| [01:12] <blizzzek> gn8 | |
| === todobg is now known as MuNzE | |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | |
| [03:11] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: be glad that i'm not on the tech board, then. | |
| [03:12] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: or me on the MC, which now does motu applications | |
| [03:57] <cheguevara> evening | |
| [03:58] <cheguevara> meh i mean morning :P | |
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| [09:27] <Riddell> Sime: I don't know what to do about kded poppup from kde3 in kde4 | |
| === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger | |
| [09:27] <Riddell> it wants to be turned off but I'm not sure where to do that | |
| [09:29] <smarter> Riddell: disable kded media manager in systemsettings-kde3? | |
| [09:29] <apachelogger> nah | |
| [09:29] <apachelogger> I think there is a special setting for that | |
| [09:29] <apachelogger> in the device section | |
| [09:29] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org <-- amarok 2 tp1 released | |
| [09:31] <smarter> apachelogger: the annoucement doesn't appears on http://amarok.kde.org/fr | |
| [09:31] <apachelogger> smarter: does for me | |
| [09:31] <apachelogger> just not in french yet | |
| [09:32] <iRon> Riddell: i found how to implement user disk mounting in kde4.. do we need this? | |
| [09:32] <Riddell> smarter: it needs an automatic way when it's running under kde 4 | |
| [09:32] <Riddell> iRon: ooh, sure | |
| [09:32] <iRon> Riddell: ok.. will do | |
| [09:33] <Riddell> iRon: how did bullet proof X get on? (feature freeze is end of next week) | |
| [09:34] <iRon> Riddell: Will try to release patch before Wed. | |
| [09:34] <Riddell> excellent | |
| [09:34] <smarter> Riddell: we just need to add "[Module-medianotifier] \n autoload=false" in .kde4/share/config/kdedrc | |
| [09:35] <smarter> good candidate for k-d-s-kde4 | |
| [09:35] <Riddell> smarter: it should be using ~/.kde not .kde4 | |
| [09:36] <apachelogger> uploading amarok2 | |
| [09:36] <Riddell> and we don't want to stop it in a kde 3 session, only a kde 4 one | |
| [09:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: talking about that... are we going to switch to .kde again? | |
| [09:36] <Riddell> hmm, how come this doesn't affect gnome? | |
| [09:36] <apachelogger> or do it like suse and stick to .kde4? | |
| [09:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, dunno, I had mostly expected just to keep ~/.kde4 | |
| [09:38] <smarter> if we keep ~/.kde4 it will not affect kde3 session to disable kded medianotifier | |
| [09:38] <Riddell> smarter: kde3 kded should still be using ~/.kde | |
| [09:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: I wrote some thougts about that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/DotKde and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard | |
| [09:38] <apachelogger> kde probably should go .kde4 in general | |
| [09:38] <apachelogger> because I think it sux if we have to patch kde all the time to keep it in .kde4 | |
| [09:40] <smarter> Riddell: so we don't touch ~/.kde and put this in ~/.kde4 | |
| [09:41] <Riddell> smarter: so it'll be unused (except for starting apps with $KDEHOME set, which we don't by default) | |
| [09:41] <smarter> Riddell: if I launch konsole-kde4 and type "echo $KDEHOME" I get ~/.kde4 | |
| [09:43] <Riddell> smarter: only because it's set in /usr/bin/konsole-kde4, I expect that will go away | |
| [09:43] * apachelogger has to adapt the propsal on that stuff | |
| [09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: we have everything with rpath so we can drop the scripts for most of the apps | |
| [09:44] <apachelogger> kfmclient needs some vars from what stdin told me | |
| [09:44] <apachelogger> also amarok, because it depends on amarokcollectionscanner | |
| [09:44] <apachelogger> but that's probably about it | |
| [09:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not sure if kde 4 apps will break if $PATH isn't set | |
| [09:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: thanks for the .kde wiki pages, I'm mostly unsure what to do about it but I'll need to have a think about it | |
| [09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: I thought about propsing it for discussion in the next meeting along with the other stuff in KdeFour | |
| [09:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes we should discuss it then, although I don't know if we'd reach a consensus at a meett | |
| [09:48] <Riddell> meeting | |
| [09:48] <apachelogger> probably not | |
| [09:48] <apachelogger> I'm also not able to attend | |
| [09:48] <apachelogger> stdin however might | |
| [09:49] <apachelogger> and he pretty much knows ever of my thoughs :D | |
| [09:49] <apachelogger> *thoughts | |
| [09:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, can you please have a look at the amarok2 package for the ppa? http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~apachelogger/tmp/amarok2/ | |
| [09:52] <Riddell> lets see how good my new laptop is at compiling | |
| [09:53] <apachelogger> huh | |
| [09:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: which one did you get? | |
| [09:54] <Riddell> thinkpad r61 | |
| [09:54] <apachelogger> nice | |
| [10:18] <jpatrick> LongPointyStick: is there anything you don't form part of? | |
