2008/01/13/#xubuntu.txt

[00:01] <maristo> hello
[00:01] <maristo> !video
[00:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:50] <Pensador> Good evening
[01:50] <j1mc> hi Pensador
[01:51] <Pensador> I'm using Xfce with Compiz + Emerald enabled. Some minutes ago my Xfce Terminal started showing with no window borders. Does anybody here have a similar experience?
[01:51] <Pensador> or an idea that might help me?
[01:51] <somerville32> Pensador, it means that emerald crashed
[01:51] <somerville32> press alt+f2
[01:52] <somerville32> and then type: compiz --replace
[01:52] <somerville32> and like okay
[01:52] <Pensador> somerville32: all the other apps display their emerald borders
[01:52] <somerville32> restart your terminal then :P
[01:52] <Pensador> I did that...
[01:52] <Pensador> I even restarted the whole machine
[01:53] <somerville32> Weird.
[01:53] <somerville32> File a bug, SVP :]
[01:53] <Pensador> ok...
[01:57] <Pensador> ok, so I basically deleted the folder about Xfce-Terminal in my home folder
[01:58] <Pensador> and now it's working fine
[01:59] <Pensador> Thanks anyway
[02:10] <atarinox> can somebody tell me are some of the xubuntu themes faster than others?
[02:10] <atarinox> and if so, which ones are on the lighter side
[02:12] <somerville32> Isn't there one called "basic"?
[02:12] <somerville32> :]
[02:22] <slang23> can anyone in here help me?
[02:25] <cak> hello guys
[02:25] <somerville32> hi
[02:25] <cak> somerville boston ? :)
[02:27] <defendguin> i have been looking for a way to get windows to no redraw while being moved and resized how can i do that?
[02:27] <defendguin> not redraw*
[02:27] <cak> anybody knows where to turn off update notifier?
[02:27] <defendguin> i didn't see it as an option in the window manager tweaks preferences app
[02:29] <soldats> cak, it may be in the startup apps
[02:29] <cak> yep it is but it won't let me to remove it and unchecking it doesn't help
[02:30] <cak> it won't let me remove nm-applet either
[02:31] <defendguin> i removed nm-applet a little while ago and it worked
[02:31] <cak> didn't work for me i had to uninstall it
[02:32] <j1mc> hi cak ... yeah, you can just uninstall if you want.
[02:32] <cak> i mean i didn't like nm all together :)
[02:32] <j1mc> apt-get remove network-manager-gnome --purge
[02:33] <cak> j1mc i'm looking to remove update-notifier
[02:33] <cak> and i'd rather find a way to remove it from startup
[02:33] <cak> can i do it from term?
[02:33] <cak> what file do i have to edit?
[02:34] <cak> i'm new to ubuntu
[02:34] <cak> i've had mandriva for 6 years
[02:36] <cak> anybody have better ideas then removing it?
[02:37] <soldats> removing it should be fine just do a cli update once a week
[02:38] <cak> ok
[02:39] <cak> thnx
[02:39] <j1mc> yes, just once a week or so do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[02:39] <j1mc> you do not necessarily need the update manager
[02:40] <cak> i don't even want to update every week :)
[02:40] <cak> my policy if it's not broken don't fix it ;)
[02:40] <j1mc> cak: well, it is good to get bugfixes, don't you think?
[02:41] <cak> i don't c bugs too often
[02:41] <j1mc> entering that command won't upgrade you to a newer release - it will just give you package updates - bugfixes and the like
[02:41] <cak> :) and i don't have anything to be secured either
[02:41] <cak> i know
[02:41] <j1mc> ok... :)  it's your choice.
[02:42] <soldats> cak, youll be fine then i havent updated in like 7 months
[02:42] <cak> i update once in a while
[02:42] <cak> sometimes updated srew u up more then oldies :)
[02:42] <cak> updates :)
[02:43] <soldats> its never messed anything up for me but im just lazy
[02:43] <defendguin> i'm running xubuntu on a 150 mhz processor and its useable :-D
[02:43] <cak> soldats i had problem once with new release of rpm on FC
[02:44] <j1mc> defendguin: yeay!
[02:44] <cak> so i rather don't fix anything untill it brakes or until i need something new :)
[02:44] <soldats> ahh, well i hope you dont have problem hence forth
[02:45] <cak> 150 !!! where did u find it ? :)
[02:45] <cak> soldats r u russian ??
[02:46] <soldats> no
[02:46] <soldats> i like the word is all
[02:47] <cak> soldats is russian for solgers
[02:47] <cak> :)
[02:47] <soldats> also french and german
[02:48] <cak> oh
[02:48] <cak> i thought in german it's with z :) or at least it sounds like it :)
[02:48] <cak> zoldaten und oficiren :)
[02:49] <cak> so why everybody love xubuntu?
[02:49] <soldats> all mean realtively the same, but i first learnt it as the french word
[02:49] <cak> i'm just testing it
[02:49] <cak> soldats ok
[02:49] <soldats> its fast with older machines because xfce is smaller and faster IMO
[02:50] <cak> but xfce available in other distroes too isn't it?
