2011/06/12/#ubuntu-beginners.txt

[00:33] <Adidas> I have a question about verifying zipped files
[00:33] <Error404NotFound> !ask | Adidas
[00:33] <ubot2> Adidas: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[00:34] <Adidas> apache says to verify the download to ensure the integrity, and it appears that they recommend pgp vs md5
[00:35] <Adidas> but their directions don't mention the actual file that was downloaded. So how does one verify with pgp?
[00:36] <Adidas> Here are the directions I am following http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi#verify
[00:38] <escott> Adidas, you usually verify a gpg signed message containing the md5 sums, although in principle you could do the same with a zip
[00:40] <Error404NotFound> try #ubuntu
[00:42] <escott> Adidas, evidently its just gpg --verify signature.asc datafile.zip
[00:50] <Adidas> escott  I tried the cmd you provided as well as the directions that apache provided. I got "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" even though I downloaded the key and it is in the same directory as the signature file and data file.
[00:51] <escott> Adidas, did you gpg --import KEYS
[00:51] <Adidas> yes, but I got the following
[00:51] <Adidas> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/adidas/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[00:51] <Adidas> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[00:51] <Adidas> gpg: Total number processed: 0
[00:53] <holstein> Adidas: It means that the user you are running GPG as was not the owner of the
[00:53] <holstein> gpg.conf file
[00:54] <holstein> i dont know how far along you are, but if you can just start the process over, or find the proper keys
[00:54] <jimmie> Holstein
[00:54] <jimmie> Just the man
[00:54] <jimmie> My Pendrive and 150GB filesystem appear on the desktop
[00:54] <jimmie> How can I make them go away and leave me alone
[00:55] <holstein> check out http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2182938/gpg-warning-unsafe-ownership-on-configuration-file-gpg-fingerprint-on-ubunt
[00:55] <holstein> Adidas: ^^
[00:55] <Adidas> thanks
[00:55] <Adidas> to both of you
[00:55] <holstein> jimmie: you can just hide all the mounted volumes from showing on the desktop
[00:56] <jimmie> Ah Ok
[00:56] <jimmie> I know how to do that, naturally
[00:56] <holstein> thats somewhere in gconf
[00:56] <jimmie> But say for instance someone didnt, how would they do it?
[00:56] <holstein> jimmie: are you in gnome?
[00:57] <holstein> so, you go can hit alt+F2
[00:57] <holstein> type in..
[00:57] <holstein> gconf-editor
[00:57] <holstein> then, navigate to apps > nautilus > desktop and unclick volumes_visible
[00:57] <holstein> that *should* do it jimmie :)
[00:58] <holstein> you'll still see the volumes in nautilus this way
[01:00] <jimmie> cheers
[01:01] <jimmie> You're a good egg Holstein
[01:01] <holstein> jimmie: :)
[01:03]  * Error404NotFound breaks open holstein and fries him
[01:03]  * holstein says - over easy please ;)
[01:04] <Error404NotFound> now im hungry...
[01:16] <Wesss> Hi all, Anyone know how we can start multiple instance of same program in Unity from launcher (side panel) . I know that the middle mouse buttom works but I have only two buttom mouse. Is there any other option or keyboard short cut ??
[01:17] <escott> Wesss, click with both buttons at once
[01:18] <Wesss> thanks escott - I will test
[01:19] <Wesss> it worked, thanks. cant stop hating unity
[01:19] <escott> !classic | Wesss if its not your thing you can always go back
[01:19] <ubot2> Wesss if its not your thing you can always go back: The default interface in Ubuntu 11.04 is !Unity. To switch back to regular !GNOME: log out, click your username, click the Session box at the bottom of the screen, and select "Ubuntu Classic".
[01:20] <Wesss> ubot2 , I know , but it is just matter of time that they ship it without gnome
[01:20] <ubot2> Wesss: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:20] <holstein> i wish there was a little side note - for 5 more months*
[01:21] <Error404NotFound> lol
[01:21] <holstein> Wesss: you like gnome3?
