| [04:14] <jamesstilwell3rd> I seem to be having problems with the 7.10 iso I downloaded tonight (I do -- generally -- know how to burn an .iso) | |
| [04:15] <jamesstilwell3rd> I'm attempting a server install on an IBM xSeries 360 with one of those laptop-type cdrom drives. | |
| [04:16] <jamesstilwell3rd> I've burned isos on two different types of media on two different machines (4x burns total) and all have failed integrity tests. | |
| [04:19] <jamesstilwell3rd> I've been using k12ltsp, after a negative experience with 7.04, and I'm trying to give edubuntu another shot... | |
| [04:21] <jamesstilwell3rd> make that 5x failures... | |
| === RichEd-2 is now known as RichEd | |
| === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as `6og | |
| [17:19] <iMacGyver> i'm using ltsp with edubuntu and i'm trying to disable screen blanking, the screensavers are off, how do you add settings to the generated xorg.conf? | |
| [18:09] <Contessa> good morning all | |
| [18:10] <johnny> mornin | |
| [18:11] <Contessa> how are you .. where are you ? | |
| [18:11] <johnny> ? | |
| [18:11] <johnny> sleepy | |
| [18:11] <johnny> just woke up | |
| [18:12] <Contessa> hmmm .... Hawaii ? | |
| [18:12] <johnny> no | |
| [18:12] <johnny> EST | |
| [18:13] <Contessa> sleep in late ? | |
| [18:13] <Contessa> work late ? | |
| [18:21] <johnny> yeah.. something like that | |
| [18:21] <johnny> i work at home | |
| [18:21] <johnny> but also work at a local coffeehouse bookstore | |
| [18:21] <Contessa> I'm at home .... its 7.30am | |
| [18:21] <johnny> and i closed the store last night at 11 | |
| [18:23] <Contessa> ah | |
| [18:23] <Contessa> store ? | |
| [18:24] <Contessa> ah ... | |
| [18:24] <Contessa> so ..do you create Edubuntu, or use it ? | |
| [18:28] <LaserJock> Contessa: 7:30am? are you in Hawaii? | |
| [18:29] <Contessa> no ...NBew Zealand | |
| [18:29] <LaserJock> hmm | |
| [18:30] <LaserJock> I thought NZ was at least an hr earlier | |
| [18:31] <LaserJock> I'm Pacific so it's 10:30am on Wednesday | |
| [18:31] <Contessa> summer time ... we ARE one hour earlier | |
| [18:36] <Contessa> its 7.35 am on Thursday morning here | |
| [18:36] <LaserJock> it's always funny to me that NZ people are often closest to me in time ... just a day ahead | |
| [18:37] <Contessa> its great .... I am in all of your tomorrows ! | |
| [18:52] <LaserJock> Contessa: now your freaking me out ;-) | |
| [18:53] <LaserJock> *you're | |
| [18:53] <Contessa> oh dear .... you dont want me in your tomorrows ? | |
| [18:53] * Contessa is in everyone's tomorrow | |
| [18:57] <LaserJock> but ... but ... if you're in my tomorrow how am I talking to you today?!? :-) | |
| [18:57] * LaserJock 's head explodes | |
| [18:58] <Contessa> omnipotence | |
| [18:58] <laga> omnipresence rather | |
| [18:58] <Contessa> yeah ..that too | |
| [18:58] <laga> ;) | |
| [18:58] * Contessa feels her head swelling | |
| [18:58] * Contessa looks for ice | |
| [18:59] * RichEd plays with anagrams of omnipotence minus the second "o" | |
| [18:59] <RichEd> and the second "n" | |
| [19:00] <RichEd> LaserJock: you up for the meeting in an hour ? | |
| [19:00] <Contessa> make a suggestion for me will ..you ...I prolly shjould look at going to work | |
| [19:01] * RichEd gets his pen and sits for dictation | |
| [19:01] <RichEd> go ahead | |
| [19:01] <Contessa> make a decent install of Rosegarden ... | |
| [19:01] <Contessa> and include it in Edubuntu | |
| [19:02] <RichEd> Contessa: is it in any of the ubuntu repositories yet ? | |
| [19:02] <Contessa> I dont know | |
| [19:02] <Contessa> I'm currently using SL5 - but building Rosegarden for SL5 is somewhat a bit of a journey ...and Edubuntu is my next favourite distro | |