[02:50] <cak> i definitely love xfce
[02:51] <cak> but have  to tell wasn't impressed with gui configuration of ubuntu or xubuntu
[02:51] <soldats> yes it is but the xubuntu part of ubuntu is stock with a smaller (xfce) wm rather than the gnome
[02:52] <cak> that i  know
[02:52] <cak> did u tried any other distroes?
[02:53] <cak> did u try
[02:53] <cak> sorry for my english :)
[02:54] <soldats> i like gentoo but updating and compiling takes too long for me but it was really nice. i have a slow box too
[02:54] <soldats> im about to install arch or gentoo again on another hdd in a bit
[02:54] <cak> i didn't try too many but out of ubuntu FC, Suse, Mepis and Mandriva i love mandriva the most
[02:55] <cak> i heard about arch but never tryed it
[02:55] <cak> it's slax based isn't it?
[02:56] <soldats> yea its most like it but better IMO
[02:56] <cak> i guess i have to try it
[02:57] <cak> but so far Mandriva was the fastest and easiest to configure
[02:58] <cak> the only thing i don't like about mandriva they try to restrict proprietiry drivers etc
[02:58] <cak> i mean u have to get it from PLF
[02:59] <soldats> ahh
[03:00] <soldats> havent tried it yet, seems a hassle to do it that way
[03:00] <cak> but drakconf is incredible
[03:01] <cak> anyway i maybe in wrong place to prise mandriva :)))
[03:01] <cak> what i was trying to say would be nice to have configuration tools on ubuntu
[03:02] <cak> similar configuration tools
[03:02] <soldats> ahh, i think an opinion is credible though
[03:04] <cak> urpmi in mandriva workes about same way as apt and plf repos can be set so u don't miss anything
[03:04] <soldats> thats cool
[03:05] <soldats> might give it a go sometime
[03:05] <cak> try it i'd love to hear your opinion
[03:06] <soldats> it may take a while, i need money to get some blank cds
[03:06] <cak> they finally added xfce to it :)
[03:06] <soldats> ahh rad, ill deffinitely look for you when i try it
[03:06] <cak> comon whole installation can be thru network
[03:06] <cak> u can do it from floppy
[03:07] <soldats> i threw away my floppy drive
[03:07] <cak> lol
[03:07] <cak> me too :)
[03:07] <cak> don't u have one cdrw ?:)
[03:07] <soldats> i never used it, i tried installing debian via floppy but it wouldnt recognize my ethernet card so i got pissed
[03:08] <soldats> no
[03:08] <soldats> my roommate does but he does a lot of band recording so he ran out of cds
[03:08] <cak> i did it quite few times from cd though
[03:08] <cak> i mean u just make bootable cd from floppy img
[03:09] <soldats> but i need the cdr's though forst
[03:09] <soldats> first
[03:10] <soldats> i have about 10 hdds so i could have a bunch of distros on each for their own testing, but gotta get cds
[03:11] <cak> ok
[03:11] <cak> ok gotta go now
[03:11] <cak> c u later
[03:12] <soldats> bye
[03:35] <AKWIN> hello
[06:11] <Caithness> anybody here?
[06:11] <Caithness> i just installed windows xp on a separate partition from xubuntu, and i need to somehow re-install GRUB
[06:12] <Caithness> is there any way to do that without re-installing all of xubuntu?
[06:27] <AKWIN> i was wondiering what xubuntu was for...
[06:27] <Caithness> hmm, there's some sort of bootloader on there now, but it doesn't point to the existing install
[06:27] <Caithness> i think it points to the live cd
[06:27] <Caithness> and it's not GRUB
[06:27] <Caithness> looks like the one that came up when i had the gateway drivers cd in when i started the computer
[06:28] <AKWIN> It could have installed it's own bootloader
[06:28] <Caithness> AKWIN: xubuntu is intended to be less resource-intensive, for older computers
[06:28] <AKWIN> so what's the most resource-intensive?
[06:28] <AKWIN> ubuntu?
[06:29] <Caithness> Kubuntu
[06:29] <Caithness> ubunto is in the middle
[06:29] <AKWIN> so the one that will run on my old AST computer is xubuntu?
[06:29] <AKWIN> it has a 1.89GB HDD and 16MB Memory
[06:31] <AKWIN> How much free space does it require
[06:32] <Caithness> xubuntu requires at least 2gb for the root partition plus a 256mb swap partition
[06:32] <Caithness> so it sounds like that AST won't work
[06:32] <AKWIN> :<
[06:33] <AKWIN> are there any smaller linuxes?
[06:34] <AKWIN> why is it called a tarball? it sounds dirty
[06:36] <Caithness> i think because it sticks files together
[06:36] <Caithness> there are definitely smaller versions of linux
[06:37] <AKWIN> what's the very smallest?
[06:37] <Caithness> unfortunately, ubuntu is the easiest to learn
[06:37] <Caithness> i don't know
[06:37] <Caithness> there's one called Damn Small Linux
[06:37] <AKWIN> DSL is small, but is there smaller?
[06:37] <AKWIN> yea
[06:37] <Caithness> but those are not meant as desktop OSes
[06:37] <Caithness> they're for servers and such
[06:37] <AKWIN> server?
[06:37] <AKWIN> yea
[06:38] <AKWIN> that's what I need
[06:39] <Caithness> i remember in 2002 i tried to use coyote linux to turn an old computer into a firewall/router
[06:39] <AKWIN> the computer it'self?
