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[02:03] <awmcclain> Is there a reason why bzr for os x doesn't give any feedback during a branch operation? |
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[02:25] <spiv> PyCon registration is open: http://us.pycon.org/2008/registration/ |
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[02:25] <spiv> awmcclain: no good reason, it's a bug |
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[02:26] <spiv> awmcclain: (a bug that happens on all platforms) |
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[02:26] <awmcclain> spiv: When I branched on linux, i got a status bar. At least when branching from svn... |
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[02:27] <spiv> awmcclain: hmm, I don't think there should be any difference between mac and linux for status bars. |
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[02:27] <awmcclain> spiv: I'll look into it. |
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[02:43] <poolie> hello kiko |
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[02:52] <kiko> hey poolie |
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[02:52] <poolie> hi, are you home now? |
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[04:16] <guillaumebokiau> trying to install with macports, but installing macports itself doesn't seem to work. (port: command not found) |
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[04:16] <guillaumebokiau> any advice? |
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[04:19] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, i think you need to install the macports dmg |
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[04:19] <guillaumebokiau> which i did :| |
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[04:19] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, http://www.macports.org/install.php -- then you'll have a port command |
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[04:19] <poolie> hm |
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[04:19] <poolie> is it on your $PATH? |
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[04:19] <poolie> you might need to start a new terminal window? |
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[04:20] <guillaumebokiau> i even rebooted |
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[04:20] <guillaumebokiau> what is $path ? |
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[04:20] <guillaumebokiau> sorry, not very good at those things :/ |
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[04:21] <poolie> please type 'echo $PATH' |
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[04:21] <poolie> into your terminal |
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[04:22] <poolie> also, 'echo $0' |
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[04:22] <poolie> (and press enter) |
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[04:22] <guillaumebokiau> \Library\Frameworks\Python.framework\Versions\Current\bin:\bin:\sbin:\usr\bin:\usr\sbin |
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[04:22] <poolie> see, http://guide.macports.org/#installing.shell |
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[04:23] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, ok, that's probably your problem |
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[04:23] <poolie> try the instructions there |
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[04:23] <guillaumebokiau> ok, thx |
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[04:30] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, did that work? |
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[04:30] <guillaumebokiau> trying to figure this out :) |
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[04:31] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, just for curiousity, why are you using macports rather than a dmg? |
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[04:31] <poolie> did we not have one that would suit? |
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[04:31] <guillaumebokiau> isn't the dmg for ppc ? |
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[04:31] <guillaumebokiau> i'm on intel |
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[04:31] <guillaumebokiau> 10,4 |
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[04:32] <poolie> ok |
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[04:32] <poolie> yes, that's it |
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[04:32] <igc> the dmg should be universal I think |
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[04:32] <poolie> i mean, i wondered if that was the problem |
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[04:32] <poolie> we need someone with a intel 10.4 mac to rebuild it |
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[04:33] <guillaumebokiau> i tried with the ppc dmg anyway, but it didn't work |
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[04:36] <igc> guillaumebokiau: yes, checking again, the 10.4 installer is only ppc only right now sorry |
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[04:37] <guillaumebokiau> there's no other way to install it? |
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[04:37] <guillaumebokiau> than with macports? |
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[04:37] <igc> guillaumebokiau: running straight from source is really easy actually |
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[04:38] <igc> simply untar and put the directory on your path |
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[04:38] <igc> you'll need to install Python 2.4 or 2.5 separately |
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[04:38] <guillaumebokiau> installed that |
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[04:38] <igc> in not already installed |
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[04:38] <igc> s/in/if/ |
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[04:38] <guillaumebokiau> er, what's my 'path' ? |
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[04:39] <guillaumebokiau> (i'm really new to all this) |
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[04:39] <igc> it's where your terminal looks for commands you type |
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[04:39] <guillaumebokiau> that : \Library\Frameworks\Python.framework\Versions\Current\bin:\bin:\sbin:\usr\bin:\usr\sbin ? |
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[04:39] <igc> you can create a file in your home directory to set it each time you start a terminal session |
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[04:40] <bob2> guillaumebokiau: when you type "bzr", your shell looks in each of the directorys in the PATH variable (:-seperated) for that command |
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[04:40] <igc> without setting a path just yet, let's test it works |
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[04:41] <igc> unpack the tar.gz |
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[04:41] <igc> change to the created directory and .. |
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[04:41] <igc> type "./bzr version" |
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[04:42] <guillaumebokiau> have a hard time following. where do I unpack? |
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[04:42] <igc> anywhere you like ... |
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[04:42] <igc> If you double-click ... |
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[04:42] <guillaumebokiau> ok, it's on my desktop :) |
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[04:43] <igc> cool |
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[04:43] <igc> in a terminal, change into that directory |
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[04:43] <igc> try "./bzr version" |
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[04:45] <igc> guillaumebokiau: did that work? |
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[04:46] <guillaumebokiau> hang on :) |
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[04:46] <igc> the directory to change into is something like "Desktop/bzr-1.1" |
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[04:47] <guillaumebokiau> ok, i'm there |
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[04:47] <guillaumebokiau> ~/Desktop/bzr-1.1 |
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[04:48] <igc> great |
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[04:48] <igc> does "./bzr" work? |
