2016/07/05/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

[03:43] <qengho> fg
[04:01] <qengho> So, I'm flipping chromium to use more recent debhelper, which REALLY wants me to use dh_strip differently and make dbgsym packages. I'm trying to figure those out. How do those workk with PPAs?
[04:08] <qengho> Should I kill the old -dbg packages immediately? Is that a requirement?
[04:10]  * qengho lunch
[04:30] <hikiko> Hi
[04:56] <robert_ancell> qengho, I'm pretty sure -dbg is dead now that Debian has started using -dbgsym
[05:06] <RAOF> qengho: I believe that PPAs get dbgsym packages built for them (or possibly you can opt-in for them?)
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[06:07] <qengho> RAOF: PPAs don't have it by default, but an owner can turn it on in PPA +edit.
[06:08] <qengho> RAOF: I keep wanting to type "ROUS". :(
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[06:19] <ROUS> Hah! ROUS is already registered :)
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[06:23] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <Laney> ahoy
[07:50] <willcooke> Trevinho, hikiko - morning.  Is there a way to force U7 in to low gfx mode?  So we don't rely on it detecting missing features?
[07:50] <willcooke> morning Laney
[07:51] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke, pitti :)
[07:51] <hikiko> yes
[07:51] <hikiko> willcooke, you do this:
[07:51] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:51] <hikiko> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
[07:51] <hikiko> and you start u7 from that terminal
[07:51] <hikiko> or!
[07:51] <pitti> hey Laney and willcooke, bonjour didrocks ! how are you guys?
[07:51] <hikiko> you run ccsm
[07:51] <hikiko> and in unityshell plugin settings
[07:51]  * pitti waves to hikiko too
[07:52] <hikiko> you select the low gfx mode
[07:52] <hikiko> hi pitti didrocks Laney :D
[07:53] <hikiko> willcooke, last option in General unityshell
[07:53] <hikiko> but if you want to check the new features, better open a terminal and run:
[07:54] <hikiko> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
[07:54] <hikiko> unity --replace ccp&
[07:54] <hikiko> I don't know if they are merged already though
[07:55] <Laney> hey pitti willcooke didrocks hikiko!
[07:55] <Laney> the dream team
[07:55] <Laney> today it is raining
[07:55] <hikiko> how is south africa?
[07:56] <Laney> but I'm grrrrrrrrreat!
[07:56] <hikiko> do you have winter there?
[07:56] <Laney> "winter"
[07:56] <Laney> you'd think it was the worst weather on earth from what people were saying before we came
[07:56] <Laney> but yesterday it was 23
[07:56] <hikiko> lol
[07:56] <willcooke> thanks hikiko, perfect
[07:56] <Laney> cheese and wine party last night
[07:56] <pitti> Laney: just as Europe starts getting real summer..
[07:56] <Laney> me and ximion plotted the new appstream generator
[07:57] <pitti> Laney: ooh, nice! any SA specialities?
[07:57] <Laney> lots!
[07:57] <Laney> import regulations meant that you couldn't really bring cheese in
[07:57] <Laney> so it was mostly SA stuff
[07:57] <Laney> salty stuff, soft stuff, hard stuff, herby stuff
[07:57] <Laney> biltong-y things from various animals
[07:57] <pitti> they have a quarantine on food?
[07:58] <Laney> and some shady home brewed spirits from attendees
[07:58] <Laney> :)
[07:58] <pitti> haha
[07:58] <pitti> Laney: Salmiaki again? I still remember that from last year
[07:58] <Laney> didn't see that this time sadly
[07:59] <pitti> maybe better
[07:59] <Laney> there were 3 homebrewed bottles of rakia
[07:59] <Laney> labelled 30%, 50%, 70%
[07:59] <pitti> "so, we have this really complicated bug in the appstream gen... ah screw it, more salmiakki!"
[07:59]  * Laney only tried the middle one which was hardcore enough for me
[07:59] <Laney> it's "how could you do this for PPAs / bikesheds?"
[07:59] <pitti> Laney: the 70% is the one you need several mugs for to carry it around, right?
[08:00] <Laney> mugs of painkillers for the next day
[08:01] <Laney> pitti: so, summer you say?
