2008/01/06/#ubuntu-ops.txt

[00:20] <articpenguin3800> do bans ever ex[ore
[00:20] <articpenguin3800> expire
[00:21] <Pici> articpenguin3800: No.
[00:21] <stdin> only if we remove them
[00:21] <Pici> articpenguin3800: We have to remove them manually, can I help you with something?
[00:22] <articpenguin3800> no i am not going to bother because i tried last month and they didnt belive me
[00:23] <articpenguin3800> are bans applied by ip range or single ips
[00:23] <Pici> Depends on the bam
[00:24] <Pici> ban.
[00:24] <TheSheep> evading a ban usually results in more bans
[00:24] <Pici> If you give me a few minutes, I can take a look at what we have in our logs for you..
[00:24] <articpenguin3800> go aheaf
[00:24] <articpenguin3800> d
[00:27] <Pici> articpenguin3800: Do you remember what nickname you were in here as? or what the situation was regarding the not believing you?
[00:28] <articpenguin3800> no i dont remember the name but they banned me because of abusing !op
[00:28] <articpenguin3800> or sumthing like that
[00:28]  * PriceChild looks
[00:28] <Pici> Why did you call !op?
[00:29] <articpenguin3800> i didnt
[00:29] <articpenguin3800> proabaly someone on my network
[00:30] <PriceChild> Pici, look before that
[00:30] <PriceChild> articpenguin3800, do you use another nickname on the network at all?
[00:31] <Pici> PriceChild: I saw it.
[00:31] <articpenguin3800> ive only used this one
[00:34] <articpenguin3800> why?
[00:35] <Pici> articpenguin3800: You said that you came in here like a month or so ago to ask about the ban?
[00:36] <articpenguin3800> yes
[00:37] <articpenguin3800> ive changed the name since
[00:37] <PriceChild> ok so you have used a different name on the network....?
[00:37] <articpenguin3800> yes
[00:37] <PriceChild> You said no earlier?
[00:38] <articpenguin3800> ive used this one since and i dont plan on changing it
[00:38] <PriceChild> ok well if you're ever asking for a ban to be removed in the future, please answer questions truthfully no matter what you plan on doing in the future.
[00:39] <articpenguin3800> k
[00:41] <articpenguin3800> what dates are you looking at
[00:41] <Pici> Did you speak to the other people in your household about the bans? We had asked that you do that when you came in previously.
[00:42] <articpenguin3800> i dont remember being asked but i did ask
[00:43] <Pici> And?
[00:43] <PriceChild> Pici, what can I grep for to find this easily?
[00:43] <articpenguin3800> my brother said he did it
[00:44] <Pici> PriceChild: grep for falcon within your -ops log
[00:44] <articpenguin3800> thats why i changed from falcon to the new name i use
[00:45] <PriceChild> Pici, thanks
[00:46] <PriceChild> articpenguin3800, you blamed it on your brother last time you were in here?
[00:46] <articpenguin3800> he said he did it
[00:47] <PriceChild> could i suggest providing him with a seperate account on the machine? keep your login name to yourself as well as saved passwords etc. ?
[00:47] <articpenguin3800> i am doing that
[00:47] <Pici> And locking the screen when you are away.
[00:48] <articpenguin3800> thats what i have been doing in the past
[00:49] <Pici> If you can do those things, we can unban you.  But if we see that sort of stuff from you again, you wont be getting another chance.
[00:49] <Pici> How does that sound?
[00:49] <articpenguin3800> ok
[00:50] <PriceChild> !guidelines | articpenguin3800
[00:50] <ubotu> articpenguin3800: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[00:50] <articpenguin3800> thanks
[00:51] <articpenguin3800> is it possible for people to wipe a users password is recovery mode
[00:51] <PriceChild> articpenguin3800, yes
[00:51] <PriceChild> physical access is everything
[00:52] <Pici> articpenguin3800: You can join #ubuntu now
[00:52] <articpenguin3800> what about the kubuntu
[00:52] <Pici> I dont have access to that, PriceChild?
[00:52] <Pici> one set in +1 too
[00:53] <articpenguin3800> can i restrict programs somehow so only i can use it
[00:54] <PriceChild> !support | articpenguin3800
[00:54] <ubotu> articpenguin3800: the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[00:55] <articpenguin3800> thanks
[00:56] <articpenguin3800> i will make my computer more secure from people
[00:57] <articpenguin3800> cya
[01:25] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, i got rid of wols
[01:29] <PriceChild> directed him to here as I'm about to go
[01:31] <elkbuntu> got rid of him from where?
[01:32] <elkbuntu> ah, i see
[02:19] <Amaranth> i'm going to be pretty much useless
[02:20] <Amaranth> had to install windows on my laptop for some work stuff and now the cd drive is dead so i can't install ubuntu again
[02:20] <Pici> !install
[02:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[02:20]  * Pici ducks
[02:45] <ardchoille> stdin: Wow, I didn't realise vit was in there that many times
[02:45] <stdin> ardchoille: he/she/it always is, just 8 concurrent connections was the proverbial straw in that case
[02:46] <ardchoille> I agree
[02:46] <Pici> in #kubuntu I presume?