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[04:48] <guillaumebokiau> yes! |
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[04:48] <igc> sweet |
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[04:48] <guillaumebokiau> cool |
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[04:48] <igc> now let's put it on your path |
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[04:48] <igc> type this: |
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[04:48] <guillaumebokiau> yeah |
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[04:49] <igc> PATH=~/Desktop/bzr-1.1:$PATH |
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[04:49] <igc> then change to another directory and try "bzr" |
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[04:49] <guillaumebokiau> it"s on the path when i echo it |
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[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> working |
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[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> great |
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[04:50] <igc> ok, let's make it permanent |
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[04:50] <igc> type "cd" to return to your home directory |
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[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> done |
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[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> should i copy the folder there? |
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[04:51] <igc> with your text editor, create a file called ".prfile" if it doesn't already exist |
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[04:51] <igc> oops ... |
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[04:51] <igc> make that .profile |
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[04:51] <igc> inside it put this text ... |
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[04:52] <igc> PATH=~/Desktop/bzr-1.1:$PATH |
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[04:52] <igc> export PATH |
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[04:52] <igc> (that's it) |
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[04:52] <igc> to test ... |
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[04:52] <igc> start another Terminal, in a tab or new Window |
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[04:52] <igc> type "bzr" |
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[04:52] <igc> sound ok? |
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[04:53] <guillaumebokiau> bzr command not found :( |
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[04:54] <igc> ok ... |
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[04:54] <igc> type "echo $PATH" |
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[04:54] <guillaumebokiau> it's not in it |
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[04:54] <bob2> maybe ~/.bashrc would be better, .profile is only sourced on "login" |
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[04:54] <igc> good point |
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[04:55] <bob2> depending on what os x considers login to be |
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[04:55] <guillaumebokiau> i hav a .bash_profile file |
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[04:56] <igc> guillaumebokiau: try putting those 2 lines in there then |
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[04:56] <guillaumebokiau> k |
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[04:57] <guillaumebokiau> ok, i got it working |
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[04:57] <guillaumebokiau> pfew |
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[04:57] <igc> good |
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[04:57] <guillaumebokiau> i think the correct line was PATH="~/.bzr-1.1:${PATH}" |
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[04:58] <guillaumebokiau> anyway, i thanks a lot |
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[04:58] <igc> that ok |
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[04:58] <igc> either syntax should work |
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[04:58] <guillaumebokiau> you saved me :) |
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[04:58] <igc> let us know if you need any more help |
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[04:58] <igc> no problem |
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[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #184733 in bzr "Internal error running bzr selftest for bzr 1.1 on MacOS X 10.5.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184733 |
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[05:24] <guillaumebokiau> where does bazaar save local copies ? |
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[05:24] <poolie> into .bzr in the top of the branch |
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[05:25] <guillaumebokiau> not sure you understood the question :) if I run bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~manfre/xpattern/xpattern-1.0 where does it land ? |
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[05:26] <guillaumebokiau> ah, found |
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[05:26] <guillaumebokiau> ok, sorry, i'm officially stupid |
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[05:27] <poolie> right, into your working directory |
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[05:27] <poolie> no problem, questions are welcome |
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[05:52] <eean> how come it says Unable to load plugin 'bzr_svn_0_4_6' from '/home/ian/.bazaar/plugins' ? |
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[05:52] <eean> when trying to do a bzr svn clone |
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[05:52] <eean> I do have the plugin there |
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[05:53] <spiv> eean: look in ~/.bzr.log |
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[05:54] <spiv> eean: it should have a more detailed error |
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[05:54] <eean> ImportError: The Subversion plugin must be installed as bzrlib.plugins.svn not bzrlib.plugins.bzr_svn_0_4_6 |
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[05:54] <eean> so I'll rename the directory I guess |
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[05:54] <spiv> Right. |
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[05:55] <eean> there it goes |
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[05:55] <eean> I hear it doesn't have a memory leak anymore |
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[05:55] <eean> appears so, so far |
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[05:56] <eean> hmm |
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[05:56] <eean> it is increasing in memory steadily :/ |
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[05:57] <spiv> eean: it depends on how new your subversion bindings for python are |
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[05:57] <eean> aaaah |
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[05:58] <eean> spiv: do you happen to know how new they have to be? |
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[05:58] <eean> it is not using crazy amounts of memory like it used to, but its certainly still leaking. |
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[05:59] <spiv> eean: SVN version of the as of about or week or so ago, IIRC |
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[05:59] <eean> that would make sense that the subversion bindings would be to blame, I didn't understand how a python script could leak. so its probably something in the c bindings |
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[05:59] <eean> haha crap |
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[05:59] <spiv> eean: I think the bzr-svn README links to the relevant bug |
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[05:59] <eean> riddell blogged before then that it had been fixed in bzr-svn |
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[05:59] <spiv> eean: I think newer bzr-svn tries to workaround the worst of it, but obviously it can only do so much... |
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[06:00] <eean> I see |
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[06:00] <spiv> eean: yeah, see the first part of the FAQ in the bzr-svn source :) |
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[06:00] <spiv> "bzr-svn can use a lot of memory cloning big branches when older |
