2008/01/12/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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[00:37] <nixternal> hrmm, strigi doesn't work with our packages?
[00:41] <mhb> nixternal: that's a good thing, right?
[00:41] <nixternal> I don't think so. I had it working fine when I was building from SVN
[00:42] <nixternal> strigi, soprano, and nepomuk were working as they should be
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[00:54] <toma> nixternal: hi, is that tomorrow 11 cet or utc?
[00:54] <toma> utc probably
[00:54] <mhb> toma: UTC
[00:54] <mhb> toma: 12:00 cet usually
[00:54] <jjesse_> mtg tomorrow?
[00:54] <mhb> yup
[00:54] <nixternal> 11 UTC
[00:55] <jjesse_> hrm waht time is that for you?
[00:55]  * Jucato can't be there :(
[00:55] <Jucato> moin btw
[00:55] <jjesse_> evening jussi01
[00:55] <jjesse_> doh
[00:55] <jjesse_> moirning Jucato
[00:55] <Jucato> lol :)
[00:55] <nosredna_ekim> Jucato: you missed the KDe4 rush
[00:56] <Jucato> hm?
[00:56] <Jucato> I was there
[00:56] <mhb> nosredna_ekim: have you ever compiled python-kde4 yourself?
[00:56] <nosredna_ekim> mhb: nope
[00:56] <nosredna_ekim> I hate compiling things on my own ;)
[00:56] <mhb> nosredna_ekim: hm, nevermind then
[00:57] <toma> mhb, nixternal: thanks, maybe i'll be around
[00:57]  * nixternal kicks Kubuntu KDE 4.0
[00:57] <yuriy> oh another 6am meeting
[00:57] <mhb> nosredna_ekim: it alway starts compiling, eats up all resources and then just keeps doing something but gcc does not move
[00:57] <nixternal> where is my Nepomuk Control Center module?
[00:57] <nosredna_ekim> yeah... compiling python does that
[00:58] <mhb> nosredna_ekim: ah, so I guess I let it continue
[00:58] <emonkey> here it is 2am ...
[00:58] <jjesse_> i love the look of the kubuntu kde4 live cd :)
[00:58] <jjesse_> its beautiful
[01:01] <mhb> jjesse_: is it somehow different from the KDE4 look?
[01:01] <jjesse_> mhb: it looks bettter then what my kde install does
[01:11] <nixternal> strigi rocks!
[01:14] <nixternal> damn, my inbox index after a few minutes is already 143MB at 22,400 indexed docs
[01:24] <nixternal> OK, did we do something with strigi that doesn't allow the daemon to start up or something?
[01:25] <claydoh> wasn't it disabled in the past due to 10% cpu usage for some?
[01:25]  * claydoh looks...
[01:26] <claydoh> s/100/10
[01:30] <nixternal> well, I had everything built from the repos and it worked like a champ
[01:31] <nixternal> what is the purpose of nepomuk if you can't index the metadata and actually search it?
[01:35] <Jucato> I think claydoh was probably referring to the KDE 3 strigi in gutsy.. while nixternal was referring to the KDE 4 one?
[01:35] <nixternal> yup
[01:36] <Jucato> :)
[01:36] <nixternal> I can manually run the daemon
[01:36] <nixternal> but it crashes out after a bit it seems
[01:36]  * Jucato steals kde4's default wallpaper to put on his kde3
[01:36] <nixternal> and I can't find the Nepomuk/Strigi Server Configuration
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> yech.. I hate that one.
[01:36]  * nixternal hates the default wp in kde 4
[01:36] <nixternal> I use the Colorado one
[01:37] <nixternal> it is beautiful
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> I use the purple maple leaf
[01:37] <nixternal> that is a nice one too
[01:37] <nixternal> Riddell: you had posted a panoramic image of some mountains and a lake during our last meeting...what happened to that image or where can I get it so I can put it on my desktop?
[01:37] <nixternal> that is the most beautiful wally I have ever seen actually
[01:38] <Jucato> no wonder you like the colorado one :)
[01:38] <nixternal> why is that?
[01:38] <nixternal> the colorado one is a very pretty wally
[01:38] <Jucato> oh nothing... nvm :)
[01:38] <nixternal> makes me want to not work and just stare at it :p
[01:38]  * Jucato usually just associates "scenes" like those with XP :P
[01:39] <mhb> hmm, colorado ... never gonna see it :o)
[01:39] <Jucato> the whole "field and sky" setup
[01:39] <mhb> better put some accessible place in there
[01:39] <nixternal> that is because you are a terrorist mhb :p
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> my uncle lives in colordao...
[01:39] <Jucato> curls on green.. hm..
[01:39] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, I'm condemned to spend the rest of my life behind bars
[01:39] <Jucato> purple maple leaf = Code Poets Dream
[01:40] <nixternal> speaking of terrorist...we wanted to prove to a bunch of moes that if we were to say we were going to attack something in the US on either MySpace or Facebook, it would be on TV in 30 minutes with all of our info attached
[01:40] <nixternal> because Facebook and MySpace freely hand out your info w/o even second guessing
[01:40] <nixternal> mhb: there isn't anything special in the US anyways :p
[01:40] <nixternal> just me
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: did it work?
[01:40] <nixternal> that's it
[01:40] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: people got scared
[01:40] <nixternal> I am like you morons, have you ever heard of free speach
[01:41] <nixternal> if the cops come they will see they are stupid and fell for our social experiment
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: did it really get on TV?
[01:41] <nixternal> we didn't do it (yet) :)
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> that'd be funny.
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> kinda...
[01:42] <claydoh> it would be soo neat to have sort of a mass test of this all over the us lol
[01:42] <claydoh> untill they declared martial law that is...
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> yeah <_<
[01:48] <nixternal> they would declare martial law asap
[01:49] <nixternal> ooh, soprano 2.0 is out and solid
[01:49]  * nixternal updates our soprano
[01:51] <nixternal> gah
[01:51] <Jucato> I haven't looked into those 3: strigi, nepomuk, soprano...
[01:51] <nixternal> konqi crashed trying to download it :)
[01:51]  * Jucato wonders if they have GUI's...
[01:51] <nixternal> nepomuk and soprano are frameworks
[01:51] <nixternal> strigi has a client, applet, and daemon
[01:52] <nixternal> soprano is an RDF storage solution/framework
[01:52] <nixternal> nepomuk is the semantic desktop stuff
[01:52] <Jucato> ah.. hm.. ok ;)
[01:53] <apachelogger_> Riddell: information update: I'm investigating an crash in krunner, which happens is you don't finish typing an application name, xRaich[o]2x's kopete issue, kopete jabber support doesn't work in gutsy due to missing lib and a weird issue with some kind of xdg stuff  in krunner
[01:54] <apachelogger_> oh, and getting the icons show properly :D
[01:56] <apachelogger_> hm, typo day it must be again :P
[01:57] <nixternal> damn, someone is on their game...already updated soprano to 2.0 :)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> ahh kde4.0 makes regular qt4 programs Oxygen styled :)
[03:10] <crimsun> funky.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah... look nice :)
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> ok...have to go to bed. Great job everyone on kde4! I think the users are happy :)
[03:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: of course
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> I am at least :)
[03:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: kde3 does that too, doesn't it?