[02:46] <stdin> yeah
[02:46] <ardchoille> Yes
[02:46] <Pici> I need to add that to my auto-join
[02:47] <stdin> he always starts connected as "vit_" then goes up to "vit________" and "vit_______freeno" this time
[02:47] <Pici> ugh..
[02:47] <ardchoille> And this is the second time someone has hit the @es trigger for him/her/it
[02:47] <ardchoille> *!es
[02:48] <stdin> he's in -es too
[02:48] <ardchoille> Ah
[02:49] <stdin> do "/who *vit_*" to see all the pretty _'s
[02:49] <Pici> Weird.. they arent even from the same address.
[02:50] <ardchoille> Hmm.. multiple ip's too
[02:50] <stdin> yeah, I noticed that a few months ago
[02:51] <stdin> he's only ever spoken a few lines in #kubuntu, mostly just joins/quits/rejoins
[02:51] <ardchoille> I wonder how many of those are compromised boxes
[02:51] <Pici> They could be dialup accounts..
[02:51] <ardchoille> Ah, yeah
[02:52] <Pici> I'm not up on my IP subnetting, but that isp says it owns 190.198/15
[02:53] <stdin> they all seem to be owned by "CANTV Servicios, Venezuela"
=== aryo is now known as hana
=== aryo is now known as hana
[03:27] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[03:27] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[03:28] <nalioth> yep, clone swarm
[03:28] <Pici> nalioth: you're fast
[03:29] <nalioth> nah, i seen 'em coming
[03:30] <Pici> nalioth: still two of them hanging out in unregged
[03:30] <nalioth> just didn't know where they were going
[03:30] <Pici> ah, with your staff-spidey-sense
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Pici: might be worth becomming staff for
[03:37] <nalioth> the only thing is that you have to use your 'staff spidey sense' to the benefit of the whole network (and not just #ubuntu-land)
[03:37] <nalioth> i think that line "with great power comes great responsibility" is apt here
[03:42] <Hobbsee> pity
[03:46] <sp0ro> Is there anyway to recover a registered IRC nick's password through the e-mail I registered the nick with?
[03:47] <Pici> sp0ro: yes, ask in #freenode, this channel is only for #*buntu* related issues.
[03:47] <sp0ro> Alright, sorry. The Wiki said you could ask for a hostname cloak here so I figured it might be related. Thanks :)
[03:49] <nalioth> sp0ro: i can save you a trip
[03:50] <sp0ro> Ok, any info you need then?
[03:50] <nalioth> sp0ro: your nick can't be recovered because you didn't give nickserv an email when you registered it
[03:50] <sp0ro> Oh
[03:50] <sp0ro> great
[03:50] <nalioth> but if you come back in 6 days, we can release it to you for reregistration
[03:50] <nalioth> unused nicks can be released after 60 days
[03:51] <sp0ro> heh alright then, time to play the guessing game and then register a new nick when I get bored :p
[03:51] <sp0ro> Ah, might be able to release it now then, let me check
[03:51] <nalioth> sp0ro: in 6 days  :)
[03:51] <sp0ro> Oh, heh. Thanks for the info :)
[03:52] <sp0ro> Woot
[03:52] <sp0ro> I remembered it :P
[03:52]  * Hobbsee kicks prozilla
[03:53] <sp0ro> Now, as for the hostname cloak, who would I contact for that to be done?
[03:53] <Pici> sp0ro: Are you an Ubuntu member?
[03:54] <sp0ro> Do you mean on the forums or ?
[03:54] <Pici> sp0ro: I mean a member, from your answer, I'm going to assume no.
[03:55] <sp0ro> I have no idea what you mean by "member", so yeah, I'll assume no.
[03:55] <Pici> sp0ro: either nalioth can help you with that, or you can ask in #freenode
[03:55] <sp0ro> Alright, thanks for the info. :)
[04:08] <nalioth> sp0ro: did you want an Ubuntu cloak?
[04:08] <nalioth> sp0ro: while you're identified, why not add an email to your account?
[04:08] <nalioth>   /msg nickserv help set email
[04:09] <nalioth>   /msg nickserv help set hide
[04:09] <Pici> I figured he'd ask in #freenode if you werent around
[04:32] <DrDerek> has LjL returned yet?
=== aryo is now known as hana
[06:26] <ardchoille> What is the proper channel for people looking for support of kde4 on kubuntu?
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: ^?
[06:27] <stdin> ardchoille: #kde4-devel
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> stdin: for support?
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> really?
[06:28] <ardchoille> stdin: Ok, thanks
[06:28] <stdin> well there is no kde4 support only channel yet, and who better for support than the devs ;)
[06:28] <nixternal> that is a toughy
[06:29] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: it's not supported by Ubuntu
[06:29] <nalioth> not at all
[06:29] <nalioth> use at your own risk
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: right
[06:29] <nixternal> kde4-devel might give you a hand, someone in #kubuntu might give you a hand
[06:29] <nixternal> what isn't supported by Ubuntu?
[06:29] <stdin> kde4 packages
[06:29] <nixternal> they are supported by Kubuntu
[06:30] <nalioth> nixternal: why does the kubuntu.org page say different?
