2008/01/18/#ubuntu+1.txt

[00:03] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, so it was the framebuffer?
[00:06] <tretle> compiz is a bit crashy on my end too
[00:06] <tretle> useable though
[00:06] <RAOF> Amazingly, compiz works on the nouveau drivers.  If you use Xgl, and don't mind it being slow as molasses :)
[00:06] <crdlb> :D
[00:07] <DrUnKnMuNkY> tried xgl earlier today for all of 10 minutes.. it was slow to the point of being unusable
[00:07] <phin> hmmm
[00:07] <phin> is anyone having issues with compiz?
[00:08] <crdlb> heh
[00:08] <phin> it doesnt seem to love me anymore
[00:08] <RAOF> Incidentally, anyone who has an nvidia card and doesn't particularly want 3d, I now recommend trying nouveau before nv.
[00:08] <DrUnKnMuNkY> phin, mine broke earlier today. what's your issue?
[00:09] <crdlb> cool beans
[00:09] <crdlb> phin: details are helpful :)
[00:09] <phin> no problem
[00:09] <RAOF> Todays fun nouveau fact: firefox scrolls faster with nouveau than the binary blob on my 7600go
[00:10] <crdlb> nice
[00:10] <crdlb> die, nvidia driver, die
[00:12] <phin> i noticed it wasnt running so i went to my appearane preferences, and so it was set to none, so i tried to change it back to custom, the screen blanks a bunch and it fails. so i goto term and type compiz --replace and it spits out this: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/157351
[00:12] <phin> im using the intel driver
[00:12] <DrUnKnMuNkY> DarkMageZ: it may have been that, but my xorg.conf was bloated with a whole bunch of crap, I'll be able to nail down exactly what was causing it hopefully
[00:12] <DrUnKnMuNkY> i'm assuming now it was something to do with multiple monitors
[00:13] <crdlb> phin: you aren't using metacity's compositor by any chance are you?
[00:13] <phin> i think its being used, yes
[00:13] <crdlb> turn it off
[00:14] <phin> how?
[00:14] <crdlb> xcompmgr copypasta sucks :<
[00:14] <crdlb> gconf-editor /apps/metacity
[00:14] <phin> i havent used metacity in quite some time
[00:14] <phin> ah ok
[00:14] <phin> danke, that should work for me
[00:15] <RAOF> Oh, man.  I should turn on metacity's compositor while I'm nouveauing.
[00:15] <crdlb> it's really disappointing that the author of the metacity compositor never even tested switching to compiz :/
[00:16] <phin> no shit
[00:16] <phin> crdlb: thanks man!
[00:16] <phin> that did the trick :)
[00:17] <RAOF> Let's add that to the list of "things not to do": kill xcompmgr with metacity's compositor enabled.
[00:17] <phin> now, i just have to patiantly wait for exa to pan out :)
[00:19] <RAOF> Hey, cool.  Metacity's compositor is less evil than xcompmgr.
[00:20] <phin> no
[00:20] <phin> lol
[00:20] <crdlb> RAOF: in what way? :)
[00:20] <RAOF> In the way that it doesn't randomly use corrupt textures.
[00:20] <crdlb> that falls under the category of "broken", not "evil" :p
[00:20] <RAOF> Although it seems that multi-head is a bit beyond it.
[00:22] <RAOF> Ok.  It'l less *broken* than xcompmgr.
[00:24] <RAOF> Right.  Although it does break Do like a twig.
[00:26] <phoul> Anyone know a good sfv file checker?
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[02:35] <HellMind> What is the alsa version of hardy heron?
[02:37] <HellMind> hey
[02:37] <HellMind> just check
[02:37] <HellMind> what alsa it uses please
[02:39] <HellMind> alsactl -v
[02:39] <HellMind> and tell me what it says please
[02:40] <HellMind> Wake up
[02:40] <RAOF> !info alsa-base hardy | HellMind
[02:40] <ubotu> hellmind: alsa-base: ALSA driver configuration files. In component main, is important. Version 1.0.15-4ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 191 kB, installed size 384 kB
[02:41] <HellMind> nice
[02:41] <HellMind> !info jack hardy | RAOF
[02:41] <ubotu> raof: jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-21 (hardy), package size 144 kB, installed size 656 kB
[02:41] <HellMind> !info jackd hardy | Lord Momoland
[02:41] <ubotu> lord momoland: jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.103.0-6ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 360 kB
[02:41] <HellMind> dammit why it uses the old jack
[02:42] <RAOF> HellMind: Please don't ping random people with ubotu, it's really obnoxious.