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> and there don't seem to be that many problems with our packages either (which i'm happy for)
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> lol :)
[03:12] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: hm.. that's nothing new..
[03:12] <Jucato> like mhb said
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> you can install from the gutsy kde4 livecd right?
[03:22] <xoqa> a few bugs in kubuntu kde4.0:  while in system settings>appearance, when you change something in a submenu, say the color scheme, but don't apply the setting and click on another submenu like the 'theme manager'.. the dialog which says 'unsaved changes, apply or discard' doesn't appear until you come back into the colors submenu
[03:23] <xoqa> the other bug: "clicking on menu editor kde4" in the kde menu doesn't execute the program
[03:24] <mhb> xoqa: you should report the first bug to bugs.kde.org as it is not our fault
[03:25] <mhb> xoqa: as soon as they open
[03:25] <xoqa> right
[03:25] <xoqa> just as soon they open :)
[03:25] <Jucato> closed for the holidays :)
[03:26] <xoqa> what's the terminal command to launch the menu editor?
[03:26] <xoqa> that way i can strace what's going on
[03:26] <mhb> kmenuedit
[03:27] <xoqa> that's odd
[03:27] <xoqa> it worked
[03:27] <mhb> works here too (SVN build)
[03:27] <Jucato> yep it does when manually invoked
[03:27] <xoqa> right
[03:28] <xoqa> that's not what i was looking for though.. i'm wanting to adjust the panel settings. my bad
[03:28] <Jucato> you can't. not yet at least
[03:28] <xoqa> ah
[03:28] <Jucato> if you meant the size
[03:29] <xoqa> yep
[03:29] <xoqa> and the text
[03:29] <xoqa> it's kind of annoying to ahve half of a word displayed
[03:31] <mhb> let's hope they add it soon
[03:33]  * DaSkreech waves
[03:34] <mhb> but seeing http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/4.1_Roadmap my hopes are not so high
[03:35] <mhb> it seems semantic zooming (whatever that is) is a goal but making the panel configurable is not :o) well, I just hope this is just a miscommunication of some sort.
[03:36] <mhb> I've heard many people say "KDE 4.1 will kick ass" ... I can almost here them say "KDE 4.4 was not that good, but KDE4.5 will kick ass!"
[03:36] <xoqa> http://bayimg.com/haidHaabo
[03:36] <mhb> s/here/hear
[03:41] <xoqa> and why the delicious looking cookie: http://bayimg.com/haIdiaABO ;)
[03:41] <xoqa> makes me hungry :P
[03:43] <mhb> ah yes, those cookie alerts are bothersome
[03:43] <Jucato> turn them off? (set all to reject?)
[03:46] <xoqa> i was just kidding jucato
[03:46] <mhb> Jucato: well I'd vote for turning them off (all accept) by default.
[03:46] <xoqa> however i do have a question
[03:46] <Jucato> :)
[03:46] <mhb> Jucato: because I know of no basic user that would not mindlessly click "Accept and stop asking"
[03:46] <xoqa> it slipped past me though
[03:47] <Jucato> mhb: I never seem to be included in your sets :(
[03:47] <Jucato> of course, IE was set to accept cookies backthen.. so
[03:47] <ScottK> mhb: It's gonna have to have feature parity with KDE 3.5 before it kicks ass.
[03:48] <Jucato> ScottK: I sure hope they wouldn't port KDE 3.5 broken features/wrong implementations into KDE 4 :)
[03:48] <ScottK> Jucato: I'm thinking about bigger chunks like having Kontact.
[03:48] <mhb> ScottK: strange thing is, on that feature list for KDE4.1 only some weird features are listed instead of things every user desires
[03:48] <Jucato> yeah that planned for 4.1 I think
[03:49] <xoqa> where does one specify what apps to run at startup?  i know it was ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:49] <Jucato> xoqa: not working currently
[03:49] <xoqa> ah
[03:49] <Jucato> even the session management is a bit wonky
[03:49] <ScottK> So the screen shots look really cool, but it's not actually up to useful yet for me.
[03:49] <xoqa> i may just stick to kde3 in the meantime then :)
[03:49] <mhb> is there any cron frontend for KDE?
[03:49] <Jucato> kcron
[03:50] <Jucato> mhb: maybe those are the features that they want to *add* on top of what would be essential features that they'll carry over from KDE 3
[03:50] <mhb> right... nice
[03:51] <mhb> Jucato: perhaps.
[04:00] <mhb> Jucato: hmm, you hate my ideas quite often, what do you think about moving kcron to systemsettings?
[04:01] <mhb> is it a bad idea? If so, why?
[04:01] <Jucato> i don't hate your ideas often
[04:01] <Jucato> and I dont know anything about *cron to really have an opinion
[04:01]  * Jucato is also gone
[04:04] <nixternal> I found an interesting bug I think
[04:04] <nixternal> alt+tab, ctrl+f9, keycombos such as those do not work
[04:04] <nixternal> unless...
[04:05] <nixternal> you have system settings -> kb & mouse open
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You are a null set?
[04:29] <DaSkreech> mhb: What was your idea?
[05:08] <nixternal> booyakah
[05:09] <crimsun> nixternal broke it!
[05:09] <nixternal> not yet, but I will soon
[05:09] <nixternal> playing around with creating plasmoids :)
[05:09] <nixternal> I want to make a useful plasmoid, but my think tank is plum empty
[05:10] <crimsun> make it relate to beer, and you're 90% there.
[05:10] <nixternal> hehe
[05:14] <nixternal> here is what I don't get...people complain about KDE looking like Windows, but yet when I check out kde-look.org, there are always Vista theme knock offs for Compiz, Mouse themes, wallpapers, kbfx and more
[05:14] <nixternal> I don't get it
[05:16] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=67833&file1=67833-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Aero+Mouse+Cursors+with+Drop+Shadow
[05:16] <nixternal> anyone want the aero vista mouse cursors?
[05:17] <ScottK> No thanks.
[05:17] <nixternal> heh, someone commented and told the dude to pretty much f' off
[05:19] <DaSkreech> beeroclock!!
[05:20] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You speak of people as if it's ... a person
[05:20] <nixternal> what else would it be? an alien?
[05:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: how about multiple people with .. different tastes and choices ?
[05:21] <nixternal> but only one person made it
[05:22] <DaSkreech> and was he the same people who complained about it looking like windows?
[05:26] <claydoh> lol thats my current mouse theme
[05:28] <DaSkreech> X-D
[05:28] <ScottK> Is someone want's their KDE to look like Windows, there's nothing wrong with that.  Part of the beauty of the system is you can make it look like almost anything.
[05:28] <claydoh> I have never even looked at vista stuff, other than a rare screenie
[05:29] <claydoh> so I don't really know much about the OS
[05:29] <claydoh> never used vista
[05:29] <claydoh> just liked the cursor theme
[05:30] <claydoh> ScottK: precisely
[05:30]  * ScottK sat down and tried to help my sister-in-law make her wireless work over Christmas vacation on Vista and failed.
[05:30] <ScottK> The security was too good.
[05:30] <ScottK> Tjat
[05:30] <nixternal> w00t, imported my adblock config into kde4 and no more stupid ads in websites
[05:30] <ScottK> That's the only time I've used it.
[05:30] <ScottK> nixternal: You have a filter that only catches the stupid ads?