[06:30] <nixternal> because you are reading about pre-releases
[06:30] <nixternal> we still support the packages
[06:30] <nalioth> um, until 'official' release, they are all 'pre-releases'
[06:30] <nixternal> we can't release a package or application and not support it unless it is a binary blog
[06:30] <nixternal> s/blog/blob
[06:31] <stdin> binary blog, now that's an interesting idea... :p
[06:31] <nixternal> heh
[06:31] <nixternal> we just aren't excepting KDE 4 bugs just yet
[06:31] <nixternal> unless of course you prove they are package bugs
[06:31] <nixternal> and if you do, then it is stdin's fault :p
[06:31] <ardchoille> So support questions for kde4 on kubuntu are ok in #kubuntu?
[06:32] <nalioth> nixternal: you did mean "accepting", right?
[06:32] <stdin> the packages are community supported, yes. but not many community members know much about it yet so the best place is #kde4-devel if no one knows
[06:32] <nixternal> ya
[06:32] <nixternal> where at on kubuntu.org does it say we aren't supporting KDE 4 stuff btw? I don't see it
[06:32] <ardchoille> stdin: Oh, and thank you for your work on the packages :)
[06:33] <stdin> I just run my "backport-kde4" script :p (now I need to go make a "backport-kde4" script)
[06:33] <nixternal> hehe
[06:34] <nixternal> I am about 1/2 way done with the official.....ermmm top-secret, can't spill the beans in here :)
[06:34] <stdin> I am getting good at using dch however :)
[06:34] <nixternal> dch -e|-i
[06:34] <nixternal> that is all I ever use with it
[06:34] <stdin> eg: dch --newversion "$(dpkg-parsechangelog|grep Version:|awk '{print $2}'|awk -Fppa '{print $1"ppa"$2+1}')" "Fix FTBFS:...";;debuild -S;dput kde4 ../*.changes
[06:35] <stdin> for ppaN->ppaN+1
[06:35] <nixternal> man, you are ballsy with that one, not even testing to make sure everything got installed :p
[06:36] <stdin> I can't, because it's amd64 and lpia that's failing
[06:36] <stdin> I test when i386 fails, but anything else is just fate
[07:01] <Hobbsee> stdin: wtf?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> stdin: whatever happened to the dch -i "Fix FTBFS"; debuild -S;dput kde4 ../*.changes
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:02] <stdin> Hobbsee: that adds ubuntu1 to the end for me, so I get "<version>~ppa1ubuntu1"
[07:02] <Hobbsee> oh, dodgy
[07:02] <Hobbsee> stdin: you should provide a patch to make it understand what to do with ppa versions.
[07:02] <stdin> I did try -i first ;)
[07:02] <stdin> what's dch written in?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> no idea
[07:03] <stdin> /usr/bin/debchange: perl script text executable
[07:03] <Hobbsee> ah, there you go
[07:03] <stdin> I know no perl, at all
[07:03] <Hobbsee> should be fudgable
[08:45] <stdin> edo: is there something we can help you with?
[10:01] <ardchoille> jussi01: Thanks. I sometimes forget about the factoids :(
[10:01] <jussi01> :)
[10:06] <jussi01> Hmmm, I wonder what the preferred way is. I often think it would be better if we encourage people to use graphical means to do things - even though the command line is _very_ useful, Ubuntu is about being easy to use - and this would help with this image for new people.
[10:08] <ardchoille> Well, I agree, it should be easy-to-use. But, some folks can get impatient and in the time it takes to launch adpet_manager and wait for it to be ready to use, I can sudo apt-get install something have have it almost done.
[10:23] <Arelis> There's a wrong factoid
[10:23] <Arelis> !virtualbox
[10:23] <ubotu> VirtualBox is an x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubunut.com/community/VirtualBox
[10:23] <Arelis> look at the spelling of the URL
[10:23] <Arelis> "ubunut.com"
[10:25] <jussi01> Arelis: thank you. we will ensure it is fixed :)
[10:26] <Arelis> no problem :)
[10:26] <jussi01> Hobbsee: good morning :)
[10:26] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: Can you correct the spelling in the url of the !virtualbox factoid? (ubunut.com)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> heya!
[10:27] <Hobbsee> !virtualbox
[10:27] <ubotu> VirtualBox is an x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubunut.com/community/VirtualBox
[10:28] <Hobbsee> !no virtualbox is a  x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[10:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[10:28] <Hobbsee> !no virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[10:28] <Hobbsee> done
[10:28] <ardchoille> ty :)
[10:29] <Hobbsee> ubotu: ping
[10:29] <ubotu> pong
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !no virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[10:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[10:29] <Hobbsee> good bot
[10:30] <jussi01> !virtualbox
[10:30] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[10:31] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I hate to be pedantic but.... shouldnt that first "a" be "an"?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> jussi01: last i checked, x is not a vowel?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> or have i gotten confused?
[10:32] <jussi01> Hobbsee: correct, BUT, its an exception to the rule iirc
[10:32] <ardchoille> x is not a vowel, true, but is it better to say " need a x-ray" or "I need an x-ray" ?
[10:32] <jussi01> because it starts with a vowel like sound?
[10:33] <ardchoille> fwiw, I agree with jussi01
[10:33] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought y was the only exception
[10:34] <jussi01> Hobbsee: Ive been out of the country a long time, I may be wrong...