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[06:00] <spiv> versions of the python-subversion bindings are used. This memory leak |
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[06:00] <spiv> has been fixed in the trunk of Subversion (r28544) and has been |
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[06:00] <spiv> proposed for inclusion in Subversion 1.4.7. |
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[06:00] <spiv> " |
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[06:01] <eean> oh wow, its subversion itself to blame? |
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[06:01] <spiv> eean: it's possible this fix has already been included hardy, I haven't checked... |
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[06:01] <eean> well I use gutsy |
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[06:01] <spiv> eean: right, the python bindings are made by the subversion guys. |
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[06:01] <eean> ah ok |
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[06:02] <eean> I can probably make due if I quit and redo every 100000 commits |
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[06:02] <spiv> Yeah :) |
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[06:03] <eean> before it would eat all my memory at about 1000 |
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[06:03] <eean> git svn is giving me shit, so this is a good time to switch ;) |
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[06:04] <spiv> :) |
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[06:05] <eean> I guess this bug has probably made bzr svn clone pretty robust at restarting |
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[06:05] <eean> git svn couldn't deal with the svn server timing out, after about 30 minutes of cloning :/ |
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[06:07] <eean> pfft, or not. "bzr: ERROR: sqlite3.OperationalError: SQL logic error or missing database" |
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[06:08] <spiv> eean: ooh, I haven't seen that one before. |
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[06:08] <eean> http://pastie.caboo.se/141399 |
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[06:08] <eean> on resuming |
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[06:08] <spiv> eean: could you file a bug report? I expect jelmer would like to see that. |
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[06:08] <eean> /dev/sda8 44G 42G 1.7M 100% /home |
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[06:08] <eean> might explain it :) |
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[06:08] <spiv> eean: ah :) |
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[06:24] <eean> will I be able to share this checkout with other devs? |
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[06:24] <eean> I'm kind of worried that it appears to be downloading into ~/.bazaar |
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[06:25] <spiv> eean: yes |
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[06:25] <spiv> eean: the stuff in .bazaar is just a cache of the mapping between data the SVN repo and the data converted to bzr |
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[06:26] <spiv> eean: if the cache is missing or incomplete, bzr-svn will just regenerate it as needed. |
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[06:30] <eeanm> bah my laptop power cord got loose |
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[06:30] <eeanm> spiv: did you say anything after 'yes'? |
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[06:30] <spiv> eeanm: I did, I'll paste: |
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[06:30] <spiv> 17:25 < spiv> eean: the stuff in .bazaar is just a cache of the mapping between data the SVN repo and the data converted to bzr |
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[06:30] <spiv> 17:26 < spiv> eean: if the cache is missing or incomplete, bzr-svn will just regenerate it as needed. |
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[06:31] <eeanm> um that mapping the hard part |
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[06:31] <eeanm> um *isn't that mapping the hard part |
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[06:35] <eeanm> at least when you're cloning a 2.5k LOC, 200 commit module from a SVN with >700000 commits |
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[06:35] <bob2> yes, but people branching from your bzr repository won't need it, all they need is in the bzr repository |
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[06:35] <eeanm> the mapping is a big chunk :| |
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[06:36] <spiv> eeanm: people only need the mapping if they want to use the SVN repo |
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[06:36] <eeanm> well yea |
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[06:37] <spiv> eeanm: I can e.g. take your bzr branch, and make a branch off that, make some commits, and send those back to you, all without touching the upstream SVN repo. |
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[06:37] <eeanm> suppose I could do it that way, but it'd be nice if folks could push to svn themselves |
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[06:37] <spiv> They'll need the mapping then. |
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[06:38] <eeanm> won't be such a big deal once this memory leak fix is availabe |
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[06:38] <spiv> You can probably share the cache from your .bazaar directory. |
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[06:39] <eeanm> sounds like bzr has their act more together then git, we try publishing a git svn repo, someone commited something that they didn't end up pushing to SVN, it totally screwed it up |
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[06:39] <eeanm> would be nice to have feature branching in bzr that could be easily synced with svn |
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[06:41] <eeanm> (that's what we were trying to do with git) |
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[06:42] <poolie> eeanm, well, that should work through bzr-svn |
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[06:57] <eeanm> dang the cache is up to 771 megabytes |
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[06:58] <poolie> how big is the svn repo? |
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[06:59] <eeanm> >700000 commits |
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[06:59] <eeanm> 764k |
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[06:59] <eeanm> I'm up to 421k |
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[07:07] <eeanm> sqlite> select count( * ) from changed_path; |
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[07:07] <eeanm> 3578513 |
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[07:08] <eeanm> probably has something to do with it :) |
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[07:25] <eean> 529215/764151 woot |
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[07:54] * igc dinner |
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[08:33] <eean> the svn clone is soo near completion, and now its just hanging apparently :) |
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[08:33] <eean> erm |
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[08:33] <eean> :( |
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[08:38] <AfC> eean: Is the Subversion repository in question public? If it is, I'm sure people will be willing to attempt to replicate the problem. |
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[08:39] <eean> yea, its KDE |
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[08:39] <eean> ah ok cool |
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[08:39] <eean> nevermind |
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[08:39] <eean> now its "analyzing layout" |
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[08:40] <eean> about 4 minutes there when it didn't respond, I was worried :) |
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[08:40] <eean> heh analyzing layout is going to take an hour or so it looks like. at least it doesn't leak memory. |
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[08:41] <eean> ah no, that's not true, more like 15 minutes I bet, its already 1/7 done |
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[08:49] <lifeless> hi |