[02:42] <HellMind> !info kernel hardy
[02:42] <ubotu> Package kernel does not exist in hardy
[02:42] <HellMind> !info kernel-image hardy
[02:42] <ubotu> Package kernel-image does not exist in hardy
[02:42] <HellMind> RAOF: sorry and thank you
[02:43] <HellMind> !info linux-image-rt hardy
[02:43] <ubotu> Package linux-image-rt does not exist in hardy
[02:43] <HellMind> :O
[02:43] <HellMind> !info linux-image* hardy
[02:43] <RAOF> It seems you probably want to learn about packages.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <ubotu> linux-image: Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.4.4 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:44] <HellMind> It seams there are no pre made kernel images with realtime capabilities
[02:45] <RAOF> HellMind: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hardy&release=all
[02:45] <HellMind> excelent
[02:45] <HellMind> RAOF: you rocks
[02:59] <emgent> xstasi, augh
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[03:22] <HellMind> What can I do to push to introduce a new version of jackd into the hardy distribution?
[03:22] <HellMind> who desides what should be there
[03:26] <RAOF> HellMind: I'd suggest filing an upgrade bug against the jack package.  You probably want to have answers for the following questions:  Is there a newer version in Debian?  What does the new version fix/add?  Etc
[03:27] <HellMind> why we are so afraid of upgrade? new upgrades usually gave more unestability?
[03:27] <RAOF> No.  Before feature freeze it's open slather on upgrades.
[03:28] <RAOF> On the other hand, there are finite packaging resources.  Giving people a good reason makes it more likely they'll do it.
[03:28] <HellMind> is there any distro that always try to give the latest version of software?
[03:28] <RAOF> Well, most of them.
[03:29] <RAOF> I think Foresight is trying a rolling release?
[03:29] <RAOF> Debian Sid?
[03:29] <HellMind> that isnt enough
[03:31] <RAOF> You can always help make Ubuntu (or many other distros) that distribution by helping to package shiny new stuff.
[03:34] <HellMind> you do that?
[03:34] <RAOF> !contribute | HellMind
[03:34] <ubotu> HellMind: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[03:37] <phin> HellMind: there are plenty of rolling release distros
[03:38] <phin> feature freeze distros are great for stability
[03:38] <phin> and it offers a reliable way for people to package up 3rd party applications for a distro
[03:38] <phin> as, things like libaries and the like, rarely change
[03:39] <phin> say now, as a software devolper, i can release a package for ubuntu gutsy, and i know 6 months down the road, its gonna work still for ubuntu gutsy
[03:39] <phin> i release for debian sid, it could stop working next week
[03:39] <phin> its really the only way you are going to get more commercial software venders to even bother releaseing for linux
[03:41] <phin> if you want cutting edge ubuntu, just switch right away to the next version once everything gets frozen, or goto debian sid.  you could try a few of the other flavours, such as slack or arch.
[03:41] <RAOF> gentoo is rolling-release, too, if you like unsupportable.
[03:43] <phin> i do wish they would come with grumpy groundhog
[03:43]  * DanaG likes using development versions of Ubuntu.
[04:02] <HellMind> locate libGL.so.1 =>  /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[04:02] <HellMind>  but rror creating symbolic link `./usr/lib/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[04:02] <HellMind> /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-mesa-glx_7.0.2-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:04] <HellMind> -> libGL.so.169.07
[04:04] <HellMind> Should I unistall my nvidia driver :S
[04:09] <HellMind> how can i fix that :S
[04:10] <HellMind> what for I need to install that .deb  -_- to use hardy
[04:32] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/159434
[04:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159434 in libcairo "Unable to set legacy subpixel rendering" [Undecided,Invalid]
[04:32] <DanaG> I still can't set legacy there.
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[04:50] <alex_mayorga> hello there, can Firefox 2 and 3 coexist in Hardy?
