <kiefer> ive found there are few languages that cant be grasped in a short time after learning languages like C/C++ and Java
[15:26] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, pretty obvious it's recursive...
[15:27] <apachelogger> ...which makes it a kinda pointless issue IMHO
[15:27] <apachelogger> pointless issues should either be fixed 100% automagically or not at all
[15:27] <jpatrick> apachelogger: yep, I know, but they're so keen on it
[15:27]  * jussi01 does a hardy dance :D "its hardy time, hardy time... "
[15:27] <apachelogger> mhhh, makes me not wanna join development I guess
[15:28] <mhb> kiefer: well, the main python project we have (which sadly doesn't have much attention) is guidance
[15:28] <apachelogger> jpatrick: would be a perfect job for people which get paied for the time they invest ;-)
[15:28] <mhb> it's a set of python/kde configuration tools
[15:29] <apachelogger> mhb: is there actually any port going on right now?
[15:29]  * apachelogger is wondering whether embedding the KDE 3 version in the KDE 4 systemsettings would work
[15:29] <kiefer> mhb: Sounds cool, is there anything I can be responsible for? Im also getting into Doc writing..
[15:30] <mhb> kiefer: get the source code by "apt-get source kde-guidance" and take a look at it
[15:30] <kiefer> Will do
[15:30] <mhb> kiefer: try to read the code and understand what it does
[15:30] <mhb> I think the "userconfig" module is especially good for that - it's rather simple
[15:30] <kiefer> Alright, ill get back at you in 5-10 mins
[15:30] <mhb> sure
[15:30] <mhb> apachelogger: no.
[15:30] <apachelogger> nice
[15:30]  * apachelogger goes testing
[15:31] <mhb> apachelogger: I've done some systemsettings KDE4 testing myself
[15:31] <kiefer> mhb: where will the source be DL'd to?
[15:31] <mhb> your local directory
[15:31] <kiefer> Ohk, cheers
[15:31] <apachelogger> mhb: got anywhere?
[15:31] <mhb> apachelogger: yes and no.
[15:31] <apachelogger> cool ;-)
[15:32] <mhb> apachelogger: the good thing is that systemsettings' entries are just .desktop files
[15:32] <mhb> apachelogger: the bad thing is the parser is very strict, so they must be bound with another .desktop file which must contain a link to a KDE4 KCM module
[15:33] <mhb> so you can't just create a .desktop file with a "Exec=" option and wish that it executes correctly
[15:33] <mhb> it doesn't
[15:33] <mhb> if it doesn't contain a link to the KCM library, it ignores the .desktop file
[15:33] <apachelogger> :S
[15:34] <apachelogger> mhb: could we create some wrapper libraries?
[15:34] <apachelogger> very basic code, just to invoce the actual cm
[15:34] <mhb> well, we could create a "dummy" KCM library that executes what we want it to
[15:34] <mhb> that could be possible
[15:34] <mhb> but it's not trivial
[15:34] <apachelogger> :S
[15:35] <apachelogger> so we probably should patch the parser
[15:35] <mhb> yes, that's option 2
[15:36] <mhb> I expect it to be a bit easier
[15:36] <mhb> but you'd still have to do some code digging before you hit the gold
[15:42] <kiefer> mhb: So ive skimmed through some of the source, and most of it seems pretty self explanitory - Nothing i cant cope with
[15:47] <mhb> kiefer: I guess we should start with Qt/KDE introduction
[15:48] <kiefer> If you think thats whats needed, im really following your guidance here lol
[15:48] <mhb> kiefer: well those apps need porting to a new version of Qt, Qt4 (they're written in Qt3). The first task would be to design the UI in a Qt4 GUI building tool called "Qt designer"
[15:48] <kiefer> okay
[15:48] <kiefer> do continue..
[15:49] <mhb> it has a package in Kubuntu called "qt4-designer"
[15:49] <kiefer> should i be getting that now?