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[08:55] <lifeless> jelmer: sorry, missed that in backlog, only saw your ^^, what was it ? |
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[08:56] <AfC> eean: You might want to reply to poolie's RFC about finer grained progress reporting on the mailing list today and note your experience of long waits without feedback |
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[09:30] <asabil> hi all |
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[09:32] <lifeless> hi |
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[10:43] <lifeless> abentley: hi |
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[10:43] <lifeless> abentley: how is sydney :) |
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[10:43] <abentley> Quite nice. |
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[10:43] <abentley> Weather's definitely superior to Toronto's. |
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[10:44] <abentley> Although pretty similar to Toronto in summertime. |
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[10:44] <thumper> lifeless: it is hot and muggy |
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[10:44] <thumper> too hot and too muggy |
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[10:44] <thumper> but that's from my Dunedin point of view |
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[10:44] <abentley> This is the first sprint I've ever done without you, though, which is a bit wierd. |
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[10:45] <abentley> thumper: Toronto in the summertime can be quite muggy, too. We're on the edge of Lake Ontario, one of the Great Lakes. |
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[10:45] <lifeless> thumper: unedin is easily as humid; its the heat that does it |
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[10:49] <muffinresearch> Greetings chaps. |
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[10:51] <muffinresearch> Are the London sprint dates set in stone? Just it clashes with SXSWi in part. |
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[10:51] <muffinresearch> Though in any case I would try a pop along on the Monday if I can |
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[10:52] <thumper> muffinresearch: what is SXSWi? |
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[10:52] <muffinresearch> south by south west |
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[10:52] <muffinresearch> http://sxsw.com |
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[10:56] <muffinresearch> Is coming to the sprint, a good idea for people who want to start getting more involved? |
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[10:58] <asabil> http://ifaedi.insa-lyon.fr/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png |
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[11:00] <muffinresearch> Or is it more of a closed event for current core developers? |
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[13:44] <eean> does bzr svn not follow svn moves? |
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[13:44] * eean looks at the website again |
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[13:45] <jrydberg_> svn does not have move |
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[13:46] <eean> um, yes it does |
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[13:46] <jrydberg_> it has copy, iirc. |
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[13:46] <eean> and move |
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[13:46] <eean> but anyways |
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[13:46] <eean> its possible either way |
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[13:46] <Akheron> it has sime kind of add with history? |
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[13:46] <eean> does bzr not follow them? |
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[13:46] <eean> Akheron: yes |
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[13:47] <jelmer> eean: svn only has copy+delete |
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[13:47] <eean> that sounds awfully like moving to me |
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[13:47] <eean> and there is a svn move command |
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[13:47] <jelmer> eean: in order to be able to convert a copy+delete to a rename you have to prove there is only one copy of a file and that the original was removed |
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[13:47] <eean> I don't care if its seen as a rename or not |
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[13:48] <jelmer> "svn move" is an alias for "svn copy"+"svn delete" |
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[13:48] <eean> but it thinks this 8 month old project is only a day old |
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[13:48] <eean> since it was copied+deleted yesterday |
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[13:48] <jelmer> it should follow copies of branches |
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[13:49] <jelmer> (if you copy /trunk to /tags/2.0 it should recognize that) |
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[13:49] <eean> ah ok, well it didn't. I'll double check the svn log |
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[13:50] <jelmer> is this a public repository? |
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[13:50] <eean> yes |
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[13:50] <eean> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer |
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[13:51] <eean> well svn log tracks its history through all the reneames |
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[13:51] <jelmer> ah, the KDE repository |
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[13:52] <eean> this project is entirely post-CVS if that's what you're thinking :) |
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[13:52] <eean> I heard that conversion messed some things up |
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[13:52] <jelmer> At the moment the copy tracking only works for the current "branching scheme" |
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[13:52] <eean> ah |
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[13:52] <jelmer> by default that's the standard /trunk ; branches/* ; tags/* structure |
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[13:53] <asabil> jelmer: is that what you wanted : http://ifaedi.insa-lyon.fr/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png ? |
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[13:53] <eean> jelmer: can you add this as a known problem? |
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[13:53] <jelmer> eean: We're trying to make that deal with other situations as well, but that won't happen until 0.5.0 |
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[13:53] <eean> cause I just wasted 3 hours last night, restarting bzr svn constantly :| |
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[13:53] <jelmer> eean: There's already a bug for it |
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[13:54] <asabil> (iirc I had a discussion yesterday with you and Schierbeck) |
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[13:54] <eean> I mean, on the website |
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[13:54] <jelmer> asabil: Ah, that looks quite nice |
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[13:54] <jelmer> eean: will do, thanks |
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[13:55] <asabil> jelmer: want a branch to give it a try? |
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[13:55] <eean> cool thank you |
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[13:55] <jelmer> asabil: any chance you can send an email to the bzr-gtk list? |
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[13:55] <asabil> jelmer: I am not subscribed :/ |
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[13:55] <jelmer> asabil: Should be easy to do :-) Otherwise I can manually approve your email |
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[13:56] <asabil> jelmer: I was subscribed a while ago |
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[13:56] <asabil> but the list is very high traffic for me |
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[13:56] <jelmer> asabil: it's a lot quieter these days :-/ |
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[13:56] <eean> jelmer: do you plan on optimizing how you use the sqlite database? I suppose personally I don't optimize until after I'm finished, so I can't blame you for not. :) |
