2008/02/06/#edubuntu.txt

[00:54] <humbolto> somebody still awake?
[00:55] <humbolto> I have some weird problem with my ltsp server
[00:55] <humbolto> I just upgraded from edgy to gutsy and now, when my clients boot, they get stuck after tftp has transfered the kernel image.
[00:56] <humbolto> the thing stops for 5 minutes or so and the everything goes on normally.
[04:04] <nixternal> RichEd: I need to have some IRC time privately with you and ogra when you both get some time to sit down..concerning Edubuntu chapter of the book..just have a few questions on some things before I rock it out this week
[04:47] <humbolto> Hey, I got a little problem here with LTSP gutsy/hardy.
[04:48] <humbolto> On some clients the boot process freezes for about 5 minutes right after tftp kernel download is finished.
[04:48] <humbolto> I had this working once tonight, but I don't know what killed it again.
[04:48] <humbolto> Does anybody have any idea?
[04:49] <humbolto> Some hint?
[04:49] <kgoetz> is it a server or client side issue?
[04:49] <humbolto> well, I have no idea!
[04:49] <humbolto> It might be a config issue.
[04:50] <humbolto> I am wondering if I might have put something wrong in dhcpd.conf.
[04:51] <humbolto> I tried so many things, but could not figure out what triggers this.
[04:52] <humbolto> Seems like the machines with the boot ROMs have problems, while the one with the bootdisk seems fine.
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[07:17] <RichEd> nixternal: sure ... we have the late edubuntu meeting tonight 20h00 UTC so ogra & i should be around when you wake up
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[12:01] <stgraber> ogra: ping
[12:01] <ogra> stgraber, pong
[12:01] <stgraber> ogra: Who can I ping about a QT issue ? (italc of course)
[12:01] <stgraber> our remaining bug which causes the demo mode to fail seems to be a QImage bug and not an iTalc one (at least it's upstream's opinion)
[12:02] <ogra> ask riddell
[12:02] <stgraber> "[unknown] ASSERT: "i >= 0 && i < height()" in file image/qimage.cpp, line 1712" is the thing
[12:03] <stgraber> with an interesting backtrace ... http://paste.stgraber.org/141
[12:23] <stgraber> ogra: that looks like an evil bug, even Riddell doesn't know how to fix it (or workaround a QT bug)
[12:23] <stgraber> ogra: I'll ask #kde-devel
[12:23] <ogra> and file it upstream probably ?
[12:23] <ogra> not all QT devs might be on IRC ;)
[12:24] <stgraber> yes, well I need a quick fix for it (or at least a workaround), FF is next week ...
[12:25] <ogra> right
[12:25] <ogra> how important would you consider the demo mode ?
[12:26] <ogra> i mean, could we just drop the UI stuff for it for this release without loosing to much functionallity ?
[12:26] <stgraber> I think in order of importance here it's : Overview, Control, Demo, Lock
[12:27] <ogra> demo is share teadchers desktop with the students, right ?
[12:27] <stgraber> everything else works fine so I certainly just can disable the demo mode but it's a regression from what we had in tcm
[12:27] <stgraber> yes
[12:27] <ogra> hmm and te demo mode was actually the only vnc related thing that worked without probs :/
[12:27] <ogra> (in TCM)
[12:29] <stgraber> asking in QT devel chan at the moment (as it's not really related to KDE)
[12:31] <ogra> indeed
[12:40] <stgraber> They don't seem to have an idea of what is this bug (they are thinking of an application bug ...), I'm downloading QT's source code to check what there are at that 1712th line in qimage.cpp
[12:55] <nblracer> hello
[12:56] <RichEd> nblracer: was it you asking about guidance on a roaming network setup yesterday ?
[12:57] <nblracer> yes
[12:57] <RichEd> well ask again now ... there are people around who could give you some pointers
[12:57] <nblracer> im looking though the cook book now
[12:58] <RichEd> ah ... i'll also send you a mail extract from a teacher in the US who has a mac/edubuntu/win mix & match environment
[12:58] <RichEd> with roaming students
[12:59] <nblracer> but a little heads up im not planning to use edubuntu, on any of the clients or the server
[13:00] <RichEd> np ... just the ideas he uses for profile and office setup
[13:01] <nblracer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Networking
[13:02] <nblracer> "In the thin-client configuration...."