[10:34] <Hobbsee> jussi01: lp bug # is wrong, btw
[10:34] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> in the patch
[10:35]  * jussi01 goes to look.... :(
[10:36] <Hobbsee> don't worry, i'll fix it here
[10:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks :D
[10:45] <jussi01> cari_teman_FS: can we help you?
[10:49] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you testd that, i take it?
[10:58] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yes, persia has done, I havent a hardy system atm
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ah right
[10:59]  * Hobbsee isn't aware of how to compile perl and such, so...
[10:59] <jussi01> :)
[11:02]  * stdin hugs Hobbsee for closing 2 of his bugs in one foul swoop
[11:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:02]  * Hobbsee closed all the u-r-e ones too
[11:03]  * Hobbsee also wrote a shell script to rsync the latest iso's of interest, off cdimage.
[11:03] <stdin> Hobbsee's been busy
[11:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, i finally got motivated to do ubuntu stuff
[11:05] <jpatrick> stdin: and I've just closed one of yours
[11:05] <stdin> which one?
[11:06] <jpatrick> bug #180199
[11:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180199 in meta-kde4 "Incorrect dependancy for kde4-amusements " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180199
[11:07] <stdin> yeah, but that's a bug I created, not one I solved :p
[11:07] <jpatrick> ;)
[11:08] <stdin> which reminds me to subscribe to bug mail for meta-kde4
[11:15] <jussi01> can we add something to nickspam that encourages people to set their nick in their client setup?there are just too many people who enter, then change nick straght away...
[11:18] <jussi01> !nickspam
[11:18] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[11:21] <jussi01> stdin: serial offender for the above ^
[11:22]  * Hobbsee ponders fixing something else
[11:22] <jussi01> Hobbsee: the flash plugin :D
[11:22] <Hobbsee> pft
[11:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: do you know the current position on that? (or a bug number with info?)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> oh wow, command-not-found doesn't bail on zsh
[11:25] <Hobbsee> jussi01: erm, no.  it's faily obvious in the list, though
[11:25] <jpatrick> Debian guys had it more or less fixed when I last heard anything
[11:25]  * jussi01 is sick of flash plugin queries..
[11:31] <ardchoille> Can someone explain that to me? I mean isn't it simply as easy as having the package download the plugin from adobe? How bad is this flash problem?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: the latest flash breaks konq
[11:32] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: essentially yes, though
[11:32] <ardchoille> Ah, that explains it. I'd love to learn how to stop konq from asking me to install flash
[11:32] <Hobbsee> stop using konq.  easy solved.
[11:32] <ardchoille> hehe
[11:33] <jussi01> hmmm, can someone hilight me using my name not as the first word?
[11:33] <jpatrick> hello jussi01
[11:34] <jussi01> jpatrick: thank you!
[11:34] <jpatrick> ardchoille: details: lastest Flash uses XEmbed, which Konqueror does not support (kdelibs + kdebase patch needed)
[11:34] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Oh, so it's not as simple as I thought.
[11:34] <ardchoille> jpatrick: thanks
[11:34] <jpatrick> jussi01, ardchoille: you're welcome
[12:19] <ardchoille> Well, got flash working in konqueror
[12:19] <ardchoille> Oops, wrong window. sorry
[12:19] <ubotu> PurpZeY called the ops in #ubuntu (FLOOD)
[15:33] <ikonia> crdlb: are you around at all please.
[15:49] <ikonia> guys - persistant minor flooder / troll d0berman
[15:49] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[15:49] <ikonia> nothing major but getting tedious
[15:51] <ikonia> it's about to get ugly
[15:51] <ikonia> assistance please
[15:53] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (d0)
[15:53] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (d0berman flooding/spamming/trolling in #ubuntu)
[15:54] <ikonia> Seveas: has delt with, thank you
=== nalioth__ is now known as nalioth
[17:04] <ikonia> potential issue Nahztu in #ubuntu
[17:04] <ikonia> heads up
[17:05]  * Tm_T hides
[17:05] <Tm_T> oh, up, not down
[17:06] <TheSheep> chicken!
[17:06] <TheSheep> uh, I mean
[17:06] <TheSheep> duck!
[17:06] <ikonia> assistance please, it's getting a little messy in #ubuntu
[17:08] <Tm_T> ikonia: I'm on it
[17:09] <ikonia> ta
[17:10] <PriceChild> what's it called when you have irc on one machine, then log into that whenever you need
[17:10] <PriceChild> from say a laptop
[17:10] <ikonia> screen
[17:10] <ikonia> ?
[17:10] <Tm_T> PriceChild: proxy/bouncer, or, irssi+screen
[17:10] <ikonia> PriceChild: can you expand on that a tad
[17:10] <PriceChild> I like my xchat though :)
[17:11] <ikonia> PriceChild: I've been working on options for an X version of screen for ages
[17:11] <PriceChild> and I remember setting something up to play with a little while ago that let me connect my xchat to it
[17:11] <ikonia> the only way I've managed to do it was a really ugly setup
[17:11] <Tm_T> PriceChild: irssi as proxy
[17:13]  * PriceChild tries out irssi-proxy
[17:14] <Tm_T> humm, wasn't this "debian" fellow one of those regular bypass trolls?