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[13:57] <eean> cause for KDE its 1.9gigs |
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[13:57] <jelmer> eean: the focus so far has mostly been on correctness |
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[13:57] <jelmer> eean: hopefully we can cache less in the near future |
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[13:58] <rjek> corrections is paramount: performance is a bonus. Especially in this sort of product. |
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[13:58] <eean> right |
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[13:58] <rjek> s/corrections/correctness/ |
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[14:04] <asabil> jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~asabil/bzr-gtk/viz-tags-fancy |
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[14:04] <asabil> jelmer: please feel free to mail the list about it, if you want |
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[14:04] <asabil> I am busy with other things right now sorry |
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[14:05] <asabil> I edited the branch summary to point to the screenshot |
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[14:32] <schierbeck> asabil: hello! |
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[14:33] <asabil> hey schierbeck |
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[14:33] <asabil> schierbeck: https://code.launchpad.net/~asabil/bzr-gtk/viz-tags-fancy |
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[14:33] <schierbeck> i've just seen it, great job! |
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[14:33] <schierbeck> are you on the mailing list? |
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[14:35] <asabil> nop schierbeck |
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[14:35] <asabil> please feel free to mail the list about it if you want |
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[14:35] <asabil> and thanks :) |
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[14:36] <schierbeck> i'm currently looking into some small changes, like decreasing the font size, having the tags stack horizontally so they're all visible, and using a single color for all tags |
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[14:37] <asabil> decreasing the font size is as simple as |
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[14:38] <asabil> tag_layout.set_markup("<small>" + tag + "</small>") |
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[14:38] <asabil> instead of tag_layout.set_text(...) |
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[14:38] <asabil> (but am not sure if you want to use tags) |
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[14:39] <asabil> making the tags stack horizontally is a matter of changing x0 and leaving y0 fixed |
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[15:05] <schierbeck> asabil: ok, i've made a few changes, they should be at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/viz-tags |
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[15:10] <asabil> schierbeck: did you try the code with many tags ? |
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[15:10] <asabil> there is too much space between the tags I think |
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[15:10] <schierbeck> asabil: only with two -- i'll check it out now |
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[15:11] <asabil> but it looks nicer indeed |
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[15:11] <asabil> there is just one issue |
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[15:11] <asabil> I am not sure about using markups |
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[15:11] <schierbeck> yeah, it screws up |
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[15:11] <asabil> as it might blow up if ^evil^ developers decide to use pango markup in their tags :D |
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[15:12] <schierbeck> asabil: we'll just escape the tag text |
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[15:12] <schierbeck> we do that with the summary already |
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[15:12] <asabil> if it is just about making the text smaller |
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[15:12] <schierbeck> no, it's also about tooltips and such |
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[15:12] <asabil> you can set the font directly |
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[15:12] <asabil> oh ok |
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[15:13] <cr3> how can I apply a bzr diff between releases 239 and 240 for example? |
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[15:13] <luks> "apply"? |
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[15:14] <cr3> bzr revert -r239..240? |
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[15:14] <dato> cr3: bzr merge -r 239..240 |
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[15:14] <dato> or -r 240..239, depending on what you want |
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[15:15] <cr3> dato: cheers, exactly what I was looking for |
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[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183821 in bzr-svn "bzr branch fails with AssertionError in parse_revid_property" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183821 |
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[15:17] <schierbeck> asabil: try pulling again |
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[15:18] <schierbeck> it seems to be working now |
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[15:18] <asabil> imho it looks better |
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[15:19] <asabil> :) |
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[15:19] <schierbeck> asabil: would you be able to make the label have a single, common color? |
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[15:19] <schierbeck> like a yellow, post-it-ish one? |
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[15:19] <asabil> I am not sure if it is good idea |
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[15:20] <schierbeck> i think it would be more aesthetically pleasing |
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[15:20] <asabil> so we need to decide on a color then |
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[15:20] <schierbeck> yup |
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[15:20] <asabil> a hardcode color :p |
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[15:20] <schierbeck> :D |
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[15:21] <fullermd> You could make it a red/blue offset, and sell 30-cent cardboard/gel glasses, so people can see them in 3-D! |
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[15:21] <schierbeck> :x |
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[15:22] <schierbeck> there may lie a few usability issues right there... :) |
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[15:22] <schierbeck> although it would be kick-ass! |
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[15:23] <fullermd> I can just see the reviews, though... "I liked bzr overall, but it felt like the tags were attacking me." |
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[15:23] <schierbeck> fuck, i always seem to get excited about these projects when i'm studying... my exam is on wednesday! |
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[15:24] <fullermd> Heck, that's _days_ away... plenty of time ;> |
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[15:24] <schierbeck> fullermd: we'd still be less scary than git... |
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[15:24] <fullermd> Yeah. git would be 3-d, but would sneak up from behind you. |
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[15:26] <schierbeck> yup, and it would hold you down until you iterated all available git commands |
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[15:26] <jelmer> schierbeck: That sounds familiar... |
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[15:27] <fullermd> "Say 'git-fmt-merge-msg'! *SLAP* SAY 'git-fmt-merge-msg'!!!" |
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[15:27] <jelmer> for some reason the time I'm most productive is the days before I have a deadline or an exam or something |