[06:39] <Caithness> but i didn't know enough at that time to be successful
[06:39] <Caithness> yes
[06:39] <AKWIN> i know most of the command line functions
[06:41] <Caithness> you might be able to fit debian onto that machine
[06:42] <AKWIN> where do I get debian?
[06:50] <Caithness> debian.org?
[06:50] <Caithness> okay, i found a forum post for how to solve my problem
[06:50] <Caithness> good night
[07:15] <ere4si> thunar keeps closing staight after opening and there's nothing in the logs - how can I get it to open at first selection?
[07:32] <Lartza_> why my programs arent showing on up panel anymore?
[07:32] <Lartza_> like pidgin
[07:49] <ere4si> Lartza_ : tried right clicking the panel and reinstalling them to it - an update can sometimes fowl things up :)
[07:53] <Lartza8> ere4si: i mean when some programs are running their icons show up on panel like pidgin and limewire, but they don't anymore
[07:53] <Lartza8> when you close pidgin from cross it still stays on up panel
[07:54] <ere4si> Lartza8, did you recently update or upgrade?
[07:54] <Lartza8> update to 7.10? or what?
[07:57] <ere4si> I don't know - have found that updates and upgrades screw with settings so that is my first question - did you update or upgrade?
[07:59] <Lartza8> i got updates to some games, but that shouldnt change anything
[10:48] <boguh> hi, when i install xubuntu, can i stell install gnome to get an ubuntu?
[10:55] <gabkdlly> boguh: sure can. In a Terminal execute "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop"
[10:56] <boguh> ah nice, so ill give it a try
[10:56] <gabkdlly> I recommend aptitude to do this, because aptitude keeps track of which what packages get pulled in as dependencies, meaning that if you want to later uninstall gnome completely, all you have to do is "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop"
[11:57] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: you can do the same with apt-get/synaptics
[11:57] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: with 'autoremove'
[11:58] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: of course, aptitude can't uninstall things installed with apt-get and apt-get can't do it with things installed with aptitude
[11:58] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: so it's bad to mix them
[12:00] <gabkdlly> oh ok, thanks
[12:07] <homebrewcider> anybody help me delete stuff from my usb flash drive using xubuntu? doesn't seem to want to delete
[12:07] <homebrewcider> please
[12:07] <homebrewcider> of course
[12:08] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: what's the error message?
[12:09] <homebrewcider> checking again
[12:11] <homebrewcider> it creates a trash folder and the deleted file goes into there
[12:11] <homebrewcider> still taking up space
[12:11] <TheSheep> hold shift while clicking on delete
[12:12] <homebrewcider> brilliant
[12:12] <homebrewcider> thanks
[12:12] <homebrewcider> legend
[12:12] <homebrewcider> so simple
[12:14] <homebrewcider> thanks sheep
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[15:57] <zappZapp> ahoi folks
[15:57] <zappZapp> is it okay to ask questions regarding a sound issue i can't solve 'cause i'm quite new to linux and xubuntu?
[15:59] <TheSheep> yes
[16:02] <zappZapp> cool, i've xubuntu 7.04 installed on a rather old laptop (650mhz, 128ram) works fine i just can't get the soundcard to work. it just does an ugly noise. i dont know how i can find out which sound card i'm using and which drivers have been loaded for it, guess that would be the point to start at.
[16:04] <TheSheep> lspci will tell you what soundcard you have
[16:05] <zappZapp> cheers, is says:  Avance Logic Inc. ALS300+ PCI Audio Device
[16:06] <TheSheep> hmm, next step would be to search the forums.ubuntu.com and bugs.ubuntu.com for this particular soundcard and see if anybody had a similar problem
[16:07] <zappZapp> okay doing so right now
[16:18] <zappZapp> seems that the ALS300+ driver has been reverse engineered from the ALS300 chip driver. it's been recommendet to install alsa-driver 1.014, tried apt-get install alsa, but it tells me that i already got the newest version. my version is 1.013
[16:20] <TheSheep> zappZapp: hardy has 1.0.15
[16:20] <TheSheep> zappZapp: but it's still 3 months to release
[16:24] <zappZapp> so u recommend to install the 1.015 version or try the 1.014?
[16:29] <TheSheep> zappZapp: where would you get the 1.0.14?
[16:29] <[-_-]zzZZ> hello
[16:29] <zappZapp> alsa project page?
[16:31] <TheSheep> zappZapp: then you would have to compile it yourself
[16:32] <TheSheep> zappZapp: and install in a way that would make it hard to upgrade later
[16:33] <zappZapp> mhm, okay so i 'm stuck with 1.013 for now?
[16:33] <TheSheep> zappZapp: unless you feel like compiling or installing it from hardy
[16:33] <TheSheep> zappZapp: I think the latter would be easier
[16:34] <zappZapp> hardy?