[08:02] <Laney> http://www.bbc.com/weather/ng5 h[D"mm"
[08:02] <Laney> oops
[08:03] <didrocks> Laney: was it as good as cheese and wine from last year? :)
[08:03] <Laney> didrocks: not as late, not as much headache the next morning :)
[08:03] <Laney> but no didrocks, so obviously it was way worse
[08:04] <didrocks> :p
[08:09] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:10] <Trevinho> willcooke: forcing the low gfx mode... Easy.
[08:10] <hikiko> willcooke, also if you need the lowgfx from the beginning maybe ctrl+alt+f1, login, export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1, systemctl restart lightdm.service
[08:13] <Trevinho> willcooke: I wanted to write it in the mail, but with the landing PPA, just add this
[08:13] <Trevinho> cat ~/.config/upstart/pre-unity7.conf
[08:13] <Trevinho> start on starting unity7
[08:13] <Trevinho> stop on desktop-end
[08:13] <Trevinho> pre-start script
[08:13] <Trevinho>  initctl set-env -g UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE=1
[08:13] <Trevinho> end script
[08:13] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[08:14] <Trevinho> or setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 should be the same
[08:18] <andyrock> morning all
[08:23] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.disable-shadows-lowgfx/+merge/299111
[08:23] <hikiko> good morning andyrock
[08:23] <hikiko> I disabled the shadows in low gfx
[08:27] <hikiko> ...
[08:27] <hikiko> you renamed the GetLowGfxMode()?
[08:27] <hikiko> :/
[08:28] <hikiko> I have to merge it to Trevinho's branch I guess?
[08:28] <andyrock> hikiko: yep
[08:28] <hikiko> okie
[08:28] <andyrock> do we really need to disable them
[08:28] <andyrock> ?
[08:29] <hikiko> well, we skip filling the shadow textures
[08:29] <hikiko> I don't know
[08:29] <hikiko> I'd disable them in low gfx
[08:30] <andyrock> oki
[08:30] <hikiko> andyrock, we can always make it configurable later
[08:35] <seb128> good morning desktopers (sorry a bit late, did some offline work and then had to go for some errands)
[08:36] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:36] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:40] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:42] <seb128> salut pitti
[08:42] <seb128> how are things around?
[08:43] <pitti> seb128: quite well, thanks! I'm slowly understanding NM config :)
[08:43] <seb128> our new NM maintainer!
[08:44] <pitti> user, my friend, user! :-)
[08:45] <seb128> lol
[08:53] <Trevinho> hikiko: I'm not sure disabling them all is fine. In my unity low gfx branch I've already reduced them a lot.
[08:53] <Trevinho> hikiko: have you tired the ppa?
[08:53] <hikiko> Trevinho, why not completely remove them?
[08:54] <hikiko> It doesn't look bad without
[08:54] <Trevinho> hikiko: it's hard to discern windows
[08:54] <Trevinho> As we've no borders
[08:55] <Trevinho> I've reduced them a lot... It shouldn't be expensive
[08:55] <hikiko> ok
[08:56] <seb128> hey Trevinho hikiko
[08:56] <hikiko> hi seb128
[08:56] <Trevinho> seb128: hi Sebastian!
[08:57] <seb128> Trevinho, *ien*
[08:57] <seb128> ;-)
[08:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ups, sorry :-P
[08:58] <seb128> no worry!
[09:02] <alexarnaud> Dear seb128, Trevinho, willcooke, didrocks and all :) !
[09:02] <seb128> lut alexarnaud
[09:03] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: hey
[09:10] <didrocks> hey alexarnaud
[09:30] <ksamak> alexarnaud: hoy XD
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[11:30] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney: if you want check the deb changes and publish, feel free https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1619 ;-)
[11:32] <seb128> Trevinho, you removed gnome-settings-daemon as an alternative in the upstart job, is that wanted? it's not documented in the changelog
[11:36] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, it's not needed for ages...
[11:36] <Trevinho> seb128: there's even an upstart job for it AFAIK
[11:37] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, I'm not saying it's an issue, I just don't like unrelated changes to be sneaked in without being mentioned in the changelog
[11:37] <seb128> anyway not a blocked for landing
[11:37] <seb128> but you are going to need to do without that one in the SRU or at least explain in the changelog that it's wanted and the rational
[11:38] <seb128> Trevinho, should I press publish then?