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[15:27] <schierbeck> jelmer: me too, it's just that i'm not studying |
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[15:27] <schierbeck> everything else seems so damn interesting in comparison! |
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[15:28] <fullermd> Well, I've got this project you could do some work on... would cure that little problem RIGHT up :p |
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[15:28] <schierbeck> zzzzzZZZzzz |
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[15:28] <schierbeck> huh.. what? |
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[15:29] <schierbeck> :) |
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[15:30] <jelmer> :-) |
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[15:30] <schierbeck> jelmer: have you checked out my additions to asabil's whoop-cake awesome work? |
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[15:30] <schierbeck> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/viz-tags |
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[15:30] <jelmer> not yet |
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[15:31] <schierbeck> it's on the team repo, so you guys can write to it |
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[15:31] <jelmer> thanks, will have a look |
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[15:31] <schierbeck> :) |
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[15:34] <asabil> schierbeck: you can pull from my branch |
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[15:34] <asabil> the colour is yellow now |
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[15:36] <schierbeck> cool! |
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[15:38] <schierbeck> asabil: that looks great! i've merged it into the ~bzr-gtk branch |
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[15:38] <schierbeck> you should be able to pull |
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[15:38] <jelmer> schierbeck: ? Your branch you mean? |
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[15:39] <schierbeck> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/viz-tags |
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[15:48] <Bwoaas> Hi all. I have a question regarding 'commit --local' in 0.90.0. When I use it, I keep getting conflicts, and now I am wondering if I am using it in the correct way. |
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[15:48] <Bwoaas> Currently I do: |
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[15:48] <Bwoaas> bzr co sftp://[snip] |
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[15:48] <Bwoaas> bzr ci --local |
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[15:48] <Bwoaas> bzr ci |
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[15:48] <Bwoaas> and this is where I get conflicts |
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[15:48] <asabil> schierbeck: can you pull again please ? |
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[15:49] <schierbeck> asabil: sure |
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[15:49] <asabil> not very sure if it looks better |
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[15:49] <asabil> fell free to test it |
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[15:49] <asabil> also maybe you want to delete the tag that I added and forgot to remove : |
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[15:49] <asabil> :D |
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[15:49] <asabil> the Woot tag |
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[15:50] <schierbeck> cool! |
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[15:50] <schierbeck> the holes could be a bit bigger, though |
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[15:50] <schierbeck> jelmer: new patch sent to the ml, it's pretty trivial |
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[15:50] <asabil> schierbeck: they don't look nice when bigger |
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[15:51] <asabil> maybe you can try |
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[15:51] <schierbeck> ok |
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[15:57] <schierbeck> asabil: okay, i've made them a bit larger |
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[15:57] <schierbeck> pull them in |
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[15:57] <asabil> yep that's better :D |
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[15:58] <schierbeck> do you think we can adjust the position of the hole? |
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[15:58] <schierbeck> it's just a tad too high |
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[15:58] <asabil> I think it looks perfect to me |
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[15:58] <asabil> it is right in the middle |
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[15:58] <schierbeck> yeah, could be i'm wrong -- such things depend on the screen and whatnot |
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[15:58] <asabil> oO how can it be high ? |
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[15:59] <schierbeck> asabil: many such things are psychological -- sometimes you need to bend things to make them look even |
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[15:59] <asabil> :/ |
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[15:59] <schierbeck> :) |
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[16:00] <asabil> oh and btw, I am not sure you needed a bzr merge |
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[16:00] <asabil> you could have used bzr pull |
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[16:00] <schierbeck> nah, you forgot to pull my merger |
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[16:00] <schierbeck> i tried |
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[16:00] <asabil> because there was no divergence |
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[16:01] <schierbeck> look at the graph -- i had already merged with your branch once, hence there was a revision in my branch that wasn't in yours |
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[16:02] <asabil> oh ok sorry |
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[16:02] <asabil> didn't notice |
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[16:27] <schierbeck> np :) |
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[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #178108 in bzr-svn "Implement SvnRepository.find_branches()" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178108 |
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[16:59] <schierbeck> asabil: do you think the branch is ready to be merged into trunk? |
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[16:59] <asabil> schierbeck: yep, I don't see any big issue |
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[16:59] <schierbeck> then i'll make a merge request |
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[17:00] <asabil> cool :) |
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[17:00] <asabil> next time I might make the tags corner rounded :D |
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[17:00] * asabil is a bling addict |
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[17:04] <schierbeck> asabil: i thought about it, too -- it would be cool |
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[17:04] <schierbeck> btw, sign up for the mailing list |
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[17:05] <fullermd> And it should be a cube! That you can spin! |
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[17:05] <asabil> schierbeck: the ML is too high traffic for me |
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[17:05] <asabil> schierbeck: I was subscribed |
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[17:06] <asabil> fullermd: lol |
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[17:06] <schierbeck> it's not that high traffic atm... |
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[17:06] <asabil> ok ok I will subscribe again |
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[17:06] <jelmer> it's about 40 messages per month these days |
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[17:06] <lifeless> jelmer: hi, sorry I haven't gotten you on pqm yet |
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[17:07] <jelmer> 'morning lifeless |
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[17:07] <jelmer> lifeless: no hurry; would be nice to be able to use pqm at some point though |