[15:49] <mhb> sure
[15:50] <Jucato> btw there's also https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE from Riddell
[15:50] <mhb> you can launch the app using the command "python userconfig.py" or "python mountconfig.py" in the respective directory
[15:51] <mhb> so I guess your first "real" job should be to open mountconfig, launch the Qt4 Designer app and recreate the UI of mountconfig in that application
[15:51] <mhb> (I've already got userconfig covered, that's why I recommend mountconfig)
[15:52] <kiefer> okie doke
[15:53] <kiefer> ill have a look at mountconfig while qt4-designer is installing
[15:53] <mhb> kiefer: the Qt designer app is really great, because you can drag and drop GUI elements pretty fast
[15:53] <mhb> you'll get to know what they are called and stuff...
[15:53] <kiefer> Haha, So it should be pretty simple? just mimic the existing interface right?
[15:53] <mhb> yeah
[15:53] <kiefer> Sounds easy
[15:54] <mhb> kiefer: actually the old "mountconfig" makes a mistake of having the UI hardcoded
[15:55] <mhb> that's not a good practice because modifying it later is hard
[15:55] <kiefer> ohk, yeah i can see where your coming from
[15:55] <mhb> using the Qt Designer you can create & edit stuff really easily, and it'll produce a file that can be used directly by your app
[15:56] <Jucato> dynamically loaded too right?
[15:56] <mhb> right
[15:56] <kiefer> wow, handy
[15:57] <kiefer> Uh-Oh...
[15:57] <mhb> trouble?
[15:57] <kiefer> Lemme paste-bin it
[16:00] <kiefer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55347/
[16:01] <mhb> kiefer: hmm
[16:02] <mhb> kiefer: it looks like somebody started with UI porting already
[16:02] <mhb> that's good
[16:02] <kiefer> Lol. the early bird gets the worm
[16:02] <mhb> you can try opening mountconfig-qt4.ui in Qt Designer
[16:02] <kiefer> Okay, will do - its installing now
[16:05] <kiefer> would the .ui file be in the mountconfig dir?
[16:05] <mhb> hmm
[16:05] <kiefer> i only see 'fuser_ui.ui"
[16:05] <mhb> yes
[16:05] <mhb> you use Gutsy, I presume
[16:05] <kiefer> Yeah
[16:06] <mhb> okay, plan B
[16:06] <mhb> you need to fetch the most up-to-date code by:
[16:06] <mhb> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance (it creates a guidance/ directory with the code)
[16:08] <mhb> it uses the Version Control System called SVN to check out (fetch) the most recent version of guidance in the KDE SVN server
[16:08] <kiefer> ohk, im installing svn atm :P
[16:11] <kiefer> okay done, where did it place the guidance/ dir?
[16:11] <mhb> in the current directory again
[16:11] <mhb> I hope
[16:11] <kiefer> haha ...yep it did
[16:12] <mhb> does it still produce the error when you run "python mountconfig.py" ?
[16:13] <kiefer> ...yeah, unfortunatly
[16:13] <mhb> hrm, must be some library
[16:13] <mhb> is your system fully updated?
[16:13] <kiefer> i believe so yeah
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[16:14] <kiefer> though, i am rather kubuntu newb
[16:14] <mhb> strange
[16:14] <kiefer> so i wouldnt trust what i say lol
[16:14] <mhb> could you try running "sudo apt-get update" in the console
[16:14] <kiefer> sure
[16:14] <mhb> (which refreshes the list of packages)
[16:15] <kiefer> yup, a big list
[16:15] <kiefer> lol
[16:15] <mhb> then try "sudo apt-get build-dep kde-guidance"
[16:15] <kiefer> kk
[16:15] <mhb> that should update (or install) all packages that are needed to build guidance
[16:15] <mhb> I hope it helps
[16:15] <kiefer> haha i guess we'll find out soon :P
[16:16] <kiefer> my net speed is suprisingley fast tonoght...