[11:38] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, yeah... changelog is sometimes too short for infos :-)
[11:38] <seb128> there is no limitations there
[11:38] <Trevinho> seb128: if you believe so... :-)
[11:39] <seb128> Trevinho, k, publishing pressed
[11:42] <willcooke>  Trevinho can I find out if low gfx mode is on by doing a "echo $UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE"
[11:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: what you mean=?
[11:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: but... No, in case it's set you can't get by that if done with auto-detection
[11:44] <seb128> vag
[11:44] <seb128> bah
[11:44] <willcooke> Trevinho, how can I find out if Unity has decided to enable low gfx mode if I haven't forced it
[11:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: it's $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu-lowgfx
[11:45] <willcooke> nice one, thanks Trevinho
[11:45] <seb128> why does it say publishing failed?
[11:45] <Trevinho> seb128: mh
[11:45] <Trevinho> let me check
[11:45] <seb128> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-002-2-publish/2/console
[11:45] <seb128> says success
[11:45] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe because Automated Signoff 	Failed
[11:45] <seb128> ah
[11:45] <seb128>  2016-07-05 13:42:38 +0200 (britney-bot) britney_signoff: Failed
[11:46] <Trevinho> seb128: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1619/landing-002-yakkety/excuses.html
[11:46] <seb128> it's stll building on armhf
[11:46] <seb128> did you just retry it?
[11:46] <seb128> shrug
[11:46] <seb128> it landed anyway
[11:46] <Trevinho> mh, no I didn't retry
[11:46] <seb128> it's on yakkety-changes
[11:47] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe it has to publish debs ?
[11:47] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.5.0+16.10.20160705.4-0ubuntu1
[11:47] <seb128> dunno but it's retrying build
[11:47] <seb128> so let's see
[11:47] <Trevinho> willcooke: do you want me to prepare a ppa too?
[11:47] <Trevinho> willcooke: for xenial, I mean... although it's coming in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-063/+packages
[11:47] <Trevinho> but it might be temporary
[11:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, I can wait
[11:51] <willcooke> I can test on a Y VM
[11:53] <Trevinho> willcooke: ok good
[11:53] <Trevinho> willcooke: the xenial ppa should be reeady though
[11:54] <willcooke> thx Trevinho
[11:54] <Trevinho> willcooke: if you don't want me to do a copy of it
[11:54] <Trevinho> but that should last for the whole SRU process, so not just few days
[11:54] <willcooke> sounds good
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[12:14] <willcooke> doh.  I installed lubuntu
[12:18] <seb128> snap version?
[12:18] <willcooke> nah, for my vm to test the speed ups
[12:18] <seb128> oh, k
[12:29] <Trevinho> willcooke: sru packages should be built for xenial too
[12:29] <willcooke> Trevinho, that was quick, thanks
[12:37] <willcooke> bah, looks like 16.10 daily is broken.  segfault in dpkg I think
[12:37] <willcooke> seb128, anything I should do before blowing it away and trying again? ^  (I can't seem to get to vty1)
[12:42] <seb128> willcooke, hum, I don't know sorry
[12:42] <willcooke> seb128, np
[12:43] <seb128> there was a buggy dpkg uploaded yesterday but it was fixed in the morning
[12:43] <seb128> unsure if that's the bug you are seeing
[12:48] <Trevinho> willcooke: are you going to test the xenial SRU silo or should I?
[12:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, just about to test on a VM, but if you would test as well that would be good
[12:49] <seb128> I'm going to give it a try as well
[12:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, with your upstart script I still couldn't force low_gfx mode
[12:50] <seb128> Trevinho, the armhf build retry on yakkety worked!
[12:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: you speak of Xenial or yakkety?
[12:51] <Trevinho> seb128: nice
[12:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, Xenial
[12:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: Mh, weird it didn't work... What you get in upstart unity7. Log?
[12:52] <willcooke> Trevinho, just updating this machine, sec
[12:52] <willcooke> hm, that said - I'm not seeing blur behind the dash, so maybe it is working
[12:53] <seb128> what made you say it's not working? expecting greater difference?