[05:31]  * DaSkreech is on vista now
[05:31] <nixternal> ScottK: obviously not, cuz it didn't catch that one ^^
[05:31] <nixternal> 23:31:02              DaSkreech is on vista now
[05:31] <nixternal> that advertisement got through :p
[05:31] <DaSkreech> nixternal: so no go on the sleepover?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Thats like saying I'm on home made crack
[05:31] <nixternal> hehe
[05:32] <nixternal> when are you going to be here?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> 21-22
[05:32] <nixternal> 1 whole day?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> more like a night :)
[05:32] <nixternal> wth
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Soon as AA gives me back my ticket
[05:33] <DaSkreech> it looks like I land in chicago on the 21 then leave on the 22
[05:33] <nixternal> I don't have a spot here for anyone to crash
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I thought Oh nooooooo I may meet nixternal what will I doooooooo?
[05:33] <nixternal> I have my small bedroom and that is it
[05:33] <nixternal> and you aren't crawling in bed with me
[05:33] <DaSkreech> damn
[05:33] <nixternal> my girlfriend might have a problem with that one ;)
[05:34] <nixternal> and of course it is my first nights back at school
[05:34] <nixternal> what time do you fly in on MOnday?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Dunno
[05:34] <nixternal> and what time do you fly out on Tuesday?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> I'll let you know when they confirm the ticket
[05:35] <nixternal> hopefully next monday I will be out in the burbs and not in the city
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Doh
[05:36] <DaSkreech> You tease!!
[05:36] <nixternal> I might have to go to the city on Monday night though and crash there since I will have an early class on tuesday morning
[05:36] <nixternal> hahahahahahha
[05:38] <nixternal> DaSkreech: will you know by Sunday?
[05:38] <nixternal> I have to make my appointment to stay in the dorms next week at the other campus
[05:39] <nixternal> it is free and I don't have to wake up at 4am to get ready for school :)
[05:39] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I shouldhave known by now
[05:39] <DaSkreech> they are holding out on me
[05:39] <DaSkreech> they have a real nice call center though :)
[05:39] <nixternal> was it towards the evening on Monday do you know?
[05:39] <nixternal> late afternoon?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> would have been or they wouldn't make me stay
[05:40] <nixternal> well if you fly in after 9pm I think they make you stay an extra day
[05:40] <nixternal> no air traffic after midnight here
[05:40] <DaSkreech> something like that
[05:40] <nixternal> if it is that late then I don't know if I will be out in the burbs
[05:41] <nixternal> I was planning on meeting you at the airport, grabbing a bite to eat, hanging out for a few and then heading to the other campus
[05:41] <nixternal> thank god this is my last semester doing this crap
[05:42] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ok I'll find out
[05:42] <nixternal> I am getting to old for school I think :p
[05:43] <DaSkreech> otherwise I'm going to have to bring a big blankie and teddy bear to sleep with in the airport
[05:43] <nixternal> after this semester I am back to a single degree/major
[05:43] <DaSkreech> you are dual degreeing ?
[05:43]  * nixternal boots up vista to play some call of duty 4 :)
[05:43] <nixternal> ya, Business and CS
[05:43] <DaSkreech> doesn't one cancel the other?
[05:43] <nixternal> nope
[05:43] <nixternal> 2 different universities
[05:44] <DaSkreech> the one guy I know who did that is a jerk :)
[05:44] <nixternal> simultaneous education
[05:44] <nixternal> well I am the 2nd guy then :)
[05:44] <DaSkreech> well I know two now
[05:44] <nixternal> haha
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah anyway he's a jackass
[05:45] <DaSkreech> reviewed my final year project and was being a complete goddamn fool
[05:46] <nixternal> hehe
[05:47] <DaSkreech> We are given the project we do at the start of the year and all his questions were about the Business
[05:47] <DaSkreech> So where are you getting funding for this?
[05:47] <nixternal> government
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Who are you selling it to?
[05:47] <nixternal> I go to school for absolutely nothing
[05:47] <DaSkreech> What is your focus market?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> WE dont' know JACKASS we were given this project and we built it
[05:47] <nixternal> Business: Marketing & Entrepreneurship || CS: well CS
[05:48] <nixternal> oh, I thought you were asking me those questions
[05:48] <DaSkreech> someone else gets the money we handle the technology that's how it works
[05:48] <nixternal> god, I love booting up in to Vista and it wants to scan everything because it has been a while...need to check for viruses, spyware, life history and more
[05:49] <DaSkreech> stop asking us questions about something you have a degree in that we happened to spend that last 4 years of our lives NOT LEARNING
[05:49] <nixternal> then again, every 30 boot ups in Linux it wants to check my disk(s)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I know. It's constantly scanning
[05:49] <DaSkreech> like all the time
[05:49] <nixternal> see if I can play call of duty 4 w/o it crashing
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Just today I was thinking that Laptops should have Vista clauses in the Warranty for hard drive wear
[05:50] <nixternal> shoot, if you would have come this week it would have been perfect...since I only have to go to class in city about once or twice a month
[05:50] <DaSkreech> It runs virus scans like 3 times a day
[05:50] <DaSkreech> spyware stuff like every day
[05:51] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ask Wade to move the KDE party up to tomorrow
[05:51] <nixternal> heh
[05:51] <nixternal> I would get on the first plane out in the morning
[05:51] <nixternal> I start class back again on Tuesday
[05:51] <nixternal> the good thing though about this semester is my classes in the burbs are late
[05:52] <nixternal> last semester I would have class from 7am-9am, drive an hour to the burbs for class from 10am-2pm, come home for 3 hours and go back from 6pm-10pm
[05:52] <nixternal> that was Monday through Thursday
[05:52] <nixternal> so when the weekend came, I didn't want to do anything
[05:54] <DaSkreech> nixternal: at least you had an excuse to not want to do anything on the weekend :)
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe, true
[06:48] <daSkreech> dang
[06:48] <daSkreech> no wifi in kde4 :(
[07:03] <daSkreech> nixternal: OMG this laptop is so much quieter in KDE4
[07:03] <daSkreech> Well from a Live Cd but still
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[10:09] <Tonio_> hi
[10:10] <jpatrick> hi Tonio_!
[10:10] <Tonio_> jpatrick: :)
[10:13]  * jpatrick is just loving kde4
[10:13] <Tonio_> jpatrick: well kwin doesn't seem to like fglrx ati driver, so I can't say I really love kde4 atm ;)
[10:14] <jpatrick> Tonio_: same here, but it still rocks
[10:15] <Tonio_> hehe
[10:16] <jpatrick> Tonio_: or maybe it's just Tangerine Dream... :|
[10:34] <Mez> ffs. - it seems everything wants to switch to having my default browser as konq4
[10:46] <mhb> good morning
[10:46] <mhb> somehow I sense that today it'll be a not-so-interesting meeting
[10:47] <jpatrick> mhb: party!
[10:48] <mikkael> who's allowed to speak in that meeting ?
[10:48] <mhb> last meeting there was just one meeting agenda point
[10:49] <jpatrick> mikkael: anyone
[10:49] <mhb> mikkael: whoever has got a mouth. fingers  actually :o)
[10:49] <mikkael> so users are welcome ? whats the topic ?