[16:16] <kiefer> well, for wireless anyway ^_^
[16:16] <kiefer> tonight*
[16:17] <kiefer> 179kb/s isnt bad considering its a pretty weak signal, the walls in my house are rather thick
[16:26] <mhb> Riddell: out of curiousity - are we going to see an official announcement about UDS soon?
[16:27] <kiefer> mhb: okay, all guidance build packages now installed...
[16:27] <mhb> kiefer: did it help?
[16:28] <kiefer> mhb: yup, works perfectly now :P
[16:28] <mhb> thank God
[16:28] <Riddell> mhb: at some point yes, dunno when
[16:28] <kiefer> haha
[16:28] <mhb> Riddell: okay, thanks.
[16:29] <kiefer> mhb: So should I move onto building a copy of it in qt4-designer now?
[16:30] <mhb> kiefer: well, first open the "mountconfig-qt4.ui" file and check how complete it is
[16:30] <kiefer> will do
[16:31] <kiefer> where should "mountconfig-qt4.ui" be located?
[16:32] <mhb> in the mountconfig/ directory
[16:32] <mhb> in the SVN checkout
[16:32] <mhb> is it there?
[16:33] <kiefer> the only 'ui file in there is fuser_ui.ui    :S
[16:33] <kiefer> .ui*
[16:33] <mhb> hmm
[16:33] <mhb> that means only one thing
[16:33] <kiefer> the world is coming to an end?
[16:33] <jjesse> i broke it?
[16:33] <kiefer> aliens exist?
[16:33] <mhb> that I myself have tried to do it earlier
[16:34] <mhb> well
[16:34] <mhb> let me paste bin it
[16:34] <kiefer> okie
[16:35] <kiefer> though i must warn you, while i greatly appreciate all the time you spending helping me out here, its almost 3:30am here, and i need sleep soon lol
[16:35] <mhb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55355/
[16:35] <mhb> ah, sorry
[16:36] <kiefer> Haha no problem, ive still got 15-30 mins in me
[16:37] <kiefer> with the pastebin text, i should save that as a *insert file extension here* file?
[16:37] <mhb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55356/ for the fuser_ui-qt4.ui
[16:38] <mhb> as a .ui file
[16:38] <mhb> both of them
[16:38] <kiefer> okie doke
[16:39] <mhb> hmm
[16:39] <mhb> so I guess the best thing to do
[16:39] <mhb> would be to look at those two
[16:39] <mhb> and create a .ui file for serviceconfig
[16:39] <mhb> I haven't tried that one yet :o)
[16:39] <mhb> now you have reference examples, which is even better :o)
[16:40] <kiefer> yeah :P cheers
[16:40] <mhb> so I propose you go to sleep today and try it tomorrow or whenever you have time
[16:40] <kiefer> haha, ill poke around for a bit then head off
[16:40] <mhb> great ... I hope we'll meet again :o)
[16:40] <kiefer> me too :)
[16:42] <kiefer> So to clarify, my goals for 2moz are: *Insert goals here please :) *
[16:43] <nosrednaekim> two words "world domination"
[16:43] <kiefer> thats been a goal for a long time ^_^
[16:43] <mhb> kiefer: just try and sketch the serviceconfig UI in the Qt4 designer app
[16:44] <kiefer> okay, ill hop to it in the morning, for now i think your right - bed time *yawns*
[16:44] <mhb> once you think it behaves well (there's a Preview option there so you can check how it looks like), we'll move on
[16:44] <kiefer> Night guys
[16:44] <kiefer> okay awesome :)
[16:44] <mhb> night
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> night
[16:44] <mhb> and thanks
[16:44] <mhb> hope you don't change your mind in the morning :o)
[16:44] <Jucato> (too late)
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> heh
[16:44] <mhb> right.