[12:55] <willcooke> seb128, when I echo $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE it says "ubuntu" not "ubuntu-lowgfx"
[12:56] <seb128> where/how did you change/set it?
[12:56] <seb128> or I guess you are trying in a vm and you expect it to autowork?
[12:56] <Trevinho> mhmh
[12:56] <willcooke> via the upstart script T_revinho posted (at 09:13 BST)
[12:56] <seb128> what vm/do you have 3d there?
[12:56] <Trevinho> willcooke: is it running? Add an echo on it to verify
[12:57] <willcooke> seb128, it's a virtualbox vm
[12:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, sorry, does not compute.  Add the echo where?
[13:00] <Trevinho> willcooke: to the upstart job you added in ~/.config/upstart
[13:01] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah, but where in there?  just inside the script section?  And where does it get logged to?
[13:02] <Trevinho> willcooke: yes, inside the script. output will go in ~/.cache/upstart/name-of-the-conf-file.log
[13:03] <willcooke> Trevinho, oki, done.  Can I just restart lightdm to make it run?
[13:03] <willcooke> ls
[13:03] <willcooke> oops
[13:03] <Trevinho> willcooke: restarting lightdm is saner as a test
[13:03]  * Trevinho tries this in his 2nd laptop too
[13:04] <willcooke> Trevinho, oki, I see the output in the log
[13:04] <willcooke> s/output/echo
[13:05] <willcooke> but
[13:05] <Trevinho> willcooke: anything from unity7.log instead?
[13:06] <willcooke> Trevinho, nothing about low gfx - and just in case I'm making things very confusing for you, I haven *not* install the silo yet - I want to do some benchmarking first
[13:08] <seb128> confusing
[13:09] <seb128> it's normal the profile says "ubuntu" if you don't have the silo
[13:09] <seb128> the lowgfx profile is a new one added in that silo
[13:09] <willcooke> there we go
[13:09] <seb128> current archive version turns off some effects but doesn't have a special profile
[13:09] <willcooke> so my original question remains then :)  How can I tell if non-silo Unity has decided to enable low gfx mode or not?
[13:10] <seb128> just benchmark what you see and try upgrade ;-)
[13:10] <seb128> ah
[13:10] <seb128> unsure if we write that info anywhere
[13:10] <seb128> Trevinho probably knows if we do though
[13:10] <willcooke> so probably looking at the dash blur is as good as anything then?
[13:10] <seb128> yes
[13:11] <willcooke> cool, thanks seb128
[13:11] <seb128> yw!
[13:11] <Trevinho> willcooke: the profile that has been chosen is visible in the unity7.log or in the variable
[13:11] <Trevinho> willcooke: also the unity7.log will show the unity support test results
[13:12] <Trevinho> anyway, SRU ppa works fine in my testing machine too, so... I'd approve that and go through the process
[13:13] <seb128> Trevinho, the question was if/how we can tell if the current xenial version is optimizing for lowgfx
[13:13] <seb128> no specific profile there
[13:15] <Trevinho> seb128: if there are animations or shadows, then it's using the old one
[13:15] <Trevinho> shadows on windows..
[13:15] <Trevinho> the one in the panel is still the same
[13:15] <Trevinho> or the switcher detail...
[13:15] <seb128> Trevinho, "old one"?
[13:16] <Trevinho> seb128: the one not optimized :)
[13:16] <seb128> k
[13:16] <seb128> I think you don't understand the question
[13:17] <seb128> though the question is probably not important
[13:17] <seb128> it was basically "if I use current trusty/xenial there are some lowgfx optimization done, how can one tell if that kicked in or not"
[13:27] <willcooke> installed!
[13:27] <willcooke> feels snappier
[13:32] <Trevinho> seb128: eh, there's no programmatic way, you can tell that by the fact that dash and other views are opaque and not blurred
[13:32] <desrt> willcooke: placebo effect =)
[13:33] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for confirming, that's what we assumed ;-)
[13:33] <Trevinho> yeah, sorry... I misread the questions :)
[13:33] <seb128> no worry
[13:34] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, it feels nicer here, still slower than native rendering but at least you don't have the skipping frames feeling
[13:35] <seb128> opening the dash is nicer
[13:35] <seb128> before you could see like 10 steps jumping
[13:35] <seb128> now there is no lag
[13:36] <muktupavels> Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/lp1530277/+merge/299156
[13:36] <seb128> hikiko, Trevinho, good work!