[10:50] <jpatrick> wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[10:50] <mhb> mikkael: that's the problem. Nobody bothered to suggest any topics.
[10:52] <fdoving> hi.
[10:52] <mikkael> how often are you going to package a kde4 snapshot ?
[10:52] <fdoving> mhb: isn't regular short meetings better than those 4-hour-we're-not-even-close-to-finish meetings twice a year?
[10:53] <mhb> fdoving: they are. it's just when I look back and see that at the last meeting, only I had a topic to discuss, and this meeting, nobody bothered... I dunno, it doesn't make me a happy bunny.
[10:54] <fdoving> mhb: look at the positive sides, everyone get more time to implement whats already decided :)
[10:55] <jpatrick> Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:01] <Hobbsee> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:02]  * nosrednaekim yawns
[11:04] <jpatrick> Nightrose, Rum0 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:05] <Nightrose> thx jpatrick ;-) and good morning
[11:05] <jpatrick> Nightrose: guten morgen
[11:06] <Rum0> thx jpatrick: Mahlzeit ;-)
[11:06] <fdoving> Lure: are you working on guidance-power-manager for kde4? - or will the plasmoid replace it somehow?
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: its being replaced by a plasmoid
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: I think sebas was working on it
[11:07] <Lure> fdoving: not really, there was plan that suse will port and improve kpowersave
[11:07] <Lure> fdoving: I just improved plasma applet a bit
[11:07] <Lure> but we will have to do something for hardy
[11:08]  * nosrednaekim wishes there were python bindings for plasma already
[11:08] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: Kross
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> there are?
[11:08] <Lure> nosrednaekim: there is some support for script languages (Aaron blogged if I recall)
[11:08] <jpatrick> maybe :)
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but I thought that was only for kOffice, it wasn't real clear
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. nothing here about plasma
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3187
[11:52] <Lure> nosrednaekim: would this help: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/11/scriptengine-plasmas-tower-of-babel.html
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> title has the right words... but the context isn't promising ;)
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> snif.... java script no mention of python.
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> maybe I should go bug them over in #kde-devel
[11:55] <Rum0> is there somewhere already a build of yakuake-kde4?
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> Rum0: is there such a program?
[11:56] <Lure> nosrednaekim: right, I thought at first that ScriptEngine is more generic
[11:56] <Lure> nosrednaekim: yes, I am using yakuake for kde4
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> Lure: someone was asking about that yesterday... good to know
[11:56] <Rum0> nosrednaekim: yes: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153
[11:57] <Rum0> nosrednaekim: there's a note from January 8th
[12:12] <toma> meeting over already?
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> toma: yes
[12:12] <toma> k
[12:14] <Riddell> toma: unless you have some business to add?
[12:14] <jpatrick> Tonio_: it's only two days, might convince my dad somehow
[12:15] <Riddell> jpatrick: sleeper to paris, thialis to brussels, arrive in time for the first talk
[12:15] <toma> Riddell: no, not really, i just wanted to know if there are issues with the keg tarballs, but I think i know most of the problems, and can ask nixternal later on
[12:16] <jpatrick> toma: ligature had no COPYING when I checked
[12:16] <Riddell> ligature and kpovmodeller had issues
[12:16] <vorian> jpatrick: yeah, there's a bug with freetype that prevents it from building
[12:16] <toma> i think those are unmaintained (have to check to be sure), I will suggest to remove them
[12:17] <toma> jpatrick: can you make a note on the wiki for that?
[12:17] <toma> just in case
[12:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: what is a thialis?
[12:17] <jpatrick> toma: where exactly?
[12:18] <toma> jpatrick: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/extragearReleases
[12:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: TGV to belgium (possibly wrong spelling)
[12:19] <jpatrick> toma: ok
[12:19] <toma> Riddell: unable to compile kpovmodeler?
[12:20] <Riddell> toma: vorian had issues with it I seem to remember
[12:20] <vorian> yeah
[12:20] <vorian> it's the freetype bug
[12:21] <toma> i could not compile it either
[12:21] <MuNzE> can some1 help me with sound ...i have sistem sound but no audio and video sounds?
[12:21] <vorian> bug #181913
[12:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181913 in freetype "freetype, incorrect include dir" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181913
[12:22] <toma> i guessed it was a dependency missing on my system
[12:22] <toma> but it is a bug?
[12:22] <vorian> it has the wrong inclusion directory
[12:22] <vorian> which causes it to crap out around 18%
[12:23] <toma> vorian: yes, so kpovmodeler tarball might  be correct?
[12:23] <Riddell> it might just need an extra flag to cmake to tell it where to look
[12:24] <vorian> toma: it should be
[12:24] <vorian> nixternal was able to confirm the bug
[12:24] <toma> ok, i leave it to the distro's to fix that
[12:26] <jpatrick> toma: done
[12:26] <toma> thnx
[12:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: do you think I could run for core-dev?
[12:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: for what purpose?
[12:45] <jpatrick> update kmplayer easily :)
[12:48] <Riddell> jpatrick: I think the tech board will say that main membership should be because you want to contribute towards key areas of the system, having a package or two to upload wouldn't be enough
[12:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes, I remember what happened last I talked to them :)
[12:53]  * Hobbsee is still surprised that she got core, tehn
[12:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how did you persuade them?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i went to UDS, basically
[12:54] <Hobbsee> certain members of core dev put me up for it
[12:54] <Hobbsee> some thought i already was a core dev
[12:54]  * Hobbsee didn't really have much choice after that
[13:28] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[13:33] <jjesse> morning sebastian^
[13:35] <sebastian^> hey jjesse :)
[13:36] <jjesse> Looks like plane has arrived should be time to board soon
[13:52] <stdin> Riddell: I wanted to ask you, should we do anything about bug 182093 or just wait until the next kde4 release?
[13:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182093 in kdebase-workspace "Patch to prevent GTK+ applications with system tray icons from crashing in KDE 4.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182093
[13:57] <stdin> Riddell: also, are you going to backport meta-kde4? or have you already?
[14:01] <Riddell> stdin: seems like a good patch to have, can you make a debdiff?
[14:01] <stdin> Riddell: I'll attempt to :)
[14:02] <Riddell> backported meta-kde4
[14:40] <ryanakca> mhb: ping :)
[14:41] <ryanakca> Mind reviewing my blog entry before I send it to the planet?
[14:44] <ryanakca> mhb: oh, hmm... where we going to get them to host their mockups....
[14:44] <ryanakca> kwwii: ping, how did you guys set up your "upload the wallpapers, but don't abuse it" site? We're planning on doing something similar for kubuntu website mockups
[14:44] <mhb> ryanakca: wiki, mailing lists... I guess wiki is better.
[14:44] <mhb> ryanakca: or something custom.
[14:45] <ryanakca> Do we want them to see what others have submitted?
[14:45] <ryanakca> Get inspired, or no?
[14:45] <ryanakca> I'd go for yes
[14:45] <mhb> yes
[14:46] <ryanakca> ok.... whats the wiki code for your signature & date/time? ~~~~ ?
[14:47] <mhb> @SIG@ I guess
[14:48]  * Hobbsee never seems to have luck with that
[14:48] <vorian> Hobbsee: can you check bug 181913 for me?