| [10:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: New Zealand :) | |
| [10:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: amarok2 looking great. debian/copyright says GPL 2 but it seems to be GPL 2+ | |
| [10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd copy the header out of xspfplaylist.cpp since that's the most "restrictive" | |
| [10:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, thanks | |
| [11:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: (and note that parts are GPL 2+ or LGPL 2+) | |
| [11:01] <apachelogger> right, we actually were wondering why we use lgpl anyway | |
| [11:11] <smarter> apachelogger: /usr/share/applications/kde4-amarok.desktop doesn't mention that it's the kde4 version | |
| [11:12] <apachelogger> woohooo | |
| [11:12] * apachelogger is wondering why | |
| [11:12] <apachelogger> well | |
| [11:12] <apachelogger> it's b0rked | |
| [11:13] <apachelogger> smarter: fixed | |
| [11:13] <smarter> cool | |
| [11:14] <smarter> is there a good qt manpage editor? | |
| [11:14] <smarter> atm I use manedit, but it's in GTK1 :( | |
| [11:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: your debian/rules doesn't seem to be complete | |
| [11:18] <Riddell> misses out | sed 's/Name=.*$$/& KDE 4/' \ | |
| [11:18] <Riddell> | sed 's/Exec=[a-z]*/&-kde4/' \ | |
| [11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, smarter just saied that ... dunno why I removed it | |
| [11:18] <apachelogger> *shrug* | |
| [11:18] <apachelogger> fixed | |
| [11:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: changed copyright file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3744/ | |
| [11:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd use the header from xspfplaylist.cpp as I say, since it's not just GPL2+ | |
| [11:25] <Riddell> also I'd s/version 2// from the last three paragraphs | |
| [11:25] <apachelogger> aye | |
| [11:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3746/ | |
| [11:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: perfect | |
| [11:31] <apachelogger> woohoo :) | |
| [11:31] * apachelogger prepares for upload | |
| [11:32] <apachelogger> wb Nightrose | |
| [11:33] <Nightrose> re ;-) | |
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| [12:40] <Hobbsee> ahh, found the other end of the split | |
| [12:41] <Jucato> oh I'm with Hobbsee!!!! :) | |
| [12:42] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato! | |
| [12:43] * Jucato hugs Hobbsee | |
| [12:43] * Hobbsee hugs Jucato | |
| [12:43] <Hobbsee> :) | |
| [12:44] <Hobbsee> come on services... | |
| [12:44] <apachelogger_> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img047.jpg | |
| [12:44] * apachelogger_ notes that amarokers shouldn't sing | |
| [12:44] <Jucato> hehehe the maintenance seems to have come too early? | |
| [13:35] <Riddell> freeflying: about? | |
| [13:37] <freeflying> Riddell: hi | |
| [13:38] <Riddell> freeflying: could you try these qt 3 packages? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt-3.3.8/ | |
| [13:38] <Riddell> we need to update to 3.3.8 to get gpl 3, but last time you had CKJ issues with it | |
| [13:38] <freeflying> Riddell: sure, build for hardy or gutsy? | |
| [13:40] <Riddell> freeflying: these are hardy | |
| [13:43] <Riddell> freeflying: are you able to test in hardy? it really needs hardy I think since fontconfig has changed settings | |
| [13:55] <freeflying> Riddell: at first glance, it works | |
| [13:55] <Riddell> freeflying: yay | |
| [13:56] <freeflying> Riddell: when will you uplaod it? | |
| [13:56] <Riddell> freeflying: did you start a new KDE session? | |
| [13:56] <Riddell> freeflying: I'll probably try and find someone else to test it first | |
| [13:56] <freeflying> Riddell: yes | |
| [13:56] <Riddell> sounding good | |
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| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | |
| [15:09] <Riddell> freeflying: well it works for Arno too, at least as much as the current one does | |
| [15:09] <Riddell> freeflying: so I'll just upload and hope it works | |
| [15:31] <jjesse> i never rememeber but what do in eed to set my ssh key permissions wise for bazaar/launchpad? | |
| [15:44] <apachelogger_> Riddell: we should start the transition proposed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/Apps4For3 right away | |
| [15:44] <apachelogger_> these issues drive me nuts | |
| [15:44] <apachelogger_> I can't even properly edit my debian/* -.- | |
| [15:52] <\sh> apachelogger_, use vim ;) | |
| [15:53] <apachelogger_> nah, kate got tha powa! | |
| [15:53] * apachelogger_ loves katering :P | |
| [15:53] <emonkey> mhh jamm food | |
| [15:54] * emonkey should go out and eat someting | |
| [16:50] <blizzzek> hi | |
| === seelllle is now known as seele | |
| [17:18] <Riddell> "Its that time of the month again, please ensure that tomorrow your team | |
| [17:18] <Riddell> reports are added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/January2008" | |
| [17:18] <Riddell> any volunteers? | |
| [17:19] <jpatrick> can I do it in LaTeX? | |
| [17:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: no, wiki | |
| [17:21] <jpatrick> oh | |
| [17:24] <\sh> sebas, why the change to 6 months releases? | |
| [17:24] <jpatrick> \sh: sycronize with us :) | |
| [17:25] <apachelogger> sync > merge :P | |