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[17:07] <lifeless> jelmer: I'm in London this week; so we can chat in the same timezone (FSVO same) |
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[17:08] <jelmer> ah, ok |
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[17:09] <asabil> schierbeck: I am subscribed |
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[17:09] <asabil> to bazaar@lists..... |
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[17:10] <schierbeck> nah, it's bzr-gtk@lists.canonical.com |
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[17:12] <asabil> ah oki |
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[17:14] <asabil> done |
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[17:28] <welterde> is there a command to view the gpg-signature of a commit? |
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[17:30] <jelmer> welterde: not yet afaik |
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[17:32] <welterde> jelmer: hmm... how strong is the authentication of the commits? eg. do they depend on a hash of the commit-data, on the previous commits? |
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[17:32] <welterde> (like git for example) |
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[17:34] <jelmer> welterde: afaik both |
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[17:35] <welterde> hmm.. so manipulating a older revision would be detected? |
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[17:35] <jelmer> yes |
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[17:35] <jelmer> at the moment, there isn't any functionality to check signatures though |
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[17:37] <welterde> but gpg-signatures are checked afair, or not? |
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[17:37] <jelmer> I don't think they are either |
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[17:38] <welterde> ah.. is an extra plugin |
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[17:50] <lifeless> welterde: commit signatures do not transitively verify older history |
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[17:50] <lifeless> welterde: this is deliberate |
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[17:51] <lifeless> welterde: as it allows partial history environments to be verified |
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[17:53] <yacc> Just wondering, is it possible to store the whoami value on a per project basis? |
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[17:56] <lifeless> sure; you can probably set it in branch.conf; or url based in locations.conf |
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[17:58] <welterde> lifeless: so no protection against a manipulated bzr branch? |
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[17:58] <lifeless> welterde: uh, sure there is protection; just sign the commits for the history as well |
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[17:59] <welterde> hmm... yeah... but besides that there is none? |
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[18:00] <lifeless> I'm not sure what you're getting at |
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[18:01] <welterde> if someones stops by and manipulates the unsigned history, that wouldnt be detected, right? |
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[18:02] <welterde> (manipulates in a way the checkout changes) |
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[18:14] <welterde> does bzr leak ip-addresses on any operation? |
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[18:19] <lifeless> welterde: 'leak'? |
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[18:19] <welterde> lifeless: like, being noted somewhere |
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[18:19] <welterde> inside of commits or something like that |
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[18:20] <lifeless> it may record them in your !/.bzr.log; and the commiter name is derived from your username and hostname by default |
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[18:20] <welterde> which can be changed with bzr whoami |
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[18:22] <lifeless> right |
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[18:23] <welterde> lifeless: but signing one commit doesnt automaticly "sign" all of the commits before :/ |
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[18:23] <lifeless> right |
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[18:23] <lifeless> you can bzr sign-my-commits though if you haven't been signing them |
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[18:24] <welterde> and when the person, of whom the commits are, is not reachable? |
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[18:24] <welterde> thus cant sign his commits? |
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[18:27] <welterde> lifeless: and can i sign commits which just have a name? |
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[18:27] <welterde> eg. from a cvs-import |
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[18:28] <lifeless> sure; I'm off to dinner now, have fun |
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[18:31] <Peng> welterde: You might also want to change your bazaar.conf/locations.conf/branch.conf to require signatures. See the docs. |
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[18:32] <welterde> Peng: yeah... know that |
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[18:52] <Enquest> is there a way to get some stats out of bazaar... Like how many lines of code has been changed the last day or period? |
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[18:54] <james_w> Enquest: apart from 'bzr info' there is nothing that I know of. |
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[18:54] <Enquest> maybe that would be a cool thing to get into it. |
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[18:55] <james_w> However the example you mention could be approximated by piping something like 'bzr diff -rdate:yesterday' to diffstat |
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[18:56] <james_w> I agree it would be interesting. It would work very nicely as a plugin I expect. |
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[18:56] <beuno> Enquest, and there is a stats plugins which shows mostly per-user stuff: http://bzr.arbash-meinel.com/plugins/stats |
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[19:31] <elmo> Copying repository content as tarball... |
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[19:31] <elmo> bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('file:///home/james/scratch/trunk/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags. |
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[19:31] <elmo> why does bzr hate me? |
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[19:32] <fullermd> It's your shoes. |
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[19:42] <elmo> wtf |
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[19:42] <elmo> if I rsync the entire dir, and bzr branch locally it works |
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[19:42] <elmo> bzr makes me CRY |
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[19:43] <Peng> elmo: Bzr version? Smart server? Shared repo? |
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[19:43] <fullermd> Smart server, I suspect. |
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[19:44] <elmo> bzr 1.0, bzr+ssh (so I guess smart?), and yes, shared repo I think |
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[19:44] <fullermd> An incarnation of bug 173002. |
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[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173002 in bzr "Branching from hpss doesn't preserve non-repository formats" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173002 |
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[19:44] <Peng> Ah. |
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[19:44] <Peng> Does that affect bzr+http too? |
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[19:45] <fullermd> I presume it affects bzr+anything. |
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[19:45] <elmo> shall I followup to the bug? |
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[19:45] <fullermd> I dunno why your bzr 1.0 would try to make a branch5 branch, though. |
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[19:46] <fullermd> It should go with the default, which is branch6. |
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[19:46] <fullermd> Please. |