| [19:02] <stgraber> rosegarden | 1:1.6.1-1ubuntu1 | hardy/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc | |
| [19:03] <Contessa> ah | |
| [19:03] <stgraber> sudo aptitude install rosegarden | |
| [19:03] <pips1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/sound/rosegarden | |
| [19:03] <stgraber> and you "should" have it installed | |
| [19:03] <stgraber> hey pips1 | |
| [19:03] <pips1> hi stgraber | |
| [19:03] <Contessa> okj .... time to add Edubuntu to my biog machine again | |
| [19:05] <Contessa> ty | |
| [19:12] <LaserJock> hmm | |
| [19:12] <LaserJock> rosegarden is an interesting suggestion | |
| [19:12] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Studio ships it | |
| [19:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: yeah, I'm working from home today, and I wanted to chat with people | |
| [19:13] <stgraber> good, so the packaging should be good and easy to install | |
| [19:13] <stgraber> not sure if we can consider it as educational software though | |
| [19:14] * stgraber has just read apt and wikipedia description | |
| [19:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: ogra is in London at the distro sprint ... so we'll not have any tech news from him | |
| [19:15] <LaserJock> RichEd: bah | |
| [19:15] <LaserJock> distro sprints are a real pain for the rest of us :/ | |
| [19:15] <LaserJock> stgraber: I was thinking of doing jokosher rather than rosegarden | |
| [19:16] <stgraber> yes, jokosher seems easier to use | |
| [19:17] <johnny> does it work nwo? | |
| [19:17] <johnny> now* | |
| [19:58] <RichEd> == edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 3 mins === | |
| [20:03] <pygi> oh noes :P | |
| [21:02] <LaserJock> ok | |
| [21:02] <LaserJock> RichEd: I'm a tad concerned about docs for Hardy | |
| [21:02] <stgraber> we can continue with website as pips1 is here :) | |
| [21:02] <LaserJock> we've had 0 commits to "official" docs | |
| [21:02] <stgraber> ouch, not good | |
| [21:03] <RichEd> stgraber: his nick was in #ubuntu-meeting as well but his keyboard was not | |
| [21:03] <RichEd> LaserJock: oops | |
| [21:03] <pips1> hi | |
| [21:03] <RichEd> hello mr pips1 sir | |
| [21:03] <RichEd> how is the baby ? | |
| [21:04] <pips1> well, nothing to report really, I closed some bugs related to the website, but that's it | |
| [21:05] <RichEd> okay :0 | |
| [21:05] <pips1> LaserJock: what was that you said about documentation? | |
| [21:05] <RichEd> LaserJock: what do we need to do to get the docs moving then | |
| [21:05] <LaserJock> pips1: we've had 0 commits for the Hardy branch | |
| [21:05] <RichEd> has it been a case of people who are no longer active ? | |
| [21:05] <pips1> oh | |
| [21:05] <LaserJock> I just don't have the time to spearhead things | |
| [21:05] <LaserJock> RichEd: well, sbalneav *was* the docs | |
| [21:06] <pips1> well, afaik, last time round it was mainly sbalnaev who contributed to the docs? | |
| [21:06] <LaserJock> I've just been doing packaging related things, not writing content | |
| [21:06] <RichEd> LaserJock: and now ? | |
| [21:06] <stgraber> LaserJock: what's the Edubuntu-specific bit now ? | |
| [21:06] <LaserJock> I haven't seen sbalneav for ages | |
| [21:06] <stgraber> LTSP being Ubuntu now | |
| [21:06] <RichEd> mmm ... | |
| [21:06] <LaserJock> stgraber: good point, the problem is that we've not transitioned docs | |
| [21:06] <LaserJock> so the only LTSP documentation would be from edubuntu-docs | |
| [21:06] <RichEd> didn't nixternal do a lot of doc work for edubuntu before ? | |
| [21:07] <LaserJock> some yeah, mostly he helped me with packaging and getting things into svn | |
| [21:07] <pips1> RichEd: not sure, but I think nixternal helped mainly with re-structuring some existing content.. | |
| [21:08] <RichEd> any suggestions from anyone ? | |