[13:02] <nblracer> that not what i want
[13:02] <nblracer> ekks that is almosty scary, how slow that will be
[13:03] <nblracer> I'm looking for a more sync system
[13:05] <nblracer> i wish i had what i said yesterday, i worded well
[13:10] <RichEd> ogra & stgraber : where are the channel logs located ? nblracer wants to peek back into yesterday
[13:10] <stgraber> !logs
[13:10] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[13:10] <nblracer> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/05/
[13:10] <nblracer> bah beet me to it
[13:11] <nblracer> google knows all
[13:12] <nblracer> hey im looking for a guide/turtoral/help on setting up a small network with 5 or so computers, with something simmilar to roming profiles, So any one can login into any of the computers and it would sync up with other computers and/or a server with all there personal data and settings.
[13:12] <nblracer> :P
[14:50] <markvandenborre> anyone with an idea of the performance of rdp from a bunch of pxe edubuntu clients?
[14:51] <markvandenborre> the thin client server is not too powerful, but if I'm not mistaken this one wouldn't be doing a lot of work, right?
[14:51] <markvandenborre> please ask if my question is not clear
[14:57] <yotux> I am coming from ubuntu and I have old user accounts that I still want to use
[14:57] <yotux> I can not log into x it says there an issue with xinit or something anyone offer advice
[14:58] <stgraber> markvandenborre: by rdp you mean the remote desktop protocol ? (rdp5 and rdesktop as client) ?
[14:58] <markvandenborre> yes
[14:58] <stgraber> you can install rdesktop in the chroot and then have it running on the thin client
[14:59] <stgraber> or do you also need a gnome session for normal use ?
[14:59] <markvandenborre> stgraber: might be the case, yes
[15:00] <stgraber> ok, so rdesktop itself doesn't eat much CPU
[15:00] <markvandenborre> is there some prepackaged rdp client setup?
[15:00] <markvandenborre> it's more the network that I'm scared of
[15:00] <stgraber> aptitude install rdesktop and then just write a small shell script
[15:00] <stgraber> RDP works fine on 56k with the right settings
[15:00] <markvandenborre> oh
[15:01] <stgraber> so you won't kill your network with it
[15:01] <markvandenborre> right... that would be a good solution
[15:01] <markvandenborre> btw: this is not for me, haven't touched windows in years
[15:01] <markvandenborre> I'm just selling an old server I had laying around on ebay
[15:02] <markvandenborre> together with some recycled clients
[15:02] <stgraber> even with -x LAN (32bit + background + all the effects) it works fine with ~20 clients on a 100Mb/s link
[15:02] <markvandenborre> in the hope that someone might pick it up
[15:02] <markvandenborre> and start experimenting
[15:02] <markvandenborre> now someone's interested, and he asks if he can also do rdp
[15:02] <markvandenborre> so you've been a great help
[15:09] <yotux> can anyone offer advise on how to import users from  install into edubuntu
[15:10] <markvandenborre> yotux: you had users on an old machine?
[15:11] <markvandenborre> and now you want to migrate them to a new one?
[15:11] <yotux> I was running ubuntu 7.10 this morning
[15:11] <yotux> I am now running edubutnu 7.10
[15:11] <markvandenborre> ok
[15:11] <yotux> I get xsession errors
[15:11] <markvandenborre> on a single desktop?
[15:11] <yotux> I have setup my house with ltsp this morning
[15:12] <yotux> I can't log-in on the server and I can not login on a thin client
[15:14] <yotux> here is the error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54987/
[15:14] <yotux> I'm not new to linux but I am not at the level of debugging :(
[15:14] <yotux> I have emails and other docs that I do not want to loose
[15:15] <yotux> I thought that I could just use my old home partition without any problems I see that I am wrong :(
[15:19] <markvandenborre> yotux: sorry, have to go
[15:19] <yotux> ok
[17:17] <juliux> ogra, ping
[17:17] <juliux> ogra, did you heared something from openthinclient.org?
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[18:19] <humbolto> does anybody know what could cause my terminals to stop booting for about 5 minutes right after tftp has finished downloading the boot image? after all the .......