[01:22] <Wesss> holstin, gnome3 is good even it is little buggy, but on the other hand kde 4 were buggy too at the begining.. Everything is better than unity
[01:22] <holstein> eh, unity'll have some upgrades soon that might entice you back
[01:23] <Wesss> yeah, after 3-4 upgrade on unity we hopefully get our gnome back :-)
[01:23] <holstein> im going to settle in with XFCE :)
[01:23] <holstein> Wesss: nah, gnome2 is gone
[01:23] <holstein> and thats global
[01:24] <holstein> gnome is not supporting gnome2 anymore
[01:24] <Wesss> I made a partition and installed kubuntu today. I didn't had chance too test that for a while since I was happy with gnome 2.x. I am really impressed with kubuntu 11.4,
[01:25] <holstein> yeah, KDE is really nice now
[01:25] <holstein> i dont like it either though
[01:26] <Wesss> hilstein, if the last time you test kde was about kde 3 och 4.0, you really should test this new one
[01:26] <Wesss> great difference
[01:27] <Wesss> unfotunately it doesn't perform well on netbook. so i have to stick with unity there
[01:27] <holstein> nah, ive looked at 4.6, really nice and polished... i just dont like it
[01:33] <Adidas> Argh Okay how often do people verify files with pgp and etc? According to http://httpd.apache.org/dev/verification.html it seems like I need to find some one who knows William A Rowe Jr. Am I just completely misunderstanding all of this or do I literally have to have some face-to-face time with someone who has verified his sig? I am thinking of just using md5 instead.
[01:34] <holstein> Adidas: i think it depends on what you have, and where you got it, and what you plan on doing with it
[01:34] <Adidas> I just wanted to follow the recommendations on Apache's site
[01:34] <holstein> if its a permissions issue, just chown it, but if its something you need to verify the ingerity of, md5 will work :)
[01:34] <Core_UK> whats the best way to back-up before doing upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04?
[01:35] <Core_UK> just copy /home to an external drive?
[01:35] <holstein> Adidas: yeah, but im not sure what you are going for... i have apache, but i dont really do much with it other than put files up
[01:35] <Core_UK> it is encrypted btw using whatever encryption comes with 10.10
[01:35] <holstein> Core_UK: back up as much as you feel comfortable with
[01:36] <holstein> even cloning the install if you want that kind of backup
[01:36] <Core_UK> holstein: I would like to do like a systems settings back, if that makes sense
[01:36] <holstein> Core_UK: /home should do it then
[01:36] <Adidas> holstein: oh no I got passed all of that It turns out I was using sudo when I shouldn't have, and I needed to download the KEY from something like pgpkeys.mit.edu. I think I am just going to use md5
[01:36] <holstein> you should get a list of the installed apps from synaptic or whatever
[01:37] <escott> Core_UK, home disk encryption is accomplished by having a folder .ecryptfs with the encrypted contents and using a mount of the unencrypted contents on top of /home/username you could copy the encrypted .ecryptfs or the unencrypted contents after they get mounted but dont copy both
[01:37] <Adidas> the directions in http://httpd.apache.org/dev/verification.html seem to be overkill for a person just trying to use apache
[01:37] <Core_UK> escott: thank you :)
[01:38] <holstein> Adidas: well, better safe than sorry is a good approach
[01:38] <escott> Core_UK, do verify that the decryption key is included somehow in the .ecryptfs if you copy the encrypted contents
[01:39] <holstein> Adidas: you got apache from the site?
[01:40] <Adidas> Holstein: I have no problems going the distance, but this line kind of cracks me up "A good start to validating a key is by face-to-face communication with multiple government-issued photo identification confirmations"
[01:40] <escott> Adidas, your bank uses apache ;) you want them to be careful
[01:40] <holstein> Adidas: well, thats true
[01:40] <Adidas> Holstein: Yes
[01:40] <holstein> i had a guy talk at our LUG on that, and he said the only way to really know is to ask the guy ;)
[01:41] <holstein> im just not clear on what you are verifying?
[01:41] <Core_UK> how do I save a list of my installed packages? "generate package download script?"
[01:41] <holstein> apache itself?
[01:41] <holstein> Core_UK: ive only ever done that right in synaptic with mixed results... maybe someone else has a better suggestion
[01:42] <Adidas> Holestein & Escott: I definitely agree with you on the lengths to verify this stuff. It is just funny how I never thought of this stuff when I was installing httpd on windows
[01:42] <Core_UK> escott: they key is the password I set or the random chars?
[01:42] <holstein> Adidas: right, but you should
[01:42] <holstein> Adidas: this is to install apache though?