[17:15] <ikonia> no idea
[17:16] <Tm_T> anyway, I need to cook and eat, so I'm off a bit, sorry :/ ->
[17:20] <Tm_T> now I'm really gone ->
[17:23] <Tm_T> 1922.41 < chuy_> What I want, is to remount the sda1 (Vagina Gentium), and then properly mount the 70 or so GB partician that cannot be found.
[17:23] <PriceChild> Tm_T, keeps connecting then disconnecting me :/
[17:23]  * PriceChild wonders why he sees ipv6 addresses
[17:23] <Tm_T> (why on earth I did spot that while trying to cook)
[17:23] <PriceChild> Tm_T, that was on yesterday
[17:23] <PriceChild> Tm_T, it seems slightly legit to piracy
[17:24] <Tm_T> PriceChild: no idea what you're talking about
[17:24] <Tm_T> anyway, back cooking myself ->
[17:24] <PriceChild> Tm_T, irssi proxy 8-)
[17:35] <ikonia> Tm_T: when did chuy_ say that
[17:35] <ikonia> Tm_T: was that today
[17:36] <Ariel_Eran> Hi  there all
[17:38] <Tm_T> ikonia: was ~15 min ago
[17:38] <ikonia> Tm_T: I believe this is a scam, he's been in 2 days trying to solve this problem (it's been solved multiple times for him) it looks like an excuse to keep saying "vagina"
[17:40] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm eating now
[17:40] <Tm_T> also, seems like I'm veeery busy all this night ;(
[17:55] <pricechi1d> yay that's working...
[17:55] <pricechi1d> ns info pricechi1d
=== nalioth_ is now known as nalioth
[18:24] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (as)
[18:33] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (tuxice)
[19:04] <ubotu> In ubotu, ed_ said: What is the universe repository for?
[19:04] <Pici> !bot > ed_
[19:06] <ubotu> In ubotu, ed_ said: What is beryl?
[19:06]  * Pici facepalms
[19:22] <PriceChild> znc looks cool
[19:22] <Pici> Oh, are you here for good now?
[19:24] <ikonia> PriceChild: are you using znc as way of connecting/controlling remove X11 apps ?
[19:24] <ikonia> ooh I see it's an irc tool
[19:24] <ikonia> not what I thought
[19:25] <PriceChild> Pici, i just had to reboot because i told my friend that the little smartmedia disk they had would fit in my laptop, but it didn't
[19:25] <PriceChild> Pici, and only had metal things, so turned it all off and battery out then fished it back out
[19:29] <PriceChild> ikonia, it seems to work quite well... if I run an irssi connected to it logging for me.
[19:29] <Gary> LjL, might want to set guard on too
[19:35] <ikonia> PriceChild: it's not the tool I thought it was, but it looks interesting
[19:36] <PriceChild> It seems quite cool, was easier to set up than irssiproxy which I haven't completely fixed up yet.
[19:36] <PriceChild> Need to decide about hte machine first though
[19:38] <ikonia> PriceChild: I'm not quite catching how different the solution is to say irssi and screen
[19:39] <ikonia> PriceChild: quick summary, is there something obvious I'm missing
[19:39] <ikonia> (I'm just reading on sourceforge)
[19:40] <PriceChild> i guess its slightly simpler just using proxy
[19:40] <PriceChild> hmm there is one difference
[19:40] <PriceChild> log into znc and it gives you a buffer
[19:40] <PriceChild> which i like
[19:40] <PriceChild> *just using irssi
[19:40] <ikonia> ok, so the buffer is probably bigger than irssi nativly
[19:41] <PriceChild> oh sorry i misread you earlier
[19:41] <ikonia> ooh
[19:41] <PriceChild> i would prefer to keep using xchat
[19:41] <PriceChild> rather than irssi + screen
[19:41] <ikonia> PriceChild: yup, that bit I understand but how are you using xchat through znc
[19:42] <ikonia> (I also miss-read you before I assumed you where using irssi+znc AS the solution you wanted)
[19:42] <PriceChild> irssiproxy + screen is good though, i'm sure there must be something letting you have a buffer in it
[19:42] <PriceChild> znc just acts as an irc server which you can connect xchat to
[19:42] <ikonia> and then znc connect to the real irc server
[19:42] <ikonia> ok, I see the difference, thank you
[19:42] <ikonia> I wasn't quite getting that from the inital lines in the docs
[19:48] <ompaul> keem an eye on tuxice in various channels
[19:48] <ompaul> keep even - now missing from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:49] <jpatrick> tuxick?
[19:50] <ompaul> tuxice it was
[19:50] <jpatrick> well, I can see a tuxick in #kubuntu
[19:51] <PriceChild> ompaul, was talking with him yesterday
[19:51] <PriceChild> odd fellow
[19:52] <ompaul> PriceChild, I just banned him from both locations
[19:52] <PriceChild> tried to convince me to make him an admin on ubuntuforums.org because he had experience on other forums
[19:52] <ompaul> hah
[19:52] <ompaul> I am gone cooking
[19:52] <PriceChild> obviously not enough experience to work out i'm a mod not an admin
[19:55] <PriceChild> tuxice is incoming
[19:55]  * crdlb thinks floodbot2 is malfunctioning
[19:56] <tuxice> hi i need to state a case
[19:56] <tuxice> can someone give me the guidlines
[19:56] <tuxice> ?