[18:59] <RichEd> ogra: ^ from above
[18:59] <RichEd> <humbolto> does anybody know what could cause my terminals to stop booting for about 5 minutes right after tftp has finished downloading the boot image? after all the .......
[18:59] <RichEd> humbolto: also ask in #ltsp ...
[19:06] <humbolto> RichEd: Well, they used to boot with no problems in Ubuntu LTSP Edgy. But now I have this problem. Therefore, this is a regression caused by Ubuntu, so I have to ask here.
[19:07] <humbolto> RichEd: My guess is, that maybe the boot ROM I was using with Edgy LTSP might not be 100% compatible with the boot image format in Gutsy. What do you guys think?
[19:07] <RichEd> humbolto: sure ... happy with that logic ... s'just that our LTSP is the latest version from the core ltsp team who hang out in #ltsp
[19:07] <RichEd> ogra could help you here, but he is probably taking a break before our late night meeting
[19:08] <RichEd> but jammcq or sbalneaves or vagrant may be in #ltsp on US time and more alert there
[19:08] <ogra_cmpc> humbolto: thats an upgraded system ? or a fresh install ?
[19:08]  * RichEd realises he used ogra's usual nick and not his current one ... 
[19:08] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: Upgrade, while the ltsp-client environment was built from scratch.
[19:09] <ogra_cmpc> so you went edgy->feisty->gutsy as noted in the upgrade notes ?
[19:10] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: Everything else seems quite fine. And the systems that boot from a floppy do not show this delay.
[19:10] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: edgy -> feisty -> gutsy yes.
[19:10] <ogra_cmpc> what kind of image is that ? rom-o-matic or something special ?
[19:10] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: tried a gutsy and a hardy client environment, both showed the same result
[19:10] <humbolto> rom-o-matic
[19:11] <ogra_cmpc> if you use rom-o-matic ones i'd suggest using the pxe emulation mode they include
[19:12] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: Which means the boot from the ROM a PXE loader?
[19:12] <ogra_cmpc> right, the etherboot rom behaves like a pxe client
[19:13] <humbolto> so that would be the .zpxe image then?
[19:13] <ogra_cmpc> there is a checkbox for pxe emu in the rom-o-matic settings no idea if that has a special extension in the end
[19:14] <humbolto> ok. I got this on #ltsp: i think it switched from using mkelf-linux to mkelfimage for the network bootable images
[19:14] <humbolto> and that: well, ltsp5 hasn't ever used mknbi, so i don't think that's your problem. but the switch from mkelf-linux to mkelfimage *might* be your problem. i don't know when that happened in ubuntu
[19:14] <humbolto> any comments?
[19:17] <humbolto> I regularly search the web for documents on the current LTSP design in Ubuntu. I never found anything explaining the latest architectural decisions.
[19:17] <humbolto> Is there a wiki page somewhere?
[19:17] <humbolto> There must be some document, some place you use to coordinate yourself.
[19:21] <ogra_cmpc> the best doc source on ltsp5 is teh edubuntu handbook atm installed on everz edubuntu system
[19:25] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: Saw the online version. Addresses Users but does not help much when troubleshooting a layer deeper. Things like nbd-server are not even mentioned there.
[19:26] <ogra_cmpc> hmm i thought there is a whole section ...
[19:26] <ogra_cmpc> the online version was onlz recentlz brought up to date
[19:29] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: OK, I'll check the offline version.
[19:30] <laga> ogra_cmpc: saw the mythbuntu plugin? ;)
[19:31] <ogra_cmpc> laga: yes, there were some changes i wanted to suggest but i have no working browser around atm
[19:31] <ogra_cmpc> (very limited env here atm)
[19:31] <laga> ogra_cmpc: any suggestions are appreciated, thanks
[19:31] <ogra_cmpc> laga: i'll make some comments on the bug tomorrow
[19:32] <laga> ogra_cmpc: take your time. i won't have time to make any changes till the end of the month unfortunately
[19:32] <ogra_cmpc> ok, but note that feature freeze is on valentine ... and ltsp is in main
[19:33] <laga> ogra_cmpc: hum. i've already got my mythbuntu-diskless package again so i could just slip my files in via an update. i'll try to make those changes you suggested before valentine's, though
[19:52] <RichEd> === edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting = 8 mins
[19:56] <humbolto> RichEd: Will the chat protocol of this meeting be available somewhere?