[16:36] <TheSheep> !hardy
[16:36] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[16:36] <TheSheep> zappZapp: but I'm really not sure what to recommend
[16:37] <TheSheep> zappZapp: you could just add the hardy repos, and install the alsa and packages required by it, then remove the hardy repos from the list -- you would end up with system that's mostly feisty, but has some parts from hardy, which doesn't sound too good
[16:38] <TheSheep> zappZapp: you could try to upgrade your whole system to Hardy, which sounds a little better, but hardy is still not finished completely, so there might be some things that don't work
[16:40] <TheSheep> zappZapp: or you could actually try and build the newer alsa driver yourself and install it over your current alsa, but that's not so simple and also leaves you with some parts of the system not coming from the official repositories
[16:40] <TheSheep> zappZapp: honestly, I shouldn't recommend any of these solutions
[16:40] <zappZapp> theSheep: will take that as a last resort, going to search google and forums ...
[16:55] <zappZapp> theSheep: hmm, tried lspci -v | grep -A 5 Audio and got this:
[16:55] <zappZapp> 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Avance Logic Inc. ALS300+ PCI Audio Device
[16:55] <zappZapp>         Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer Unknown device 0320
[16:55] <zappZapp>         Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 255
[16:55] <zappZapp>         I/O ports at 1080 [disabled] [size=128]
[16:55] <zappZapp>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[16:56] <zappZapp> theSheep: i'm concerned about Capabilities <acces denied> and I/P ports at 1080 [ disabled ]
[16:57] <TheSheep> zappZapp: try it with sudo
[16:58] <zappZapp> theSheep: still says I/O ports at 1080 disabled
[17:00] <TheSheep> no idea what that means
[17:02] <zappZapp> theSheep: i forgott the command for volume controll via console is coming from, i think i muted the sound in this way cause it was making anoying noises.  [ think that's where the [disabled is coming from]
[17:03] <TheSheep> zappZapp: you can run alsamixer
[17:03] <TheSheep> zappZapp: and unmute it
[17:04] <zappZapp> theSheep: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device. that's weird now
[17:06] <zappZapp> theSheep: i'll try to use the alsa 1.0.15 from hardy and see what happens ...
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[17:47] <nanonyme> *applaud*
[17:48] <zappZap1> theSheep: sorry, i cant find the link to the hardy repos, found cd images but that's not what i was looking for, or was it?
[17:52] <TheSheep> zappZap1: no, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.lst as root, copy the line for the maion feisty repository, and replace the wrod 'feisty' with 'hardy' in it
[17:52] <zappZap1> theSheep: ah cheers
[18:03] <zappZap1> theSheep: do i need to reload something in order to make this work? still getting the message that alsa would be the newest version
[18:04] <[-_-]zzZZ> has anyone used irssa
[18:04] <[-_-]zzZZ> comments
[18:05] <thruxton> [-_-]zzZZ: do you mean irssi?
[18:05] <[-_-]zzZZ> yeah
[18:05] <[-_-]zzZZ> lol
[18:05] <TheSheep> zappZap1: yes, you need to do 'sudo apt-get update
[18:05] <King> hello...
[18:05] <[-_-]zzZZ> hello
[18:06] <King> i am new to linux and would like for someone to tell me why I cant connect to the internet on xubuntu.....
[18:06] <[-_-]zzZZ> how are you using irc
[18:06] <[-_-]zzZZ> ?
[18:07] <King> I am using right now Windows XP
[18:07] <[-_-]zzZZ> oh
[18:07] <[-_-]zzZZ> what xubuntu you using
[18:07] <King> 7.10
[18:07] <thruxton> King: ethernet, wireless? router? what is your setup?
[18:07] <[-_-]zzZZ> well it should auto detect in 7
[18:08] <march> cu
[18:11] <King> ummm...........Not sure what u mean we have a modem, its connected to a router, which is connected to three PCs...........
[18:11] <thruxton> King: ok, first you need to know if xubuntu has detected and loaded the correct driver for your hardware
[18:11] <King> how am I suppose to do that?
[18:12] <thruxton> one way, type in a terminal: sudo lshw -short | grep network
[18:12] <thruxton> that will tell you what the hardware is called, then you can find out what driver is needed
[18:13] <King> ok...
[18:14] <[-_-]zzZZ> king i dont think its that complicated
[18:18] <soulroot> hello =) =) =) !!!
[18:18] <soulroot> 1st day xubuntu!! changing from xp!
[18:19] <thruxton> congratulations
[18:19] <[-_-]zzZZ> congrats
[18:19] <soulroot> Thanks!
[18:19] <[-_-]zzZZ> its my second day
[18:19] <soulroot> no knowhow yet for much of anything, took me an hr to get onto this irc
[18:19] <soulroot> congrats!
[18:20] <[-_-]zzZZ> what are you using?
[18:20] <soulroot> xubuntu 7.10 in progress, still hung up on no internet so i am on xp right now
[18:20] <soulroot> u?
[18:21] <[-_-]zzZZ> pardon my lack of detail...what are you using for irc?
[18:21] <soulroot> =)pidgin through freenode
[18:21] <soulroot> er.. vice versa
[18:21] <[-_-]zzZZ> pidgin is that a terminal irc client
[18:22] <chirva> I'm using Gutsy and have a Radeon 9200SE with the open-source ati driver but compositing in xfwm is really slow
[18:22] <chirva> compiz was pretty fast on Gnome and in glxgears i get about 1000 fps
[18:22] <soulroot> gui it's gaim's newest incarnation
[18:22] <King> hello again....