[01:42] <holstein> im just running the one in the repos
[01:43] <escott> Core_UK, I think the key is something longer that is randomly generated and then encrypted with the password, or any other method you like to use to decrypt it
[01:44] <Core_UK> ok escott thanks, I will copy the decypted one I think to avoid issues
[01:46] <Adidas> Holstein: Yes this is just to install apache's web server. I got to the point where I was able to verify the signature, but then I got this message "gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!" Again I don't mind doing this but have either you or escott verified the signature for something with the developer before using it for personal reasons?
[01:46] <holstein> Adidas: why not use the one in the repos?
[01:47] <Adidas> because I am ignorant and not sure what you mean by that? I am assuming checking it out via svn?
[01:47] <holstein> Adidas: nah, theres one in the repos
[01:47] <holstein> and ubuntu should be keeping that up to date
[01:47] <escott> Adidas, thats probably because the KEYS you downloaded from apache are not in turn signed by a person you recognize. the whole web/chain of trust is broken. these are just random keys you downloaded from the apache website from gpg's perspective
[01:48] <holstein> Adidas: otherwise, if you install the way you are, you have to keep up with the updates yourself
[01:48] <holstein> i just run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:49] <holstein> and i have the latest version from the ubuntu repos upgraded
[01:49] <holstein> Adidas: thats usually the prefered method, unless you need an older version for some reason
[01:50] <holstein> which is not a great idea for security reasons
[01:50] <Adidas> Holstein: when you say repos what do you mean? I wish I knew what you meant but then I probably wouldn't be asking these questions
[01:50] <holstein> Adidas: what are you installing this on?
[01:50] <escott> Adidas, he is saying just do apt-get install apache
[01:50] <holstein> ubuntu server?
[01:50] <Adidas> AHHH
[01:50] <holstein> or ubuntu desktop?
[01:50] <Adidas> OK
[01:50] <Adidas> server
[01:51] <holstein> yeah, you can sudo apt-get install apache2
[01:51] <Adidas> this is my lame attempt to get away from windows environment
[01:51] <holstein> sure, but theres even one more big reason to go with linux and thats package management
[01:51] <Adidas> oh of course I have been loving that
[01:52] <Adidas> apt-get install * has been my friend
[01:54] <Adidas> damn that is so sad. Just like that apache is installed.
[01:55] <escott> Adidas, and i thought you were trying to install apache on windows... beware the !xy
[01:55] <holstein> yup, and kept up to date for you automagically
[01:55] <Adidas> !xy?
[01:55] <ubot2> Factoid 'xy?' not found
[01:56] <Adidas> Escott !xy?
[01:56] <escott> Adidas, see #ubuntu
[01:57] <escott> that channels bot seems to know more than this channels
[01:59] <Adidas> I gotcha
[01:59] <Adidas> I can't believe I never got into this earlier.
[02:01] <escott> i bet its the ? at the end !xy
[02:01] <escott> !xy
[02:01] <ubot2> The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned.
[02:02] <escott> ubot2, im sorry i said you were dumber than your brethren
[02:02] <ubot2> escott: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[02:02] <Adidas> LOL
[02:09] <Adidas> ok So new question? How do I get to httpd.conf (apache says its default is /usr/local/apache2 which doesn't exist on my machine)
[02:10] <escott> Adidas, it should be /var/ something
[02:11] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[02:11] <holstein> but, dont XY again.... what are you going for?
[02:12] <holstein> m@prometheus:~$ locate httpd.conf
[02:12] <holstein> /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[02:13] <Adidas> Ok well I am used to having to configure apache to get it to do what I need it to do. For example, I want to install PHP and get a hold of the vhost config file? I am going about this in a wrong way?
[02:13] <escott> Adidas, sudo apt-get install php
[02:14] <Adidas> I should have figured that much at this point
[02:14] <escott> Adidas, the only things you should need to manually configure are those specific to your host and your applications
[02:16] <Adidas> Escott: So I will need to configure httpd.conf to set up my hosts. if I remember correctly. I have a few sites that I am trying to set up on this server so I will also need to set up the vhosts as well
[02:17] <Adidas> Obviously, I am not an expert with Apache, but I managed to get it to work well enough to get it to do what I wanted. I am trying to mirror that setup here
[02:20] <holstein> Adidas: i havent needed to do that, but i know you can, and i can refer you to someone if needed
[02:23] <Adidas> Holstein: no worries. I am pretty sure I know what I need to do, but I don't want to get that point until I have a test site up and running. I also need to set up a mysql db, but I think I am going to call it a night for tonight. Thanks for all of the help. I wish I discovered IRC before. It would have saved me many headaches
[02:23] <Adidas> Escott: Thank you as well!