[16:45] <Jucato> mhb got himself an apprentice :)
[16:45] <mhb> Jucato: well
[16:45]  * Jucato imagines mhb in a Donald Trump way :)
[16:45] <mhb> Jucato: I've lost ~3 of those real fast
[16:45] <Jucato> ok, now that Trump image fits perfectly then :P
[16:45]  * Jucato imagines mhb point... "You're fired"
[16:45] <mhb> hehe :o)
[16:46] <mhb> it's usually "thanks for the enthusiasm, I hope to hear from you soon"
[16:46] <mhb> and they never come back
[16:46] <mhb> not that I'm angry :o)
[16:46] <mhb> that's how it works
[16:46] <mhb> for every 3 of them there's one nosrednaekim that stays
[16:46] <mhb> and that counts
[16:47] <Jucato> oh nosrednaekim was your apprentice?
[16:47] <mhb> nosrednaekim: congratulations on so many +1s at the meeting
[16:47]  * Jucato stays away....
[16:47] <mhb> no, not really
[16:47]  * nosrednaekim is now a multimillion $ reality show winner....
[16:47] <Jucato> do you still need nixternal's +1? same as claydoh?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I think so
[16:47] <Jucato> won't be too hard :)
[16:48] <Jucato> just give nixternal a shiny holographic vista sticker and you're good to go :P
[16:48] <mhb> nosrednaekim: too bad my +1 doesn't count (yet), otherwise you'd get it :o)
[16:48] <Jucato> mhb: you'll have your chance... council changes in May :D
[16:48] <mhb> excellent
[16:49] <mhb> better start my campaign soon
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I think you've been doing the campaign for the past two years :)
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> mhb: BTW, how is the new restricted manager going?
[16:52] <jussi01> !nixternal
[16:52] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> bwahaha
[16:53] <Jucato> mhb: what campaign? as if you had any competition around :)
[16:54]  * jussi01 goes to nominate, just so mhb can feel good when he wins...
[16:54] <Jucato> 3 months too early? :)
[16:55] <jussi01> Jucato: you can never start too early :P
[16:55]  * Jucato winds back the clock to 2006
[16:55] <Jucato> ok start now :)
[16:55] <jussi01> LOL
[16:57] <mhb> jussi01: well, there will be 2 places anyway
[16:57] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I wanted to hack on it right now, but I mentored a newcomer for a while
[16:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's pretty much working, just 2 larger things to do: download progress and notification icon
[16:58] <jussi01> hehe, dont think Im really experienced enough to go for it really...
[16:58] <mhb> I guess so.
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> I thought adept_batch had download rate?
[16:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it does
[16:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: but you need to download firmware, too
[16:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: for some drivers
[16:58]  * jussi01 goes to reboot, from the live cd to hardy
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> oh.... right.
[16:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: and that has to be done within r-m
[16:58] <Jucato> speaking of adept batch...
[16:59] <Jucato> mhb: I think there's a bug, dunno if it's really adept_batch, but looks more like language-selector-qt. since it's python, you might want to check it out or send someone to check it out :)
[17:00] <mhb> Jucato: in hardy? # ?
[17:00] <Jucato> bug 129186
[17:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186
[17:00] <mhb> there's a bug in Kaffeine that forced me to use Totem for viewing MPFC yesterday
[17:00] <Jucato> since gutsy...
[17:01] <Jucato> I'm actually thinking it's language-selector-qt, despite my last comment. seems like Adept Batch does return a value depending on success or failure, but the selector doesn't do anything about it if the user cancels downloading
[17:02] <Jucato> er.. not my last comment, but the 2nd to the last :P
[17:04]  * Jucato will have to ask mornfall or yuriy for some small adept help next week if he still can't figure out how Installer works by then...
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=5 << ubuntu catch-up ^_^
[17:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I've ranted about it a while ago
[17:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's not nice of them to dismiss our implementation and hack their own backend without trying to ask us on cooperating
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> heh... was some of the code borrowed from our mount config?