| [17:25] <seele> Riddell: has kubuntu never submitted a team report before? | |
| [17:25] <seele> oh.. september | |
| [17:25] <Riddell> seele: jono has never bothered to send out a reminder before | |
| [17:26] <Riddell> which means it doesn't get done | |
| [17:26] <apachelogger> lol | |
| [17:26] <\sh> jpatrick, well, not when I read the announcement correctly ,-) | |
| [17:26] <apachelogger> just write... heavy development on KDE 4 transition blah blah, still a lot to be done before hardy blah blah, nontheless our packages rock blah blah, kubuntu ftw fullstop | |
| [17:28] <apachelogger> \sh: the idea is that we have a reliable product and not a bleeding edge one | |
| [17:28] <apachelogger> so we have 4.1.3 or something | |
| [17:28] <apachelogger> which is of course better than 4.1.0 | |
| [17:28] <apachelogger> though, I can patch everything :P | |
| [17:28] <\sh> apachelogger, well...july 2008 means 4 months to release of 8.10 | |
| [17:28] <apachelogger> right so we have 4.1.4 | |
| [17:28] <apachelogger> ultimately | |
| [17:29] <Riddell> I think that's quite nice timing | |
| [17:29] <apachelogger> +1 | |
| [17:29] <Riddell> allows for slippage on the KDE side and means we don't get a .0 | |
| [17:29] <\sh> Riddell, when we get the same rights like the Ubuntu G variant ;) | |
| [17:29] <Riddell> \sh: same rights? | |
| [17:29] <\sh> like pushing 4.1.x just before release ;) | |
| [17:30] <apachelogger> don't we do that all the time? | |
| [17:30] <Riddell> \sh: we're done that more than once | |
| [17:30] <Riddell> gutsy saw a whole new KDE uploaded after the RC | |
| [17:31] * apachelogger thinks the wiki is dying | |
| [17:31] <smarter> and a major bug in Kopete in the release... | |
| [17:32] <\sh> kopete is not important ,) | |
| [17:32] <apachelogger> lol | |
| [17:32] <\sh> psi works everytime ;) | |
| [17:32] <apachelogger> anyone knows how to create a toc in moinmoin? | |
| [17:32] <\sh> and multiprotocol clients are evil anyways ;) kopete and pidgin needs to die very fast | |
| [17:33] <\sh> apachelogger, use header markups...it should add after the second or third headerline a toc by itself | |
| [17:33] <apachelogger> how to use them? | |
| [17:33] * apachelogger hates not working documentation | |
| [17:34] <seele> was a -kde4 channel ever created? | |
| [17:34] * seele is looking through meeting notes | |
| [17:35] <\sh> apachelogger, == e.g. | |
| [17:35] <Riddell> seele: try it and see :) | |
| [17:35] <apachelogger> \sh: doesn't do it for me | |
| [17:35] <\sh> apachelogger, which wiki? | |
| [17:35] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard | |
| [17:36] <apachelogger> anyway | |
| [17:36] <seele> Riddell: yeah.. i did that right after i asked the stupid question :) | |
| [17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard I made an enhancement at the bottom, explaining the need for post-migration-migrations | |
| [17:36] <\sh> apachelogger, hmmm...check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopmen and try the anchor macro | |
| [17:39] <apachelogger> \sh: thx, the tablestyle line did the trick | |
| [17:40] <seele> ok.. well we have *something* for the Kubuntu Team report now.. although i suspect it is incomplete | |
| [17:40] <seele> (just took stuff out of our meeting notes) | |
| [17:41] <jpatrick> yay! someone reads them ;) | |
| [17:41] <seele> jpatrick: especially for the meetings that happen at 6 in the morning :) | |
| [17:42] <Riddell> seele: thanks! | |
| [17:46] <jjesse> afternoon :) | |
| [17:47] <jpatrick> afternoon jjesse | |
| [17:47] <jjesse> thanks for the mtg notes as well i read them everytime | |
| [17:48] <jpatrick> :) | |
| === uga|away is now known as uga | |
| [18:04] <nixternal> who's buying lunch? | |
| [18:05] <jpatrick> nixternal: we thought you'd never ask... :) | |
| [18:06] <nixternal> hehe | |
| [18:06] <nixternal> I am starving | |
| [18:06] <mhb> hey folks | |
| [18:07] <nixternal> howdy mhb | |
| [18:07] <mhb> hi nixternal | |
| [18:08] <mhb> was there a discussion about the wallpaper recently? | |
| [18:08] <mhb> I've got so much school that I can't keep up with this channel :o( | |
| [18:08] <nixternal> I just seen a kubuntu-default-settings upload, so I would have to guess yes | |
| [18:08] <jjesse> hello nixternal | |
| [18:08] <mhb> nixternal: I did, too... that's why I ask | |
| [18:09] <nixternal> howdy jjesse | |
| [18:12] <jjesse> nixternal: how are things? | |
| [18:16] <nixternal> busy like always | |
| [18:16] <jjesse> i understand, spent some time on sunday watching the football games and working on my book chpter | |
| [18:16] <jjesse> need to wrap that up this week | |
| [18:16] <nixternal> yesterday i was a a lug event all day long | |
| [18:17] <nixternal> way to long of a day | |
| [18:17] <jjesse> wow | |
| [18:19] <nixternal> tomorrow is going to be an insane day, school in the morning, pickup my truck, school at night | |
| [18:19] <nixternal> I have to take the school bus tonight to school :p | |
| [18:19] <nixternal> good ol' chicago transit authority | |
| [18:19] <jjesse> awesome ridding the short bus? | |
| [18:19] <nixternal> hahaha, yup | |
| [18:19] <mhb> you've got some nice weather over there | |
| [18:20] <jjesse> its so stinkin cold here in grand rapids | |
| [18:49] <apachelogger_> Riddell: do you think we should go along with suse and stick with .kde4? | |