[02:23] <holstein> Adidas: GN :)
[02:46] <jimmie> Alright Raywin
[02:47] <raywin> hi jimmie, thx for the suggestion
[02:47] <raywin> I just installed natty on two different boxes, and I am trying to check wifi performance.
[02:48] <raywin> I waas using iperf, but I seem to be getting remarkably low bandwidth.. <3Mbps internally...
[02:49] <holstein> on both machines?
[02:49] <holstein> raywin: ^
[02:50] <raywin> no, only one box has wifi
[02:50] <holstein> ok... and the wifi perfomance doesnt seem right?
[02:50] <raywin> the 2nd just ethernet, and I am using the ethernet box as the iperf server
[02:50] <raywin> correct, it seems remarkably low
[02:51] <raywin> I was going to set up some streaming video from a thrid qnap nas... but at <3Mbps
[02:51] <raywin> it's just going to be ugly.
[02:51] <holstein> try it
[02:51] <raywin> okay, brb :-)
[02:51] <holstein> raywin: make sure you are up to date with package updates too
[02:52] <holstein> all you can do is trouble shoot the wifi card.. try and make sure the hardware is good, and maybe try alternate drivers
[02:55] <raywin> holstein, thx... it looks like I jumped the gun, it won't even connect to the nas, so I have a bigger bear to shoot at this point!
[02:57] <raywin> okay, looks like the error messages were bogus... but the network performance is still kind of jittery...
[02:58] <raywin> basically the wifi drivers appear to work, but they are suboptimal compared to running under windows. what would you suggest as far as inestigating how to tune up performance... what's the best packet sniffer to use in linux?
[02:58] <raywin> *investigating
[02:59] <holstein> i would just look for a different driver to try
[02:59] <holstein> is this broadcom?
[02:59] <holstein> raywin: could be a kernel regression too
[03:00] <holstein> i hear about wireshark a lot, but i dont use it
[03:00] <raywin> checking rf chipset...
[03:02] <raywin> I believe it is a atheros 5416 based pci wifi card, the OEM is tplink
[03:02] <holstein> raywin: see what you see in lspci
[03:03] <holstein> just to be sure*
[03:03] <raywin> it's their tl-wn851n should do optimal 300Mbps...
[03:03] <raywin> checking
[03:03] <holstein> raywin: you can try using the windows driver with ndiswrapper
[03:03] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[03:03] <raywin> definitely atheros, it's an ar922x adapter
[03:04] <holstein> raywin: paste me that line from lspci if you would, and let me look around for a bug
[03:04] <raywin> done... downloading
[03:04] <raywin> it's on a different computer, but I'll copy it verbatim...
[03:05] <jimmie> 1.84467441 × 10^19 combinations
[03:05] <jimmie> Whoops
[03:05] <raywin> 0d:02.0 Nework controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR922x Wireless Netowrk Adapter (rev 01)
[03:06] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/788889
[03:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 788889 in linux "ath9k AR922X loses connection " [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:07] <benonsoftware> vote [--non-voiced] [--no-msg] [--notify] \"TOPIC OF VOTE\"
[03:07] <raywin> wicked, was that a bot that just replied with a bug number.
[03:08] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1632474
[03:08] <cprofitt> raywin: I am not a bot, but the bot did reply to my URL
[03:08] <holstein> is this a dupe?