| [21:08] * pygi knows some things about edubuntu docs, as he wrote the initial stuff | |
| [21:09] <pygi> anything I could do to help? | |
| [21:09] <pygi> what's the problem anyway? | |
| [21:09] <pips1> so what are the new features of edubuntu in hardy that need documentation anyway | |
| [21:09] <pips1> ? | |
| [21:09] <RichEd> is there much specific edubuntu content, or it is a matter of reshaping ubuntu content ? | |
| [21:09] <LaserJock> well, for one, we should decide whether to carry the LTSP stuff | |
| [21:09] <pygi> RichEd, there's enough edubuntu specific content I'd say | |
| [21:09] <pygi> LaserJock, don't see why not? | |
| [21:09] <LaserJock> also the documentation is centered around Classroom Server + Addon CD | |
| [21:10] <pips1> I'd say LTSP should be merged into the ubuntu docs, no? | |
| [21:10] <pygi> I just dont dig that stuff that it should go in server | |
| [21:10] <LaserJock> whereas we'll be doing the addon thing | |
| [21:11] <pips1> so this dev cycle, it was mainly the restructuring (ltsp move to ubuntu), right? | |
| [21:11] <LaserJock> so I think we might consider ripping out the LTSP stuff and moving it to ubuntu docs | |
| [21:11] <LaserJock> then making sure we're documenting all that we are changing | |
| [21:11] <stgraber> Would make sense | |
| [21:11] * pygi thinks all that actually makes no sense, but oh well | |
| [21:11] <LaserJock> and I had hoped we could do more "useful" documentation rather than reference | |
| [21:12] <LaserJock> pygi: well, it's not up to you and I ;-) | |
| [21:12] <stgraber> then the doc would mainly be about : How to install and the differences between Ubuntu and Edubuntu | |
| [21:12] <LaserJock> yeah | |
| [21:12] <pips1> stgraber: what about italc? is there any existing documentation that could be used as a base, in case italc makes it in? | |
| [21:12] <LaserJock> and I'd love to see more Education resources, etc. | |
| [21:12] <pygi> LaserJock, oh, no, it's about the users and teacher and people indeed | |
| [21:13] <stgraber> pips1: hmm, the tool also existing for Windows I'm sure there is some doc but I haven't really took time to investigate that (having it to work is already hard enough believe me :)) | |
| [21:13] * RichEd needs to head off ... but will keep this channel open and read the log tomorow | |
| [21:14] <RichEd> thanks and good night all | |
| [21:14] <stgraber> RichEd: good night | |
| [21:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think I'll send out a series of emails to -devel | |
| [21:14] <LaserJock> so we can get some discussion | |
| [21:14] <RichEd> sounds good | |
| [21:14] <pips1> stgraber: I hear you... I had a very brief look just at the description of italc quite some time ago and I thought: wow, that is a real swiss army knife app! all that functionality... | |
| [21:19] <pips1> oops, disregard my last comment, a mixup with CipUX | |
| [21:20] <pips1> iTalk documentation is a wiki: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | |
| [21:20] <pips1> *italc | |
| [21:21] <pips1> GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 | |
| [21:22] <pips1> stgraber, LaserJock: so, *is* there any new functionality in gutsy? | |
| [21:23] <LaserJock> in gutsy? | |
| [21:23] <pips1> hardy | |
| [21:23] <pips1> sorry | |
| [21:23] <LaserJock> well, the whole installation is different | |
| [21:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what's been done with LTSP but it's always progressing | |
| [21:24] <LaserJock> but I don't think there's such a jump like LTSP 4.2->5 | |
| [21:24] <pips1> right | |
| [21:25] <LaserJock> Hardy should mostly be making Gutsy more usable, stable, bug-free | |
| [21:25] <stgraber> IIRC the main LTSP change will be the ltsp GUI tool to configure and generate chroot then squashfs it | |