[19:56] <RichEd> humbolto: "chat protocol" ... you mean like rules about how we discuss things ?
[19:57] <humbolto> RichEd: no, log.
[19:57] <ogra_cmpc> humbolto: all ubuntu channels are logged on irclogs.ubuntu.com but feel free to attend its an open meeting :)
[19:57] <humbolto> ogra_cmpc: Great.
[19:59] <ogra_cmpc> juliux: nobody contacted me from there afair
[19:59] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, i read that they use ubuntu so i think there was some communication
[19:59] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[19:59] <ogra_cmpc> great they use ubuntu though :)
[20:15] <Pascal_1> hello,
[20:15] <Pascal_1> i've got already a samba server and a ldap server, then my windows client can connect on the pdc with an ldap autentication.
[20:15] <Pascal_1> My question is : is it possible to make it works same way for thin client with edubuntu ?
[20:15] <Pascal_1> i mean when thin client connect on edubuntu server, is it possible that the authentication based on samba ??
[20:17] <RichEd> Pascal_1: we're mostly in the meeting now
[20:17] <RichEd> wait for ogra / ogra_cmpc later ... around 2 hours
[20:17] <Pascal_1> what do you mean ? my english is not really good      :-'
[20:17] <Pascal_1> ok
[20:18] <RichEd> Pascal_1: = edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting <- we are all in there
[20:19] <stgraber> Pascal_1: you can use LDAP login on your edubuntu server
[20:19] <Pascal_1> but this is not the place for that kind of question no ??
[20:19] <stgraber> Pascal_1: you can read abut it in Ubuntu's wiki (I can give you an URL after the meeting) or maybe even in ubuntu-fr's wiki
[20:19] <Pascal_1> stgraber: i would like to make it works as  with my windows client
[20:21] <Pascal_1> yes if you can url interst me
[20:23] <stgraber> Pascal_1: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ldap_client
[20:24] <Pascal_1> thanks a lot stgraber
[20:25] <stgraber> np
[20:26] <Pascal_1> RichEd:  as i dont want disturb meeting on the other channel what do you mean with : f.y.i. meeting format is 1st session : tech (mostly related to development)
[20:27] <RichEd> we discuss issues related to development and the next release
[20:27] <johnny> he's saying answers are going to be slower in here during the meeting i think
[20:27] <RichEd> so programming work / progress / issues & artwork & CD structure etc.
[20:28] <RichEd> so as johnny comments, the tech people will be busy focussing on that discussion more than on questions here
[20:28] <RichEd> ( for a while - like 1- 2 hours )
[20:28] <RichEd> hey pygi ... we're in da meetin
[20:29] <pygi> hello RichEd
[20:30] <Pascal_1> RichEd: i understood that it's for that reason i didnt say anything on this chan ;-)
[20:30] <Pascal_1> stgraber: i found that also : http://www.gesnel.fr/ubuntu/2007/05/30/integration-de-clients-ubuntu-dans-un-reseau-avec-ldap/
[20:31] <stgraber> Pascal_1: ok, this one is a bit more complete as it also describes the way you can have network drives auto-mounted using libpam-mount
[20:32] <Pascal_1> yes !!!   great !!!
[20:34] <Pascal_1> thanks again all for your help bye
[20:35] <johnny> nixternal, where are you?
[20:35] <nixternal> Chicago, but I am probably moving back to MD in the next few months
[20:35] <nixternal> I have a house in southern MD
[20:35] <johnny> where in southern md?
[20:36] <nixternal> Lexington Park area
[20:36] <nixternal> down by the base
[20:36] <nixternal> I was stationed at Patuxent River for a couple of years...my x-wife and daughter live there still
[20:37] <johnny> lexington park is a city?
[20:37] <nixternal> heh, barely, but ya
[20:38] <nixternal> Lexington Park, Ridge, California, Hollywood, Leonardtown...all in St. Mary's County
[20:38] <johnny> too far :(
[20:38] <nixternal> you up by bmore?