[04:51] <RAOF> Yes
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[04:52] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, whatever was done recently made my "standard" GNOME session work
[04:53] <alex_mayorga> thanks
[04:53] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Ah, with Xgl?  Cool.
[04:53] <alex_mayorga> so I install firefox-3.0 and that's it
[04:53] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Care to check out ~/.xsession-errors, looking for some Xgl debugness?
[04:53] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, sure
[04:54] <RAOF> Indeed.  firefox-3.0 and you're good to go.
[04:56] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, there's a bunch of stuff on my .xsession-errors do you want to take a peak? I really dunno if it's related to video tough
[04:57] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: You could pastebin it.  But I'd only be interested in the top page or so.
[04:57] <alex_mayorga> !pastebin
[04:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:00] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52366/ any user induced breakage you see and is easily fixable I'm all ears :)
[05:01] <alex_mayorga> looks like my keyboard and sound are a bit broken there
[05:02] <RAOF> Thanks.  That looks good to me.
[05:04] <alex_mayorga> How do I remove all those Warning and ALSA lines :S
[05:37] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, any bugs I should report?
[05:59] <RyanPrior> Anybody else have video randomly break in Hardy? My VLC and Totem both started displaying stripy video just now, sound is fine but the video is all vertical stripes.
[06:03] <NoelJB> RyanPrior: which video card & driver?
[06:04] <RyanPrior> NoelJB: fglrx driver with ATI Mobility card.
[06:04] <RyanPrior> NoelJB: the whole rig worked just 10 minutes ago though. It suddenly broke.
[06:06] <NoelJB> wierd.  but wanted to make sure that the config was reported.  it was suggested that you try a reboot and see if that clears it up.  did you?
[06:08] <RyanPrior> Yes, I tried rebooting, and I also tried shutting down the machine, unplugging it, and holding the power button down to discharge the capacitors. Still had no effect.
[06:09] <NoelJB> and nothing would have changed in your configuration?
[06:09] <RyanPrior> It suddenly stopped working while I was browsing the 'net, listening to music, and watching videos.
[06:10] <RyanPrior> I opened the video and there was no sound, so I closed it and opened alsamixer to see if something was muted. Nothing was, so I opened the movie back up and the sound was then good but the picture was bad.
[06:10] <RyanPrior> And now the sound has stayed good but the picture is still bad. And what's wierder is, the exact same thing happens to VLC as well as Totem.
[06:14] <RyanPrior> So, to answer the question directly, I had no configuration tools open, no root access to xorg.conf, nothing out of the ordinary for my computer use.
[06:21] <NoelJB> RyanPrior, wierd.
[06:22] <RyanPrior> I agree. No ideas, I presume?
[06:27] <NoelJB> Nope.  Given that we're talking about Hardy, have you considered a reinstall :-p
[06:29] <RyanPrior> NoelJB: That may end up being necessary. Sucks though.
[06:30] <RyanPrior> NoelJB: I'm sure it will stir up new bugs, on the other hand. I've only reported about two dozen since upgrading to Alpha 3.
[06:30] <NoelJB> RyanPrior, I suppose.  I keep Hardy on a USB drive, and have reinstalled it from scratch (clean reformat) with each alpha drop.
[06:31] <RyanPrior> I've been upgrading going forward, to catch the bugs in forward progress.
[06:31] <NoelJB> RyanPrior, I'm just waiting to see any action on the ones I've reported.  Such as the hotswap bay regression from Gutsy.
[06:31] <RyanPrior> Yeah, my bugs haven't been getting much attention either.
[06:31] <NoelJB> meanwhile, I've got today's updates downloading.  Will take another several hours at the rate this hotel's network serves up.
[06:32] <RyanPrior> That's only until we get the Ubuntu NeuroNet set up.
[06:32] <RyanPrior> Coming in Alpha 4. =P
[06:32]  * RyanPrior can dream
[07:04]  * DanaG is going back to packaged compiz.
[07:06] <mattismyname> Are there any cool features in a build more recent than what's packaged?
[07:07] <DanaG> Hmm, snowglobe and atlantis2 are cool.
[07:07] <DanaG> But it turns out, the new versions seem to be slower on my system.  Way slower.
[07:07] <mattismyname> hmm...that's no good.