[03:08] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/622265
[03:08] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 622265 in linux "ath9k AR922X loses connection" [Undecided,New]
[03:09] <raywin> ah, sorry cprofitt, and thanks for the link,
[03:09] <cprofitt> actually looks like a dupe yes,
[03:09] <cprofitt> though that report looks to ahve originated on 10.04
[03:10] <raywin> I haven't lost a connection, and it basically works (the wifi adapter)... but the throughput seems low
[03:10] <charlie-tca> no
[03:10] <charlie-tca> duplicates against linux must be exactly the same hardware, 100%. Close doesn't count, either
[03:11] <cprofitt> they are both for AR922X
[03:11] <raywin> < 3Mbps, and the connection to smb shares seems to throw error dialog boxes that I can just click through and eventually can see the share through the folder view
[03:11] <charlie-tca> what about the rest of the hardware, though? motherboard, bios, video, all count for linux bugs
[03:11] <charlie-tca> The kernel team dups them when they find a perfect match
[03:11] <cprofitt> well... then I just marked it a duplicate in error
[03:12] <cprofitt> given the breadth of hardware dupes are likely to never happen
[03:12] <charlie-tca> right, and for bugs against the kernel, every model change, every minor update in hardware requires a slightly different fix
[03:12] <cprofitt> my screw up
[03:13] <cprofitt> the more I dig in to bug triage the more I think the community has no chance in being able to help
[03:13] <cprofitt> too many rules
[03:13] <holstein> cprofitt: lol
[03:13] <cprofitt> people will just get frustrated and not bother
[03:13] <holstein> i was trying to be on the bug team for a few weeks
[03:13] <holstein> CHALLENGING
[03:13] <charlie-tca> That's why it takes so long sometimes to get these things fixed. A fix only works for some hardware, then they have to re-write code to fix it for other hardware
[03:13] <holstein> not my bag for usre
[03:13] <holstein> sure*
[03:13] <cprofitt> holstein: I am on the bug team -- and I had no idea about what charlie-tca just told me
[03:14] <charlie-tca> Kernel and video bugs are very special when trying to triage them
[03:14] <raywin> <- is not on any team and is a little blown away by whatever you guys are talking about :P
[03:15] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: seems like the community should have a way of grouping these reports none the less
[03:15] <cprofitt> and the professionals should be able to sort that out
[03:15] <charlie-tca> The professionals have to undup them when we do that.
[03:15] <cprofitt> great
[03:15] <cprofitt> is there a way to 'group' them with out them being 'duplicates'
[03:15] <charlie-tca> I work with the kernel team a lot on bugs
[03:16] <cprofitt> so that the community can better determine which one matches their issue?
[03:16] <charlie-tca> grouped by tag, you can tag it to the specific hardware, or search on the hardware.
[03:16] <cprofitt> where do I put a tag?
[03:16] <holstein> charlie-tca: Jfo lives near me :)
[03:16] <charlie-tca> The problem is if the bug is fixed for the card, but a different version of the part number, the fix may not work
[03:17] <charlie-tca> put tags at the bottom of the description, there is a separate box for them
[03:17] <cprofitt> ok
[03:17] <cprofitt> I see that now
[03:17] <raywin> @holstein, the ndis wrapper package installed... what is the difference between using the ndis wrapper and how it installed already *automagically*?
[03:17] <charlie-tca> Also, most bugs against the kernel will have the part in the description, to help search for specific hardware
[03:18] <cprofitt> yep...
[03:18] <cprofitt> is there any instructions in the bug-control docs that specify this level of detail for kernel bugs
[03:18] <holstein> raywin: you can use the potentially better supported windows driver with ndiswrapper
[03:18] <cprofitt> it appears I have missed it
[03:19] <charlie-tca> There are specifics just for the kernel.
[03:19] <raywin> ah, ic, so it used the windows driver with a linux ndis abstraction layer..
[03:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Marking%20duplicate
[03:20] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage
[03:20] <raywin> okay, so I think I'll need to read up on this before a wreck my newly installed beautiful ubunutu box
[03:20] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: looks like the first link I gave needs to be improved
[03:20] <raywin> holstein, can you point me to the best documentation that'll help be switch to the windows driver, and back out in case I screw it up royally?
[03:21] <raywin> be=me
[03:21] <holstein> raywin: maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[03:21] <charlie-tca> I see it
[03:21] <cprofitt> I do see the part under triage levels in the kernel section
[03:21] <cprofitt> that makes sense...
[03:21] <charlie-tca> I will get with the kernel team to verify, and then change it
[03:21] <raywin> thanks! I googled the same thing :D
[03:22] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: thanks...
[03:22] <charlie-tca> no problem
[03:22] <cprofitt> looks like we just need to add a special note about kernel and video hardware
[03:22] <cprofitt> in the marking duplicate section
[03:22] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying to help with those bugs. It can be extremely frustrating
[03:22]  * cprofitt nods
[03:22] <raywin> *this* is exactly what I needed, thanks holstein!!!