| [18:50] <Riddell> apachelogger_: it would be the simplest option (but would still need a converter on first KDE 4 run) | |
| [18:52] <apachelogger_> Riddell: well, as explained in the MigrationWizard page it doesn't matter all that much IMO, we just have to ensure that .kde gets moved to .kde3 at first KDE3 start in hardy | |
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| [18:57] <Riddell> apachelogger_: and then .kde created with files from .kde3/share/config? | |
| === wolfg-r is now known as wolf-r | |
| [18:59] <apachelogger_> Riddell: yep | |
| [18:59] <mhb> Riddell: good evening, how was the release event? | |
| [19:00] <Riddell> mhb: all rather fun | |
| [19:00] <apachelogger_> Riddell: the wiki page pretty much explains all possible cases of migration if we go .kde for KDE 4 | |
| [19:01] <mhb> Riddell: who did decide the new Kubuntu wallpaper? | |
| [19:01] <Riddell> mhb: me and kwwii decided that since nobody suggested one we'd just upload something and see if that helps gets suggestions :) | |
| [19:01] <apachelogger_> ^_^ | |
| [19:02] <mhb> sounds good | |
| [19:02] <mhb> thanks | |
| [19:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: did you get my msg on the hardy Kubuntu ports page? | |
| [19:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: no, don't think so | |
| [19:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ | |
| [19:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: it says LTS | |
| [19:04] * apachelogger_ notes that this whole migration stuff is overly complex | |
| [19:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: oh right, mmm | |
| [19:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: nah, it's just someone in #kubuntu, said wheter Hardy was LTS and he pointed me at that :) | |
| [19:06] <Riddell> apachelogger_: by Migration Wizard are you imagining a GUI tool? | |
| === wolf-r is now known as wolfger | |
| [19:08] <apachelogger_> Riddell: partly, there is some stuff we can do without a GUI, like moving .kde to .kde3 if first login is a KDE 3 login | |
| [19:09] <Riddell> apachelogger_: it would be better if it just did the right thing, any GUI would just confuse most users | |
| [19:09] <apachelogger_> well, I think there is only one case where the gui actually kicks in | |
| [19:09] <apachelogger_> lemme check | |
| [19:11] <Riddell> mhb: do you expect to have a restricted-manager port in time for feature freeze? (end of next week) | |
| [19:11] <mhb> end of next week? | |
| [19:11] <mhb> I can try | |
| [19:11] <Riddell> oh, wait | |
| [19:12] <Riddell> I'm wrong, it's feb 15th | |
| [19:12] <Riddell> mhb: do you expect to have a restricted-manager port in time for feature freeze? (feb 15th?) :) | |
| [19:12] <mhb> that's much more likely | |
| [19:12] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: eh, is that when I need to have my compiz manager in by? | |
| [19:13] <Riddell> ah, nosrednaekim, was going to ask :) | |
| [19:13] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it doesn't need to be finished or bug free, but it should basicly work and be in the distro by then | |
| [19:14] <apachelogger_> hmm | |
| [19:14] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I am crazy busy right now with school.... but I should have at least a roughly functional one by then | |
| [19:14] <nosrednaekim> ok | |
| [19:14] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: great, let us know if that starts looking unlikely and we'll work out a plan | |
| [19:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: we could use an always migrate everything solution, which probably is convenient for ~90% of our target audience | |
| [19:16] <Riddell> apachelogger_: foreach file in ~/.kde3/share/config; if it doesn't exist in ~/.kde, copy it over | |
| [19:16] <apachelogger_> yep | |
| [19:16] * apachelogger_ reworks the current proposal | |
| [19:18] <apachelogger_> god is that complex :S | |
| [19:19] <Riddell> apachelogger_: plus some custom rules for things we want to copy over from .kde/share/apps/ | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I think for that we should have a gui | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger_> like, amarok2 will probably not be in hardy | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger_> so one has to use amarok1 | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger_> still one can run kde4 | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger_> so the configs of amarok would still be in .kde3 | |
| [19:21] <apachelogger_> now, when amarok2 gets included one might want to migrate the amarok1 | |
| [19:21] <apachelogger_> i.e. post-migration updates | |
| [19:21] <nosrednaekim> so a first run wizard for kde4? | |
| [19:21] <apachelogger_> nah, that idea just got kicked | |
| [19:21] <Riddell> hmm | |
| [19:22] <apachelogger_> the post-migration would just cause the wizard tool thingy t reimport the concerned app from .kde3 | |
| [19:22] <Riddell> foreach file in ~/.kde3/share/config; if it doesn't exist in ~/.kde and the kde 4 app is installed, copy it over | |
| [19:23] <apachelogger_> Riddell: to be executed for every start? | |
| [19:27] <Riddell> apachelogger_: yes, but that still wouldn't work | |
| [19:27] <Riddell> since users would install amarok2 and run it before they logout/in again | |