[20:38] <johnny> in bmore
[20:38] <johnny> as of june
[20:40] <nixternal> cool...my cousin just moved back there as well...I am probably going to actually move somewhere around DC unless I take a job on the base down by my x and daughter
[21:03] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: which challenge?
[21:05] <ogra_cmpc> two meetings in one room at the same time :)
[21:05] <juliux> i have something from the marketing front;) 300 edubuntu coffee mugs are ordered
[21:05] <juliux> and i am still waiting to get edubuntu flyers from RichEd
[21:05] <highvoltage> juliux: \o/
[21:06] <RichEd> juliux: let's just make sure that nixternal covered what he needed ... rich ?
[21:06] <highvoltage> RichEd: btw, been meaning to ask you, are you part of our loco-tem yet?
[21:06] <johnny> ogra so what's the current status of ltsp in hardy?
[21:06] <johnny> vagrantc fixed autologin and added an optional guest login option to go along with it
[21:06] <ogra_cmpc> didnt change much ... apart from my local install
[21:06] <johnny> which is pretty cool..
[21:06] <ogra_cmpc> right
[21:07] <RichEd> highvoltage: i been avoiding getting sucked in locally :) so not yet no
[21:07] <ogra_cmpc> i'll pull the most recent upstream code next week, that has vagrants fixes
[21:07] <ogra_cmpc> well, actually francis' fixes
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[21:07] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, prepared to be sucked it soon :)
[21:07] <highvoltage> *prepare
[21:07] <highvoltage> man I need sleep
[21:07] <RichEd> *in
[21:07] <highvoltage> yes, that too :)
[21:08] <RichEd> === sorry quick comment regarding the naming discussion ===
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> johnny: as i said in the tech section before i'm mainly focused to get consolekit working, else we can dump ltsp
[21:08] <RichEd> there is no intention for unilateral action about dropping the name edubuntu ...
[21:08] <johnny> i wasn't in there at that point
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[21:08] <RichEd> we'll keep chatting about it, and will schedule a session for UDS to discuss the new add-on structure and any implications
[21:09] <johnny> guess i'l have to go read logs at some point
[21:10] <RichEd> part of the reason for adding "ubuntu education edition" into the name is that there are hundreds of computer manufacturers or system builders who are all wanting to pre-install unbuntu
[21:10] <highvoltage> ubuntu- that sounds like a cool name actually.
[21:10] <highvoltage> (unbuntu, even)
[21:11] <RichEd> not all of them - especially the foreign language companies - make it all the way in their "research" to get to edubujtu and understand it
[21:11] <RichEd> *edubuntu
[21:11] <RichEd> i.e. what it offers them and their clients
[21:11] <RichEd> but if we introduce the concept of "do you want an education edition of Ubuntu" then it is very simple and clear to them
[21:12] <RichEd> and some will chose to pre-install the whole edubuntu bundle
[21:12] <RichEd> and some will select some components from the bundle, and go with that
[21:12] <RichEd> --
[21:13] <highvoltage> ok
[21:13] <johnny> there's only two mentions of consolekit in the log
[21:13] <highvoltage> goodnight guys
[21:13] <RichEd> highvoltage: that post is pure coincidence and absolute synergy .. he gives the same motivation and benefits
[21:14] <ogra_cmpc> johnny: there is nothing uploaded
[21:14] <RichEd> highvoltage: before you go ...
[21:14] <highvoltage> RichEd: heh, I wondered what you would say about that. have you read the comments?
[21:14] <ogra_cmpc> johnny: oh, you mean the irc log
[21:14] <RichEd> * Community Council Applicants * anyone
[21:14] <highvoltage> oh yes
[21:14] <juliux> and something real cool, linux4afrika is an offical decade projekt from the UN, more informations on www.dekaden.org i will try to get something in english
[21:14] <RichEd> highvoltage: not yet
[21:14] <ogra_cmpc> Edubuntu Council rather
[21:15] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: apologies ... brain running down
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> juliux: oh, did they recieve that status recently?