[03:22] <cprofitt> I wish we could have LP pop-up messages about these caveats
[03:23] <charlie-tca> me too
[03:23] <charlie-tca> I have unduped more kernel bugs than I can count
[03:23] <cprofitt> kernel bugs have to be very difficult with the level of hardware difference in the non-Mac world
[03:23] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:23] <cprofitt> well... mine needs to be unduped -- the original report does not contain the information necessary to declare a dupe
[03:24] <charlie-tca> That's what makes them so hard to get fixed. One person will report the bug fixed, the next person gets no fix.
[03:24] <charlie-tca> and it is because the version number bumped. Sometimes it is the difference between things like ver 3.04 and 3.03
[03:24] <cprofitt> yep
[03:25] <Core_UK> What is this channel for? Is beginners an ubuntu team for example?
[03:25] <cprofitt> This is where the Beginners team offers help
[03:25] <cprofitt> the #ubuntu-beginners-team is for the team discussion
[03:26] <Core_UK> ah ok, thanks you cprofitt
[03:27] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: taken care orf
[03:27] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: taken care of, even
[03:27] <cprofitt> thanks charlie-tca
[03:27] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[03:27] <cprofitt> Core_UK: no problem
[03:27] <cprofitt> any other questions do not hesitate to ask
[03:27] <charlie-tca> I'm going hide again
[03:28] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: lol
[03:30] <Core_UK> Anyone have experience of AVM and dual monitors?
[03:30] <cprofitt> AVM?
[03:31] <Core_UK> AWN sorry
[03:31] <cprofitt> ah... no, I have not used that dock and dual monitors
[04:04] <Core_UK> where is the best place for AWN support if #AWN is dead? :)
[04:52] <braiam> Core_UK: #AWN-resurrection ??
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[15:54] <jimmie> Hey guys
[15:56] <julie101010> hi jimmie
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[17:08] <coalwater> who's around here
[17:09] <coalwater> i need some help with a server 500 error, so any body around?
[17:10] <rashthedude> Hello
[17:12] <rashthedude> i'm new to ubuntu in general
[17:13] <rashthedude> so after installing Ubuntu 10.04 recently, i couldnt help but think it's awfully slow
[17:13] <head_victim> rashthedude: depends on what sort of hardware you have
[17:14] <rashthedude> good point
[17:14] <head_victim> coalwater: where is the error ?
[17:14] <rashthedude> my computer is kinda dated,
[17:14] <rashthedude> 2.9 ghz, 512(sd ram)
[17:14] <head_victim> rashthedude: what was your previous operating system?
[17:14] <rashthedude> i ran windows xp on it previously
[17:14] <head_victim> Well comparing an operating system from 2001 to one from 2010 is hardly fair
[17:15] <rashthedude> but i would have assumed windows would be more memory hungry than any linux distro, but ubuntu has a full featured set of software these days i guess
[17:16] <coalwater> head_victim, http://www.ahlynews.com/new/ads_api/?css=1
[17:16] <head_victim> Well it depends, is it the CPU, the HDD , the RAM or the video card slowing it down :)
[17:16] <head_victim> coalwater: I'll have a look but I make no promises I'm useful at all :P
[17:16] <coalwater> see, the page loads fine, but if you check with firebug, ull see it does a 500 error
[17:17] <head_victim> Worked fine for me
[17:17] <coalwater> that's what i said
[17:17] <coalwater> but it throws a 500 error
[17:17] <coalwater> try to wget that link
[17:17] <coalwater> there was a caching cron set, it wgets the link
[17:18] <head_victim> Weird
[17:18] <coalwater> it drove me crazy
[17:18] <coalwater> but fortunately i found out that curl doesn't do the same
[17:18] <coalwater> so i changed it to a curl instead of wget
[17:18] <coalwater> i hate it when stupid stuff like that happen at work
[17:19] <coalwater> i just wasted like an hour fixing something that was already working, because nautilus decided to move the files away instead of copy , sigh
[17:19] <coalwater> o well
[17:19] <holstein> i can wget http://www.ahlynews.com/new/ads_api/1/images/logo.png
[17:20] <holstein> rashthedude: i would start with the graphics card... those are usually the trickiest
[17:20] <coalwater> yea, the problem is either some permission or an htaccess
[17:21] <coalwater> but np, it's working now, though i dont like how i fixed it but i'll have to let it go lol
[17:24] <rashthedude> i have an onboard intel graphic card
[17:24] <rashthedude> is it known to have conflicts and issues with ubuntu?