| [21:25] <pips1> I think it was mainly polishing... a big step still missing is localapps, afaik | |
| [21:26] <LaserJock> my hope is that we can get documentation and the website in really good shape | |
| [21:26] <LaserJock> I think ogra's done a really good job of getting the technical parts in good shape | |
| [21:26] <stgraber> pips1: yes, you won't see localapps in Hardy :( (even if it technicaly can work, it would require too much work to have it ready on time) | |
| [21:26] <pips1> LaserJock: problem is, there is nobody around that actually knows the latest developments | |
| [21:27] <pips1> it's all in ogra's head | |
| [21:27] <stgraber> I'm in #ltsp but there hasn't been much change lately | |
| [21:27] <stgraber> the main change being the big move to bzr and LP | |
| [21:28] <LaserJock> pips1: right, so we need to "extract" it :-) | |
| [21:28] <pips1> stgraber: I think you might be the one community member (besides Laser) most knowlegable about what happened this dev cycle, no? | |
| [21:30] <stgraber> probably as I'm also a member of the QA team and then working on the various testcases | |
| [21:30] <pips1> *knowledgable | |
| [21:30] <pips1> right | |
| [21:30] <stgraber> +I like experimental things :) | |
| [21:31] <LaserJock> *so* let's use -devel, get things discussed/set and then *do it* :-) | |
| [21:31] <pips1> so, LaserJock what happened in MOTU space for edubuntu (i.e. the addon cd) ? | |
| [21:31] <pips1> any new edu apps added to main? | |
| [21:32] <pips1> LaserJock: what do you mean by -devel ? IRC or ML? | |
| [21:32] <stgraber> ML I think | |
| [21:33] <pips1> Im not even subscribed to ubuntu-devel ML | |
| [21:33] <LaserJock> ML | |
| [21:34] * LaserJock smacks pips1 | |
| [21:34] <LaserJock> ;-) | |
| [21:34] <LaserJock> pips1: well, the addon cd will become the real Edubuntu CD | |
| [21:34] <LaserJock> I haven't added any new apps yet | |
| [21:34] <LaserJock> I'd like to get a few if I have time | |
| [21:35] <LaserJock> but I don't even know how much space we have, etc. | |
| [21:35] <pips1> ic | |
| [21:35] * pips1 reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation and is amazed | |
| [21:36] <pips1> last edited by DanielHolbach2 | |
| [21:36] <pips1> interesting | |
| [21:37] <stgraber> My big concern at the moment is that Alpha4 is next week and we don't have the "Edubuntu as an add-on to ubuntu" part done | |
| [21:37] <pips1> right! | |
| [21:38] <pips1> did you talk to ogra about this? | |
| [21:38] <stgraber> It's LTS so we really need to have something that works perfectly, but for that we need something to test :) | |
| [21:39] <stgraber> Last I heard from him he had LTSP integrated in Ubuntu which you can install by passing an extra parameter at the installer boot | |
| [21:39] <LaserJock> I think it's supposed to be done for the sprint | |
| [21:39] <stgraber> I don't really know the status of the add-on itself though | |
| [21:41] <pips1> stgraber: i see your point... Alpha 4 is the last milestone before the feature freeze, so it would be good to get minimal testing done if the edubuntu cd works... :-/ | |
| [21:42] <stgraber> yes | |
| [21:42] <pips1> since you are up-to-date and in touch with ogra on IRC, I'm sure you'll be able to catch the first daily with the working edubuntu cd... | |
| [21:43] <pips1> but I read on the mailing list that someone was testing milestone releases... that person won't "catch" some random daily... | |
| [21:43] <stgraber> yes, I'm also waiting for it so I can update our current Edubuntu testcase (which is still about the add-on and server CD) | |
| [22:00] <Goosemoose> hi guys , anyone know if the active directory package that's going into hardy is done? | |