[07:10] <mattismyname> I have a weird problem with the packaged build
[07:10] <mattismyname> Menus sort of "flicker" in
[07:10] <mattismyname> Instead of smoothly fading in or whatever they're supposed to do
[07:10] <DanaG> Hmm, try turning off "fade"
[07:10] <mattismyname> I assume it's an nvidia driver issue though
[07:11] <DanaG> (I also set my menus to 'vacuum'.
[07:12] <mattismyname> That got rid of the flicker...nice
[07:13] <mattismyname> I don't see vacuum in my ccsm
[07:13] <DanaG> It'd be there only for 'open' and 'close'.
[07:14] <mattismyname> ahh I see it
[07:18] <DanaG> Oh hey, mattismyname: can you try enabling the 'put' plugin and see if hitting 'super' (just that key and nothing else) makes the window move to the opposite edge of the desktop?
[07:20] <mattismyname> Nope
[07:20] <mattismyname> super isn't bound to any default action
[07:20] <mattismyname> In put
[07:22] <mattismyname> Ok, here's a question, how do I get macos-like expose?  Where it shrinks the windows on the current desktop so all are visible
[07:22] <DanaG> That's 'scale'.
[07:22] <DanaG> I mean, in 'put', super isn't bound to anything, yet it still does something.  Odd.
[07:22] <DanaG> (For 'scale', I use screen corners.)
[07:23] <mattismyname> Got it
[07:23] <mattismyname> That's weird about put.  It doesn't happen for me.  I'm using whatever version is default for hardy
[07:23] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:24] <mattismyname> Ok, this is weird, scale changes the ordering of the windows if I just hit the hot-corner twice in a row.  I wish it would scale back to the window I originally had focused if I don't select a new one.
[07:25] <DanaG> Odd. For me, it un-scales.
[07:25] <mattismyname> Maybe because I have sloppy mouse focus
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh, and "scale additions" and "scale window title focus" are cool.
[07:29] <DanaG> Oh, and 'put' keybindings don't work with numlock on OR off.
[07:30] <DanaG> Well, super-z does, but no others.
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[07:31] <DanaG> And super-KP_5
[07:32] <DanaG> But even binding it to numbers doesn't work.
[07:32] <DanaG> It's like it's being childish and saying,
[07:32] <DanaG> "OOOoh, I got a 'super'.  Yay, move window!"
[07:32] <DanaG> and then stops trying to do anything else.
[07:33] <DanaG> Another odd thing: whether num-lock is on or off, my keypad still gives me numbers.
[07:35] <DanaG> OOh, I see an
[07:35] <DanaG> '
[07:35] <DanaG> OLPC keyboard layout.
[07:41] <DanaG> Yay, I fixified it.
[07:41] <DanaG> It turns out that somehow my keyboard layout was screwing stuff up.
[07:41] <DanaG> It made all numpad keys just be numbers, and somehow ALSO screwed up 'super' for Compiz.
[08:07] <DPic> Will there be some serious performance improvements in Hardy?
[08:09] <RAOF> DPic: No, probably not.
[08:11] <DPic> will that be made a priority for the version after?
[08:18] <DPic> I definitely think it's time for Ubuntu to make performance a high priority. speed, system resource consumption, efficiency, and even minimum disk space required for an  install
[08:50] <pecisk> DPic: as far as I see, last two Ubuntu releases has been tweaked heavily for performance, but it happens per project basis, as it should be
[08:52] <pecisk> and of course, let's keep in mind, how subjective is term "peformance". As long it works acceptble for user - with all features he/she wants - it's ok, imho
[09:03] <pecisk> hmmm, no windows decorations when Compiz is turned off with lastest updates? Anyone seen this?
[09:23] <DanaG> For me, Hardy has had WORSE performance.  It's odd.
[09:23] <DanaG> The new scheduler seems to get bogged down by 'nice' loads too easily.
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[10:36] <alteregolio> high
[10:36] <blkorpheus> u are?
[10:36] <alteregolio> after a update of now i can't use my mouse
[10:36] <alteregolio> i have a logifnord usb mice
[10:37] <hit> lost my media buttons on usb kb
[10:37] <hit> worked after first plug in
[10:37] <blkorpheus>  update without checking what is to be updated
[10:39] <blkorpheus> does the 2.6.24.-4 kernel work yet?