[17:12] <mhb> nosrednaekim: they've never asked about sharing code
[17:12] <Jucato> maybe they just took :)
[17:12] <mhb> nosrednaekim: so unless they took it without saying, they developed their own backend
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> ouch.....
[17:13] <mhb> which means someone will have to create a common backend soon
[17:13] <mhb> or otherwise, their app will get all the fixes and we'll just bit rot
[17:13] <mhb> I'm afraid they're going to say "sorry, our backend is finished, if you want to have a common core, *you* write it"
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> which is painfully typical.
[17:14] <mhb> so some good-natured Kubuntu fellow will have to fix their incorrect approach to research
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> >.<
[17:39] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[17:39] <coreymon77> how did the meeting go
[17:40] <mhb> it was not much
[17:40] <coreymon77> did nosrednaekim get +1?
[17:41] <mhb> yes but there wasn't enough council members
[17:41] <coreymon77> he deserves it
[17:41] <coreymon77> he deserved it before i ever did
[17:42] <coreymon77> i would have been there, it was just too early for me
[17:44] <mhb> Riddell: do you think that someone would add the packaging bits to the jockey kde frontend if I managed to finish the code soon?
[17:49]  * ScottK guesses jpatrick or apachelogger_ would be all over it.
[17:50] <apachelogger_> hehe
[17:50] <ScottK> Am I wrong?
[17:50] <apachelogger_> mhb: ye can bet your keyboard on that :P
[17:53] <mhb> apachelogger_: groovy.
[17:56] <apachelogger_> mhb: finished, just need the code :P
[17:58] <mhb> apachelogger_: I'm trying
[18:10]  * apachelogger_ is branching k-d-s
[18:14] <manchicken> So, I've heard that there are going to be better Perl bindings for KDE4.
[18:18] <manchicken> Ooh: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Perl+Qt4?content=69747
[18:19] <mhb> Perl?
[18:19] <mhb> hmm
[18:19] <manchicken> Yea :)
[18:19] <mhb> I love Python.
[18:19] <mhb> really.
[18:19] <manchicken> That's cool.
[18:20] <manchicken> Perl and Python know how to play nice from what I've heard :P
[18:20] <apachelogger_> I love Ruby.
[18:20] <manchicken> They're both pretty strong glue languages.
[18:20] <mhb> of course, Lisp is nice, too :o)
[18:20] <manchicken> Ruby is neat, syntactically, but its runtime is slow and buggy still.
[18:21] <manchicken> Perl has been around for 20 years now.  Python's been around at least half as long.  Ruby needs to take time to catch up.
[18:21]  * manchicken doesn't follow Python as much since it doesn't pay his bills...
[18:22] <manchicken> Woah woah woah, this guy replaced all of the Qt4 array-type classes (e.g. qvector, qlist) with Perl arrays...
[18:22] <manchicken> That's kinda stupid.
[18:22] <manchicken> Not even the Qt3 bindings did that.
[18:23] <manchicken> The Qt3 bindings had everything except for the network and filesystem classes.
[18:23] <manchicken> And threading classes.
[18:23] <manchicken> Which made them great for GUI scripts, but not so much for applications.
[18:25] <manchicken> The Perl Gnome2 libraries even give you VFS access.  That's nice.
[18:25] <jpatrick> manchicken: I'm a perl+Python+Ruby guy
[18:25] <manchicken> I'd like to see better Perl bindings for KDE.
[18:25] <manchicken> jpatrick: Cool.  I'm mostly Perl, but I've played in Python and Ruby, too.
[18:27] <manchicken> What's hilarious is that I bet I could use Qt3 libraries for the GUI and gnome2::vfs libraries for the actual asynchronous I/O and they'd work better together than just Qt3 or Qt4 bindings by themselves.