[14:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181913 in freetype "freetype, incorrect include dir" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181913
[14:48] <vorian> :)
[14:48] <Hobbsee> not atm, sorry
[14:48] <vorian> kk
[14:49] <vorian> thanks anyway :)
[14:50] <TheInfinity> hmm ... installing kde4 in hardy does not work with alpha 3, hmm?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: WFM.
[14:51] <Riddell> TheInfinity: what doesn't work?
[14:52] <TheInfinity> Riddell: i just installed kde4 package on a clean alpha3 installation
[14:52] <TheInfinity> now i cant even login to kde
[14:52] <txwikinger> Riddell: Are you waiting for a translation of the article about KDE4?
[14:52] <TheInfinity> "a critical error accured"
[14:53] <TheInfinity> additional, every user is shown on left side
[14:53] <TheInfinity> and it looks a little like kde3, although i should have kde4 login screen
[14:53] <TheInfinity> bug known or should i search for more information via bash?
[14:54] <kwwii> ryanakca: it was a php script, and no, nobody could see the other submissions
[14:54] <ryanakca> kwwii: ah, kk
[14:56] <Riddell> txwikinger: what article?
[14:57] <Riddell> TheInfinity: it's not clear what your bug is
[14:57] <txwikinger> from kubuntu-de.org
[14:57] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: does it only happen with kdm-kde4?
[14:57] <txwikinger> I am working on it if you want to also put it on kubuntu.org
[14:58] <txwikinger> Hope that I get it doen later today
[14:58] <TheInfinity> Hobbsee: no i cant login in kde3, too
[14:58] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: does it happen if you move .kde* ?
[14:58] <Hobbsee> out of the way, then try again?
[14:58] <Riddell> txwikinger: ok, thanks
[14:58] <TheInfinity> additionally, i get a debian kde login screen
[14:58] <txwikinger> np
[14:58] <TheInfinity> ok i'll test it
[14:59] <vorian> TheInfinity: you installed kdm-kde4
[14:59] <TheInfinity> i installed kde4 which might include kdm-kde4, yes
[14:59] <vorian> did you choose kdm-kde4 as the default dm?
[14:59] <vorian> I made that mistake last night
[15:00] <TheInfinity> vorian: yes i did
[15:00] <TheInfinity> bad?
[15:00] <vorian> it would seem so :)
[15:00] <TheInfinity> damn ;)
[15:01] <vorian> just remove it and reinstall, but choose kdm as your dm
[15:02] <TheInfinity> i think i'll reinstall the whole vm
[15:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: what are the criteria for a website? accessibility, ease of use, aesthetics, and ?
[15:03] <TheInfinity> Riddell: should i put it into launchpad? :)
[15:05] <xRaich[o]2x> isn't the kdm-kde4 problem already in launchpad? since it's b0rkedness has a long history? ^^
[15:05] <TheInfinity> xRaich[o]2x: might be i just test hardy atm ;)
[15:05] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah i know
[15:06] <xRaich[o]2x> i wasn't talking about the ppa issue
[15:06] <Riddell> TheInfinity: can do
[15:12] <stdin> Riddell: http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/post-rel/kdebase-workspace_4.0.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff
=== jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 16th January 23:00 | KDE 4.0! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[15:15] <Jucato> how was the meeting? :/
[15:16] <jpatrick> Jucato: okay-ish
[15:16] <Jucato> quite ironic that I missed this meeting, because I had to be in another meeting :(
[15:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, that would be standard.  of course, if you had both listed in launchpad, then they could figure by there
[15:18] <Jucato> nah, I meant a meeting in the non-virtual world :)
[15:18] <Jucato> ah nvm..
[15:18]  * Jucato just got home.. still.. um.. booting up :D
[15:18] <Hobbsee> non-virtual meetings exist?
[15:18] <Jucato> apparently...
[15:19] <jpatrick> Jucato: i just have to finish my philosophy notes and you'll have a minutes
[15:19] <Jucato> no rush. I won't be able to make sense of them tonight anyway...
[15:19] <Jucato> philosophy? O.o
[15:19] <jpatrick> yes, metaphysics right now
[15:19] <Jucato> ooooh! :)
[15:20] <Jucato> jpatrick: I have a sort of love/hate relationship with my course :)
[15:21] <jpatrick> Jucato: mine's just olve (teacher rocks)
[15:21] <Jucato> yeah, the ones I loved were those that had great teachers :)
[15:22] <Jucato> for a course like philosophy, the teachers charisma and skills matter a lot :)
[15:26] <wolfger> question: Since I have installed KDE4 from a PPA instead of from an official repository, is Launchpad still the right place to file bugs?
[15:32] <Hobbsee> er, yes, as the packages should b ethe same, or close to it
[15:32] <Hobbsee> just make sure you say that's where you go tthem
[15:32] <stdin> KDE bugs should go to bugs.kde.org, packaging/kubuntu specific bugs should go launchpad
[15:33] <stdin> kde devs don't really like it when kde bugs go to LP and not bugs.kde.org
[15:43] <Jucato> stdin: I think that can't be helped sometimes... it's kinda difficult for regular users to differentiate whether it's a kde bug or a kubuntu bug... and they file it in LP just the same :(
[15:43] <jpatrick> it's our job to forward them :(
[15:44] <Jucato> jpatrick: I was afraid to say that :P
[15:44] <Jucato> but it's true... :(
[15:44] <stdin> yeah, but if you think it's a kde bug then it's best to report it to kde.org, the'll tell you quick enough if it's not their fault :p
[15:44] <Jucato> stdin: and it only adds to the problem :(
[15:45] <Jucato> "I’m a little wary to say this as I’m sure its apt to stir up some controversy, but the feel of the desktop reminds me an awful lot of Windows Vista."
[15:45] <mornfall> mhb: Tak je nakresli, asi, ne?
[15:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: others have said that in blogs, etc
=== \sh_away is now known as \sh
[15:46] <Jucato> iirc, people who weren't "in the know" also said the same thing about compiz...
[15:46] <mornfall> mhb: A vůbec, kšá.
[15:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if KDE 4.0 was released before Vista was, they'd be singing the opposite tune
[15:47] <mornfall> mhb: O moc lepší to aj tak nebude. Ale klidně to zkus.
[15:47]  * Jucato gets a translator... might have cryptic messages
[15:47] <Jucato> :D
[15:48] <mornfall> ...
[15:48] <mornfall> Wasn't me who started, anyway.
[15:48] <Jucato> haha j/k
[15:48] <Jucato> altavista doesn't  have it anyway :P
[15:48] <mornfall> Unsurprizingly...
[15:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there is that
[15:49] <Jucato> it's actually nice to see some other language for a change... I miss the days when Tonio_ and um... forgot who would flood the channel with French :P
[15:49] <\sh> Jucato: raphink? :)
[15:50] <Jucato> most probably :)
[15:50] <Jucato> 'twas a looong time ago :)
[15:50] <jpatrick> Dapper times no?
[15:50] <Jucato> yep
[15:50]  * txwikinger offers to do some German if you feel better afterwards
[15:51] <Hobbsee> yes, german is better
[15:51] <Jucato> danke :)
[15:51]  * Jucato scavenges for food :)
[15:51] <jpatrick> seltsam...
[15:51] <txwikinger> Hobbsee: Don't y'all have some towns down udner where they speak German?