[21:15] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, yes i get an e-mail from hans-peter-merkel
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> yay
[21:15] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, i can forward that to you
[21:15] <juliux> he is atm in tansania
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> yes, please
[21:16] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, done
[21:16] <ogra_cmpc> thanks
[21:16] <ogra_cmpc> so is there nobody for council stuff here ?
[21:16] <juliux> ubuntu-de will also support linux4afrika at chemnitz linux-tage, cebit and linuxtag in berlin;)
[21:16] <ogra_cmpc> i'll likely be in berlin again
[21:17] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: doesn't seem so. I meant to invite two people who had pending member requests to this meeting
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> not sure i'll make cebit (could couple that with a visit of my parents though)
[21:17] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: but time caught me, we'll have to give them a chance at the next ecm
[21:17] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, more then one day?
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> berlin ?
[21:17] <juliux> yes
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> not sure yet
[21:18] <juliux> RichEd, what we have to do that ogra_cmpc gets the order to attend more then one day on linux tag in berlin?
[21:18] <ogra_cmpc> i have a friend who has a spare flat for me, i'll probably stay longer, but i'll decide that spontaneous
[21:19] <ogra_cmpc> juliux: ask my line manager :)
[21:19] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, mail address?
[21:19] <juliux> ;)
[21:19] <ogra_cmpc> (colin)
[21:19]  * juliux will send an ubuntu coffee mug and everything will be fine;)
[21:19] <RichEd> juliux: send me an email request, giving details about "how oliver's presence will have a huge impact and benefits" ... and i'll pass it along
[21:19] <juliux> RichEd, ok
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> i applied for official attendance internally, but there were no final decisions yet
[21:20] <RichEd> juliux: an ubuntu coffee mug or an edubuntu coffee mug ? ;)
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> an external request might raise my chances
[21:20] <juliux> RichEd, depends who makes the decision;)
[21:20] <highvoltage> last call for any EC issues?
[21:21] <highvoltage> sounds like a no. permission to go to bed? :)
[21:21]  * ogra_cmpc wonders if jono planned another ubuntu grill session this year
[21:21] <ogra_cmpc> ...
[21:22] <juliux> ok i will write an request for ogra doko dholbach mvo pitti asac mcslow ;)
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> going once ...
[21:22] <juliux> so i can make copy and paste;)
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> going twice ...
[21:22] <highvoltage> *gong*
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> meeting adjourned
[21:22] <juliux> ogra, that is not jono part
[21:22]  * RichEd bangs the gong
[21:22] <RichEd> thanks guys ... i'm done for the night
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> juliux: nowadays it is :)
[21:22] <highvoltage> goodnight guys
[21:22] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, i was asked to organise an ubuntu lovedy
[21:22] <juliux> loveday
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> oh, cool
[21:23] <juliux> tetet says he will talk with the london office about that
[21:23] <ogra_cmpc> he has my full support :)
[21:23] <juliux> because if i ask around for speakers nobody comes :(
[21:23] <juliux> see last ubucon;)
[21:26] <juliux> now everybody  we have silence
[21:42] <nixternal> RichEd or ogra_cmpc: Is Edubuntu still going to be provided via ShipIt?
[21:44] <RichEd> nixternal: my assumption is that canonical / shipit will provide the Edubuntu Add-On CD yes
[21:44] <nixternal> groovy, thanks
[21:44] <RichEd> i.e. we've got existing approval for 1CD which at the moment is Edubuntu
[21:45] <RichEd> so it is reassigned to the Add-On
[21:46] <nixternal> OK, I am looking at the CD images now
[21:46] <stgraber> RichEd: would be good to have an easy way to order both Ubuntu+Edubuntu at the same time
[21:46] <ogra_cmpc> we also talked about two sleeve cd covers
[21:46] <nixternal> it lists "Classroom server CD" and "Classroom server add-on CD"
[21:46] <ogra_cmpc> these are not relevant anymore
[21:46] <nixternal> what is the difference if Edubuntu is now an add-on?
[21:46] <nixternal> OK
[21:46] <ogra_cmpc> thet wont be built anymore soon
[21:47] <ogra_cmpc> only the addon will be there for alpha5
[21:47] <nixternal> where can I get the add-on for Ubuntu so I can install it and play around with it?