[18:27] <jpatrick> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132994
[18:27] <ubotu> KDE bug 132994 in general "Pluto is not a planet" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:27] <manchicken> Very nice.
[18:27] <ScottK> jpatrick: Got your SRU proposal ready for that?
[18:27] <manchicken> But the fix hasn't been released yet?
[18:28] <jpatrick> ScottK: :)
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[18:49]  * apachelogger_ needs a Riddell
[18:50] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: do you think splitting k-d-s in kde3 and kde4 makes all that much sense?
[18:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: yes, not everyone wants KDE 4
[18:51] <ScottK> Dear all KDE4 fanboys: Please don't break my existing, working KDE3 install that I use every day for actual $WORK and needs to not die.
[18:51] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: yeah
[18:51] <apachelogger_> but the paths are different anyway
[18:52] <ScottK> apachelogger_: If you want something to do, updating eric to 4.1.0 might be nice.
[18:52] <apachelogger_> also, if we split, either -kde4 needs to depend on the kde3 or we have to duplicate the data
[18:53] <apachelogger_> ScottK: eric?
[18:53] <ScottK> It's an Python IDE written in QT.  It's an alternative to Idle (thing Monty Python references).
[18:54]  * apachelogger_ raises his finger
[18:54]  * jpatrick hugs his vim
[18:54] <apachelogger_> ruby
[18:54] <jpatrick> ScottK: see what I said about Ruby and apachelogger_ ? :-)
[18:54] <ScottK> Which finger?
[18:55] <apachelogger_> the one I press the J button with :P
[18:55] <apachelogger_> s/button/key
[18:56] <ScottK> jpatrick: I'm pretty sure I'm about to advocate kde4-style-bespin if you want to be looking it over again to we might get it uploaded.
[18:56]  * apachelogger_ is wondering
[18:57] <apachelogger_> didn't I advocate?
[18:57] <apachelogger_> or did I wait for someone else, since I was ready to upload?
[18:57] <apachelogger_> *shrug*
[18:57] <jpatrick> ScottK: I thought I did
[18:57] <apachelogger_> ah
[18:57] <apachelogger_> I think I wanted an update
[18:57] <apachelogger_> so apparently I did wait for jpatrick to advocate :P
[18:58] <ScottK> jpatrick: You did, but he had some stuff to fix, so it needs it again.
[18:58] <jpatrick> ScottK: if he did +1
[18:58] <ScottK> jpatrick: Please go to REVU and mark it.
[18:59] <jpatrick> I am, it's just lagging
[18:59] <ScottK> K
[19:01] <jpatrick> ScottK: done
[19:02] <ScottK> K.  Just finished the test build here.  Let me check a few things and then I'll probably upload it.
[19:16] <Lure> Riddell: sorry for missing the meeting today - I am fine giving my +1 for nosrednaekim and claydoh
[19:16]  * Lure still needs to integrate one nosrednaekim's patch in guidance ;-)
[19:18] <Lure> Riddell: re: kmilo brightness support: I can easly give you debdiff for dcop, but problem is that gutsy testers claim that it does not help :-(
[19:23] <ScottK> jpatrick: Sadly no.  That wasn't it.  The man page error persists.
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[20:01] <nixternal> Riddell: claydoh and nosrednaekim get a +1 from me
[20:04] <nixternal> mornin' by the way :)
[20:04] <jjesse> will addiotnal widgets only bereleased through the extragears package or can somoene get them from something like kde-look?
[20:04] <jjesse> its afternoon nixternal
[20:04] <nixternal> jjesse: yes
[20:04] <nixternal> :)
[20:04] <nixternal> to both actually
[20:04] <nixternal> I think widgets will be able to be pulled in from the Get Hot New Stuff stuff
[20:04] <jjesse> but not in the hardy time frame?