[17:25] <head_victim> rashthedude: not really, it just won't show allt he "pretty" stuff nicely
[17:25] <rashthedude> i can live with that, but it's the laggyness and slowness that annoys me to death
[17:26] <head_victim> Maybe try a lighter version? Xubuntu or Lubuntu? I use Lubuntu on all my machines that are P4 era
[17:27] <rashthedude> whats the difference between xubuntu and lubuntu?
[17:27] <rashthedude> i think google can answer that for me
[17:28] <head_victim> Xubuntu uses Xfce and Lubuntu uses LXDE as display managers instead of Gnome
[17:28] <rashthedude> nice
[17:29] <head_victim> Different feature set but then again they're aimed at different markets
[17:29] <head_victim> The idea is have a play around and see what works best for you :)
[17:29] <head_victim> If you can boot off USB then you can try them all out pretty easily
[17:32] <charlie-tca> !xubuntu
[17:32] <ubot2> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels
[17:32] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[17:32] <ubot2> lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support.
[17:33] <rashthedude> worth a try
[18:06] <coalwater> is there a way to login a gui session from an ssh connection, i had to restart my home pc and now the remote desktop doesn't wanna start, i think because the server needs the user to login, but the ssh is a daemon so it works
[18:07] <escott> coalwater, ssh -X and the windows will get piped back. its not exactly a full session but individual apps can come back
[18:07] <escott> coalwater, if you need a full session with panels and the like there are ways to do that with xnest and such
[18:08] <coalwater> but i cant do it through ssh can i
[18:08] <coalwater> i just want to log my user on to get the start up apps running
[18:08] <escott> coalwater, you could ssh -X and fire up an xnest with gnome-session nested inside it
[18:09] <coalwater> what's xnest
[18:10] <coalwater> ok nvm
[18:10] <coalwater> found a page about it
[18:10] <escott> coalwater, it creates a software x server on the server, the gnome-session and apps draw to that software server which sends it back through X to your server where it gets drawn in a single window
[18:11] <escott> coalwater, but nothing prevents you from just doing ssh -X and then gnome-panel &
[18:11] <coalwater> what's the name of the default vnc server on ubuntu
[18:11] <coalwater> as a process , or executable
[18:14] <escott> coalwater, if you are going unix to unix vnc is a bit overkill
[18:14] <escott> !vnc | coalwater
[18:14] <ubot2> coalwater: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[18:15] <coalwater> i already use it, i dunno what's bad about it
[18:15] <escott> coalwater, if you want session resume support (if you ssh session is likely to drop) you can accomplish that without vnc by using things similar to xnest that just keep running in the background
[18:16] <escott> coalwater, if you have it installed and configured and want to use it, there is nothing wrong with using it
[18:16] <escott> coalwater, just be sure to use ssh to encrypt the vnc traffic
[18:16] <coalwater> ok
[18:17] <head_victim> I generally only use VNC over secured lans. I find it too painful to use over the net here in Australia. Our internet is too slow :/
[18:17] <coalwater> mine isn't that fast either, i use 8 bit colors to make it better
[18:18] <coalwater> it's useable
[18:18] <coalwater> useful when u want to do something that is a pain on ssh
[18:22] <coalwater> ok, i'm heading home, see you guys later
[18:22] <head_victim> CHeerio
[19:52] <Ambrose83> does anybody have experience with connecting to the LEGO mindstorm NXT with BricxCC program? I am having trouble communicating with it via the USB
[19:52] <stlsaint> sorry nope
[19:59] <bioterror> :D
[19:59] <bioterror> i stopped playing with legos around age of 7
[19:59] <stlsaint> hehe
[20:01] <Ambrose83> I take it you don't have children
[20:01] <bioterror> 4 and 1.5 years
[20:06] <stlsaint> lol way to go
[20:07] <bioterror> hoho
[20:07] <bioterror> my kids just plays with rubiks cubes
[20:08] <bioterror> younger has 3x3x3 and older 7x7x7 :D
[20:09] <stlsaint> lol
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