[21:47] <nixternal> get some screenshots and what not
[21:47] <RichEd> stgraber: that is really a matter of adding a process saying order ubuntu here & edubuntu add on here
[21:47] <RichEd> some people will need only the add-on if they picked up an ubuntu cd somewhere else, and then only if they have a bad internet connection
[21:48] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd: well, there was no final word from silbs about teh two cd shipping yet
[21:48] <stgraber> RichEd: yes and that's something we'll need because receive only an edubuntu CD will be useless
[21:48] <ogra_cmpc> right
[21:48] <stgraber> (in most case)
[21:48] <RichEd> ogra: so as i said ... we add a process ... person X ordering an Ubuntu CD from ubuntu.shipitcom will get it for free
[21:48] <ogra_cmpc> the idea was to have ubuntu shipped alongside in a two cd sleeve
[21:48] <RichEd> the same person X ordering an Edbuntu CD from edubuntu.shipitcom will get it for free
[21:49] <nixternal> ogra_cmpc: is "Classroom server add-on CD" the image I want to install on top of Ubuntu desktop?
[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> but as i said i didnt hear any final word about that
[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> nixternal: yes, but the seed changes are not done yet etc
[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> i'm not sure what you get atm with it
[21:49] <RichEd> ogra: that set will certainly be a need ... for handing out at education events / promotions .. OEM meetings etc.
[21:49] <RichEd> government projects and the like
[21:49] <nixternal> hrmm, any idea when the seed changes may occur?
[21:50] <ogra_cmpc> nixternal: before FF
[21:50] <ogra_cmpc> but then its still not tested etc
[21:50] <RichEd> it's really down to a matter of making sure that people order and get what they need ... and not wanton shipping of extraneos CDs
[21:50] <ogra_cmpc> the complete setup (seeds cd building etc) is undergoing a change atm
[21:50] <nixternal> RichEd: how many people were asked about doing the chapter and said no before I gullably said "yes"? :p
[21:52] <nixternal> Let me see if I have this right, to be included in the chapter, not in these words though:
[21:52] <RichEd> nixternal: you were my first suggestion ... honest
[21:53] <nixternal> "The Ubuntu Education Edition can be brought into your system in 3 different ways: 1) You can install the 'edubuntu-desktop' package, 2) You can download and burn an image to disk, or 3) You can order a set of CDs via ShipIt"
[21:53] <RichEd> not sure of what came before i was asked though
[21:53] <nixternal> I just want to make sure this chapter rocks and nothing is left undone or incorrect
[21:54] <RichEd> nixternal: for the interim from now until 8.10 ... you can't refer to Ubuntu Education Edition in isolation
[21:54] <RichEd> it is: Edubuntu - Ubuntu Education Edition
[21:54] <nixternal> gotcha
[21:55] <RichEd> don't oversell or overblow the componentisation ... some of that needs to be worked out and neatened
[21:55] <RichEd> what you really need to get across is the move:
[21:55] <RichEd> from: you get an eduntu CD and you install edubuntu
[21:56] <RichEd> to: you start with an Ubuntu installation, and by using Edubuntu Add OnCD, you add the Ubuntu Education Bundle to get you to an Edubuntu desktop
[21:56] <RichEd> the wallpaper will remain edubuntu
[21:56] <RichEd> ditto the look & feel & menu & icons
[21:57] <RichEd> ^ so that is the ground shift ^
[21:57] <nixternal> rock on
[21:57] <RichEd> the funky options will come with the 8.10 build up
[21:57] <RichEd> we do not want to cause confusion
[21:57] <RichEd> or oversell
[21:57] <RichEd> we're making a leap now ...
[21:58] <RichEd> and then we'll polish the whole environment in the next round
[21:58]  * RichEd heads off to bed
[21:58] <RichEd> nixternal: feel free to mail any copy to me to make sure it is "accurate" and clear
[21:59] <RichEd> cc ogra
[21:59] <nixternal> oh, I will be :)
[21:59]  * RichEd modifies his spam filter
[21:59] <RichEd> and turns off his monitor
[22:01] <nixternal> haha
[22:02] <nixternal> g'nite RichEd
[23:59] <yotux> how can I import user from ubuntu to edubuntu