[20:04] <nixternal> ya, I just woke up about 30 minutes ago :)
[20:04] <nixternal> 4.1
[20:04] <nixternal> so hardy+1
[20:05] <jjesse> ok
[20:05] <jjesse> will the extragears package be installed via default
[20:08] <jjesse> also what is the name of the icon in the top right of my desktop?
[20:08] <apachelogger_> Riddell: kde4 stuff pushed sto k-d-s, please have a look at it
[20:08] <jjesse> that allows me to add packages, zoom out, etc?
[20:12] <Lure> jjesse: Plasma Toolbox
[20:12] <jjesse> thanks Lure
[20:12] <Lure> jjesse: from here http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
[20:24] <jjesse> ah thanks page is helping out
[20:26] <jjesse> why aren't default kde applications in spell check?
[20:26] <jjesse> such as Kopete shows up as misspelled in open office
[20:28] <ScottK> jjesse: Open Office isn't a KDE application is I would guess the reason.
[20:29] <jjesse> yeah i but i iwsh ther was a way for the kde apps to already in spell check
[20:29] <jjesse> heck the "ubuntu apps"
[20:30] <selckin> make it :)
[20:49] <smarter> iirc, there's an "ubuntu" dictionnary in the OOo shipped by ubuntu
[20:52] <ScottK> smarter: I still got the same error on your bespin package.  Let me know when you've got it shaped up and I"ll look again.
[20:55] <smarter> ScottK: that's strange, I followed what lintian said ([:u] instead of ü), I don't know if there's another way :/
[20:55] <ScottK> Hmmm
[20:57] <ScottK> Kmanpart displays it correctly, so I'm not going to worry about it then.
[20:57] <smarter> ScottK: how do you get this warning?
[20:57] <ScottK> Ran lintian -Ii against the .deb
[20:57] <ScottK> That's a big i and an little i
[20:58] <smarter> it doesn't output anything
[20:58] <ScottK> Do you have the version from gutsy-backports or Hardy?
[20:58] <smarter> I'm running hardy
[20:59] <ScottK> Hmmm
[20:59] <smarter> --help says v1.23.42
[21:00] <ScottK> Weird.  Same version I've got.
[21:00]  * ScottK is gonna go ahead and upload it.
[21:00] <smarter> hold on a sec'
[21:01] <ScottK> K
[21:02] <smarter> strange
[21:02] <smarter> I ran lintian on kde4-style-bespin_0.1\~svn080206-0ubuntu1_source.changes and got "md5sum-mismatch-in-changes-file", it disappeared after another debuild -S -sa
[21:02] <smarter> should I reupload?
[21:03] <ScottK> It probably means you changed something.
[21:03] <smarter> I'm uploading, we'll see the debdiff ;)
[21:04] <ScottK> K
[21:10] <smarter> ScottK: it is empty :o http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/diff.py?upid1=1874&upid2=1883
[21:11] <ScottK> Yeah
[21:11]  * ScottK is gonna upload unless you want another shot at it.
[21:12] <smarter> ScottK: go ahead :)
[21:13] <ScottK> Done.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[21:14] <smarter> thank you too (:
[21:14] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: you around?
[21:14] <smarter> The QDevelop package is close to be ready now I think
[21:14] <smarter> I'm talking with the upstream author to get ride of the get-orig-source
[21:15] <smarter> the fact that he is french help a lot :)
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[22:45] <seele> how do you know which kde project to submit a bug under in launchpad?
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[22:53] <nixternal> heh, watching Jonos talk at SCALE, and the LOCO map he is showing is mine..need to tell him that I didn't copyright for him to use :p
[22:53] <nixternal> seele: you kind of need to know I guess...it can be a pita at times
[22:54] <nixternal> you need to know what apps belong to kdebase, kde* this and that
[22:54] <seele> yeah.. which i dont really know
[22:54] <mhb> launchpad is not all roses
[22:54] <nixternal> so true
[22:54] <mhb> do you know of any profound git vs. bzr article?