| [19:28] <apachelogger_> yep | |
| [19:28] <apachelogger_> also | |
| [19:28] <apachelogger_> that would cause speed problems | |
| [19:28] <apachelogger_> because this whould also have to be done for share/apps | |
| [19:28] <apachelogger_> and there can be a lot of data | |
| [19:28] <Riddell> also we don't necessarily know which rc files go with which apps | |
| [19:28] <apachelogger_> e.g. mails, amarok album covers, amarok music collection | |
| [19:29] <apachelogger_> Riddell: we can create definition sets for this | |
| [19:29] <apachelogger_> manuall check which files belong to which app | |
| [19:29] <apachelogger_> this way we can cover at least the most important ones | |
| [19:29] <Riddell> we could add a postinst script to all kde 4 apps to run this | |
| [19:30] <Riddell> that wouldn't be especially hard and would't slow down every login | |
| [19:30] <apachelogger_> hm | |
| [19:30] <Riddell> hm indeed | |
| [19:30] <Riddell> I need to go | |
| [19:30] <Riddell> thanks for bringing this up | |
| [19:30] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ok, we'll talk later :) | |
| [19:31] <smarter> +1 for postinst, great idea | |
| [19:31] <selckin> package installs should stay the hell out of ~ :( | |
| [19:33] <wesley_> some kde4 packs say break | |
| [19:33] <apachelogger_> hoooray | |
| [19:33] <apachelogger_> wesley_: which ones | |
| [19:34] * Tm_T has perfect build (almost) | |
| [19:34] <apachelogger_> selckin: you'd rather have an insane migration script go all over your files at every login :P | |
| [19:34] <wesley_> eyesapplet that i wanted to install ( got the whole kde4 desktop already ) there where more also local i believe | |
| [19:34] <selckin> apachelogger_: if it means you don't eat my data yes. | |
| [19:35] <apachelogger_> hm | |
| [19:35] <apachelogger_> right | |
| [19:35] <apachelogger_> we need to do backups | |
| [19:35] <apachelogger_> very important | |
| [19:35] <selckin> i'd plain stop using kubuntu if thats acceptable to you guys tbh | |
| [19:35] <apachelogger_> wesley_: I don't get the issue | |
| [19:37] <wesley_> now my kde4 desktop is in englisch for half but i got dutch translation installed and german and some apps have german now so i wanted to try to reinstall dutch | |
| [19:37] <apachelogger_> selckin: wanna threaten me? :-P | |
| [19:37] <selckin> apachelogger_: no | |
| [19:37] <apachelogger_> wesley_: nice, do you use kdm-kde4? | |
| [19:37] <apachelogger_> selckin: there is no other good solution | |
| [19:37] <selckin> apachelogger_: why can't kde3 keep using .kde3, and kde4 .kde4, and have a simple import kde3 type thing option? | |
| [19:38] <apachelogger_> we have to do a one-time copy/move for .kde -> .kde3 | |
| [19:38] <wesley_> yes i use kdm-kde4 | |
| [19:38] <selckin> err kde3 .kde | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> selckin: because not all apps are ported at ones, so KDE would face exactly the issue we are having, how to keep the configs up-to-date in both pockets | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> wesley_: switch back to kdm | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> kdm-kde4 is having serious issues | |
| [19:39] <wesley_> how ? | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> just uninstall kdm-kde4, that should popup a dialog so you can switch back to kdm | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> or | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm | |
| [19:39] <apachelogger_> in that case you wouldn't have to uninstall kdm-kde4 | |
| [19:40] <selckin> in any case notting should be allowed to touch home dirs imo, at least not that invasively | |
| [19:40] <wesley_> thanks what problems did it cause then ? | |
| [19:41] <apachelogger_> wesley_: broken translations, broken umlauts/accents, broken init script, well pretty much everything prefixed with broken ;-) | |
| [19:42] <smarter> yay, plasma taskbar with multiple lines \o/ http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/while-cats-away.html | |
| [19:42] <wesley_> ows did,tn know it had that big effect | |
| [19:43] <apachelogger_> selckin: that's very hypocritical IMHO, we wouldn't do anything else than KDE would do with a migration system | |
| [19:44] <nosrednaekim> smarter: w00t | |
| [19:45] <apachelogger_> hm | |
| [19:46] <apachelogger_> I think postinst is the most reliable solution | |
| [19:46] <apachelogger_> though I'm a bit worried about the speed | |
| [19:47] <apachelogger_> because if it has to copy amarok covers and collection for say 5 users with a considerable big collection, it's gonna take some time | |
| [19:47] <apachelogger_> same for mails | |
| [19:47] <apachelogger_> hm | |
| [19:47] <nosrednaekim> I really don't think mails should be in .kde | |
| [19:47] <nosrednaekim> its way too dangerous and a bad design IMO | |
| [19:47] <wesley_> is kde4.1 a major or minor release? | |
| [19:47] <apachelogger_> minor | |
| [19:48] <apachelogger_> nosrednaekim: well, they are right now, and we have to put them there for the akonadi import | |
| [19:48] <apachelogger_> hm | |
| [19:48] <wesley_> apachelogger are you also on the kde4 devel? | |
| [19:48] <nosrednaekim> unless you symlink them like I do... | |
| [19:49] <apachelogger_> maybe we can just make postinst delegate the wizard the actions | |
| [19:49] <selckin> i would't even have enough free space for a copy :) | |