[19:56] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[19:56] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:56] <tuxice> !guidelines
[19:57] <PriceChild> tuxice, read the message ubotu has already given
[19:57] <tuxice> oh
[19:57] <PriceChild> crdlb, hmm.... i forget hte command i think i need to use....
[19:58] <PriceChild> gah nal's away
[19:59] <PriceChild> LjL, ping
[19:59] <PriceChild> 3 and 1 are in emergency mode :.
[20:00] <PriceChild> tuxice, can I help?
[20:00] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[20:01] <Cpudan80> What's going on with the flood bots in #ubuntu ?
[20:01] <tuxice> im just reading the guidelines
[20:01] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, we are aware and just getting things sorted now.
[20:02] <Cpudan80> Oh ok
[20:02] <Cpudan80> Just thought I'd mention it
[20:02] <PriceChild> Thanks :)
[20:08] <tuxice> so are the bots fixed?
[20:10] <PriceChild> tuxice, no need to worry about them. Can I help you yet?
[20:10] <LjL> tuxice: no, they're just gone
[20:16] <ubotu> BluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[20:17] <PriceChild> tuxic1, hello?
[20:18] <tuxic1> ah man my nic messed up againg
[20:18] <tuxic1> yes
[20:18] <tuxic1> u wanted me?
[20:18] <tuxic1> according to ompaul
[20:18] <PriceChild> tuxic1, you want to contest a ban?
[20:19] <tuxic1> i do
[20:19] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[20:20] <tuxic1> i was experementing with the bots and i got banned ok the first time i got kicked i deserved i was swearing but getting banned in the -offtopic (#ubuntu-offtopic is the social channel frequented by quite a few user) for social entries???
[20:21] <PriceChild> yes so you were using bad language, and abused the bots
[20:21] <tuxic1> ya the first time and secong time (which i got kicked) and then i got banned
[20:21] <tuxic1> !!!!!
[20:22] <PriceChild> You were given several warnings...
[20:22] <PriceChild> both via channel messages, and via kicks
[20:22] <PriceChild> and your final bit of bot abuse resulted in a ban
[20:22] <tuxic1> how did a abuse the bots a third time???
[20:23] <PriceChild> tuxic1, someone gave you botabuse... then you returned it to them.
[20:23] <tuxic1> ya because they gave it to me for aboslutly no reason
[20:23] <PriceChild> (the !botabuse factoid)
[20:24] <PriceChild> so if they shouldn't have given it to you, it makes it fine for you to abuse the bot and give it back?
[20:24] <tuxic1> ???huh?
[20:24] <ompaul> tuxic1, you should be aware that !action now (time stamp) may cause people to react to you in 1/ 5/ 10 or even 15 minutes
[20:25] <tuxic1> i still dont think i should have been banned
[20:25] <PriceChild> tuxic1, see the following:
[20:25] <PriceChild> 2008-01-06T20:40:12 <Pici> !botabuse | tuxice
[20:25] <PriceChild> 2008-01-06T20:40:52 <tuxice> !botabuse | pici
[20:25] <PriceChild> 2008-01-06T20:41:07 *** ompaul sets mode: +b
[20:26] <ompaul> tuxic1, being advised of the channel policy when you are clearly skating close to the edge or over it but being tolerated but not permission to get away with it - might be a bit hard for you to grasp
[20:26] <PriceChild> tuxic1, you should perhaps read the text of the factoid, which would have helped you experiment with the bot in private
[20:26] <ompaul> the ban was not for one thing, but your general attitude, and behaviour
[20:26] <Cpudan80> To be fair
[20:26] <Cpudan80> You banned him only 18 seconds after the warning
[20:27] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, "the warning"?
[20:27] <tuxic1> im still here
[20:27] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, there were multiple warnings *and* kicks before the final ban.
[20:27] <ompaul> he had been removed several minutes earlier
[20:27] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, can I help you?
[20:27] <Cpudan80> Well, after you sent that factoid thing
[20:27] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, there were multiple warnings *and* kicks before the final ban.
[20:27] <Cpudan80> PriceChild: No no, I was just commenting
[20:27] <ompaul> Cpudan80, what can we do for you?
[20:27] <Cpudan80> Oh I just came in here to ask about the flood bots
[20:28] <Cpudan80> PriceChild: Oh really? I missed that part
[20:28] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, so it seems, LjL can probably help if you direct questions to him. (he's /away atm though so be patient waiting for responses)
[20:29] <PriceChild> tuxic1, so...
[20:30] <tuxic1> so only technicallyviolated the rules twice and then i got banned from not only the violated forum but th #ubuntu support forum AS WELL
[20:30] <ompaul> it is not about technically breaking rules
[20:31] <tuxic1> and even if i violated 3 times why did i get blocked from both?