[15:52] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: not to my knowledge
[15:52] <apachelogger__> txwikinger: gibts nen bug report über die fehlenden icons bei manchen KDE4 programmen?
[15:52] <Hobbsee> there probably are, though
[15:53] <jpatrick> apachelogger__: heher
[15:53] <apachelogger__> :P
[15:53] <txwikinger> apachelogger__: Ja im Forum
[15:53] <apachelogger__> txwikinger: Ok, dachte da wäre was im Launchpad, ich arbeite gerade an nem fix dafür.
[15:54] <txwikinger> Im Launchpad gibts auch ein paar.. Hab aber schon einige gefixt
[15:54] <apachelogger__> txwikinger: wie hast du die gefixt?
[15:55] <txwikinger> uuencoded icon als Patch und modifizierte .desktop Datei mit dem icon im richtigen Verzeichnis
[15:55] <apachelogger__> Oo
[15:55] <apachelogger__> omg
[15:56]  * apachelogger__ schaudert es
[15:56] <yuriy> morning
[15:56] <yuriy> anything interesting at the meeting?
[15:57] <mornfall> yuriy: Hi.
[15:57]  * jpatrick starts writing meeting minutes
[15:58] <apachelogger__> yuriy: yeah, I was asleep :P
[15:58] <mornfall> yuriy: I assume it is planned to factor out the copied code from PackageExtender/PackageDetails somewhere : - ).
[15:59] <yuriy> mornfall: yeah but i haven't thought of where
[16:00] <mornfall> Well, together with the action/status color/string stuff.
[16:00] <apachelogger__> wooohooo
[16:00] <apachelogger__> my debug package for kdebase-workspace is finished soon
[16:00] <mornfall> Probably a common base-class, say PackageInfo.
[16:01] <mornfall> {remove,act}StateChanged will need factoring as well... Hmm, lots of stuff.
[16:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger__: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork-kde4/+bug/182215
[16:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182215 in kdenetwork-kde4 "kde4 Kopete - Jabber SSL Error" [Undecided,New]
[16:01] <yuriy> mornfall: i'm doubtful of the packagelistview thing i did though. it seemed useful and gets rid of the #define protected public thing, but i was under the impression you were trying to avoid it, and it's getting a little messy trying to pass all the signals
[16:02] <mornfall> Yes, I have been trying to avoid it indeed. I haven't gotten around to fix that #define (dunno how to go about it yet).
[16:03] <mornfall> But as a temporary solution, it is about as good as the #define, so I am fine with that I suppose.
[16:03] <yuriy> mornfall: why avoid it?
[16:04] <mornfall> It feels like going against the Qt philosophy.
[16:04] <mornfall> Model/view I mean.
[16:05] <yuriy> i'm not sure, since it is a custom view
[16:05] <mornfall> Well, not really. You basically doesn't need anything from the view.
[16:05] <mornfall> And the stuff technically also works with QListView, although there is a bug somewhere preventing that.
[16:06] <mornfall> don't*
[16:06] <yuriy> oh yeah i was wondering why it's a tree
[16:06] <mornfall> QListView refuses to repaint something IIRC. You can try by substituting Tree with List.
[16:07] <yuriy> hmm so i should probably be trying to get signals from the model huh
[16:08] <mornfall> Which signals do you need?
[16:09] <mornfall> You can go the Buddy route to proxy signals and map them to ept::Token or such.
[16:10] <yuriy> well there's the action checkbox that appears on both the details view and in the list view and needs to be kept in sync so i was trying to get at the changed signal, in both directions
[16:24] <yuriy> mornfall: new patch with what i'm referring to, got it to work but don't like it much
[16:37] <jpatrick> today's meeting minutes uploaded: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[16:37] <jpatrick> yuriy, Jucato ^
[16:38] <Jucato> jpatrick: thanks.
[16:38] <yuriy> thanks jpatrick
[16:38] <Jucato> and good night :)
[16:38] <Jucato> you just love latex don't you? :)
[16:38] <jpatrick> Jucato: it's better than using a wordprocessor
[16:39] <yuriy> aw okular went from icons to a combo box for fit to page/width
[16:39] <Jucato> until you come across a situation where you need to give someone a .doc
[16:39] <Jucato> yuriy: ?
[16:40] <Jucato> I still have the combo box beside zoom out
[16:40] <jpatrick> Jucato: I'll tell them to use something more decent and sane
[16:45] <iRon> yuriy: hi. i saw you in list of kde-guidance developers.. i've an issue with displayconfig.
[16:46] <iRon> yuriy: it failes when there is no ServerLayout section in xorg.conf
[16:46] <Riddell> iRon: try glatzor
[16:47] <Riddell> he's the displayconfig-gtk maintainer
[16:47] <glatzor> hello Riddell, iRon
[16:47] <iRon> glatzor: hi.. so do you planing to fix this?
[16:47] <yuriy> iron: i did wineconfig, don't know much about displayconfig
[16:48] <glatzor> iRon: displayconfig is not good in creating a valid xorg.conf
[16:48] <glatzor> iRon: the future of the xorg.conf in debian/ubunu is quite uncertain, so I am not sure which direction to take in the development
[16:48] <mornfall> yuriy: AdeptManager can handle that change notification.
[16:48] <mornfall> yuriy: At least for now.
[16:49] <glatzor> iRon: the debian maintainer wants to replace the xorg.conf by a overwritting infrastructure in the future
[16:49] <iRon> glatzor: in a near future? ;)
[16:50] <glatzor> iRon: unluckily there is no way to get the "current autodetected" configuration from a running xserver
[16:50] <glatzor> iRon: it is a bad situation. Why did you remove the server section at all?
[16:51] <iRon> glatzor: it's not me.. it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:51] <glatzor> iRon: right, I see.
[16:51] <glatzor> iRon: I was quite busy the last weeks.
[16:52] <glatzor> and missed some changes :)
[16:53] <iRon> glatzor: so.. you could init `server_layouts' from the first founded in the config file section.. (Screen, Device, Monitor, Input..).. etc
[16:53] <glatzor> iRon: or skip it at all if not needed
[16:54] <iRon> glatzor: i'm asking about this, because i've started implementing this already..
[16:54] <stdin> hmm, why is there a d3lphin package and a dolphin package?
[16:54] <Riddell> W: Unable to locate package d3lphin
[16:55] <glatzor> iRon: which time zone do you live in?
[16:55] <iRon> +3
[16:55] <stdin> Riddell: http://stdin.pastebin.com/d79507791
[16:55] <Riddell> stdin: oh meh, there is one in hardy.  it'll be a debian sync
[16:55] <iRon> glatzor: 18:52 right now
[16:55] <Riddell> should probably be removed
[16:55] <glatzor> well, we could talk tomorrow about this in detail
[16:56] <iRon> glatzor: ok.. i'll be here :)
[16:57] <glatzor> iRon: I already wrote python bindings for xrandr. If you want to help integrating them into displayconfig it would be great too
[16:59] <glatzor> iRon: do you have got a branch available?
[17:00] <mornfall> yuriy: Dunno about the signals. I will probably do that myself somehow.
[17:01] <iRon> glatzor: am.. apt-get source kde-guidance :)
[17:01] <iRon> glatzor: but, i could download a branch
[17:07] <mornfall> yuriy: I have pushed the changes (modulo the last patch).