[18:22] <[-_-]zzZZ> really can you xdcc with pidgin
[18:22] <[-_-]zzZZ> king
[18:22] <[-_-]zzZZ> king:got into system > networking>choose one of the connections that best represent your configuration listed(at least thats what i had to do) and click the propeties button>activate the connection and switch configruation to dhcp > click the ok button....presto, internet connection
[18:23] <soulroot> i'm not sure what xdcc is
[18:23] <[-_-]zzZZ> file transfering
[18:23] <soulroot> ah
[18:23] <soulroot> i believe so, i could with aim
[18:23] <soulroot> gaim
[18:23] <soulroot> it supports multiple accounts
[18:24] <soulroot> yahoo icq, etc
[18:24] <[-_-]zzZZ> really ... with /msg commands
[18:24] <[-_-]zzZZ> ?
[18:24] <King> ok
[18:24] <soulroot> u can def send/receive files
[18:24] <soulroot> not sure about command lining it
[18:24] <[-_-]zzZZ> lol
[18:24] <soulroot> it's very picture friendly
[18:25] <soulroot> all i do is point and click ;)
[18:25] <[-_-]zzZZ> lol
[18:25] <soulroot> what're you using?
[18:25] <[-_-]zzZZ> im using gaim but it does not support xdcc
[18:25] <[-_-]zzZZ> so im giong to use irssi instead
[18:25] <[-_-]zzZZ> terminal based irc client
[18:25] <soulroot> i heard of it
[18:25] <soulroot> in my search
[18:26] <soulroot> xchat is the pushed one
[18:26] <soulroot> i chose a familiar format, gaim to pidgin is just an update i think might be easier
[18:26] <soulroot> same prog
[18:26] <soulroot> nice purple bird and everything
[18:26] <[-_-]zzZZ> stick to whatever suits your needs
[18:26] <[-_-]zzZZ> hahahahahaha
[18:27] <soulroot> hah
[18:27] <soulroot> u're a Xubuntu runner?
[18:27] <[-_-]zzZZ> yep
[18:27] <soulroot> yeah, wasn't clear earlier
[18:27] <[-_-]zzZZ> 6.006
[18:27] <[-_-]zzZZ> er.. remove a zero
[18:27] <[-_-]zzZZ> ;/
[18:27] <soulroot> i tried the yahoo chat last night until like 5:30 am, not much help in the xu dep
[18:27] <soulroot> hah
[18:28] <soulroot> "linux"
[18:28] <[-_-]zzZZ> google is your best bet
[18:28] <soulroot> google has a chat?
[18:29] <[-_-]zzZZ> no... the search enginen ..., <.<
[18:29] <soulroot> some creepo has my sn as their gmail in like russia
[18:29] <soulroot> oh hah
[18:29] <soulroot> hah
[18:29] <soulroot> yeah def
[18:29]  * [-_-]zzZZ offers starbucks
[18:29] <[-_-]zzZZ> ;)
[18:29] <soulroot> Rao's in my cup
[18:30] <[-_-]zzZZ> rao?
[18:30]  * [-_-]zzZZ confused
[18:30] <soulroot> fo sho, it's a great coffee shop in my area
[18:30] <soulroot> 01002
[18:30] <soulroot> also valley Roasters near the music shop i work at
[18:30] <soulroot> "work" ;)
[18:31] <[-_-]zzZZ> with that zip code are you in one of the founding states of america?
[18:31] <soulroot> $60/month coffee habit in the heartland Massachusetts
[18:31] <soulroot> and yes
[18:32] <soulroot> =)
[18:32] <soulroot> u?
[18:32] <[-_-]zzZZ> arizona
[18:32] <[-_-]zzZZ> valley of the furnance
[18:32] <soulroot> right on!
[18:32] <soulroot> wow
[18:32] <soulroot> i'm going to san diego feb 5-19
[18:32] <soulroot> one of my friends lived out there for a while
[18:32] <[-_-]zzZZ> but your winter jackets are worthless in ma
[18:33] <[-_-]zzZZ> oh really
[18:33] <[-_-]zzZZ> thats cool
[18:33] <soulroot> it's ok today actually, usually i have a coat and 2 hoodies
[18:33] <soulroot> hat
[18:33] <soulroot> 2 pants
[18:33] <[-_-]zzZZ> your ready to find the sasquash
[18:33] <soulroot> gloves, goggles, space heater with lawnmower engine pull start backpack
[18:33] <soulroot> ;)
[18:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> pull start backpack though....<.<
[18:34] <soulroot> sasquatch...do they live @ joshua tree?
[18:34] <soulroot> haha
[18:36] <[-_-]zzZZ> please keep comical references general please......
[18:36] <[-_-]zzZZ> whoa that was uncalled for...pardon me
[18:36] <soulroot> forgotten
[18:36] <soulroot> i go off on tangents
[18:37] <soulroot> actually back to xubuntu
[18:37] <soulroot> i can't get online!