| [19:50] <apachelogger_> so it stores the config-definiton-set-amarok file in /foo/bar, and writes a config to /etc/kubuntu-wizard so the wizard will process config-defintion-set-amarok on login and then write it into the user config, so it doesn't do it again | |
| [19:50] <apachelogger_> though that might also cause speed issues with a lot of package updates | |
| [19:51] <apachelogger_> *think* | |
| [19:52] <apachelogger_> ah, it's all very unhealthy :P | |
| [19:52] <apachelogger_> my brain might explode | |
| [19:52] <apachelogger_> bad thing to happen at this point | |
| [19:52] * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk | |
| [20:17] <wesley_> OpenGL Shaders not supported how do i get that supported i have a intel chipset | |
| [20:20] <wesley_> OpenGL Shaders not supported how do i get that supported i have a intel chipset | |
| [20:21] <jpatrick> !repeat > wesley_ | |
| [20:21] <todobg> when will see amarok 2 in repo? | |
| [20:21] <smarter> amarok2 packages are broken :/ | |
| [20:22] <smarter> they're in the ppa | |
| [20:22] <smarter> apachelogger_: ping | |
| [20:22] <todobg> broken or ok? | |
| [20:22] <nosrednaekim> wesley_: use Xrender | |
| [20:22] <smarter> broken. | |
| [20:22] <todobg> ccc | |
| [20:22] <wesley_> i ment not to repeat was just that i needed to reboot | |
| [20:23] <wesley_> where do i find xrender | |
| [20:24] <jpatrick> !support > wesley_ | |
| [20:24] <nosrednaekim> wesley_: under advanced options | |
| [20:24] <apachelogger_> smarter: broken? | |
| [20:24] <smarter> hum works now | |
| [20:24] <apachelogger_> pfft | |
| [20:25] <smarter> apachelogger_: seem to be related to your test version | |
| [20:25] <apachelogger_> sure, blame the test version :P | |
| [20:25] <wesley_> nosrednaekim: kde3 or kde4 systemsettings? | |
| [20:26] <smarter> there was no -phonon package so the two packages had same files | |
| [20:26] <nosrednaekim> wesley_: in the desktop effects settings... in any case, please take this to #kubuntu-kde4 | |
| [20:26] <smarter> going to see how long it takes to crash this one :P | |
| [20:28] <smarter> there's no icon for amarok2 in the menu | |
| [20:28] <apachelogger_> lol | |
| [20:28] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: would you like a pre-release of the compizconfig app ? | |
| [20:31] <todobg> amarok2 have icon here and ok | |
| [20:32] <todobg> lol for this warning | |
| [20:32] <todobg> :) | |
| [20:32] <smarter> "kbuildsycoca4(23344) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType in "kde4/krita_ora.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailingsemicolon)." << is that a kubuntu bug or krita bug? | |
| [20:44] <seele> Riddell: where is the kubuntu group picture from the release party? | |
| [20:44] <seele> Riddell: i havent seen anyone post it yet | |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | |
| [20:54] <allee> smarter: a 'bug' in desktop file, so krita | |
| [21:01] <Nightrose> Riddell: there is a fan page for ubuntu on facebook now - I think we should have one forkubuntu as well | |
| [21:04] <smarter> there's no kde4 wrapper script for krandrtray | |
| [21:04] <nosrednaekim> Nightrose: was that a typo? | |
| [21:04] <smarter> so the krandrtray KDE4 entry in menu doesn't work | |
| [21:04] <Nightrose> nosrednaekim: ? | |
| [21:04] <nosrednaekim> Nightrose: "forkubuntu" | |
| [21:04] <nosrednaekim> XD | |
| [21:04] <Nightrose> hehe yea - for kubuntu | |
| [21:04] <Nightrose> ;-) | |
| [21:09] <smarter> very weird | |
| [21:09] <smarter> I closed and krandrtray-kde4 | |
| [21:09] <smarter> and my computer crashed... | |
| [21:09] <smarter> even magic sysrq keys didn't work | |
| [21:09] <smarter> s/closed and/closed/ | |
| [21:11] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: you should put it into svn | |
| [21:12] <Riddell> mm, not svn, put it into bzr | |
| [21:12] <Riddell> seele: no, I havn't seen it, the woman one neither | |
| [21:13] <apachelogger_> smarter: already have a local fix for krandrtray | |
| [21:15] <smarter> apachelogger_: are you talking about the "lack of wrapper script" issue or the "crash everything and kill your dog" issue? ;) | |
| [21:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: will do.... | |
| [21:21] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: should I just register a new project on launchpad? | |
| [21:22] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: didn't mhb have his stuff in a project? | |
| [21:22] <Riddell> if not, then sure | |
| [21:23] <apachelogger_> smarter: wrapper | |
| [21:46] <nixternal> ryanakca: you like that little mockup? I was bored yesterday so I started playing around in Inkscape | |
| [21:58] <ryanakca> nixternal: yes, I do... interesting concept... it could be the main page / first page, and then we'd have to have a theme for the drupal site that follows | |
| [21:59] <nixternal> yup | |
| [21:59] <nixternal> if we don't use it, there was a guy at the lug event yesterday who would be interested in having a similar concept done for him, so I win no matter what :) | |
| [21:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: put it up on the mockups page... its all we have from what I can see (w.k.o/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups has been loading all day, so I can't) | |
| [21:59] <nixternal> roger | |