[17:07] <mornfall> yuriy: I will do the signal interconnect somehow.
[17:14] <Sime> Merry KDE 4.0 everyone!
[17:15] <Riddell> Sime: working for you?
[17:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: why shouldn't it? ;-)
[17:18] <Sime> I've got the ppa1 packages and they seem to work.
[17:18] <Sime> there seems to be a mix of packages though w.r.t. KDE 4.
[17:18] <Sime> is that normal?
[17:20] <ryanakca> mhb: ping, how does this look? http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/44
[17:20] <Sime> where can I find the src debs for kde4?
[17:21] <Riddell> Sime: in the ppa (deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[17:23] <Sime> ok, I don't supose anyone has debs with the fixes from kde 4.0 svn...
[17:23] <Sime> man, I'm missing that "task bar displays icons for the current desktop only" feature.
[17:23] <Riddell> Sime: I'm afraid not
[17:23] <Sime> Riddell: you in mountain view?
[17:24] <Riddell> Sime: next week I will be
[17:25] <Sime> Riddell: ok, so you where not at the launch event.
[17:26] <Riddell> Sime: it's next week (or at least I hope it is)
[17:27] <Sime> Riddell: oh, indeed, it's 17-19th. Not 11th---
[17:29] <Sime> anyone got debs for the newer ATI driver?
[17:46] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, see you again tomorrow (hopefully). I will work on commit etc. -- I have pushed what I have so far.
[17:47] <mornfall> Haven't had much time though, and won't have over the weekend either. We'll see...
[17:47] <mornfall> -->
[17:47] <yuriy> Sime: yeah the taskbar thing is the biggest thing bothering me about kde4 now
[17:47] <yuriy> mornfall: ok, bye
[17:48] <yuriy> well that and nvidia's black windows bug
[17:48] <yuriy> which i think compiz worked around
[17:54] <apachelogger> stdin: btw, we have to attach KDE 4 to all Name= .... currently we only do for en_US
[17:56] <stdin> apachelogger: that's difficult, it's done at build time with sed
[17:57] <apachelogger> stdin: I really know very little about sed, but shouldn't it be possible to search with regexp and reuse the regexp match in the replace?
[17:57] <apachelogger> otherwise we might be better of with some script
[17:58] <stdin> that'd be even more difficult, I'll try experimenting a bit but making it work in a Makefile is another thing
[18:02] <apachelogger> stdin: why would a script be more difficult?
[18:02] <apachelogger> or was that about sed+regexp?
[18:02] <stdin> about using sed and searching with regexp
[18:03] <apachelogger> stdin: well, if it is too difficult we just go with a script ;-)
[18:03] <apachelogger> scripts++
[18:03] <stdin> you going to make one for me then? ;)
[18:03] <apachelogger> stdin: well, I could use some practising with ruby file editing anyway :)
[18:04] <stdin> apachelogger: if I can get it to work in debian/rules that's easier, only a small edit to every package. if not and a script is the way, then it means a rather large edit to all packages
[18:05] <apachelogger> I wouldn't worry about that
[18:05] <stdin> you wouldn't, but I'm the one that has to edit them :p
[18:06] <apachelogger> well
[18:06] <apachelogger> theoretically
[18:06] <apachelogger> we could package the script in it's own package
[18:06] <apachelogger> build-depend with all kde4 packages
[18:06] <apachelogger> execute it
[18:06] <apachelogger> so we wouldn't have to do something in the rules anymore
[18:07] <apachelogger> just change the script package
[18:07] <uga> guys, what has happenned with the CD/DVD drives now in the kernel
[18:07] <stdin> it would still require editing all the packages, to remove the sed in debian/rules
[18:07] <uga> something broke it all, now    I have no /dev/cd* or dvd* devices anymore
[18:07]  * ryanakca patiently waits for mhb to return before publishing the kubuntu website mockup contest to the planet
[18:09] <uga> something is very strange ... what used to be sdb, it's now sdf. That's an ide drive. and cd/dvd drives aren't recognised
[18:11] <apachelogger> stdin: yeah, but only ones
[18:12] <apachelogger> in fact, thinking abou it, I rather like that idea
[18:12] <apachelogger> quite future proof
[18:13] <apachelogger> stdin: do you have any pending changes to kdebase-kde4? I'll upload in some minutes to fix the icons
[18:15] <stdin> apachelogger: nope
[18:15] <apachelogger> k
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[18:18] <uga> uhm... nobody here is suffering from kernel issues?
[18:18] <uga>  I think I'll try reverting to the older kernel
[18:19] <apachelogger> stdin: why does the last line in the for loop end with ; \?
[18:19] <apachelogger> it horrible breaks syntax highlighting in kate :P
[18:19] <stdin> apachelogger: the last line is "done"
[18:19] <apachelogger> stdin: well, the line before :P
[18:19] <stdin> because without that it'd break
[18:20] <apachelogger> stupid rules files
[18:20] <stdin> that's make for you
[18:20] <apachelogger> stupid non-the-less
[18:21]  * apachelogger is quite sure stdin will not like these icon fixes
[18:21] <stdin> oh, I'm not disagreeing :)
[18:22] <stdin> Riddell: I just tested some .debs I made from kdebase-workspace with the GTK patch, it works (the app doesn't crash). although the icon in the tray is all white
[18:24] <yuriy> are gtk apps supposed to crash?
[18:24] <yuriy> (mine don't) is it driver dependent?
[18:24] <stdin> if they use a tray icon
[18:24] <yuriy> oh
[18:25] <yuriy> hmm with pidgin i just get an empty area in the system tray instead of an icon, but it doesn't crash
[18:25] <Riddell> stdin: excellent
[18:25] <stdin> crashes quite nicely for me, well it did before the patch
[18:26] <nixternal> Riddell: +1 on vorian from me too :)
[18:26] <apachelogger> stdin: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~apachelogger/kdebase-kde4-icons.diff
[18:29] <stdin> apachelogger: what's with the extra install/konqueror-kde4:: install/kfind-kde4:: and install/kappfinder-kde4:: ?
[18:30] <apachelogger> stdin: fixes the paths, as saied, not all icons are in hicolor, neither are all in oxygen
[18:30] <apachelogger> kappfinder for example is in hicolor
[18:30] <apachelogger> kfind is not in apps/
[18:30] <apachelogger> and Home is neither in apps/
[18:31] <uga> finally, fixed... stupid thing...
[18:31] <stdin> apachelogger: ahh yeah, I see
[18:31] <apachelogger> stdin: you're ok with that solution?
[18:31] <stdin> apachelogger: if you give me a few I can test build it and see if it works :)
[18:31] <iRon> uga: how you fixed it?
[18:31] <apachelogger> stdin: already did
[18:32] <apachelogger> works like charm :D
[18:32] <stdin> apachelogger: well that it seems fine, a little messy but debian/rules are supposed to be messy :p
[18:32] <selckin> lies
[18:32] <apachelogger> stdin: just imagine how messy it would be without cdbs ;-)
[18:48] <stdin> apachelogger: I think I got how to add " KDE 4" to the i10n names
[18:48] <stdin> adding "| sed 's/Name\[.*\]=.*$$/& KDE 4/g' \" seems to have done it
[18:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think you are mixing the terms messy and understandable.