[18:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> got into system > networking>choose one of the connections that best represent your configuration listed(at least thats what i had to do) and click the propeties button>activate the connection and switch configruation to dhcp > click the ok button....presto, internet connection
[18:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> try that
[18:37] <soulroot> tried it
[18:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> oh
[18:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> hmmm
[18:37] <soulroot> actually when i configure manually i lose my blue bars
[18:37] <soulroot> in the netman
[18:38] <soulroot> goes back to computer icon
[18:38] <soulroot> when i leave it in roam
[18:38] <soulroot> tho
[18:38] <soulroot> networks show up
[18:38] <[-_-]zzZZ> leave what in a room
[18:38] <soulroot> no, leave the config for wireless on "roam"
[18:39] <soulroot> then i at least get to see the networks and get blue reception bars
[18:39] <King> hmmmmm
[18:40] <[-_-]zzZZ> i haven't experimented with wireless
[18:40] <soulroot> however my passphrase pops up once a minute but never goes online once filled corretly
[18:40] <soulroot> ah
[18:40] <[-_-]zzZZ> what is it king
[18:40] <[-_-]zzZZ> didnt work
[18:40] <[-_-]zzZZ> ?
[18:40] <King> still doesnt work
[18:41] <King> anything else that I can try?
[18:41] <King>  
[18:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> you cant use dhcp
[18:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> you have a router
[18:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> i forgot
[18:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> you have to use the ip address for the router
[18:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> i believe
[18:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> because you are connected to the router that is connected to the internet
[18:44] <zappZap1> theSheep: update worked fine, but sudo apt-get install alsa still telling me that it's the up to date version
[18:44] <King> how to find out its ip address?
[18:44] <[-_-]zzZZ> i think you have to configure the gateway address and the ip of the router
[18:44] <[-_-]zzZZ> gateway address=router ip
[18:45] <[-_-]zzZZ> and then i believe you get an ip address that the web sees
[18:45] <[-_-]zzZZ> yeah that makes sense
[18:45] <King> ok...
[18:45] <[-_-]zzZZ> anyone here with other insights
[18:45] <[-_-]zzZZ> ?
[18:45] <zappZap1> zzZZ: what u want to do?
[18:46] <[-_-]zzZZ> i wanted to configure internet connections through a router
[18:47] <[-_-]zzZZ> you would have to use static ip in the configuration and set the gateway address as the ip of the router right
[18:47] <zappZap1> zzZZ: for a prog or ur computer?
[18:47] <[-_-]zzZZ> computer
[18:47] <thruxton> the router usually assigns ips via dhcp
[18:47] <zappZap1> zzZZ: if ur router gives ip address autmaticly ( think it's called dhcp ) use sudo dhclient
[18:48] <[-_-]zzZZ> i know but the computer has to connect to the router and the router connects to the internet
[18:48] <thruxton> we still dont know if king's network card even has the right driver
[18:48] <[-_-]zzZZ> i dont think its a driver issue
[18:49] <zappZap1> zzZZ: try ping 127.0.0.1
[18:49] <[-_-]zzZZ> no ... i dont need help
[18:49] <thruxton> i appreciate that he's new to linux, but `dosent work' isn't really that much to go on
[18:49] <[-_-]zzZZ> king does
[18:49] <[-_-]zzZZ> when he comes back
[18:49] <zappZap1> zzZZ: okay sorry
[18:49] <[-_-]zzZZ> he's trying to set the gateway address
[18:50] <[-_-]zzZZ> no need to apologize friend
[18:50] <[-_-]zzZZ> ;)
[18:50] <zappZap1> zzZZ: hehe
[18:50] <TheSheep> zappZap1: it probably can't install the newer version because it depends on too many new packages
[18:50] <[-_-]zzZZ> what is a nice fast mp3 player
[18:51] <[-_-]zzZZ> yeah i had to use 6.06 because 7.10 is defacto unstable
[18:51] <[-_-]zzZZ> i mean my terminal wouldn't work
[18:52] <zappZap1> TheSheep: i don't get any error messages in this way just a message telling me alsa is up-to-date, which it is not.  trying to build from source next ..
[18:52] <soulroot> sorry, does anyone think they could shed light on a wireless problem?
[18:52] <[-_-]zzZZ> and i google searched and its a real problem with no answers
[18:52] <zappZap1> zzZZ: dunno got no sound ;). did king say if he's got access to the router?
[18:53] <[-_-]zzZZ> yeah its part of his home network i believe
[18:53] <[-_-]zzZZ> has other computers to play on
[18:53] <[-_-]zzZZ> hold o i want to restart real quit
[18:54] <[-_-]zzZZ> brb
[18:54] <soulroot> wireless issue?
[18:54] <zappZap1> soulroot: not sure, i'm quite new to linux but had to build my drivers from source ...
[18:54] <soulroot> absolute beginner, has functioning driver/modem
[18:55] <soulroot> 3934 or something
[18:56] <soulroot> so many restarts
[18:56] <soulroot> i can browse networks
[18:56] <soulroot> find mine, enter passphrase and it gives me blue bars
[18:56] <soulroot> but no internet or ip's issued
[18:57] <soulroot> running off dvd, did disk check and it's aok
[18:57] <soulroot> dunno if it makes a difference but it's wireless dsl
[18:58] <zappZap1> soulroot: don't know what u mean with blue bars. but if u connect to the internet via a router which issues ip to clients (dhcp) try sudo dhclient on a terminal
[18:58] <thebox> hello
=== thebox is now known as [-_-]zzZZ
[18:58] <soulroot> thanks zapp, it lists eth0 and eth1 (eth1 is the wireless)
[18:59] <soulroot> blue bars appear in the network manager on the top right much like on a cellphone for reception
[19:00] <zappZap1> soulroot: did dhclient issued u an ip adress?