[20:31] <ompaul> tuxic1, your use of the ! in #ubuntu was trollful
[20:31] <tuxic1> ok 1 warning
[20:31] <Tm_T> tuxic1: btw we don't deal forums, sooo
[20:31] <ompaul> doing my nick with a ! in front of it in #ubuntu well what did you expect
[20:32] <tuxic1> i wanted to see if it would say like ubuntu operator or something
[20:32] <PriceChild> tuxic1, completely unrelated, what's your nick on ubuntuforums.org ?
[20:32] <tuxic1> tux.ice
[20:32] <ompaul> tuxic1,  not a hope, you were just removed from another place what do you expect the same latitude in a busy support channel, it would never function if there was not a much heavier line taken in there
[20:33] <ompaul> tuxic1, well - you had !botabuse
[20:33] <ompaul> you had been informed to /msg the bot
[20:33] <ompaul> so you don't get any latitude
[20:33] <PriceChild> tuxic1, You were given *multiple* warnings that your behaviour was not accepted. You were suggested to msg the bot in private.
[20:33] <ompaul> on that
[20:33] <tuxic1> but its the -offtopic forum
[20:33] <PriceChild> tuxic1, you were *NOT* banned from the forums. I have given you a 1 point infraction which long expired ago. It requires 15 to ban you.
[20:33] <ompaul> tuxic1, we don't mind people joining the community, but they do so on its terms, not abusing or trolling
[20:33] <tuxic1> **irc client srry
[20:33] <ompaul> others is a good way to behave in this situation
[20:34] <ompaul> Cpudan80, is there anything else we can help with?
[20:34] <Cpudan80> Not at the moment
[20:35] <ompaul> tuxic1, you said you read the guidelines and the CoC
[20:35] <tuxic1> yes......
[20:35] <LjL> PriceChild: hey, i think we should adopt that point system too.
[20:35] <ompaul> tuxic1, do you think that your behaviour was suitable in the light of that
[20:35] <LjL> wait, that was a broken part of my brain speaking... i DON'T think so.
[20:35] <ompaul> LjL, what 1 point
[20:35] <ompaul> bye
[20:36] <tuxic1> not really no
[20:36] <PriceChild> LjL, hehe... we obviously give more for more serious things.. 10 points puts them on moderation. We can also stop them expiring etc.
[20:37] <LjL> PriceChild: well i'd be fine with 1 point each kick and 10 points a ban, i'd just have to kick 10 time. which is fun.
[20:37] <ompaul> tuxic1, ok so what kind of a commitment can we expect from you in relation to not annoying other users?
[20:37] <tuxic1> i wont annymore
[20:39] <ompaul> tuxic1, a piece of advice, if you are asked to cool it, or not do something don't do it
[20:39] <PriceChild> tuxic1, still think ompaul was wrong to ban you?
[20:39] <tuxic1> from one chat no, from both, yes
[20:40] <PriceChild> even though you seemed to be doing the same thing in both?
[20:40] <tuxic1> but still
[20:40] <tuxic1> had i commited the same act 3 times in one chat?
[20:41] <ompaul> tuxic1, regard all #ubuntu space as being the one channel
[20:41] <ompaul> tuxic1, now answer the question again in light of this
[20:41] <tuxic1> ok one more unrelated question. why cant a user open up a #ubuntu channel if its empty such as #ubuntu-bob
[20:41] <PriceChild> tuxic1, do you think we should have waited for the 3rd time in the second channel if you'd already done it once?
[20:41] <ikonia> Tm_T: can you give him a prod please.
[20:42] <tuxic1> or #ubuntu-help
[20:42] <tuxic1> a prod?
[20:42] <ikonia> Tm_T: any change of a ban on that
[20:42] <ompaul> tuxic1, freenode rules - #ubuntu-* is owned by the people who own #ubuntu
[20:42] <ikonia> < FLUxXxX> f*you.
[20:42] <ikonia>  FLUxXxX [n=root@89.136.171.229] has left #ubuntu []
[20:42] <Tm_T> caaaaaaaaaaant
[20:42] <Tm_T> blast
[20:43] <ikonia> Tm_T: I see your well ahead of me, thanks
[20:43] <tuxic1> ok so if i owned #bob anything #bob-* is also mine?
[20:43] <LjL> no
[20:43] <ikonia> heads on on roy back
[20:43] <Tm_T> ikonia: yu, but I can't do any bans in there :(
[20:43] <PriceChild> tuxic1, please go to freenode and read about groups
[20:43] <LjL> tuxic1: i refer you to www.freenode.net
[20:43] <tuxic1> ok back on topic
[20:43] <ompaul> PriceChild, you have a sense of humour, I'll give you that ;-)
[20:44] <ompaul> PriceChild, vis your last removal :)
[20:44] <ikonia> ompaul: PriceChild  heads up
[20:44] <ikonia> oooh your there
[20:44] <ompaul> ikonia,
[20:44] <ikonia> never mind
[20:44] <ompaul> k
[20:45] <PriceChild> tuxic1, ok well I've gone over the logs and I believe that all kicks and both bans were warranted. I suggest you read the guidelines until you realise what you did wrong.
[20:46] <tuxic1> i realize what ive done wrong
[20:46] <PriceChild> But until now you have been debating it.
[20:46] <PriceChild> The bans will not be lifted at this time.