[10:39] <hit> always check but how supposed i know if it will break something
[10:39] <alteregolio> i have problems with my hardware detection
[10:40] <blkorpheus> if it break revert
[10:40] <blkorpheus> but expect breakage
[10:40] <blkorpheus> breakage is to be assumed and expected
[10:40] <blkorpheus> thats how you know
[10:40] <blkorpheus> or read the topic
[10:40] <hit> k
[10:41] <alteregolio> a update is weird
[10:41] <blkorpheus> use a stable release for stability
[10:42] <hit> a stable version is boring, nothing to do there :p
[10:42] <hit> btw any way to debug why system hangs on booting when loading hardware drivers and also some X crashes?
[10:42] <hit> dmesg and Xorg.0.log didn't give anything exciting
[10:43] <blkorpheus> which kernel version?
[10:43] <alteregolio> my mouse is dead
[10:43] <hit> latest kernel
[10:44] <alteregolio> i have 2.6.24-4
[10:44] <alteregolio> it work before the update
[10:45] <blkorpheus> I amm supposed to know which update right?
[10:45] <hit> ah no, 2.6.24-3 here
[10:45] <blkorpheus> you guys need to learn how to ask and answer support questions
[10:46] <blkorpheus> you'd be better off posting in the forums and filing bug reports
[10:47] <hit> well, how can i file a bug when i don't know what is wrong?
[10:48] <blkorpheus> geez, thats the point in filing, so those smartter can determine what the issue could be, and you may find your issue is known, and or resolved with basic reading.
[10:49] <blkorpheus> If this is complicated, DO NOT RUN HARDY
[10:49] <hit> bye
[10:50] <blkorpheus> peace
[10:50] <alteregolio> fnord
[10:51] <alteregolio> is there a way to start xconfig?
[10:52] <blkorpheus> xconfig?
[10:52] <blkorpheus> whats that?
[10:52] <alteregolio> to add a mouse
[10:52] <alteregolio> or something
[10:53] <blkorpheus> lol
[10:53] <blkorpheus> there is no "xconfig"
[10:53] <blkorpheus> do you guys even know what system your running?
[10:53] <alteregolio> and where is the mouse configuration stored?
[10:54] <blkorpheus> read the topic
[10:54] <alteregolio> yeah i run a 4GHz Pentium penryn
[10:54] <blkorpheus> lol
[10:54] <alteregolio> asus p5k with ddr 1066 at 5-5-5-5-15
[10:54] <alteregolio> whatever
[10:55] <alteregolio> core2 penryn or something who cares
[10:55] <blkorpheus> I sure don't if you don't
[10:55] <alteregolio> and this monolithic kernel isn't able to find my mouse
[10:55] <blkorpheus> good luck on getting help when you don't read
[10:56] <alteregolio> maybe linus saw space odyssey 2001
[10:59] <alteregolio> i think i move back to weedian
[11:02] <blkorpheus> whatever
[11:02] <blkorpheus> lol
[11:06] <bardyr> hey
[11:06] <bardyr> !info nvidia-glx-new
[11:06] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.07+2.6.24.4-4.11 (hardy), package size 5660 kB, installed size 16192 kB
[11:07] <hit> argh blkorpheus left
[11:07] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[11:07] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.4.4 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:07] <hit> wanted to ask if he knows one possible reason why my xorg.conf looks like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/30258/
[11:08] <bardyr> hit, because xorg.conf is obsolete
[11:08] <bardyr> hit, hardy is going to make X use auto configuring and have changes in the xorg.conf like keyboard layout, etc
[11:09] <hit> how do i configure X then?
[11:09] <bardyr> hit, xorg.conf
[11:09] <bardyr> they are going to override X's auto configuration
[11:09] <hit> only when i need something special then?