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[19:48] <Peng> You may have been the person who said "no" last time I asked, but is there an easy way to "upgrade" from branc6 to branch5? |
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[19:48] <Peng> branch6* |
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[19:48] <elmo> I didn't create the repo on the other end |
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[19:48] <fullermd> You can pull. It may even not bother giving you an error if there are no tags. |
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[19:51] <dysinger> Heh! morning. |
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[19:52] <dysinger> Anyone in here on OS X Leopard? (I presume most of you are on Ubuntu/Debian.) |
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[19:53] <dysinger> Jelmer I updated the wiki page several times last week. I never did get it 100% right. Hopefully I can keep bugging people on Leopard to try it out.... |
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[19:53] <dysinger> (it being bzr-svn) |
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[19:53] <elmo> bah. sorry, I somehow ended up on gutsy bzr instead of 1.0 |
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[19:53] <elmo> 1.0 works |
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[19:53] <fullermd> Well, 1.0 works by coincidence. |
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[19:54] <fullermd> It happens to use branch6 in its default format, so you don't hit the same problem. |
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[19:54] <Peng> God, Canonical owns our souls. Bazaar, Ubuntu, Launchpad... |
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[19:54] <fullermd> It's till a bug that it doesn't preserve the remote format. |
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[19:54] <elmo> fullermd: ah, ok - so still follow up? |
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[19:54] <dato> Peng: and that is ontopic how? |
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[19:54] <Peng> dato: It's not. :) |
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[19:54] <fullermd> He's fishing for bribes to keep quiet about it. |
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[19:55] <fullermd> Maybe the common criticism is wrong; bzr needs MORE format changes, to keep those sort of bugs in the forefront and high on the priority stack ;) |
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[20:15] <schierbeck> jelmer: ping |
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[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #184898 in bzr "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'abort'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184898 |
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[21:19] <welterde> are gpg-signatures pushed yet? |
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[21:21] <welterde> *over existing non-signed commits |
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[22:24] <BasicOSX> Is there a way to test bzr's email plugin? I think my upstream smtp server is rejecting relaying, but I want to confirm. Some sort of debug output from the plugin? |
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[22:30] <james_w> BasicOSX: you could look in ~/.bzr.log |
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[22:50] <igc> morning |
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[23:00] <luislavena> hello everybody. |
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[23:00] <luislavena> is there a way (simpler) to change the commit messages? (4 or 5 revisions) |
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[23:01] <aklaver> I asked yesterday about the location of the latest debs. Set my repositories to PPA. The problem is there does not seem to be a *.deb for Dapper. |
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[23:03] <jelmer> dysinger: thanks for the wiki updates |
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[23:03] <dysinger> jelmer np - I just wish it worked perfectly - |
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[23:04] <jelmer> dysinger: what's not working? |
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[23:04] <dysinger> for some reason ssl svn access through bzr dosen't work |
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[23:04] <dysinger> neon installs, svn 1.5 installs, svn 1.5 + ssl works |
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[23:04] <dysinger> but not bzr-svn ssl |
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[23:04] <jelmer> even using the svn+https:// prefix? |
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[23:04] <dysinger> n |
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[23:05] <dysinger> I am just hoping for more people trying it soon. |
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[23:05] <dysinger> It dumps out of python. |
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[23:05] <jelmer> oh, what error? |
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[23:06] <dysinger> some stack trace - I didn't study it closely. I can go back to it soon and give specifics - it's nothing that was real clear to me what the problem was. |
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[23:07] <dysinger> You can see from the wiki, I am using bzr-svn "stable" repo - is this ok? |
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[23:07] <jelmer> dysinger: yeah, "stable" is just a symlink to the 0.4 branch |
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[23:07] <jelmer> dysinger: seeing the backtrace may help debug this problem |
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[23:14] <dysinger> ok hold on 2 minutes jelmer, i'll get it. |
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[23:21] <jelmer> ok |
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[23:25] <dysinger> I am installing again fresh |
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[23:25] <dysinger> I spent time reading through the svn/neon INSTALL docs |
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[23:25] <dysinger> so I think I have that part right |
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[23:26] <dysinger> I think this is some sort of problem with Apple's python or something. |
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[23:26] <jelmer> if it' |
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[23:26] <jelmer> s giving you a python backtrace, chances are it may be a bzr-svn bug |
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[23:26] <dysinger> ah ok |
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[23:38] <dysinger> OK I have svn 1.5 + neon installed with openssl support - all check-swig-py tests pass. svn --version reveals 1.5 with https support. I can checkout https://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk with svn 1.5 no problem. No for the stack dump on bzr-svn |
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[23:46] <dysinger> So just like it says in the wiki bzr checkout --lightweight http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk test works |
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[23:46] <dysinger> jelmer notice no ssl |
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[23:46] <dysinger> one sec and running ssl |
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[23:50] <dysinger> jelmer I get |
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[23:50] <dysinger> bzr checkout --lightweight \ |
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[23:50] <dysinger> > https://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk test |
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[23:50] <dysinger> Assertion failed: (g->gc.gc_refs != _PyGC_REFS_UNTRACKED), function instancemethod_dealloc, file Objects/classobject.c, line 2285. |
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[23:50] <dysinger> Abort trap |
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[23:52] <dysinger> The apple core dump pop up gives me this |
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[23:52] <dysinger> http://pastie.caboo.se/141720 |
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[23:57] <dysinger> that's all - I don't know what to do know. |
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[23:57] <dysinger> now |
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[23:57] <dysinger> s/know/now/g |
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[23:57] <dysinger> lolz |
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