[19:08] <claydoh> hmm was 'view hidden files' in konq-kde4 disabled, or broken? i can't find any reports on this, or info
[19:10] <stdin> claydoh: konqueror is the web browser, why would it have that?
[19:11] <uga> claydoh: konqueror is lacking in filebrowser support yet. Just report the issue
[19:11] <claydoh> info then, many/most assume konq was still going to be the swiss-army-knife
[19:11] <jpatrick> it uses dolphin-part
[19:11] <uga> claydoh: it's missing a statusbar too, and a number of other things
[19:12] <claydoh> preparing for help in mailing lists/kubuntu forums
[19:12] <seele> man.. I miss katapult in kde4
[19:13] <claydoh> should i direct bug reports upstream or to launchpad?
[19:13] <jpatrick> claydoh: view->hidden files, brings it up in Konqueror
[19:13] <jpatrick> that in dolphin^
[19:14] <claydoh> I don't have that option in gutsy or hardy
[19:14] <claydoh> konqueror
[19:14] <claydoh> neither do keyboard shortcuts work for it
[19:14] <jpatrick> it's in dolphin, and since konqueror uses it's part it shows them
[19:15] <uga> claydoh: the feature isn't there in kde svn trunk either. So it wouldn't do any harm to report it to b.k.o.
[19:15] <jpatrick> seele: I *might* port it - if I find the time
[19:16] <claydoh> uga: ok thanks, I'll do it myself, as the mailing list folks just like to gripe :)
[19:16] <uga> jpatrick: konqueror doesn't show the option. Only dolphin does
[19:17] <uga> jpatrick: it's usually best testing before saying worksforme
[19:17] <uga> using a part doesn't mean the options are used or that menus are automagically created
[19:18] <jpatrick> uga: that's what I said :)
[19:18] <uga> jpatrick: [20:14] <jpatrick> it's in dolphin, and since konqueror uses it's part it shows them
[19:19] <uga> just pointing out that, that statement isn't true
[19:19] <uga> even if you enable viewing hidden files in dolphin, you won't see them in konqueror
[19:19] <uga> after all each app got their own rc file
[19:19] <jpatrick> uga: restart konqueror4
[19:19] <uga> I opened a new session
[19:20] <uga> after a killall -9 konqueror
[19:20] <uga> it doesn't show hidden files
[19:20] <uga> dolphin does
[19:20] <jpatrick> odd, it shows the files here
[19:20] <uga> it shouldn't though. It doesn't make sense that one app's configuration affects to a completely different one
[19:21] <claydoh> it will show hidden files, *if* you open dolphin and swicth view mode there
[19:21] <jpatrick> their kparts use the appropiate rccs
[19:21] <claydoh> then go back and open the dir in konq
[19:21] <uga> jpatrick: weird... even dolphin doesn't show them back
[19:21] <uga> the option isn't saved
[19:22] <uga> but this is off trunk
[19:22] <uga> claydoh: that's what I was doing
[19:22] <uga> either it doesn't flush configs or something is wrong here
[19:38] <claydoh> lol Alt+. what a genius keyboard shortcut for viewing , well, dot files :)
[19:41] <yuriy> speaking of which, shortcuts aren't working for me half the time in kde4
[19:41] <mhb> ryanakca: don't wait up
[19:42] <apachelogger> stdin: I'll introduce this line when I do the other icon fixes
[19:42] <mhb> ryanakca: you don't need my approval, you'd get it anyway :o)
[19:42] <apachelogger> almost every package has the issue, that at least one app is shiping a crystalsvg version even though there is an oxygen one
[19:43] <apachelogger> but for now, I'm away, yet another KDE party :P
[19:43] <apachelogger> later
[19:43] <stdin> looks like I finally got OpenGL compositing working :)
[19:43] <claydoh> party on, apachelogger, party on!
[19:44] <stdin> it's a little slower than XRender, but hey I feel 1337 now :p
[19:59] <mhb> kwwii: hi, how's it going?
[20:00] <mhb> kwwii: I'm sorry I couldn't take part in any of the ubuntu artwork meetings, they're at really inconvienient times for me... anyway, are there any official results or decisions about the Ubuntu artwork for Hardy?
[20:00] <jjesse_> according to kwwii at uds they are going to black :) :P
[20:01] <mhb> something like a wiki page "Ubuntu Hardy is going to take this and this path w.r.t icons, widget style..."
[20:03] <Riddell> jjesse_: that's hardy+1 now
[20:31] <mhb> hmm
[20:32] <mhb> I've never known that there aren't any icons on buttons in Vista or OS X
[20:35] <iRon> mhb: personaly i'm turning them off in kde too :)
[20:36] <iRon> mhb: when using Plastik visual style.. because then buttons gets smaller..
[20:37] <mhb> iRon: ah
[20:38] <mhb> I really should read more usability-related materials
[20:40] <fdoving> i recommend http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php :)
[20:42] <mhb> fdoving: heh, why should I read a tutorial to an editor I use daily? :D
[20:43] <aantipop> is someelse experiencing the strange look of gtk apps on hardy/kde4? see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4123120&postcount=21
[20:43] <fdoving> mhb: because you'll most likely learn alot about its power.
[20:47] <tmp> I have just downloaded alpha 3 but cannot open the Monitor&Display module (in System Settings). It says that libpython2.5.so is missing. The very same error existed in both alpha 1 and alpha 2. What is going on?! I think it is kind of trashing us testers that these essensial bugs remain. :-( How should we ever be able to test e.g. a dual monitor setup?
[20:48] <mhb> tmp: do you have python2.5 installed?
[20:48] <iRon> tmp: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1  /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so
[20:48] <iRon> tmp: this bug already in LP
[20:48] <tmp> I use the live CD so I dont know
[20:48] <tmp> What does LP mean?
[20:49] <mhb> launchpad
[20:49] <mhb> !LP
[20:49] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[20:49] <tmp> iRon: But how can this bug stay throughout three (!) alpha releases?
[20:50] <tmp> Isn't display config a quite fundamental feature to test? I think it is
[20:51] <ryanakca> mhb: lol, okies, sending to planet
[20:51] <ryanakca> sent :)
[20:52] <tmp> Espesially because setting up a dual monitor config has always been practically impossible for all of us that simply refuse to manually edit xorg.conf
[20:52] <tmp> especially
[20:52] <tmp> With xorg7.3 this should (theoretically) be easy as far as I have understood
[20:53] <fdoving> tmp: dual monitors is not on top if any prioritylist that i am aware of.
[20:54] <tmp> Attaching an external monitor to a laptop is a subproblem of the "dual monitor" problem and this is quite fundamental for most laptop users.
[20:56] <tmp> Doing a "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1  /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so" did not make displaycondig work. Now it says: *** Error: couldn't find any ServerLayout sections
[20:56] <iRon> tmp: this is another known bug..
[20:56] <iRon> :)
[20:58] <iRon> tmp: there is workaround for it.. just add a ServerLayout section in your /etc/xorg.conf file
[20:58] <iRon> */etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:05] <yuriy> aantipop: yes, there is no gtk-qt engine for kde4 so gtk apps use the default gtk theme
[21:06] <yuriy> aantipop: thought i don't know what's with synaptic
[21:07] <aantipop> it runs as root, but i copied the gtkrc file from roots home, no success
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