[11:09] <bardyr> yea
[11:09] <hit> ok
[11:11] <alteregolio> section input decice
[11:11] <alteregolio> driver mouse
[11:11] <alteregolio> corepointer blah whaetver
[11:11] <alteregolio> port does not exist
[11:11] <alteregolio> protocol does not exist
[11:11] <alteregolio> whatver
[11:11] <alteregolio> i try to find a xorg backup file
[11:12] <bardyr> alteregolio, xorg.conf.backup ? :)
[11:12] <bardyr> alteregolio, if you used the GUI it normally saves a backup
[11:12] <bardyr> alteregolio, else just use dpkg/X to make a new one
[11:12] <alteregolio> i can't use the gui
[11:13] <alteregolio> the gui is messed up without a mice
[11:13] <alteregolio> what is backslasg
[11:13] <alteregolio> alt+92?
[11:13] <bardyr> idk
[11:14] <erudified> Hi! Anyone know how to get XGL working (with fglrx) ?
[11:14] <bardyr> does anybody have a asus wl-167g or any other rt2500usb wifi device ?
[11:14] <bardyr> erudified, sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[11:15] <alteregolio> no fun dpkg /x doesn't work
[11:15] <erudified> Doesn't work - 0115 version starts on :2 and GNOME kinda doesn't, prior to that I get a gtk+ suid error
[11:15] <bardyr> erudified, why do you need XGL?
[11:15] <erudified> Why does that matter...?
[11:15] <bardyr> AGILX is much better
[11:15] <bardyr> and the new ATI drivers should support it
[11:16] <erudified> They don't work with Xorg 7.3 and they're not in Hardy
[11:16] <bardyr> hmm
[11:17] <bardyr> they do support 7.3 and should be in hardy
[11:17] <bardyr> at least the new cards
[11:18] <alteregolio> ah it worked
[11:18] <alteregolio> now i just modified the xorg.conf with a old xorg conf
[11:18] <erudified> WELL THEN!
[11:18] <erudified> bardyr thanks ;)
[11:30] <bardyr> is there a way to make screen brigtness bottons work, either some hacks or software
[11:31] <bardyr> but i dont want to hack the ACPI DDTD tables or what they are called
[11:39] <hit> hmm, i can define my media keys in keyboard shortcuts conf, but they won't still work, so problem must be in something else?
[11:40] <hit> http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq4Q1Wz0 all right values in here
[11:42] <hit> only key that works, is suspend
[11:42] <hit> which messed up just something so i'll restart X
[11:44] <alteregolio> compiled the kernel against icc now
[11:44] <alteregolio> works better for audio rt
[11:45] <bardyr> alteregolio, you compilled it with the intel compiler?
[11:46] <alteregolio> yeah
[11:46] <bardyr> hmm I didnt know you could do that :D
[11:56] <pbor> hey hey guys.. is there a channel specific to virtualization on ubuntu (I just read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc )
[11:58] <bardyr> pbor, you want to virtualize servers or desktops?
[11:59] <pbor> bardyr: desktop... nothing in particular just trying out kvm/virt-manager on hardy
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[12:36] <e_r_c_e> huh
[12:36] <e_r_c_e> 200 packadges to download
[12:36] <e_r_c_e> huh
[12:37] <IdleOne> 200 packages to download for what?
[12:37] <e_r_c_e> at 4Mb donwload/512 upload it goes 9989Bs
[12:37] <e_r_c_e> now 80Mbs
[12:37] <e_r_c_e> IdleOne: for update
[12:37] <e_r_c_e> sory for hightlight
[12:37] <IdleOne> np
[12:37] <e_r_c_e> :Đ
[12:38] <e_r_c_e> topic is fun
[12:38] <e_r_c_e> if..... do not run haardy
[12:38] <e_r_c_e> **hardy**
[12:38] <e_r_c_e> :P
[12:40] <IdleOne> 1731kB/s
[12:40] <IdleOne> 1773
[12:40] <e_r_c_e> oooh
[12:41] <e_r_c_e> my adsl could run 45-5 Mbs but one idiot run torrent
[12:41] <e_r_c_e> :-@
[12:41] <e_r_c_e> !!
[12:41] <IdleOne> Fetched 153MB in 1min42s (1495kB/s)
[12:41] <e_r_c_e> *4,5Mbs*
[12:41] <IdleOne> that isnt to bad
[12:41] <e_r_c_e> yeah
[12:42] <e_r_c_e> 47/200, 60-80 Kbps
[12:42] <e_r_c_e> only cuz of that stupid idiot
[12:43] <e_r_c_e> wich's comp  is 24/7 online and it has all the speed so i havent anything
[12:43] <e_r_c_e> :@
[12:44] <e_r_c_e> icy  (that'z my gutsyđ internet gateway)	192.168.1.56
[12:44] <e_r_c_e> all others are having later IPs than i
[12:44] <e_r_c_e> and one man wich was tested
[12:52] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 8 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:53] <e_r_c_e> w00t?