[22:55] <nixternal> I don't even understand it fully and I have been messing with it for a few years now
[22:55] <nixternal> mhb: there is an article out there that actually goes over quite a few of the revision control systems
[22:55] <nixternal> it is fairly recent too
[22:55] <mhb> because I thought git is harder to use, but then I read the tutorial and it seems quite easy to use
[22:55] <mhb> also "git dissect" seems awesome
[22:55] <nixternal> git is pretty nice, so is mercurial
[22:56] <mhb> there's a lot of apps adopting git
[22:56] <mhb> and you know I am very much against having two apps do the same thing
[22:57] <mhb> if git were as good as bzr, I'd say use it.
[22:57] <mhb> of course, I'm very much like Linus sometimes.
[22:58] <mhb> (w.r.t. opinions, not skill :o)
[22:58] <ScottK> If I ran into bzr anywhere but Ubuntu I'd consider it.
[22:58] <toma> quote alert
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[22:58] <mhb> toma: quote alert?
[22:58] <mhb> :o)
[22:58] <nixternal> whenever I push or pull large updates with bzr, I kind of feel like I am watching a "Windows Update"...a little movement, but who knows what is going on :)
[22:59] <mhb> I meant I'm a self-centered bastard, not a good programmer
[22:59]  * nixternal goes to put on some lotion
[22:59] <mhb> nixternal: well if there was an app that does the same thing but faster (and git is by all references faster)
[22:59] <seele> it puts it on its skin, or it gets the hose again
[23:00] <ScottK> nixternal: TMI
[23:01] <mhb> what do you folks think?
[23:01] <mhb> do you have any XP with git? Bad ones, preferably?
[23:02] <selckin> git is great
[23:03] <mhb> selckin: well
[23:03] <ScottK> Both git and bzr take some mindset adjustments when coming from cvs/svn that I haven't had the spare brain cycles to get through yet.
[23:03] <nixternal> seele: hahaha, quit watching Joe Dir!
[23:03] <nixternal> err, Joe Dirt, pronounced Deertay
[23:03] <selckin> ones you get over that ScottK you'll never want to use anything but git
[23:04] <ScottK> May be.  Dunno yet.
[23:04] <nixternal> ScottK: I am with you and those brain cycles...SVN is just so much easier for me
[23:04] <mhb> selckin: I would be happy if you were right
[23:04] <mhb> selckin: however, I am a science-type guy, and I like facts
[23:04] <nixternal> ya, I heard people say the same thing about Mercurial
[23:05] <nixternal> but why is the executabled called 'hg'?
[23:05] <selckin> git is just a better mercurial
[23:05] <nixternal> hg clone http://some.where.on.the.net/
[23:07] <mhb> nixternal: you don't know?
[23:07] <mhb> nixternal: man you were bad at chemistry
[23:07] <nixternal> yup, failed it and never took it again
[23:07] <nixternal> and that was about 20 years ago too
[23:07] <mhb> nixternal: we had to take it
[23:08] <mhb> nixternal: for about 5 years
[23:08] <mhb> at high school
[23:08] <nixternal> I got around it by taking Biology and Botany
[23:08] <mhb> hg is a chemical name for mercury
[23:08] <mhb> hydrargyrum
[23:08] <ScottK> name/symbol for the pedantic in the room.
[23:09] <mhb> ScottK: me?
[23:09] <mhb> or what do you mean?
[23:10] <mhb> ah, now's the bad part - the bad old guy is going to shoot Farrell
[23:34] <ScottK> hg is a chemical symbol, not a chemical name.
[23:34] <mhb> ScottK: and I am Czech, not English.
[23:35] <ScottK> Of course.
[23:35] <ScottK> The pedantic one was me.
[23:35] <mhb> ScottK: but thanks, next time I'll try to say it correctly.
[23:50] <mhb> silent again? aww
[23:51] <seaLne> nixternal: so did you work out if the kubuntu tshirts would fit you?