[13:36] <Trevinho> yeah, animations are off now
[13:37] <Trevinho> muktupavels: does that needs a FIXME comment to? I mean, isn't this a way to say that there's no support for scaling yet?
[13:38] <Trevinho> seb128, willcooke: if you want to see how real sw rendering works there you can instead export the LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 var
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[13:39] <muktupavels> Trevinho: well this does require more work to add full HiDPI support, but it will be enough to get Metacity themes working.
[13:39] <Trevinho> muktupavels: ok, add some comments about that then
[13:40] <muktupavels> what do you want to see in comment? Mutter and Metacity use same thing, that line will remain there... So fixme comment sound wrong - it will not get removed.
[13:42] <Trevinho> seb128, willcooke: also for resizing I've moved back to the rectangle mode... I've tried the normal mode here, and it's still quite fast, but maybe it's better to be conservative, and in case people could use the normal one. What you think?
[13:42] <muktupavels> Trevinho: gtk-window-decorator probably will need something similar to this - https://git.gnome.org/browse/metacity/commit/?id=e6cf7fd3f8edd74eadf38ff0ccf326817605850c
[13:44] <muktupavels> Trevinho: same or similar commant like in this commit -https://git.gnome.org/browse/metacity/commit/?id=a1b96fd6a8ff7187297f6ae2051b33cdb176c5d4 ?
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, I saw that, real time resizing isn't too laggy here but is a bit so unsure, looks fine with the rectangle one
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: here too isn't laggy... But not sure that's because I've powerful machines
[13:48] <seb128> mine is a 6 years old i5
[13:48] <seb128> which is quite slow for nowadays standards
[13:48] <seb128> but it's not a netbook
[13:50] <seb128> hum
[13:52] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, unsure if that's a regression or a problem in my vm but I activated the workspaces in u-c-c appaerance and I don't get the icon in the launcher nor extra workspace when trying to ctrl-alt-direction
[13:52] <Trevinho> mmhmh
[13:52] <Trevinho> seb128: in low-gfx mode?
[13:53] <seb128> yes
[13:53] <seb128> could be a bug not having to do with the profile
[13:53] <seb128> it's a vm so I didn't try the high-gfx mode
[13:54] <willcooke> sorry, was in a meeting, reading
[13:55] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I guess it has to do with profile...
[13:55]  * Trevinho prepares a patch for UCC
[13:55] <Trevinho> it has to read the profile in use
[13:55] <Trevinho> I didn't think about that....
[13:56] <Trevinho> So, yeah.. i guess we need to read the env, and fallback to unity if not defined
[13:56]  * Trevinho tried that only from ccsm -_-
[13:56] <seb128> we can't have workspace in lowgfx?
[13:58] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, but ucc is changing the setttings in the wrong profile
[13:58] <Trevinho> seb128: I wonder you can't change also the launcher size from ccsm
[13:58] <seb128> going to some errands, back in half an hour
[13:58] <seb128> Trevinho, can't you change it in the current profile?
[13:59] <seb128> I guess that's your patch you want to do?
[13:59] <seb128> get the current profile and write there
[13:59] <seb128> btw that's what we said during the call
[13:59] <Trevinho> seb128: yes
[13:59] <seb128> having different profile leads to that class of issues
[13:59] <willcooke> Trevinho, @ rectangle - +1 to keep it like that
[13:59] <Trevinho> I know
[13:59] <willcooke> i.e. keep rectangle mode on in low gfx
[14:00] <Trevinho> seb128: of course we could keep track of the previous profile and sync in case, but imho it's too hassle
[14:00] <Trevinho> seb128: fixing ucc is easy though
[14:00] <seb128> right
[14:00] <seb128> unity tweaks as well? ;-)
[14:00] <seb128> dunno what they are doing
[14:00] <seb128> anyway need to jump out for a bit
[14:00] <seb128> brb
[14:30] <Trevinho> seb128: once you're back... fix for that is in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1635 (see related MP)
[14:35] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, please fix commit message on https://code.launchpad.net/~lathiat/unity-control-center/lp1304388/+merge/297137, I've not the powers
[14:48] <Trevinho> seb128: prepared also the SRU branch (after syncing and creating a 16.04 branch, that you should mark as default for the milestone): https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-control-center/x-sru3/+merge/299174
[14:48] <seb128> Trevinho, back, looking
[15:30] <seb128> hum?