[19:01] <soulroot> i don't think so, but that was 5:30am and i just remember trying to get internet up by terminal alone and no results. i'll give it a try
[19:01] <soulroot> brb
[19:01] <[-_-]zzZZ> brb
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> awesome
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> okay
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> so this is irssa
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> er...irssi
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> well folks please help king out
[19:02] <zappZap1> zzZZ: king still around?
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> and soulroot too
[19:02] <[-_-]zzZZ> now he will be back
[19:03] <[-_-]zzZZ> hes is trying to configure the gateway address
[19:03] <zappZap1> zzZZ: well if he's got other puter he could use ifconfig on linux or ipconfig on win
[19:03] <[-_-]zzZZ> yeah
[19:03] <[-_-]zzZZ> let him know that ... well im off
[19:03] <[-_-]zzZZ> good day folks
[19:03] <zappZap1> bye
[19:03] <[-_-]zzZZ> ;)
[19:09] <zappZap1> theSheep: was about to remove the old alsa drivers via synaptic but got the message that the packages ubunut-minimal has to be removed aswell, i didn't like that msg too much ...
[19:09] <TheSheep> zappZap1: it's just an empty meta-package that depends on some other packages
[19:09] <TheSheep> zappZap1: for easy installation of groups of packages
[19:10] <zappZap1> theSheep: hmm, so it's not a bad thing to remove?
[19:10] <TheSheep> zappZap1: no, as long as you don't do an 'autoremove' aterwards
[19:11] <TheSheep> zappZap1: that command will try to remove all packages that were 'pulled in' as a dependency and are no longer needed
[19:13] <zappZap1> theSheep: okay, that's good to know, removing the old alsa-base now and then trying to build from src
[19:13] <KingAres> hello
[19:14] <zappZap1> king: hoi king, heard about ur prob. do u got acess to another computer in the same network which has internet acess?
[19:14] <KingAres> ummm......yeah
[19:15] <KingAres> ...
[19:15] <zappZap1> king: if it's win, go to start->exec and enter cmd (  for win2k, xp ), command for win98
[19:15] <zappZap1> king: and then enter ipconfig
[19:16] <KingAres> what to do after that?
[19:18] <zappZap1> king: it will print out a list with the ip adress of the network cards plus their gateways ( if they have one ), use the gateway adress given on your computer
[19:18] <KingAres> the default gateway................
[19:19] <zappZap1> king: jup
[19:19] <KingAres> and do what with it exactly?
[19:19] <zappZap1> king: that should be the gateway adress u have been looking for
[19:20] <KingAres> ok...
[19:32] <KingAres> didnt work......
[19:33] <KingAres> am I doing something wrong?
[19:33] <zappZap1> king: can u ping other puter in ur network?
[19:33] <zappZap1> king: or can u ping ur router?
[19:33] <KingAres> ummm.........I dont know how to do that....
[19:34] <zappZap1> king: no worries, open a terminal, and enter ping ip adress
[19:34] <KingAres> ping ip address
[19:35] <KingAres> type it just like that?
[19:35] <zappZap1> king: ping <your gateways ip here>
[19:35] <KingAres> oh
[19:35] <KingAres> ok
[19:35] <soulroot> hey again, i tried sudo dhclient and it tried a few tries but returned nothing and then said "sleeping" or some such thing wasn't sure if that was a result of the sudo command or what
[19:36] <soulroot> also my "roaming" option for wireless was gone...o.0
[19:36] <KingAres> I'll be back
[19:37] <zappZap1> soulroot: was result of dhclient. have u connect to the network?
[19:37] <soulroot> any ideas zapp maybe?
[19:37] <soulroot> no, it returned nothing
[19:37] <soulroot> a few tries on diferent rates
[19:37] <soulroot> then gave up
[19:37] <zappZap1> soulroot: hmm, okay open a terminal and enter iwconfig
[19:38] <soulroot> now i am back on xp
[19:38] <zappZap1> ah okay
[19:38] <zappZap1> wireless works fine there?
[19:38] <soulroot> i know tht i am using eth1, my wireless
[19:38] <soulroot> yes
[19:38] <soulroot> and the driver is supported
[19:39] <zappZap1> soulroot: u know the configuration of ur wireless router: encrpytion mode, etc?
[19:39] <soulroot> yes, wep 128
[19:39] <zappZap1> soulroot: should not use that, to easy to crack
[19:40] <soulroot> move on to hx?
[19:40] <soulroot> hex?
[19:40] <soulroot> i just like being able to remember my password
[19:41] <zappZap1> soulroot: wpa would be the right thing, but don't worry for now. i had to install coustom driver to get wpa support for my card...
[19:41] <soulroot> mine will do that in xp, not sure about linux
[19:42] <soulroot> should i try static u think?