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[13:21] <sque> Hi, hardy is gona use the new scheduler that people at kernel trap where speaking for?
[13:21] <e_r_c_e> ewwww.... no?
[13:21] <e_r_c_e> i think so
[13:24] <e_r_c_e> sque: do you have bug with update manager
[13:24] <e_r_c_e> in hardy
[13:32] <sque> e_r_c_e: I haven't installed hardy, I just had a quick view from live cd
[13:33] <e_r_c_e> :)
[13:33] <e_r_c_e> better not install (YET!!)
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[13:44] <se7en> 781 upgraded, 74 newly installed, 67 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 763MB of archives   is that normal for a gutsy to hardy upgrade ???
[13:45] <IdleOne> yes
[13:46] <se7en> hmmmm i guess i don't get that done today ... only 3 hour left
[13:46] <IdleOne> 3 hours for what?
[13:46] <se7en> of today
[13:46] <se7en> :)
[13:46] <IdleOne> lol
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[14:39] <frenkel> anybody here use an rt2500 wireless networkcard?
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[15:59] <cavediver> Hi guys. I have kind of a strange "bug" in Hardy. When connecting to my mac using sshf in nautilus, I have to log in twice before the browsable list appear, and even though I state "save forever", It stills asks for password the next time. Anyona having the same issue ?
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[19:02] <HellMind> My usb mouse stop working how can I track the problem
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[19:15] <pvandewyngaerde> i had kde 3.5.8 , now 3.5.7 is in the update
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[19:30] <HellMind> emerald dies frecuently is there any alternate pkg for that?
[19:30] <HellMind> emerald[6214]: segfault at 00000004 eip b788078d esp bf93a4e0 error 4
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[20:48] <annoia> I've bought an AMD Phenom 9500, which is supposed to run at 2.2Ghz per core. However, in Ubuntu (whichever) it is rated at 1.8... The BIOS claims it's running at 2.2.
[20:48] <annoia> Any thoughts?
[21:56] <tretle> right I have sorta a strange problem
[21:57] <tretle> update manager opens but when it checks for new updates it crashes
[21:57] <tretle> well gets cought in a loop
[21:57] <tretle> and I cant open synaptic at all
[21:57] <tretle> or sources
[21:59] <geser> tretle: have you tried updating with apt-get in a terminal?
[22:00] <tretle> now oi just figured out that it wont let me log in as root
[22:00] <tretle> ubable to resolve host
[22:00] <tretle> anaub;e
[22:00] <tretle> unable
[22:02] <tretle> hmmmm.... kung po chicken is calling me.... brb
[22:15] <tretle> yeah
[22:15] <tretle> back
[22:15] <tretle> unable to resolve host users-desktop
[22:15] <tretle> whenever i try and open anything as root?
[22:26] <buks> kubuntu alternate install (daily 18 Jan) installation is not working on my laptop
[22:28] <buks> is this the right forum to be talking about issues with hardy before logging a bug on launchpad?
[22:31] <buks> hello, anybody home?
[22:50] <tretle> nope
[23:01] <muesli_> hardy's qt4-sql module doesn't seem to contain sqlite support. could i be wrong? :)
[23:06] <tretle> if its any help this problem started when i changed the domain name
[23:07] <tretle> when i look in the /etc/hosts it shows users-desktop.workgroup
[23:07] <tretle> and when i try and log in as root it says unable to resolve hosts users-desktop
[23:07] <tretle> brb
[23:12] <tretle> right
[23:12] <tretle> I cant change the domain anymore
[23:13] <tretle> its stuck at WORGROUP
[23:13] <tretle> *WORKGROUP
[23:13] <tretle> any ideas?
[23:15] <alteregolio>  i need a moebius gearbox for my fnordocycle
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[23:35] <askand> What gnome version will be in Hardy?
[23:36] <andi5> askand: i guess 2.22.0 or some bugfix releases thereof