| [22:00] <ryanakca> :) | |
| [22:00] * ryanakca goes to change the batteries in his mouse | |
| [22:02] <Tm_T> I first read "in his house" | |
| [22:02] <Tm_T> "ooh, battery powered house, how convenient" | |
| [22:02] <nixternal> hehe | |
| [22:02] <jpatrick> rofl | |
| [22:03] <nixternal> we had to configure a LinkedIn account today for our business class and the professor said that it is a great utility when used....so I have already bugged 90% of the community I think :p | |
| [22:03] <ryanakca> Tm_T: rofl | |
| [22:03] <ryanakca> there we go, much better :) | |
| [22:04] <nixternal> click a link in the wiki, go on vacation..when you come back, the page should be loaded | |
| [22:04] <Tm_T> nixternal: nice, though, if you did bug me, you wasted your time | |
| [22:04] <nixternal> don't think I ran across your name | |
| [22:04] <Tm_T> because I don't use those things | |
| [22:04] <nixternal> we have to have 100% completion by friday | |
| [22:04] <Tm_T> I just keep evading ;) | |
| [22:04] * ryanakca pokes the blasted wiki | |
| [22:05] <nixternal> I need 5 more confirmed contacts and that will get me to 100% and I also need 2 more references to take me up to a 100% | |
| === _czessi is now known as Czessi | |
| [22:05] <nixternal> I at least got the svg and png uploaded | |
| [22:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, might be stupid question, but, is there some way to us (finnish loco) to have some "official" representative of Kubuntu too? as in not only loco leader | |
| [22:06] <Nightrose> nixternal: hehe add me | |
| [22:06] <Nightrose> then you got one more | |
| [22:06] <nixternal> roger that | |
| [22:06] * nixternal logs back in to linkedin | |
| [22:07] <nixternal> done | |
| [22:08] <vorian> evening | |
| [22:08] <nixternal> Sargen Major vorian? :) | |
| [22:08] <vorian> lol | |
| [22:08] <Tm_T> hi kid | |
| [22:09] <vorian> aloha | |
| [22:09] <nixternal> vorian: you haven't updated your LinkedIn account in a while ey? | |
| [22:09] <vorian> what's that? | |
| [22:09] * ryanakca scratches his head and googles to see what linkedin is | |
| [22:09] <nixternal> Stephen Stalcup | |
| [22:09] <nixternal> SGS Sergeant Major at US Army | |
| [22:09] <nixternal> Topeka, Kansas Area | |
| [22:09] <vorian> hmm | |
| [22:09] <vorian> that's weird | |
| [22:09] <nixternal> is that you? | |
| [22:09] <vorian> no | |
| [22:09] <nixternal> hahaha | |
| [22:10] <vorian> I was in the navy | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> wow, another Stalcup | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> oh ya, derr | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> GO NAVY! | |
| [22:10] <Tm_T> stalcup? | |
| [22:10] <vorian> What's weird is I was born in kansas | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> uh oh | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> mix up in the hospital? | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> haha | |
| [22:10] <vorian> (dual identities!!!!) | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> no doubt | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> hijack his stuff! | |
| [22:10] <nixternal> Sergeant Major is big time | |
| [22:10] <vorian> hopefully he doesn't kill his family or something | |
| [22:11] <vorian> I'll prolly get the short end of that stick | |
| [22:11] <nixternal> probably why he hasn't updated his LinkedIn account :p | |
| [22:11] <vorian> mwahaha | |
| [22:11] <nixternal> no Internet in Leavenworth | |
| [22:11] <vorian> only pain | |
| [22:11] <nixternal> ya, I killed that spelling | |
| [22:11] <Tm_T> I prolly have most hc uniform here | |
| [22:12] <nixternal> and I got my certification to transfer prisoners from Leavonworth | |
| [22:12] <vorian> lucky you :P | |
| [22:13] <nixternal> Quantico is worse imho | |
| [22:13] <vorian> with all the feds? | |
| [22:13] <nixternal> ya | |
| [22:13] <vorian> i'd say so | |
| [22:13] <Tm_T> meh | |
| [22:13] <nixternal> the federal holding facility is nasty | |
| [22:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: representative in what way? | |
| [22:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: well some title to use when organising stuff | |
| [22:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: sure, you can be Chief Kubuntu Representative in Scandinavia | |
| [22:14] <Tm_T> and for contacts to authorities and business etc, I don't know | |
| [22:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: perfect | |
| [22:15] <nixternal> hey, I want to be official too, I am just scared to see the title :p | |
| [22:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: mail me some paper soon? ;) | |
| [22:15] <Riddell> the only thing we do with locos is list them on support.php | |
| [22:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: I know | |
| [22:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: but, I'm not ok to just make my own title to use, nor go to organise something big and expensive and be "just some guy/gal" | |
| [22:17] <Riddell> Tm_T: why not? it's what everyone else does | |
| [22:17] <Tm_T> I know I know | |
| [22:17] <Riddell> I don't have a title | |
| [22:17] <Tm_T> :) | |
| [22:17] <Tm_T> you have in my mind | |
| [22:17] <Tm_T> so does our loco contact(leader) in my mind | |
| [22:17] <nixternal> kbdfl, that is you Riddell, sounds like a good title to me :) | |