[19:42] <zappZap1> soulroot: if u got ur essid, that's name of your wireless network and the password. open a terminal, if back on linux, and do:
[19:42] <zappZap1> iwconfig eth1 essid <your wireless network name here>
[19:43] <zappZap1> then: iwconfig eth1 key <your password in hex here>
[19:43] <zappZap1> then sudo dhclient
[19:44] <soulroot> should i type the words "essid" and "key" or is that where i insert?
[19:44] <zappZap1> oh u have to use sudo in front of all the other commands. like
[19:44] <zappZap1> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid <your wireless network name here>
[19:44] <soulroot> yes
[19:44] <zappZap1> type essid and key and after that network name and pw
[19:44] <soulroot> k
[19:45] <KingAres> wat is it suppose to do?
[19:46] <zappZap1> theSheep: no success with compiling alsa from sources getting an access denied msg during ./configure, even if i use sudo
[19:47] <zappZap1> king: did the ping work?
[19:47] <KingAres> whats it suppose to show?
[19:48] <KingAres> ..............
[19:48] <zappZap1> king: PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[19:48] <zappZap1> 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=2.50 ms
[19:48] <zappZap1> ...
[19:48] <zappZap1> something like thius
[19:49] <KingAres> yeath.........that happened......and it kept going an going
[19:50] <zappZap1> king: that's good, now u know that u have got a connection to your router, only thing left is to tell your puter to use the gw ip to connect to the internet
[19:50] <KingAres> ok...
[19:51] <KingAres> explain how to do this plz...
[19:51] <zappZap1> king: try sudo dhclient first, if that does not work i'll have to find the other cmd
[19:51] <zappZap1> king: open a terminal and enter sudo dhclient
[19:52] <zappZap1> king: dhclient will try to set this up for u automaticly
[19:52] <KingAres> ok....
[19:52] <KingAres> I'll be back Later..........
[19:58] <zappZap1> how can i find out which kernel i'm using?
[20:06] <crimsun> zappZap1: uname -r
[20:06] <zappZap1> cheers crimsun
[20:11] <zappZap1> some here who knows about issues with ALC300+ sound chips?
[20:13] <zappZap1> sorry, read ALS300+
[20:47] <ltlump> I need installation help :/
[20:47] <ltlump> I'm at "where are you" in the installation thingie and it doesnt have an ok/next button
[20:49] <ltlump> >.>
[20:51] <ltlump> also this chat client sucks
[20:52] <TheSheep> ltlump: maybe try an irc client instead
[20:52] <TheSheep> ltlump: chats are pretty different from irc
[20:52] <ltlump> I know but I need to install the OS before the IRC program
[20:53] <TheSheep> ltlump: what's "where are you"?
[20:53] <ltlump> second question in the installation prompt
[20:53] <TheSheep> ltlump: well, select your country from the list
[20:53] <ltlump> I did
[20:54] <ltlump> and now I'm sitting here with the right time zone and everything
[20:54] <ltlump> but no way of moving foreward
[20:55] <TheSheep> ltlump: pressing enter doesn't work either?
[20:55] <ltlump> nope, it opens up the list of cities
[20:55] <ltlump> same for space bar
[20:56] <TheSheep> ltlump: the window just ends without any buttons under it?
[20:56] <ltlump> yep
[20:56] <TheSheep> ltlump: what version is it?
[20:57] <ltlump> newest
[20:57] <ltlump> 7.10
[20:58] <TheSheep> ltlump: have you tried to close the window and run the installer again?
[20:58] <ltlump> yep
[20:59] <TheSheep> ltlump: have you checked the cd for defects?
[20:59] <ltlump> yep
[21:00] <TheSheep> ltlump: how much ram do you have on that box?
[21:00] <ltlump> 1 gig
[21:01] <ltlump> has anyone here installed version 7.10?
[21:02] <ltlump> hmm, dead channel
[21:03] <zappZap1> ltlump: check #ubuntu, busy
[21:04] <ltlump> ok
[21:05] <somerville32> ltlump, I have
[21:09] <scothealer> hello?
[21:09] <scothealer> anone here?
[21:10] <TheSheep> !ask
[21:10] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[21:10] <scothealer> ok just came in to socialize a bit...
[21:11] <scothealer> do have questions about sound cards...
[21:11] <scothealer> ok, my question is how do I adjust the voume on my linux OS?
[21:13] <scothealer> wow...not a real talky crew here...thanks...
[21:14] <scothealer> #ubuntu
[21:16] <zappZap1> alsamixer
[21:17] <ltlump> anyone know how to reduce the size of a current partition
[21:21] <Ares123> Hello...
[23:27] <pmj> I'm trying to use Thunar in Gnome, and I was wondering if Thunar can be made to manage the desktop in place of Nautilus? I guess it's not really an Xfce/Xubuntu question, but I figured people here would be more familiar with Thunar and its capabilities.
[23:28] <TheSheep> pmj: xfce uses xfdesktop to manage the desktop
[23:28] <TheSheep> pmj: a separate app
[23:29] <pmj> TheSheep: OK, thank you
[23:36] <KingAres> Hello....
[23:38] <KingAres> can someone tell me how to get xubuntu to connect to the internet?????
[23:38] <KingAres> ???????????
[23:39] <KingAres>  
[23:40] <KingAres> anyone