[15:30] <willcooke> ding ding
[15:30] <willcooke> meeting time
[15:30] <qengho> oh hai
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (out), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (conference), hikiko, laney (conference), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:31] <FJKong> hey
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:33] <willcooke> I have andyrock's notes so lets' start
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
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[15:33] <willcooke> # DONE:
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1595698] Panel requires click+hold on secondary monitor to access menus
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1578792] nautilus/files doesn't show up in the launcher when unpinned
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- Fix Unity Compile Failure with pch disabled
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1597706] Unity shell not drawn if show desktop is activated
[15:33] <willcooke> and a window is in fullscreen mode
[15:33] <willcooke> # WIP:
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1575452] Copy/move dialog cannot be switched to
[15:33] <willcooke> # OTHERS:
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- Bug triaging
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- Code reviews
[15:33] <willcooke> [BUG:1599133] Blinking file manager icon when opening a device/volume window .
[15:33] <willcooke> done ^
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
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[15:34] <attente> finished the menu patches and submitted them upstream for review
[15:34] <attente> doing some patch review of anpok's gtk-mir patches
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> nicely done attente, thanks!
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
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[15:36] <willcooke> desrt, we'll come back round
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
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[15:36] <FJKong> hi
[15:36] <FJKong> finish some translation bug for MeiZu phone and still on processing bug#1588646 bug 1588675 1588660
[15:36] <willcooke> oops, I missed you dgadomski, will come back
[15:36] <ubot5> bug 1588675 in Canonical System Image ""Search location" and" Location " is not translated into Chinese." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588675
[15:36] <FJKong> review bug#1534492 Can't use fcitx for Chinese with QtCreator Edit
[15:36] <FJKong> tracing sogou IM indicator loading crash
[15:36] <FJKong> of
[15:36] <FJKong> e
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks FJKong, did your phone arrive from Boston?
[15:37] <FJKong> not yet
[15:37] <FJKong> I send email to Nancy
[15:37] <willcooke> oki thanks, let me know if it's still not there
[15:37] <FJKong> ok
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
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[15:37] <dgadomski> hey, this week in the desktop area it's just:
[15:37] <dgadomski> * found a bug #1598183, reported upstream, working on fixing it
[15:37] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <ubot5> bug 1598183 in gvfs "Operation not permitted while writing to symlinked fuse locations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598183
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
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[15:38] <willcooke> Are you around happyaron?  I am assuming not
[15:38] <willcooke> 30s timeout...
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
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[15:39] <willcooke> * fixes for low gfx mode
[15:39] <willcooke> * reviews for low gfx mode
[15:39] <willcooke> * oem documents
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
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[15:39] <willcooke> are you around Laney ?
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
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[15:40] <qengho> Hi hi hi!
[15:40] <qengho> - Cr deb housekeeping:
[15:40] <qengho> -- Syncing much of Debian's Cr package to Ubuntu. Use more system libs, gold lin
[15:40] <qengho> ker, maybe not component build any more.
[15:40] <qengho> -- debhelper compat update and move to dbgsym packages, killing dbg.
[15:40] <qengho> - Finish debugging RPi Cr SEGV crash.
[15:40] <qengho> - Finish Cr snap package.