| [22:17] <Riddell> lots of people at the release event used /the/ | |
| [22:18] <Riddell> as in "are you /the/ Jonathan Riddell" | |
| [22:18] <Tm_T> :)) | |
| [22:18] <Riddell> I think that's about as fancy a title as I would want | |
| [22:18] <Tm_T> agreed there | |
| [22:18] <ryanakca> lol | |
| [22:18] <Tm_T> I don't like titles nor anything | |
| [22:18] * ryanakca waves to /the/ | |
| [22:18] <Tm_T> the end is nigh! | |
| [22:20] <Tm_T> bah | |
| [22:21] <Tm_T> I just go with "active member" if anything needed ever, otherwise I stay with "just some guy/gal" | |
| [22:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: you are our Finish Kubuntu Contact | |
| [22:21] <Tm_T> mmmh | |
| [22:21] <Riddell> since you're who I'd go to to update the details on support.php | |
| [22:21] <Tm_T> heh | |
| === wolfger is now known as wolf-r | |
| [22:22] * ryanakca checks the Todo page to see if it has been updated with any new tasks | |
| [22:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: merge qyoto into kdebindings | |
| [22:22] <Tm_T> I thank for your trust in this | |
| [22:23] <ryanakca> qyoto? into? I'm guessing that would mean take the two seperate packages and put them as one? | |
| [22:23] <ryanakca> s/as/into/ | |
| === wolf-r is now known as wolfger | |
| [22:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: ? | |
| [22:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: aah, btw, something to add to http://www.kubuntu.org/support.php | |
| [22:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: yeah | |
| [22:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: apt-get source qyoto, and get kdebindings packaging from svn.debian.org pkg-kde | |
| [22:30] <Riddell> in branches/kde4/packages | |
| [22:30] <Riddell> get our current kdebindings from apt-get source kdebindings (currently it's only python) | |
| [22:30] <Riddell> and merge in to the debian source | |
| [22:31] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's htat? | |
| [22:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think ubuntu-fi website and forums should be mentioned too | |
| [22:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, and mailinglist? | |
| [22:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: sure, pastebin me an approvriate sentence in HTML in Finish and English | |
| [22:36] <Riddell> appropriate | |
| [22:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, I was writing plain txt, but sure html is doable in seconds | |
| [22:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks for reminding me on this :) | |
| [22:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/kubuntu-support.txt | |
| [22:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: what version do I put it at? 3.5.8-2 or 3.5.8-1ubuntu4 or 3.5.8-2ubuntu1 ? | |
| [22:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: -0ubuntu1, it hasn't been uploaded to debian yet | |
| [22:50] <Riddell> and we can send them the patch to merge in | |
| [22:51] <ryanakca> ok | |
| [22:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: wait... do I rename the source package (currently kdebindings) or something since its already at -1ubuntu3 ? | |
| [22:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: sorry, kdebindings-kde4 for us | |
| [22:55] <Riddell> my mistake | |
| [22:56] <Riddell> but start with http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/branches/kde4/packages/kdebindings/debian/ | |
| [22:56] <ryanakca> yep, I have that | |
| [22:57] * ryanakca is starting with the Debian source, and then bringing in the Ubuntu changes | |
| [22:57] <Riddell> hmm, the Debian package is less finished than I thought | |
| [22:57] <ryanakca> Universe? | |
| [22:57] <Riddell> yes, it's un iverse | |
| [22:58] * ryanakca will take it as far as I can... which probably wont be very far, but at least its a start :) | |
| [22:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: since the debian packaging is basicly unstarted, it might be best to just add qyoto to the packaging we have for now | |
| [22:59] <Riddell> we want to get rid of the qyoto source package anyway, kdebindings is more up to date | |
| [22:59] <ryanakca> ok | |
| [22:59] <ryanakca> so ditch debian and just merge qyoto into our own? | |
| [22:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: yep | |
| [22:59] <ryanakca> kk :) | |
| [23:08] <Riddell> this would be good to have packaged http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kepas+-+KDE+Easy+Publish+and+Share?content=73968 | |
| [23:09] <Riddell> oh, please all test libqt3-mt 3:3.3.8-b-0ubuntu1 | |
| [23:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: is it possible to package knotes-kde4, or do we have to wait for all of kdepim kde4 to be ready? | |
| [23:09] * ryanakca => supper | |
| [23:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: if it's suitable for packaging that could be done | |
| [23:10] <ryanakca> okies, and then just drop it when kdepim is ready? | |
| [23:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: where's that package? | |
| [23:10] <vorian> I can take on Kepas | |
| [23:11] <vorian> or not :) | |
| [23:58] <tlayton> hey, on hardy, i all of a sudden got this error today when starting kontact or kmail. "kontact: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: fstat64" | |