[20:47] <tuxic1> if were talking about all #ubuntu-* eing one big chat then he had full right to ban me.
[20:47] <tuxic1> **being
[20:48] <PriceChild> you still don't realise what you've done wrong...
[20:48] <tuxic1> i do ive violated bot abuse and gotten a bad attitude on the -offtopic forum
[20:49] <LjL> which is a channel
[20:49] <Tm_T> channel, not forum :)
[20:49] <PriceChild> tuxic1, and so you've been banned.
[20:49] <tuxic1> srry
[20:49] <tuxic1> channel
[20:49] <tuxic1> **
[20:49] <PriceChild> you then started the same in #ubuntu, and were banned
[20:50] <Tm_T> someone ban randomtime!
[20:50] <tuxic1> so anyone can say !botabuse and so it is true?
[20:50] <Tm_T> tuxic1: no
[20:50] <PriceChild> Tm_T, ?
[20:51] <Tm_T> I can't ban
[20:51] <Tm_T> in #ubuntu that ias
[20:51] <Tm_T> is
[20:51] <PriceChild> where?
[20:51] <tuxic1> but i only did it twice in -ubuntuofftopic and once in ubuntu and got banned from both
[20:51] <Jack_Sparrow> [12:48] <Randomtime> try rm - rf /    in ubuntu
[20:51] <PriceChild> thanks
[20:51] <Tm_T> sorry I'm bit off here
[20:52] <ikonia> the boys are on it
[20:52] <ikonia> panic not
[20:52] <ompaul> PriceChild, I am letting noor back
[20:52] <Tm_T> also quite gone ->
[20:52] <ompaul> had a chat with him
[20:52] <ompaul> hands where held very high
[20:53] <PriceChild> ompaul, ok
[20:56] <PriceChild> tuxic1, so, is there anything else I can help you with?
[20:56] <tuxic1> not really
[20:56] <PriceChild> Come back in a week or so and we can talk about it again
[20:59] <ompaul> tuxic1, if there is nothing else, please read the topic for this channel, the command /topic will make it visible to you
[21:02] <ikonia> heads up, I think I've got an old troll baiting me under a different nick
[21:02] <ikonia> EgonStork
[21:03] <ikonia> a guy under another nick was trying to bait me and saying I was calling all users idiots because I didn't advise them to build custom kernels
[21:03] <LjL> ompaul: and you are banned
[21:03] <LjL> ban evading
[21:04] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[21:04] <LjL> naudiz/egonstork
[21:04] <ompaul> ya
[21:04] <ompaul> well that is known but we action what we action
[21:04] <LjL> banned as naudiz!*@*!#ubuntu-ops
[21:04] <ikonia> yes, that was him
[21:04] <PriceChild> LjL, that guy isn't trying to speak a language
[21:04] <PriceChild> naudiz rings a bell
[21:04] <ikonia> he was making thing up that I didn't say
[21:05] <ikonia> eg: posting "<ikonia> all users are idiots, and dick heads"
[21:05] <PriceChild> ikonia, hmmmmm I don't know who believe...
[21:05] <ikonia> to make it look like I said things
[21:05] <LjL> PriceChild, i think he is. russian with KOI-8 encoding methinks
[21:05] <PriceChild> that logs is pretty convincing
[21:05] <ikonia> PriceChild: ????
[21:05] <ikonia> PriceChild: are you serious ?
[21:05] <PriceChild> ikonia, no :)
[21:05] <ikonia> thank god
[21:05] <ikonia> </phew>
[21:05] <ikonia> ahhh so you have seen the logs of the old conversation
[21:05] <ikonia> ok, cool
[21:05] <ikonia> nasty bit of work
[21:06] <ompaul> ikonia, if you see someone doing that kind of approach give a yell in here
[21:06] <PriceChild> I haven't seen logs :)
[21:06] <ikonia> ompaul: hence the yell "heads up - I've got a troll baiting me"
[21:06] <ikonia> ;)
[21:06] <ompaul> btw there is another classic troll - I want support for breezy - you telling me I can't have it
[21:06] <ikonia> PriceChild: ahh, in that case "thank you"
[21:09] <PriceChild> LjL, i was gonna just remove to disappoint him
[21:09] <LjL> heh
[21:20] <PriceChild> Hey Elidix, how can I help?
[21:21] <Elidix> I wanted to take a look around only, thanks anyways :)
[21:22] <PriceChild> Elidix, how did you find this channel?
[21:23] <jpatrick> PriceChild: I told someone to come here to get a cloak, she saw it :)
[21:23] <PriceChild> jpatrick, who needs a cloak?
[21:24] <PriceChild> and thanks :)
[21:24] <jpatrick> PriceChild: rouzic, but he has yet to /join
[21:29] <PriceChild> LjL, wanna set irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com as the contact address for ubuntu-irc-council on launchpad?
[21:30] <PriceChild> oh wait i can do it
[21:31] <PriceChild> oh wait, no need to change that one
[22:03] <ompaul> PriceChild, ping
[22:04] <PriceChild> ompaul, pong
[22:04] <ompaul> pm
[22:05] <ompaul> he has pinged me
[23:08] <DrDerek> -_- comeback LjL...
[23:10] <LjL> say what?