[15:40] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:41] <qengho> :)
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic seb128
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[15:41] <seb128> can I pretend to not be around like everybody else? :-p
[15:41] <willcooke> :)
[15:41] <seb128> • some xenial SRUs for .1 (update-notifier, gnome-menus, sponsored gtk+, reviewed unity-settings-daemon)
[15:41] <seb128> • interviews
[15:41] <seb128> • debugged snappy/gtk (cleaned up the common launcher) & qt (icons & menus missing) issues with d_idrocks
[15:41] <seb128> • started on the unity8 MIRs (building list, triaged it, pinged some people, filed some bugs)
[15:41] <seb128> some more snapping debugging/experimenting
[15:42] <seb128> that took most of my start of week but I didn't note down specifics, sorry
[15:42] <seb128> looking at gvfs and xim
[15:42] <seb128> </week>
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
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[15:42] <Sweet5hark> - more snap work: l10n, moved to plugins
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> - security: CVE-2016-4324 was a pain
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> - getting rcs in share for yakkety
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
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[15:43] <willcooke> * Upgraded to yakkety.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Built and installed latest snapd from xenial-proposed for yakkety... Why is snapd not being updated for yakkety in lockstep with xenial?
[15:43] <willcooke> * Finally got my first slightly complicated snap working, after a little help from reading other snaps and a derp on my part... Now onto another slightly complicated one, that will use the new optical-drive plug.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Prepped to get PulseAudio 9.0 into yakkety, just waiting for the latest NMU version to appear in the debian archive before I can merge and upload.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Snaps completed so far: flac (not uploaded anywhere yet), vorbis-tools (slightly complicated, but all seems ok so far).
[15:43] <willcooke> * Next snaps on my agenda: cdparanoia (CD ripping library and tools)
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
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[15:44] <seb128> TheMuso, "Why is snapd not being updated for yakkety in lockstep with xenial?" ... wdym? it is
[15:44] <seb128> it's blocked in yakkety-proposed though
[15:44] <seb128> you should know about proposed by now ;-)
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
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[15:45] <Trevinho> · Released compiz 0.9.13
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Using triggers noawait in bamf
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Created unity-lowgfx compiz config profile
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Rewritten compiz damage code to use C++ vectors
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Improved unity_support_test to consider llvmpipe as software rendering
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Updated unity7 upstart job to use appropriate profile depending on graphic support
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Fixed unity-control-center to change settings in current compiz profile
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Landed (almost) new compiz, bamf, nux and unity
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Created xenial branches for Nux, Compiz and UCC
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Prepared SRU branches and landing silo for BAMF, compiz, libunity, unity, unity-control-center, unity-lens-applications and nux
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Various reviews for unity and compiz
[15:45] <Trevinho>   /EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho :)
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
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[15:46] <willcooke> - Landed Ubuntu review / snap authentication upstream
[15:46] <willcooke> - Worked on paid snap support
[15:46] <willcooke> - General GNOME Software fixes
[15:46] <willcooke> - snapd bug filing and attempting to fix issues myself
[15:46] <willcooke> - Prep for snap sprint
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
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[15:46] <willcooke> Not sure what happened to tkamppeter or desrt today - please let me have your updates by email.
[15:46] <willcooke> let's wrap.
[15:46] <willcooke> #endmeeting
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[15:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul  5 15:46:58 2016 UTC.
[15:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-07-05-15.30.moin.txt
[15:47] <seb128> or happyaron or Laney
[15:47]  * Trevinho can go to the beach now :-P
[15:47] <seb128> those people are conf not sending their summary!
[15:48] <tkamppeter> Sorry, here I am:
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Started work on a new filter for text-only printers, in C (to be able to read the PPD) and with more useful PPD options.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Printer Drivers as Snaps: Hangout meeting with Gustavo Niemeyer, Zygmunt Krynicki, Jamie Strandboge about how to snap printer drivers. Conclusion: Snap CUPS first and let driver snaps be plug-ins for the CUPS snap. Possible side effect CUPS as snapped core system component can lead others to snap other core system components and make distros totally modular.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - LSB SRU for Epsin printer drivers made it into Xenial. Finally.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students through their projects
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:49] <tkamppeter> willcooke, will send it to you by e-mail, too.
[15:50] <willcooke> tkamppeter, no worries - thats fine, thanks1
[16:24] <seb128> Trevinho, ok, branches reviewed/acked
[16:24] <seb128> on that note going for some exercice
[16:24] <seb128> I'm going to be around a bit more later
[16:25] <seb128> have a nice evening those who call it a day meanwhile
[16:41] <Trevinho> seb128: danke
[20:00] <willcooke> night
[22:27] <TheMuso> seb128: Ugh you're right, I do know about proposed, totally forgot to look there...